LOIS-BUJOLD Digest 4543

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: Barrayaran Seafarers
	by "Padget, Scott R" <Scott.Padget-+AT+-SW.Boeing.com>
  2) Re: OT: Paleontology
	by "Padget, Scott R" <Scott.Padget-+AT+-SW.Boeing.com>
  3) Re: Tuckerization
	by "Padget, Scott R" <Scott.Padget-+AT+-SW.Boeing.com>
  4) Re: New Book, Spoiler [spec]
	by "deb stans -+AT+- canada.com" <dastansbury-+AT+-earthlink.net>
  5) Re: Tuckerization
	by "Dan Tilque" <dtilque-+AT+-nwlink.com>
  6) Re: Paulas Barrayar map
	by "Dan Tilque" <dtilque-+AT+-nwlink.com>
  7) A somewhat different map
	by "Dan Tilque" <dtilque-+AT+-nwlink.com>
  8) Re: Barrayaran Seafarers
	by "Jim Parish" <jparish-+AT+-siue.edu>
  9) Re: Tuckerization
	by "Pam Gotcher" <pgotcher-+AT+-home.com>
 10) Re: Darth Vader is Luke's Father (was: Re: So SPOILER sets
	by Howard Brazee <howard-+AT+-brazee.net>
 11) Re: Paulas Barrayar map
	by Howard Brazee <howard-+AT+-brazee.net>
 12) Re: Count Vormuir
	by POUNCER <altpouncer-+AT+-yahoo.com>
 13) Re: Iain M. Banks OT:
	by Kevin Kennedy <kevin-+AT+-ind.cioe.com>
 14) M2K: pubdate? and spaced spoiler
	by Ken Irwin <kirwin-+AT+-wittenberg.edu>
 15) Re: Barrayaran Seafarers
	by POUNCER <altpouncer-+AT+-yahoo.com>
 16) Re: Darth Vader is Luke's Father (was: Re: So SPOILER sets
	by Louann Miller <louann_m-+AT+-yahoo.com>
 17) Re: Count Vormuir
	by "Howard Brazee" <howard-+AT+-brazee.net>
 18) Re: Barrayaran Seafarers
	by echelbar-+AT+-execpc.com
 19) Re: Darth Vader is Luke's Father (was: Re: So SPOILER sets SPOILER
	by Patricia Mathews <mathews-+AT+-unm.edu>
 20) Re: Lois' reading - quotes and comments (spoilers)
	by shofmann-+AT+-mindspring.com (Scott Hofmann)
 21) Re: Barrayaran Seafarers
	by POUNCER <altpouncer-+AT+-yahoo.com>
 22) Sorry!
	by Patricia Mathews <mathews-+AT+-unm.edu>

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Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 01:29:26 -0500 
From: "Padget, Scott R" <Scott.Padget-+AT+-SW.Boeing.com>
To: "'Bujold Mailing List'" <lois-bujold-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Barrayaran Seafarers
Message-ID: <B08DF4D9C2673845A504D4873E758596052BFD72-+AT+-XCH-SE-20.tx.boeing.com>

Jim Parish says:
> Pouncer has proposed monstrous critters - megasharks and
> krakens - as major threats to seafarers, which would indeed
> be a problem; but the Pilot has objected, at least to the
> megasharks.

Nope, sorry.  Correction:  I heartily agree with the sharks and squids.
Really big endoskeletal critters (sharks) I have no problem with.  Ditto
really big soft-bodied critters (squids--though in fact squids are sort of
intermediate between soft-bodied and endoskeletal, IIUC).

Pouncer also suggested island-sized trilobites.  Which is what I objected
to.  Really *REALLY* big exoskeletal critters.  Which I just can't justify
anatomically even in an aquatic environment.

Jim then goes on to a well-reasoned hypothesis, to wit, that there simply
weren't enough tall straight-grained trees to build large sailing vessels
from.

But don't the backcountry Dendarii hillfolk build log houses?  This is an
architectural style that can only be supported by an abundance of wood.

Though granted, one wants rather smaller trees for log houses than for a
mainmast.  So there could be an abundance of moderate-sized trees but a
shortage of really big ones.

