LOIS-BUJOLD Digest 820 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Cordelia - vegeterian by Debra Fran Baker 2) Soldiers' motives and B-12 by ndrosen-+AT+-bu.edu 3) Re: Ear plugs by Barry DeCicco 4) Re: WorldCon by Martha Bartter 5) Re: LOIS-BUJOLD digest 818 by hvalli-+AT+-mindspring.com (Heather R. Valli) 6) Re: Shakespeare (was German) quotes by Natalie 7) Re: The happy return by Elaine Walker 8) Re: Cordelia - vegeterian by Sfolse-+AT+-aol.com 9) Re:Shakespeare (was German) quotes by cc697-+AT+-cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Oppen) 10) Re: LOIS-BUJOLD digest 818 by Sfolse-+AT+-aol.com 11) Re: Castle Vorhartung by cc697-+AT+-cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Oppen) 12) Re: Soldiers' motives and B-12 by cc697-+AT+-cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Oppen) 13) Re: vegeterian OT by "Janet Monroe (CAS)" 14) Re: Ear plugs by barbc-+AT+-primenet.com (Barb) 15) Re: Shakespeare (was German) quotes by Jean Lamb 16) ObBujold/yeast (sort of OT) by mapfahler-+AT+-metronet.de 17) Re: Shakespeare (was German) quotes by Natalie G 18) I keep forgetting! by "Delia C. Bourne" 19) OT Vegetarianism by "James M. BRYANT, G4CLF" 20) Bujold prescient again :) by Sfolse-+AT+-aol.com 21) where is everybody? by Christopher Gwyn 22) Re: Sound cancelling by philmfan-+AT+-net-link.net (Steve Salaba) 23) anybody home? by Natalie G 24) No traffic? by robertaw-+AT+-halcyon.com (Robert A. Woodward) 25) Re: Ear plugs by David Samson 26) Help by Claudia 27) Hello? by Elaine Walker ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:25:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Debra Fran Baker To: lois-bujold-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Cordelia - vegeterian Message-ID: <199708181925.PAA21134-+AT+-panix.com> > > Usually only a real concern to those who choose not to eat any animal product > (vegans) or those who for one reason or another cannot eat dairy, but wish to > be vegeterian. In those cases, they have to add supplements or brewer's > yeast. > > (If you order a non-lactose meal on an airplane, they usually serve you the > vegan meal. Nice, except that United has had the SAME MEAL for four years, > now. I'm rather tired of rice pilaf with asparagus spears. Unless, as tends > to happen, the booking agent is convinced that "ovo-lacto vegeterian" is the > same as "non-lactose". I usually have to point out quite forcefully that it > will get me food smothered in cheese, something I'm trying to avoid.) Are you a vegan or are you just trying to avoid lactose? Because if you are willing to eat meat, you can ask for the kosher meal. These almost always tend to be meat, which means no dairy products at all. I think it's also possible to order a vegetarian kosher meal that would have neither meat nor dairy (although it might have fish and/or eggs.) -- One sharp peppercorn is better than a basketful of melons. -- Tractate Megillah 7A ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Debra Fran Baker dfbaker-+AT+-panix.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 16:59:55 -0400 (EDT) From: ndrosen-+AT+-bu.edu To: lois-bujold-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Soldiers' motives and B-12 Message-ID: <199708182059.QAA40082-+AT+-acs4.bu.edu> Ellen Blackburn and John Bishop were discussing soldiers' motivations: > o Soldiers are not motivated by individual glory or abstract patriotism > (in general). Most are apparently motivated by the desire not to let > their buddies down. This seems to have been mostly true in the 20th century, but I've seen a book review (sorry, I don't have references) claiming that it was not true for the American Civil War. This claim was based on letters which Civil War soldiers wrote to their families and friends; these letters, being private and unofficial, cannot be dismissed as war propaganda. Apparently, a lot of soldiers really said that they were fighting for the Union, or for State sovereignty, or for liberty, or to preserve their families from having to associate with Negroes on terms of equality. This is interesting if true. It may be, of course, that people joined the army out of idealism, but charged enemy trenches chiefly to avoid being seen as cowards who let their buddies down. I don't know. On another topic, Janet Monroe wrote: > By the way some one commented on Vegitarians getting all the nutriants > that meat eaters, this is mostly true but B-12 comes only from animal > protein. Vitamin B-12 is said