MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2197 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Oathbound by dennis-+AT+-jmf.org.ph 2) Re: Oathbound by Adrienne 3) Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 2196 by Laura Jean Rossier 4) ML: just a ques.... by gryphona-+AT+-webtv.net (Liz Martinez) 5) Anybody there? by "Firedance KTreva" 6) Re: Oathbound by 7) Re: Oathbound by Kenneth Allen Hyde 8) Re: ML: revisiting a topic.. by Niki 9) Re: ML: just a ques.... by Rena Bouchard 10) Re: Oathbound by TrinityWch-+AT+-aol.com 11) How to find out determine whether you've bypassed by ML list... by Niki 12) Re: Oathbound by Megan.E.Daggett-+AT+-Dartmouth.EDU (Megan E. Daggett) 13) request of aid by Freedom Walker 14) Re: ML: revisiting a topic.. by TrinityWch-+AT+-aol.com 15) Re: ML: just a ques.... by Sharry Adams 16) Re: request of aid by Yvonne 17) Re: Oathbound by Rainwing-+AT+-aol.com 18) Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 2196 by "Jenny" 19) Brightly Burning by "Jenny" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 16:24:24 +0000 From: dennis-+AT+-jmf.org.ph To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Oathbound Message-ID: Heyla, I was slightly bothered by a seeming conflict in the premise of the book. Here you have two strong women who (differing from the traditional fantasy) are usually able to take care of themselves and don't have to wait around for others to rescue them,and yet their stated mission is to rescue women. So you wind up with women still being portrayed as victims, as people that have to be rescued. Does it really matter that they are being rescued by women instead of by men? This didn't seem to be a problem in Oathbreakers, maybe because it told a cohesive story intead of presenting a collection of mostly unrelated tales and their mission was to aid a friend and the fact that she was a woman is irrelevant. Just throwing thoughts into the void. Runewind ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 10:14:27 -0600 From: Adrienne To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Oathbound Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000124100740.00c11750-+AT+-pop3.tconl.com> At 03:03 PM 1/24/00 +0000, you wrote: >Heyla, >I was slightly bothered by a seeming conflict in the premise of the book. >Here you have two strong women who (differing from the traditional >fantasy) are usually able to take care of themselves and don't have to wait >around for others to rescue them,and yet their stated mission is to rescue >women. So you wind up with women still being portrayed as victims, as >people that have to be rescued. Does it really matter that they are being >rescued by women instead of by men? Runewind, My thought on this has to do with Need. Need obviously doesn't care if they rescue men (as seen by Kero's rescue of Eldan in BTS), but she is drawn to women needing rescue. In most of the cases, Need is drawing Kethry, and therefore Tarma, to the women in peril by her geas. There is no one else to help, or the needed help (male or female) is too far away to reach the victim in time. But you do bring up a point that has bothered me. Oathbreakers does have cohesive story, while Oathbound seems to be many of her previously written short stories put together and a sub-plot thrown in later. That's always disappointed me. Adrienne Priestess of OOPS Watcher of the Mistic Circle OOUH Champion of Eldan, Daren, and Savil ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 13:28:50 -0500 (EST) From: Laura Jean Rossier To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 2196 Message-ID: I'm constantly noticing that email can be a terrible way to communicate. When I read the comment about early teens I read it as meaning that anyone younger than early teens might have some problems grasping all the concepts and actions in the books, but that anyone above that age would be interested in them. I started reading fantasy novels when I was an early teen and I did find that at times i had trouble relating to them but not very often. I find that the things that appealed to when I was younger still appeal to me now...depth in characters, a sense of mystery or excitement, how people relate and deal with events and magic. One of the first authors i ever read in the official "adult" sci-fi section was Piers Anthony and his Xanth series. I find that his writing over time changed to be more suitable for yonger people and that I don't enjoy reading his new books now or rereading many of his older ones. I would have to say that Misty isn't like that for me. While I can see changes in her writing style I wouldn't say that age is making me disdain her work. Jenny said...(i think) > I must say though, that I love all of her Heralds books also, with the > exception of the Owl series. The first two books were very predictable! I I think i agree with this...predictability didn't make me dislike the books but it did take a certain edge off. I wonder if it's possible for misty to manage to break out of the formula she's adapted but still manage to do something in the Valdemaran setting. It would probably be a challenge but surprises are always nice. I have really got to learn how not to be long winded...sorry! Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 12:36:46 -0600 (CST) From: gryphona-+AT+-webtv.net (Liz Martinez) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: ML: just a ques.... Message-ID: <16194-388C9BBE-14454-+AT+-storefull-256.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Greetings and salutations to all :) I just thought i'd ask, does anyone know what the book " Brightly Burning" is supposed to be about? I see it as a forthcoming on my list of books and i was wondering WHEN will it be out, in case anyone here knows. Zha 'hai 'allav 'a Liz "A neat and ordinary living space is the sign of a dangerously sick mind." - Mercedes Lackey ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 19:55:12 GMT From: "Firedance KTreva" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Anybody there? Message-ID: <20000124195512.26560.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Firedance enters the Hall of Mist and franctially looks around for her listsibs. I haven't received any mail from the list for about a week. Is that because RL has reared its ugly head in the life of all my listsibs? Is it because no one has anything to say? Or have I been kicked off the list by accident? Has hotmail screwed up again? I'm going into list withdrawel here!!!!! ObMist Has anyone figured up how old Tia(?)is in the Ship who searched? Chava and double fudge choclate chip sheep for anyone who answers me. WTTW, Firedance K'Treva and her lovely and vain bondbird Ana ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 15:17:09 -0500 (EST) From: To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Oathbound Message-ID: Hi! I'm a relatively new lurker here and I just thought I'd throw my thoughts in here. I always took into account the world the books were set in where women were the 'secon'd class so to say, in different areas. Unlike Valdemar where women are seen as equals more or less, most areas still had a view much like medeival times. Women were second class, so with that in mind most women grew up not knowing how to fight, not thinking on their own two feet(not all mind you but quite a few) and so needed that rescuing.. Anyways I should scitter back to work! Thanks, Brooke On Mon, 24 Jan 2000, Adrienne wrote: > At 03:03 PM 1/24/00 +0000, you wrote: > >Heyla, > >I was slightly bothered by a seeming conflict in the premise of the book. > >Here you have two strong women who (differing from the traditional > >fantasy) are usually able to take care of themselves and don't have to wait > >around for others to rescue them,and yet their stated mission is to rescue > >women. So you wind up with women still being portrayed as victims, as > >people that have to be rescued. Does it really matter that they are being > >rescued by women instead of by men? > > Runewind, > > My thought on this has to do with Need. Need obviously doesn't care if > they rescue men (as seen by Kero's rescue of Eldan in BTS), but she is > drawn to women needing rescue. In most of the cases, Need is drawing > Kethry, and therefore Tarma, to the women in peril by her geas. There is > no one else to help, or the needed help (male or female) is too far away to > reach the victim in time. > > But you do bring up a point that has bothered me. Oathbreakers does have > cohesive story, while Oathbound seems to be many of her previously written > short stories put together and a sub-plot thrown in later. That's always > disappointed me. > > Adrienne > Priestess of OOPS > Watcher of the Mistic Circle > OOUH Champion of Eldan, Daren, and Savil > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 15:40:31 -0500 (EST) From: Kenneth Allen Hyde To: Misty Lackey List Subject: Re: Oathbound Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Jan 2000 dennis-+AT+-jmf.org.ph wrote: > So you wind up with women still being portrayed as victims, as people > that have to be rescued. Does it really matter that they are being > rescued by women instead of by men? Yes, I think it does. After all, when you look at the traditional format, Woman (not just women) was equivalent to Victim. Women existed in traditional slash and hack genre as objects to be rescued and prizes to be distributed among the male protagonists. Occasionally, strong women showed up as villainesses to be destroyed or as "amazons" to be tamed by the love of a "good" man. However, the crucial fact about any of these portrayals was that Woman was incapable of shaping the world around her in despite of Man. Even the powerful women could not maintain their independance and empowerment in opposition to masculine desire and power. However, with Tarma and Kethry, there is an important change in this pattern. Although the victims are often women (not always, but often), they are not victims *because* they are women. That is, the role of Woman is no longer limited to the role of Victim. Tarma and Kethry, as the most prominent women in the stories, are non-victims. Even when they are under attack or in danger, they are not true "victims." At the same time, they are addressing evils and ills that still exist in modern societies (the degradation and abuse of women, for example). What makes this such a revolutionary genre (and here I'm talking about the Sword and Sorceress genre a la MZB) is that, while