This shows promise....

Pilot Padget--though the squid *must* still exist, or it wouldn't be on
Pouncer's mantelpiece

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Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 01:38:04 -0500 
From: "Padget, Scott R" <Scott.Padget-+AT+-SW.Boeing.com>
To: "'Bujold Mailing List'" <lois-bujold-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: OT: Paleontology
Message-ID: <B08DF4D9C2673845A504D4873E758596052BFD73-+AT+-XCH-SE-20.tx.boeing.com>

Marna (who I note is staying up *WAY* too late <scolding finger waggle>) is
all excited about Pouncer's squid:
> Pouncer has a squid?  Like, a personal squid? 
> Kewl!

Sure.  Haven't you been introduced to Pouncer's squid?  That wasn't before
your time, was it?  

Actually, to be precise, I think it's only 10 or 15 meters of the squid's
tentacle.  It's mounted on the wall over the mantelpiece in his Prop Box.

Of course, I may be misremembering details.  Pouncer?

Pilot Padget--eyeing the Archie McFee website with evil plans for a
Christmas gift for Marna

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Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 01:55:08 -0500 
From: "Padget, Scott R" <Scott.Padget-+AT+-SW.Boeing.com>
To: "'Bujold Mailing List'" <lois-bujold-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Tuckerization
Message-ID: <B08DF4D9C2673845A504D4873E758596052BFD74-+AT+-XCH-SE-20.tx.boeing.com>

I don't have that all-important "Vor" in front of my name (hey, I'm not even
Barrayaran) but I still claim the ability to pull rank.  To the best of my
knowledge, I was Tuckerized earlier than anyone else on the list.  

I was only a cameo, but I got to help rescue Taura and Nicol, *and* pilot a
jumpship.  And the Admiral thinks highly of me.  And I'm pretty sure I got
all that before the list even existed.

Gloat, gloat, gloat.... 

Pilot Padget--and I'm accusing *Marna* of staying up too late....

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Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 00:24:17 -0700
From: "deb stans -+AT+- canada.com" <dastansbury-+AT+-earthlink.net>
To: lois-bujold-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: New Book, Spoiler [spec]
Message-ID: <3B9724A1.B92E51B5-+AT+-earthlink.net>

> H
> o
> w
>
> m
> u
> c
> h
>
> s
> p
> a
> c
> e
>
> w
> o
> u
> l
> d
>
> a
>
> s
> p
> o
> i
> l
> e
> r
>
> s
> p
> o
> i
> l
>
> James Burbidge wrote:
>
> > I present a different, but equally problematic, scenario... Miles' and
> > Ekaterin's children grow up contemporaneously with Gregor and Laisa's.
> > And Miles' daughter decides to marry Gregor's son (or it's
> > sort-of-decided for them if they're just good friends).

Marna Nightingale wrote:

> Um.  Except Gregor has This Thing about too many of Mad Yuri's genes, and
> indeed, about close Vor inbreeding in general. His Thing hasn't gotten hip to
> the tech yet, admittedly, and Laisa might work on him about that... but I have
> trouble envisioning him encouraging such a match.

No, if you want worst possible...Gregor and Laisa's son falls for an
off-worlder...Bel and Nicol's child (note I did not say daughter there...)  Now
*that* would freak out a few folks back home!

Debra Stansbury

> i
> f
>
> a
> s
> p
> o
> i
> l
> e
> r
>
> c
> o
> u
> l
> d
>
> s
> p
> o
> i
> l
>
> s
> p
> a
> c
> e
> ?


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Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 00:51:26 -0700
From: "Dan Tilque" <dtilque-+AT+-nwlink.com>
To: <lois-bujold-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Tuckerization
Message-ID: <00c201c136a8$bd4f9700$0d8ecacf-+AT+-com>

From: "Nora Bombay" <nbombay-+AT+-mindspring.com>
>
> >Brad wrote:
> >
> >You must have missed the part about the Assistant Hydroponics
> >Manager on Graf Station, Nora Twitchell...
>
> If there is even a hint that is true, I will be jumping up and
> down like mad.
>
> And then sending something seriously choclatey to LMB.
>
> Elizabeth, needing confirmation. And to go shopping.