to have no vegetable sources, which is true in a way, but it also has no animal sources. It is made by bacteria, which may colonize the intestines of cows and other animals, supplying B-12 that is found in their flesh and organs, may also colonize human intestines, and may be found on vegetables that are not sterilized. Certainly, some people (e.g., Buddhist monks) managed to live on vegan diets and not die of B-12 deficiency, even before synthetic B-12 pills became available. And, by the way, vitamin B-12 is not the same as protein, which definitely does have both animal and vegetable sources. Regards, Nicholas Rosen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 17:21:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Barry DeCicco To: lois-bujold-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Ear plugs Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Aug 1997, Claudia wrote: > Natalie wrote: > > > Heather wrote: > > I wonder how those translator earplugs work in BIA. Do you have the > > speaker's voice coming in one ear and a little computer-generated voice > > talking in the other, about half a second behind? > > Isn't there a technique that allows to block out any kind of sound by > adding another sound so that the combinded frequences of the two sounds > add up to a non-audible sound? (Is this an understandable sentence?) > Oh, I'm off to work. I need to think this over. Does anybody know of > this frequency-blocking technique? > It's called 'anti-noise'. A signal can be blocked by adding a signal which is precisely out of phase with it (peaks added to valleys). >From what I've heard, there are already anti-noise headsets available to block jet engine noise, for those who work around jets and prefer to have some hearing left. Also, it is rumored that the auto companies are looking into the idea, to cancel engine noise in teh exhaust system. The goal would be to eliminate the muffler. Barry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 16:30:53 From: Martha Bartter To: lois-bujold-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: WorldCon Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19970818163053.3f47a096-+AT+-academic.truman.edu> At 04:22 8/11/97 +0100, you wrote: >I'll be there. > >Adam Ek aka The Blue Wizard > Andy Hilgartner & I have our memberships & plane tickets ready. Martha Bartter Truman State University ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:44:48 -0400 (EDT) From: hvalli-+AT+-mindspring.com (Heather R. Valli) To: lois-bujold-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: LOIS-BUJOLD digest 818 Message-ID: > >> >> You can get protein from bacterial sources as well. Remember cheese and >> vogurt are created with the help of bacteria. Bacteria is not in the >animal >> kingdom. I meant B-12 here. > >One problem with using bacteria or fungi as a food source is that >consumption of too much RNA causes kidney stones or gout. > >Troy Guffey >ICQ UIN: 1978644 >AOL IM: Pax214 >"Belief changes the world. Because by believing, you change." This is going way beyond my college biology. Doesn't every living thing have RNA? [Doing without living things for food would leave us twinkies and cheeze wiz as "food sources", since these items seem to be made of some odd, possibly extra-terrestrial substances, and probably contain nothing that was ever a living creature from any of the kingdoms. :-)] Is RNA more concentrated in bacteria &/or fungi? H. Valli ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 19:13:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Natalie To: lois-bujold-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Shakespeare (was German) quotes Message-ID: Jeanne (welcome to our zoo) said: > >> >Sharon Penman wrote a book (title escapes me just now, but there aren't that >many) on the life (fictionalized) of Richard III ...she based her research on >history before Shakespeare's time (apparantly old Elizabeth and her family >had an ax to grind...and a monarchy to justify) and Richard comes out quite >differently.....not exactly sympathetic (absolute power and all that), but i >can see the relation to Miles more clearly in her eyes.... Ah, I just started THE QUEEN'S MAN by Penman (a historical mystery), and Richard III plays a role. He appears to be characterized in a less-than-flattering light. Another good book which is sympathetic toward Richard III is THE DAUGHTER OF TIME, a (sort-of) mystery by Josephine Tey. It is so well-researched that a friend