acknowledging the evils of sexual inequality, women are portrayed as actively changing their own fates. While some women (little-w women) might be portrayed as victims, Woman (big-W woman) is portrayed as having the power to change her fate and to change the world. The difference between pre-S&S and post-S&S women is the difference between submission and opposition. In the pre-S&S narrative, female characters always ended up submissive to male power, either as a victim, as a collaborator (the "tamed" amazon, e.g.), or as a defeated enemy (the evil enchantress, etc.) In post-S&S fantasy fiction, however, female characters are not always victims and they usually end up escaping male oppression through opposition, either through their own efforts or through the efforts of another female character (this is the T&K pattern). If anything, the most disturbing aspect of the T&K stories is the thinly veiled anti-male bias in some of the early stories. The feeling that infuses the early narratives is that men are not worthy of rescuing. This slowly changes as the stories evolve, however, and I would say that it is mostly gone by the time Misty wrote Oathbreakers. By the time of OBr, even Need has softened enough to heal Jadrek(?). Anyway, that's it for now. I'll probably think of lots of other things to add, if this thread continues. May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd Councilor of Mist Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me //www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/prof/ken.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 15:00:19 -0800 From: Niki To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: ML: revisiting a topic.. Message-ID: <388CD983.11DB9B13-+AT+-mills.edu> > I don't know how anyone else feels about these books, but I absolutely > loved The Fire Rose and Sacred Ground. I understand that she won't be > doing anything further with the characters of Sacred Ground, but it > was still a great book. The Fire Rose was just enchanting. I really enjoyed both of these books. The ending of the Fire Rose was a bit abrupt for me, but I very much liked this version of Beauty and the Beast. It felt like she'd slipped a bit of the Di Tregarde magic/guardian stuff in by setting the story in the past. And Sacred Ground I enjoyed too. It's been a while, so I don't remember the specifics too well. It isn't a book I reread often, but I have found it worth rereading on occasion. > Please forgive me if I implied that ML's books are only for > young adults. I certainly don't fit that age group, being in my late > 30s. I was asking only if others feel she does target her writing to > a certain audience, and if so, whom. I've really gotten the impression that Misty's books are moving much more toward the early teen reader. Her stuff has always been a bit simple, in terms of black/white, good/bad, and that's part of what I've enjoyed. But where her earlier books seemed focused at an older crowd while being incredibly accessible by younger readers, her more recent stuff has felt more directly aimed at younger readers. Or perhaps her stories weren't previously aimed at anybody, and so affected everybody. But perhaps I'm generalizing a bit too much. In her recent collection of short stories (sorry I forget the title), the new piece she wrote, about a girl and her parrot, seemed very much targeted toward young readers. My pet theory was that Misty's been writing for a while now, and might be trying on some new hats, or at least trying some new things, including writing for specific audiences. > It was not my intent to offend. > I do not think I am too mature for her books. Now, just because I feel Misty's books are aimed at a younger audience doesn't mean I can't or won't enjoy her writing. It does mean, however, that I don't find myself quite as gripped by the drama. I don't relate quite as closely -- I feel a bit removed. But that's not meant as an attack or a criticism. I still enjoy the books, they just don't speak to me on many levels as they once did. > finished my 45th move, and I am tired of hauling so many books around. > This may be off the topic, but I have moved from Germany to Korea to > Hawaii to the mainland of the U.S. with more than three tons of stuff > in the past seven years, and I am frankly very tired of it. Wow. That's dedication. I think your idea of donating books to a library is inspired. I would have a hard time letting go of my collection of books, but if I ever need to do so, I like the idea of donating to a library. > My books are in good shape -- but frankly, some of Misty's books -- > particularly the gryphon and owl series don't really appeal to me > that much anymore. (one of those things where you're glad you read it, > but don't really need to read it again). I find that I am a lot more > selective these days on whether I want to read some of her books. That's a good way to put it. I feel the same way about the owl and gryphon series -- I wouldn't have missed them for the world, but I don't feel a desire to reread them over and over. LHM and Arrows both have a lot of emotional resonance for me, and so I reread them often, usually when I'm kinda down and need to go through some therapeutic crying. Reading them is sort of