Sorry to dash your hopes, but quaddies don't have last names.

Marna Nightingale writes:
>VorNightingale is impossible. I don't know whether to be
>relieved or...relieved.

But Vormarna is a possibility...

I am wondering about one other possible Tuckerization. In Mirror
Dance, we have this bit of text:

MD p255(pb): "[Count Vortienne's] son is old enough to hold down his
desk now," said the Count. "To the great relief of the rest of us.
The last time we had to have a unanimous vote, the Chamber's
Sergeant-at-Arms had to go collect him bodily from his Residence,
out of the most extraordinary scene of... well, he finds some unique
uses for his personal guard."
   "Unique qualifications, too, I understand." There was a grin in
Countess Cordelia's voice.

Lois is teasing us here. It's unlikely she had anything specific in
mind for the odd hobby of Count Vortienne. Yes, we're meant to
assume it's some strange sexual fetish, but for all we're actually
told, Vortienne and his Armsmen could be acting out Alice in
Wonderland or singing The Pirates of Penzance.

Anyway, I was wondering if Vortienne might be some kind of
Tuckerization. Anyone have an idea?

--
Dan Tilque



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Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 01:39:13 -0700
From: "Dan Tilque" <dtilque-+AT+-nwlink.com>
To: <lois-bujold-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Paulas Barrayar map
Message-ID: <00de01c136af$68d5bfe0$0d8ecacf-+AT+-com>

From: "Paula S. Sanch" <tygerbryght-+AT+-cleartouch.com>
>
>  In fact, I am toying
> with the notion of a very respectably sized moon
> which is struck by a meteorite large enough to
> fragment it, but the meteorite's path prior to
> impact coming from behind, *inside* the orbit
> of the moon.  I suspect that this idea will set off
> a great deal more excited discussion.  Indeed,
> I hope for it.  Remember, I do not have the math
> to figure this out.  I am positing a moon composed
> largely - I might even say predominantly - of
> lightweight composites.  Perhaps even a significant
> amount of water? :)

I assume you mean a moon of Barrayar being hit by a rock large
enough to break it apart. The debris from moons of other planets
would not come anywhere close to Barrayar in sufficient quantity to
make a difference.

There's a couple problems with this idea. Mainly, most of the moon
would stay in its orbit and make a ring around Barrayar. No such
ring has ever been mentioned and it's the kind of thing one would
expect to be noticed and commented on.

As far as a high percentage of volatiles in said moon. Sorry. That
works for moons in the outer system where temperatures are low
enough that it's all frozen. In the inner system, only planets that
have enough gravity to hold onto an atmosphere have plentiful
volatiles like water. And even those planets are primarily rock.

--
Dan Tilque



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Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 02:08:40 -0700
From: "Dan Tilque" <dtilque-+AT+-nwlink.com>
To: <lois-bujold-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: A somewhat different map
Message-ID: <010401c136b3$86267e00$0d8ecacf-+AT+-com>

I've joined the ranks of those daring enough to make a map of
Barrayar. Foolish of me, I'm sure, but there were things about
Paula's and Bo's maps I didn't like.

My map is different than theirs in that I only did a small part of
Barrayar: the part including Vorkosigan's District and Vorbarr
Sultana. There's also the textev that I based the map on. The latest
version can be found at this url:

http://www.nwlink.com/~dtilque/Bujold/DTmap.html

Oh, for those who have my Counts of Barrayar page bookmarked, it's
now moved to:

http://www.nwlink.com/~dtilque/Bujold/vorcount.html

Feedback about my map is welcome.

--
Dan Tilque



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Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 04:16:40 -0500
From: "Jim Parish" <jparish-+AT+-siue.edu>
To: <lois-bujold-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Barrayaran Seafarers
Message-ID: <001501c136b5$153d3d80$e635a392-+AT+-siue.edu>

Scott R. Padget corrects me:
> I heartily agree with the sharks and squids.
> <snip>
> Pouncer also suggested island-sized trilobites.  Which is what I
> objected to.  Really *REALLY* big exoskeletal critters.  Which
> I just can't justify anatomically even in an aquatic environment.