of mine read it in a history class in college. After reading that one, I read a little Sir Thomas More, one of the original sources of information about Richard III and a staunch Tudor supporter. Can we say biased account? Natalie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:01:18 +0800 From: Elaine Walker To: lois-bujold-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: The happy return Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970819090244.3e170cde-+AT+-fizzy> At 11:55 AM 18/08/97 +0100, you wrote: >On Sun, 17 Aug 1997, Claudia wrote: > >> I am not surprised. Anybody on this list who does not speak German? > >Me, sorry. I took english and french at school and i can read spanish and >italian (and catalan), because all latin languages are sort of the same, >but no german. In spite of having taken a year of it high school...not really...I remember the words for ambulance, castle and pineapple as well as hello and basic directions but that's about all...My french is better and I've picked up a few words of japanese through watching anime. Elaine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:16:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Sfolse-+AT+-aol.com To: lois-bujold-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Cordelia - vegeterian Message-ID: <970818231531_-1269815650-+AT+-emout05.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 8/18/97 5:28:36 PM, you wrote: [re: airline food] >Are you a vegan or are you just trying to avoid lactose? Because if you >are willing to eat meat, you can ask for the kosher meal. These almost >always tend to be meat, which means no dairy products at all. I think >it's also possible to order a vegetarian kosher meal that would have >neither meat nor dairy (although it might have fish and/or eggs.) I'm avoiding lactose. I may have to start ordering kosher to get away from the Same Meal Syndrome -- thanks. I keep thinking about finding kosher cookbooks, too, since so many cookbooks seem to love to throw in a half-cup of cream here, a sprinkling of cheese there... (in case someone asks :) I could take Lact-Aid, but it's *expensive* and it doesn't always work perfectly, as well as requiring me to sort of "bank" lactose-containing foods for a few days (lactose builds up if you eat some without giving the rest time to get thru your system, and then causes symptoms). So I only take Lact-Aid if I'm stuck starving without any other choice, or if it's something I *really* want. Airline food ain't it. :) (Ask me about how United's non-lactose breakfast features cereal made with nonfat dry milk, which ingredient contains 58.6% PURE lactose... Arg.) --Stephanie, who really can't think of any ObBujold. :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:20:57 -0400 (EDT) From: cc697-+AT+-cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Oppen) To: lois-bujold-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re:Shakespeare (was German) quotes Message-ID: <199708190320.XAA17324-+AT+-owl.INS.CWRU.Edu> Reply to message from hvalli-+AT+-mindspring.com of Sun, 17 Aug > > >> >>ObBujold: Wouldn't this be a neato line for a play about Mad Emperor Yuri? >> Imagine a great tragic actor declaimiing it...Also, I notice that the only >>Shakespeare play that Miles is known canonically to know has a hunchbacked, >>intelligent, likable main character. Coincidence? I don't think so! >> > >I don't know how *likeable* Shakespeare's Richard III would be considered. I liked him. What this says about me, we shall leave until later. >Within his first few lines he declares that he is gonna be a villian >because he can't get into all this peaceful happy stuff going on in his >brother's kingdom. Then he kills or has killed several siblings, his young >nephews, and the husband of the woman he later marries. All of whom are portrayed, repeatedly, as KNOWING exactly what sort of a so-and-so he is, and who still endlessly fall for his plots. I mean, wooing the widow of a man you've killed yourself, while she's grieving over the coffin of her father-in-law, who you've ALSO killed---THAT is chutzpah to make the Menendez brothers look like nothing! "And still to win her? All the world to nothing?" Of course, he can't go _too_ wrong with his approach, which is basically to tell her that he did it, all right---but it was all for love of her. There's no such thing, in my experience, as a normal, heterosexual woman who's completely immune to compliments to her attractiveness. He only becomes >really sympathetic at the end of the play, where he confronts the ghosts of >his victems before his last, and fatal, battle. > His speech to his troops has a lot more going for it, IMHO, than Richmond's. Just as RIII himself is a far more interesting character. He is portrayed as a villain, but he is given motivations for his villainy, unlike, say, Iago, who basically did it just because he _could_ do it. >I could see Mile's interest in the play having to do with a mixture of >identification and repulsion. He might well have seen a lot of himself in >Richard III: deformity, lusting after the wife of another man >(Anne=Elena?), a twisty, over-active mind, and an ability to lay plots with >the best of them. Not to mention being _very_ close to the throne. If he knew the history behind it, he would also have known that Edward IV trusted his brother more than anybody, particularly after Warwick's defection and Clarence's death. "When we used to play together, Sire, what role did I ever ask for, other than Vorthalia the Loyal?" >"Richard III" is a good warning for twisty, >ambitions, overly-bright little guys to make sure their ambitions don't >carry them in the wrong direction. -- \|/ /\ \|/ |"Random action produces random political results...Why waste \/ \/ | even a rock?"--Abbie Hoffman, in _Steal This Book_. / \ | <--Hobo symbol for "Man armed at this address..." /____________\ | "Mentally undressing the Internet" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:20:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Sfolse-+AT+-aol.com To: lois-bujold-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: LOIS-BUJOLD digest 818 Message-ID: <970818231900_-1370310238-+AT+-emout17.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 8/18/97 10:14:41 PM, you wrote: >Doing without living things for food would leave us twinkies and cheeze >wiz as "food sources", since these items seem to be made of some odd, >possibly extra-terrestrial substances, and probably contain nothing that >was ever a living creature from any of the kingdoms. :-)] I think National Lampoon's DOON put it best when calling Velveeta "The Cheese that Cannot Die." Pasturized processed cheese food. Ya gotta wonder sometimes... --Stephanie, who avoids cheese *anyway*... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:24:58 -0400 (EDT) From: cc697-+AT+-cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Oppen) To: lois-bujold-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Castle Vorhartung Message-ID: <199708190324.XAA18262-+AT+-owl.INS.CWRU.Edu> Reply to message from elodan-+AT+-cyberstation.fr of Sun, 17 Aug > > > >A question haunts me : The seat of the Council of Counts is in Castle >Vorhartung in the center of Vorbarr Sultana : > > Who were the Vorhartung anq why the Vorhartung pass it to the >Imperium? > > What are your theories : treason, end of the male line, gracious >gift at the occasion of an imperial marriage. > > The first is the more plausible for me, given the bloody character >of the politics on Barrayar in the centuries after the closure of the >wormhole . Another possibility is purchase. The original Buckingham House, which later became Buckingham Palace, was the town residence of the Dukes of Buckingham, and was purchased (IIRC) by George IV as Prince Regent. For you _Blackadder_ fans, that is the same Prince George that Blackadder was butler to. He wasn't _quite_ as dumb as portrayed, but not much brighter, and had an appalling talent for falling sincerely in love with extremely unsuitable-for-the-Throne women, as well as spending money like the stuff was about to go out of style. -- \|/ /\ \|/ |"Random action produces random political results...Why waste \/ \/ | even a rock?"--Abbie Hoffman, in _Steal This Book_. / \ | <--Hobo symbol for "Man armed at this address..." /____________\ | "Mentally undressing the Internet" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:33:50 -0400 (EDT) From: cc697-+AT+-cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Oppen) To: lois-bujold-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Soldiers' motives and B-12 Message-ID: <199708190333.XAA19778-+AT+-owl.INS.CWRU.Edu> Reply to message from ndrosen-+AT+-bu.edu of Mon, 18 Aug > >Ellen Blackburn and John Bishop were discussing soldiers' motivations: > >> o Soldiers are not motivated by individual glory or abstract patriotism >> (in general). Most are apparently motivated by the desire not to let >> their buddies down. > >This seems to have