Right. I misread the scope of your objection

<snip>
> But don't the backcountry Dendarii hillfolk build log houses?  This
> is an architectural style that can only be supported by an abundance
> of wood.
>
> Though granted, one wants rather smaller trees for log houses than
> for a mainmast.  So there could be an abundance of moderate-sized
> trees but a shortage of really big ones.

More than that: I'm picturing the hillfolk and other peasants as using
the trees as soon as they reach a size that makes them useful for
buildings, well before they get to mainmast size. [Also, the quality
of wood needed for housing might well be lower.]
Suddenly I'm picturing Count VorNavigator's armsmen zealously guarding
his tree preserve against poachers...

Jim Parish




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Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 05:35:12 -0500
From: "Pam Gotcher" <pgotcher-+AT+-home.com>
To: "Lois-Bujold-+AT+-Herald.Co.Uk" <lois-bujold-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Tuckerization
Message-ID: <009101c136bf$9c467080$8c52b518-+AT+-ftwal1.fl.home.com>

I think I've just bought my 10th copy of Cordelia's Honor for just
this reason.  Hmmm, let's see. The last copy went to the woman at the
school where I work, who mentioned in passing that she liked character
driven fiction. The copy before went to a catholic priest, who was a
co-student in a grad developmental class.  If they show back up,
that's ok. Young Miles goes out to those who show a preference for
Orsen Scott Card <G>.

I've got reverse tuckerization. My cats are named Cordelia and Ivan
<G>.
Pam



Elizabeth, book pimping. I just handed my copy of Cordelia's Honor out
to
one of the girls in my office. I'm desperately waiting for the "Can I
have
more" call. I  do my rereading of the seperate copies, but Cordelia's
Honor, and the Miles two-fer, the one with Apprentice and Vor Game
make
terrific loaners, as you get them with a double header. And if the
sacred
origionals don't get returned, well, no big deal.



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Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 05:59:23 -0600
From: Howard Brazee <howard-+AT+-brazee.net>
To: lois-bujold-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Darth Vader is Luke's Father (was: Re: So SPOILER sets
Message-ID: <3B97651B.7F6E3B01-+AT+-brazee.net>

"Peter H. Granzeau" wrote:

> >Could you all puh-LEEEEZ excerise some friggin' restraint? If y'all post
> >spoilers in the damn TITLES the only way I'll be able to enjoy the next
> >book is by unsubscribing from the list.

I haven't seen anything to stop anybody from enjoying the novel when it comes
out.


> Spoiler space is only required in the first three months a new book is out.

Then there's no problem - we will have to start putting in spoilers next
Spring.


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Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 06:04:17 -0600
From: Howard Brazee <howard-+AT+-brazee.net>
To: lois-bujold-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Paulas Barrayar map
Message-ID: <3B976641.70137A29-+AT+-brazee.net>



"Paula S. Sanch" wrote:

> Howard Brazee wrote:
>
> >Paula S. Sanch wrote:
>
> >> The only one who can settle this argument is Lois.
> >> However, if you took a poll, I suspect that most of
> >> the respondents would assume what people in the
> >> contiguous 48 states do.
>
> >Most SF planets tend to be uniform, with less cultural diversity than
> >Chicago, and one climate.  As readers we expect to see a jungle planet, a
> >desert planet, a resort planet, an ice planet, and an ocean planet.
>
> My comment was in response to a depiction (which
> you snipped) of a resort beach area as a warm place.
> I think that most people in most parts of the U.S.
> would, if asked to describe a resort beach area, would
> include 'lots of warm/hot weather' in it, if only because
> our quintessential beaches are places in Florida or
> California.

And someone responded that the Caspian sea is a resort beach area.


>
> >That said - I picture Barrayar to be a lot like my image of Russia is.  I
> >have never pictured it being like anywhere I have lived.
>
> The north part of North continent might well be like
> that.  Except, you haven't specified *what part* of
> Russia - it's a huge place, even now.  What part of
> Russia did you have in mind? :)
>
> Paula S

Barrayar is larger than Russia.


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Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 05:09:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: POUNCER <altpouncer-+AT+-yahoo.com>
To: lois-bujold-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Count Vormuir
Message-ID: <20010906120957.12584.qmail-+AT+-web11406.mail.yahoo.com>

James Mary Burbidge <jamesandmary.burbidge-+AT+-sympatico.ca>
wrote:
> I might note that, despite this list's penchant for
> Barrayaranizing
> names en masse by providing a Vor- prefix, there must be
> many more
> Barrayaran names _without_ Vor than with it.

Letting us see that tiny little streak of pedantry, James?

;-)

It's a good point, actually.  It seems to me, too,
that in general every name/family line honored with
a VOR should also be expected to have some collateral
line _not_ so honored.  Varadar Tau plucks up clever
"Slick Willy" Muir, makes him one of his "accountants".
Shortly certain military duties become necessary,
and Slick and the cronies he himself has chosen are
all part of the Vormuir shakedown...  er, I mean,
tax collection district.  Meanwhile, little-brother-and-
musician Roger Muir goes on to have a very nice boring 
life and sires his own line of Muir-ish descendants. 

So, we have a very few of THE Vorpatrils.

We have a few minor Vorpatrils.

We have quite a few "old" Patrils, as well as Patrels,
Patrells, Petrells, Pattrillas, etc...

And, we may have some "new" Patrils, who were stripped
of their Vor honors for various dishonorable choices
made during, say, the Ceta Occupation.














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Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 07:40:53 -0500
From: Kevin Kennedy <kevin-+AT+-ind.cioe.com>
To: lois-bujold-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Iain M. Banks OT:
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010906073834.0224b0d0-+AT+-mail.winstarmail.com>

At 05:26 AM 9/6/01 +0100, you wrote:
>"James M. BRYANT, G4CLF" <jbryant-+AT+-iee.org> wrote:
>
> > Martin Gill asks if Iain M. Banks is worth reading.
>
> > Yes!
>
>Rosie M. Banks, OTOH. . . .
>
>                                                 Dan, ad nauseam
>                                                 g, d & r

I dunno. Even Jeeves goes on holiday now and again. He may enjoy a little 
light reading while at the beach. You never know.


Kevin K. So Many Books, So Little Time


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Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 09:06:58 -0400
From: Ken Irwin <kirwin-+AT+-wittenberg.edu>
To: lois-bujold-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: M2K: pubdate? and spaced spoiler
Message-ID: <3B950CA8-+AT+-mail.wittenberg.edu>

Hey folks,

I'm sure this has been covered, but I missed it in my torrent of e-mail 
trouble: do we have a tentative publication date for M2K? or perhaps a 
tentative Baen-chapter-posting-date?

want... miles...

<SPOILERSPACE>
and 
in
a 
spoiler
type
question
about
the
new 
book
(date
as 
yet
unknown),
i
thought
i
would
mention
that...



when I saw the phrase "Graf station", I thought not of quaddies, but of Battle 
School. (One of the commanders of the Battle School in "Ender's Game" was a 
Colonel Graf. Whooooeee... that'd've been a different story altogether. Still 
in null gee i suppose.

and there are certain, ahem, small comparisons that might be drawn between 
Miles and Bean: genius, midget, gets by on brains not brawn, freak (oh there 
were more avenues of comparison this morning while waking up...)


...
here
ends
ye
old
spoiler
space,
whereafter
there
remains
not
much
of
interest
to
read 
at all.
so 
read
your 
other 
mail.
</SPOILERSPACE>

Ken


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Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 06:09:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: POUNCER <altpouncer-+AT+-yahoo.com>
To: lois-bujold-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Barrayaran Seafarers
Message-ID: <20010906130920.5355.qmail-+AT+-web11404.mail.yahoo.com>

Pilot Padget <Scott.Padget-+AT+-SW.Boeing.com> wrote:
> Nope, sorry.  Correction:  I heartily agree with the
> sharks and squids.

Thanks...
 
> Pouncer also suggested island-sized trilobites.  Which is
> what I objected  to.  Really *REALLY* big exoskeletal 
> critters.  Which I  just can't justify
> anatomically even in an aquatic environment.

Fine, fine fine.  Have it your way.