been mostly true in the 20th century, but I've seen a >book review (sorry, I don't have references) claiming that it was not >true for the American Civil War. This claim was based on letters which >Civil War soldiers wrote to their families and friends; these letters, >being private and unofficial, cannot be dismissed as war propaganda. >Apparently, a lot of soldiers really said that they were fighting for >the Union, or for State sovereignty, or for liberty, or to preserve >their families from having to associate with Negroes on terms of equality. > >This is interesting if true. It may be, of course, that people joined >the army out of idealism, but charged enemy trenches chiefly to avoid >being seen as cowards who let their buddies down. I don't know. James McPherson wrote a book that came out recently, examining why Civil War soldiers fought and stayed with the army. There have also been other studies of common soldiers of the CW. If you'd like, I can dig up the titles---_Soldiers Blue and Grey_ and Bell Erwin Wiley's _Life of Johnny Reb_ and _Life of Billy Yank_ are the ones I can remember offhand. On a slightly different subject, did anybody else find the articles about skinsuits I posted about some time ago? -- \|/ /\ \|/ |"Random action produces random political results...Why waste \/ \/ | even a rock?"--Abbie Hoffman, in _Steal This Book_. / \ | <--Hobo symbol for "Man armed at this address..." /____________\ | "Mentally undressing the Internet" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 00:29:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "Janet Monroe (CAS)" To: lois-bujold-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: vegeterian OT Message-ID: The problem with the american diet is that we eat too much meat. Meat two or three days a week is enought protein to be health. Realize that some foods were meat less and then some one added meat. Stuffed shells is meatless but some just have to pour tomato sauce with meat over the top. Don't ask me why. By the way Vegeterians who eat eggs and some dairy are much healther than Vegens. No diet is naturally healthy, all take time and work to be made healthy. Janet Monroe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 03:21:49 GMT From: barbc-+AT+-primenet.com (Barb) To: lois-bujold-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Ear plugs Message-ID: <33fc10b6.28441812-+AT+-mailhost.primenet.com> On Mon, 18 Aug 1997 07:46:51 +0100 (BST), you wrote: > >They have what is called relay call service for the deaf. The deaf = person, >with a keyboard phone, wants to talk to someone who only has a voice = line- >their lawyer of something. Anyway, the person with the keyboard phone >calls a number at the phone company. Somebody there has two pohone = lines, >and speaks what is typed out to whom ever is on the voice only line.=20 > >I don't know what the speed is- I imagnine that the speed of typing can = be >a serious limitation here. I speak much faster than I type, and I type = 50+ >WPM. > I've gotten calls from people on relay services at work; it's rather slow and cumbersome, and a good "relayer" is invaluable. (It's very frustrating when I and the person on the other end know exactly what we're talking about, and the relay person is floundering...) *************************************************************** Barb Cummings =20 barbc-+AT+-primenet.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:41:52 -0700 From: Jean Lamb To: lois-bujold-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Shakespeare (was German) quotes Message-ID: <199708190641.XAA32412-+AT+-magick.net> >Ah, I just started THE QUEEN'S MAN by Penman (a historical mystery), and >Richard III plays a role. He appears to be characterized in a >less-than-flattering light. Another good book which is sympathetic toward >Richard III is THE DAUGHTER OF TIME, a (sort-of) mystery by Josephine Tey. >It is so well-researched that a friend of mine read it in a history class >in college. After reading that one, I read a little Sir Thomas More, one >of the original sources of information about Richard III and a staunch >Tudor supporter. Can we say biased account? > >Natalie I might add, that Sir Thomas More's tutor who apparently gave him all this lovely information in re Richard III was none other than the Bishop of Ely, who may well have been heavily implicated in the deaths of the Princes in the Tower _himself_ (and was also the inventor of Morton's Fork, which does rather sound like a torture instrument, but was instead a taxation philosophy). The first thing that Henry VIII in his reign (and one of his more popular acts!) was to execute the Bishop of Ely... Jean Lamb, tlambs-+AT+-magick.net, from Klamath Falls. "Any coins they put on my eyes I keep!"