Now, CORAL, on the other hand... Or "bee hives" and
termite colonies... Sargasso-style bladder clusters...

I see no reason we can't have "living islands" if 
the plot depends upon it.  Some that are more permanent,
some that are more mobile, some that may be
submersible.  Here, I submit to the restriction on
the size of any one individual exoskeletal alien.
I counter-invoke co-operative and symbiotic examples 
from Earth to posit trilobite colonies that, jointly,
do  --whatever Paula wants.  You need more islands
and are running out of tectonics, dear lady?  Well,
the Gaea hypothesis suggests life-forms modify the
planet to suit themselves... maybe superxeno"coral"
hardshell reefs grow exactly where ever they'd needed
to moderate extremes of temperature. 

 
> Jim then goes on to a well-reasoned hypothesis, to wit,
> that there simply weren't enough tall straight-grained
>trees to build large  sailing vessels
> from.
> 
> But don't the backcountry Dendarii hillfolk build log
> houses?

So?  They have to terraform the backcountry, first. So.
They cutdown the stubby/knobby Barrayaran "trees", use
the logs to make cabins, burn whatever's left, and
plant sugar maples, pecans, and chestnuts.

> So there could be an abundance of  moderate-sized trees 
> but a  shortage of really big ones.

Sequoia just didn't quite adapt to Barrayar...




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Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 08:19:57 -0500
From: Louann Miller <louann_m-+AT+-yahoo.com>
To: lois-bujold-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Darth Vader is Luke's Father (was: Re: So SPOILER sets
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010906081648.009e74e0-+AT+-pop.mail.yahoo.com>

At 01:17 PM 09/06/2001 +0100, you wrote:
>"Peter H. Granzeau" wrote:
>
> > >Could you all puh-LEEEEZ excerise some friggin' restraint? If y'all post
> > >spoilers in the damn TITLES the only way I'll be able to enjoy the next
> > >book is by unsubscribing from the list.
>
>I haven't seen anything to stop anybody from enjoying the novel when it comes
>out.

Different people enjoy books different ways. Some people (I'm one) enjoy 
getting the bits and pieces as they come in. Others want to come into the 
experience of a first read absolutely cold and only do the 
reading-with-foreknowledge on subsequent reads. I think it's reasonable to 
accommodate those people too.

Louann, who still maintains that T2 would have been more fun without all 
the "Arnold is the good guy" pre-media buzz. There was a great Unreliable 
Narrator riff going in the first few scenes before they messed it up.



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Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 13:20:15 GMT
From: "Howard Brazee" <howard-+AT+-brazee.net>
To: <lois-bujold-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Count Vormuir
Message-ID: <200109061318.GAA01149-+AT+-emerald.he.net>

Tuckerization doesn't have to use one's last name.

Vorlomacbuj
Vormastermac
Vorlois

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Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 08:34:11 -0500 (CDT)
From: echelbar-+AT+-execpc.com
To: lois-bujold-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Barrayaran Seafarers
Message-ID: <200109061334.IAA83468-+AT+-nm0.nwbl.wi.voyager.net>

Pouncer said:
> Now, CORAL, on the other hand... Or "bee hives" and
> termite colonies... Sargasso-style bladder clusters...

Hey!  If you're gonna drag your-and-mine-and-Doug's worldbuilding
ideas from *my* waterworld into it, you could at least admit where
you're stealing it from! (No, I'm not really mad at you. Silly
Pouncer! <G>)

To clue in the rest of you:  A year or so ago I got an idea for a
Bujold fanfic, set on a water world that a Barrayaran survey ship
stumbled on while exploring "behind" Barrayar. Pouncer and Doug and I
had several weeks' worth of fun throwing ideas around on what the
ecology was like and how the colonists survived when the sub-light
ships stopped coming. (Yes, the settlement is *that* old.) I never got
around to actually writing a story about it, though.

Doug came up with the sea-going beehive-equivalents. I came up with
the "floating islands" of heavy-duty bladder-wrack. Then there were
the poddies....

It's kinda scary how well the conclusions *you* folks have come up
with match the ones *we* came up with... although my planet is much
more active volcanically than Barrayar.