--Hysterium, A FUNNY THING HAPPENED ON THE WAY TO THE FORUM. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:33:45 +0200 From: mapfahler-+AT+-metronet.de To: Subject: ObBujold/yeast (sort of OT) Message-ID: <199708190727.JAA00205-+AT+-pop.metronet.de> Reagan wrote: > I tried to figure it out on my own but i failed.. i am sure it is so obvious > that when someone tells me i will slap my forehead... What is the Ob in front > of Bujold mean? i know i denotes something that is being brought on topic or > an opinion about a something in the storyline.... oh well.. _Ob_ is an abbreviation for _Obligatory_. So ObBujold actually means _Obligatory Bujold reference_, meant to be placed in an otherwise offtopic post. IIRC this started on the Mercedes Lackey list, where it is called ObMisty and was imported to this list. **************************************************************************** ************** Stephanie wrote: > > (actually, what taxonomic designation *is* yeast?) Yeast = Saccharomyces cerevisiae: Fungi. Which puts them in the "flora" realm, more or less. Wow, seems as if I finally learned a bit in Botany class! :) Walk in beauty Khenta B. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 08:19:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Natalie G To: Bujold list Subject: Re: Shakespeare (was German) quotes Message-ID: >>Ah, I just started THE QUEEN'S MAN by Penman (a historical mystery), and >>Richard III plays a role. He appears to be characterized in a >>less-than-flattering light. Eric Oppen kindly corrected me (off-list): >Not remotely possible---I read the same book. You're thinking of the man >who became Richard I, aka the Lion-Hearted, or Yea-and-Nay. THE QUEEN'S >MAN is set during the life of Eleanor of Acquitaine, who died in the >mid-1200s if memory serves, while RIII wasn't born until 1452. "Oh, duh" was my immediate response. Sigh. And I even checked the message for mistakes before I sent it. I guess that I was thinking about Kate Sedley's "Roger the Chapman" mysteries, but Richard III is portrayed quite sympathetically there. Brain freeze, I guess. Natalie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 07:38:31 EST From: "Delia C. Bourne" To: lois-bujold-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: I keep forgetting! Message-ID: I have a co-worker who *really, really* wants to get on this list, but I've forgotten how to subscribe. (I'm just happily going along, reading messages is all) Can someone rescue me so I can help her? Thanks! Delia the genie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:18:48 -0100 From: "James M. BRYANT, G4CLF" To: lois-bujold-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: OT Vegetarianism Message-ID: <3.0.16.19970818152522.324f545e-+AT+-pop.wokingham.luna.net> Stephanie Folse asks:- >What taxonomic designation *is* yeast? It's a plant. James - the carnivore ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:54:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Sfolse-+AT+-aol.com To: lois-bujold-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Bujold prescient again :) Message-ID: <970819145313_347577342-+AT+-emout03.mail.aol.com> In today's Houston Chronicle, a Knight-Ridder news item informs us that on Monday the FDA approved for marketing a device that sounds suspisciously like the prototype for Koudelka's nerve implants. It can help quadraplegics who have some movement in the upper body. I'll quote from a paragraph: "The system has a pacemaker-sized battery and microprocessor that is implanted into the chest and connected to electrodes threaded by wire under the skin, down the arm to the forearm and hand muscles. It is controlled by an externally mounted joystick-like device on the opposite shoulder, which responds to movements of that shoulder. The motion sends an electronic signal to the implant to tell the thumb and finger to pinch together to grasp an object." Not anywhere near the sophistication of Koudelka's implants, certainly, but a start in that direction. :) --Stephanie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 16:45:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gwyn To: lois-bujold-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: where is everybody? Message-ID: surely it has not been so quiet that no one has posted in the last twenty hours??? a thought that occured to me last night when i was trying to fall asleep in the heat....... it has been speculated that wormhole connections might transcend thousands or even millions of lightyears instead of simply hopping to one of the nearby stars. if this is (often? usually?) the case....... do hte people in Miles' time actually know where each inhabated world is? can someone look up into the Barrayaran night sky and say "there is Komarrs' sun, there is Sergyars' sun, that one is Cetagandas' and there is where Beta Colony is."