Anyone who wants to see what we came up with can e-mail me OFF LIST.
I'm not going to post the sucker here because it's a *huge* file.

> Sequoia just didn't quite adapt to Barrayar...

All you'd really need are Norfolk Pines, though, Pouncer.
(Remembering our discussions of "The Tree Wars" on my world.) Assuming
they're left alone long enough to grow that tall....

Diane E
diane-+AT+-dendarii.com



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Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 08:05:22 -0600
From: Patricia Mathews <mathews-+AT+-unm.edu>
To: lois-bujold-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Darth Vader is Luke's Father (was: Re: So SPOILER sets SPOILER
Message-ID: <3331109968.999763522-+AT+-dhcp-136-0222.unm.edu>


	Excuse me - to what are you referring?

--On Thursday, September 06, 2001 2:23 AM +0100 Raymond Lee 
<ray-+AT+-madrabbit.org> wrote:

> On Wed, 2001-09-05 at 12:36, Patricia Mathews wrote:
> <snip>
>
> Could you all puh-LEEEEZ excerise some friggin' restraint? If y'all post
> spoilers in the damn TITLES the only way I'll be able to enjoy the next
> book is by unsubscribing from the list.
>
> Sheesh.
>
> Ray
> --
> Every truth has a context.
>



Pat

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Date: 06 Sep 2001 10:21:16 -0400
From: shofmann-+AT+-mindspring.com (Scott Hofmann)
To: lois-bujold-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Lois' reading - quotes and comments (spoilers)
Message-ID: <86k7zcl7s3.fsf-+AT+-cougar.kniggets.org>

>>>>> "AL" == Allyssa Lathan <storychaser-+AT+-home.com> writes:

 AL> "Joy W." <lady_isabeau13-+AT+-yahoo.com> wrote:
 >> --- Allyssa Lathan <storychaser-+AT+-home.com> wrote:
 >> > W
 >> > O
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 >> 
 >> > One of the military men (not sure which)
 >> > comments while
 >> > describing the standoff that they couldn't
 >> > threaten to blow up
 >> > the station with their own ships docked.
 >> 
 >> There is also a comment here like, "There's
 >> millions of those mutants out there!"  and Miles
 >> points out that the population of Graf Station is
 >> 50,000.  (The word "mutant" also triggers a tense
 >> momeny, of course.)

 AL> There were a lot of tense moments in that meeting, actually. When Vorpatril was describing Lieutenant Solian, he mentioned that as a Komarran member of the Imperial
 AL> Service, he "got it from both sides." Miles thinks snidely that they're all supposed to be _one_ side, now.... Clearly this is not the most enlightened bunch of
 AL> Barrayarans around. (:

I got the impression that Admiral Vorpatril's fleet was more like General
Metzov's troop than (say) Simon Illyan's. They still have a somewhat provincial
attitude, even if they're in the galaxy at large.

scott

 >> > C
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Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 07:37:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: POUNCER <altpouncer-+AT+-yahoo.com>
To: lois-bujold-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Barrayaran Seafarers
Message-ID: <20010906143709.62439.qmail-+AT+-web11402.mail.yahoo.com>

Diane Echelbar-+AT+-execpc.com wrote:
 
> Hey!  If you're gonna drag your-and-mine-and-Doug's
> worldbuilding  ideas from *my* waterworld into it, you 
> could at least  admit where  you're stealing it from! 

Now now, reveal who and how many bidders there are
and the price will go up...

I did acknowledge, yesterday, 

>We are building a nice little world here.  If 
>Lois doesn't want it, I know somebody who
>might...

But Paula is still considering the request

> may we play with it for awhile,  Pretty please?




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Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 08:43:35 -0600
From: Patricia Mathews <mathews-+AT+-unm.edu>
To: Bujold List <lois-bujold-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Sorry!
Message-ID: <3333402838.999765815-+AT+-dhcp-136-0222.unm.edu>


It wasn't a filk; it was a general comment on whether or not Barrayarans 
would see people of different physical design as mutants. I thought this 
was free for discussion since she'd already introduced these people in 
another book I do apologize for spoiling it for people. Though the reaction 
was as much as a spoiler for the terminally clueless like me, as the 
original post.

Pat

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