? if so...... was someone able to look up into Earths' night sky and (before recontact with Barrayar) say "there is where the lost colony is....." cheers, christopher Christopher Gwyn gwync-+AT+-ruby.ils.unc.edu 5602 Lockridge Rd. Durham NC 27705-8099 USA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 17:10:20 -0400 From: philmfan-+AT+-net-link.net (Steve Salaba) To: lois-bujold-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Sound cancelling Message-ID: <199708192107.RAA01346-+AT+-serv01.net-link.net> I'm on a newsgroup with a bunch of techies and passed on to them this question, orginally asked here: >>> Isn't there a technique that allows to block out any kind of sound by >>>> adding another sound so that the combinded frequences of the two sounds >>>> add up to a non-audible sound?on to them this question: Some responses: >Sort of. Actually they try to get the waveforms to add up to nothing, at >one specific point. Usually done via headphones. i.e. the sound is >canceled at your eardrumes - so you don't hear it. The sound still exists, >and the headphones actually generate more, it's just that it's calculated >to all cancel in the vicinity of your eardrum. > >Damark is actually carrying a set of these headphones for about $150 now. > >************************************************************* >* John Lussmyer | ScenicSoft Inc. 11400 Airport Rd. * >* JohnL-+AT+-ScenicSoft.com | Everett, Wa. 98204 (425) 355-6655 * >************************************************************* >Sound cancelling headphones are essential when flying in someone else's >smallish airplane. They Are Nifty. > >However, sound cancelling, as they say, is a localized phenom, you can't >sofarasikno do it for a large space. > >- -m > >Michael Brian Bentley / bentley-+AT+-crenelle.com / Crenelle Inc. >1935 West Pratt Blvd Suite 3, Chicago Illinois 60626-3133 >Voice (773)-508-9009 Fax (773)-465-2399 Web www.crenelle.com >Network Applications Development Specializing in Mac OS >Active noise cancelation. > >It can be used whenever the location of the ear, or the noise source is >well known. I belive Mercedies (possibly BMW) offers it to reduce >passenger compartment noise. > >The more specific the noise you are trying to cancel, the more exacting >the location of the cancelation. It is especially useful for canceling >the lower freq. components of noise, since they have a longer >wavelength. > >Building a device to cancel a more or less random noise (such as a >polotician's address) becomes technologically exacting. > >- -------------------------------------------------------------- >Robert Wenzlaff rwenzlaf-+AT+-acy.digex.net > http://www.acy.digex.net/~rwenzlaf >- -------------------------------------------------------------- > "But lucky for us, science is full of crackpots willing > to pick up on the mistakes of others. . . " > - James Burke, Connections 2. >The old "Fenton Silencer" again, eh? (One of Clarke's "Tales from the >White Hart" revolves around this.) > >In one dimension (on a line), this works fine. In two or more, there is a >problem. The sounds spread in a circular (two dimensions) or spherical >pattern from the source, so, unless the emitter of the cancelling wave is >in EXACTLY the same place as the original noise source, what you get is a >series of places where the waves cancel, a series of places that the waves >REINFORCE, and all the space in between where the volume will be somewhere >between 0 and 2X. (Think difraction.) If I remember the time we did this >in high school physics (using two tuning forks on resonating boxes, one of >which had a sliding strap to allow frequency adjustments) if the >frequencies are close but not quite identical, the nodes "sweep", so that >you alternately get a cancellation, followed shortly thereafter by a >reinforcement, allowing you to hear the effect without leaving your lab >bench... > >Now, given fixed positions of the emitters, and knowledge of the >frequencies, the pattern of nodes can be calculated. > >This having been said, the concept has proven worthwhile in cases such as >pipes and ducts, which approximate the one dimensional case, or when the >cancelling emitter is right over your ears (like the noise cancelling >headphones that have been marketed for the last few years.) > >- ---------------------------------------------- >William H. Leininger, Macintosh Developer for hire >http://www.watervalley.net/users/whl/ >Help conserve bandwidth: shorten a .sig today! BTW, all these people knew in advance that I would be re-posting thier responses on this list and I've given them all credit. So far, for me, the best response mentions that the Damark catalog has some. Wow. Steve philmfan-+AT+-net-link.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 17:48:50 -0400 From: Natalie G To: Bujold list Subject: anybody home? Message-ID: I hate to be one who sends one of these messages--but am I off the list again? I got no messages all day, which is weird for our loquacious crowd. Natalie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 18:18:48 -0700 From: robertaw-+AT+-halcyon.com (Robert A. Woodward) To: lois-bujold-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: No traffic? Message-ID: <199708200108.SAA05349-+AT+-mail1.halcyon.com> There were no messages from the lois-bujold list today in my mailbox. Was everybody very quiet? Or was I unsubscribed by accident? Robert A. Woodward robertaw-+AT+-halcyon.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Did it never occur to any of you three young louts that _I_ would wish to be informed?" Lady Alys Vorpatril expresses annoyance in _Memory_. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 08:24:12 -0700 From: David Samson To: lois-bujold-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Ear plugs Message-ID: <33F9BA9C.3919-+AT+-worldnet.att.net> Claudia wrote: > > David Samson wrote: > > > Yes, too rich for my blood but target shooters have bought into this in > > a big way. Something like a $150 but work really well. Actually the > > sound is canceled out... David > > I know these headphones - my Dad uses them. They work really well but > it is not what I was thinking of. As you said, here the sound is > canceled out. > This other technology *adds* a second sound and thus makes the (first) > sound inaudible (in fact only the combined sound is inaudible, although > each sound itself would be clearly audible). It's a whole different > approach. And a fascinating one. That is what I was talking about. They have been available for a couple of years. This would be less effective when not in a confined area (as the two sound waves have to arrive together to work). David > > I don't think it's the headphones Russell suggested - *my* technique > shuts off only a specific sound such as a persons voice, the ticking of > a clock, a dog's barking, unnerving children, your bed-companion's > snoring... He, one could make BIG money with that! > > Christopher mentioned a device for planes - I think that's the one. If > it weighs a few kilos today - it most likely will fit into earplugs in > Miles' time, don't you think? > > Claudia > -- > Kanat takmak kabil olsaydi saatlari! > Nazim Hikmet ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 07:03:27 +0200 From: Claudia To: lois-bujold-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Help Message-ID: <33FA7A9F.55E0-+AT+-stud.uni-sb.de> Sorry to send this to the list in general but I have not received any mails in a day or two - did I get kicked off? (Well, if this bounces back to me I guess so...) I tried to send a mail to the 'listmaster' but noone answered... Heck, I feel like cut-off from the world!!! Claudia ___________________ Ich finde mich nicht wieder in dieser Todverlassenheit... Lasker-Schüler ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:25:04 +0800 From: Elaine Walker To: lois-bujold-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Hello? Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970820142722.47ffe5b0-+AT+-fizzy> Either all our inspiration has dried up, I've been taken off the list somehow or herald is down....(suspect the latter since a query to listproc-+AT+-herald has gone unanswered) In case anyone does read this before say..the 22nd let me know.. Elaine ------------------------------ End of LOIS-BUJOLD Digest 820 *****************************