like clutching a comfy blanket. Winds didn't do as much for me, but I like Storms, and so I read the two trilogies together to get the whole storyline. Oh, and I occasionally like to go back and revisit Tarma and Kethry. Does anybody else out there have favorite or not-so-favorite books? Sorry this was so long. Actually, for those of you who remember me from way back when, you might realize this was pretty short, for me. :p Oh, hey. When I joined the list a month or two ago, I thought I saw the Friendship Ring being passed. Is it still in circulation? I was under the impression Van had it, but Van unsubscribed, so I'm hoping it was passed to someone else before that... love and laughter Niki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 18:14:15 -0500 (EST) From: Rena Bouchard To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: ML: just a ques.... Message-ID: I have decided to delurk for a while...hoping not to get too wet (but carrrying a towel nonetheless - it pays to be prepared!) In a message today, Liz asked: Burning" is supposed to be about? I see it as a forthcoming on my list > of books and i was wondering WHEN will it be out, in case anyone here > knows> As far as I have been able to figure out, this is about Lavan Firestorm. He is mentioned briefly in AotQ when Talia is undergoing her training. I don't have the reference handy, but she is watching (with Kris) Dirk train Griffin and Christa. Griffin is a firestarter and Kris makes a comment about Lavan at the time. BTW, does anyone have the publishing date for this book? Bye, Rena ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:04:38 EST From: TrinityWch-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Oathbound Message-ID: In a message dated 1/24/00 9:58:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, dennis-+AT+-jmf.org.ph writes: << I was slightly bothered by a seeming conflict in the premise of the book. Here you have two strong women who (differing from the traditional fantasy) are usually able to take care of themselves and don't have to wait around for others to rescue them,and yet their stated mission is to rescue women. So you wind up with women still being portrayed as victims, as people that have to be rescued. Does it really matter that they are being rescued by women instead of by men? >> Well.. the way I saw it (it has been awhile since I've read the book though). It wasn't necessarily Tarma and Kethry's inclination to just "Save" women, it was more that darn sword NEED that would drive Kethry (and in a sense, Tarma) absolutely batty if they didn't do something. I'm not going to say anything else about NEED though, because I don't know who has read what or how much is known about this sword that seems to get around a bit. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 16:53:55 -0800 From: Niki To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: How to find out determine whether you've bypassed by ML list... Message-ID: <388CF423.E6EAD2D8-+AT+-mills.edu> Firedance KTreva wrote: > > Firedance enters the Hall of Mist and franctially looks around for her > listsibs. I haven't received any mail from the list for about a week. > Is that because RL has reared its ugly head in the life of all my > listsibs? Is it because no one has anything to say? Or have I been > kicked off the list by accident? Has hotmail screwed up again? I'm > going into list withdrawel here!!!!! > Chava and double fudge choclate chip sheep for anyone who answers me. Oh, yummy. That'd be heavenly right now. Yes, you're still on the list. Since several people have chimed in with questions along the lines of "helloooooo, is anybody out there?", I thought I'd mention that this mailing list is compiled and archived on a daily basis, and you can find the archive at http://www.herald.co.uk/pub/lists/lackey-archives/ Simply look at the most recent, and see whether there are emails in archives that never made their way to your computer. Et voila. Hope this helps, listsibs. Niki ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jan 2000 19:43:54 EST From: Megan.E.Daggett-+AT+-Dartmouth.EDU (Megan E. Daggett) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Oathbound Message-ID: <28415794-+AT+-vixen.Dartmouth.EDU> --- Adrienne wrote: But you do bring up a point that has bothered me. Oathbreakers does have cohesive story, while Oathbound seems to be many of her previously written short stories put together and a sub-plot thrown in later. That's always disappointed me. --- end of quote --- Hmm. Considering that the characters first appeared in short stories, this isn't too surprising; I'd always interpretted the structure of the book as ML discovering that she had several stories (or story ideas) that seemed to work together on some level, and developed those stories into a novel. I rather like the structure myself; I'm using a similar structure for my own novel--an essentially complete story line in each chapter, building to create an overall plot line. -wyvern -- wyvern-+AT+-darmtouth.edu http://www.dartmouth.edu/~mdaggett/ "We shape clay into a pot, but it is the emptiness inside that holds whatever we want." -- Tao Te Ching ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:32:33 -0800 (PST) From: Freedom Walker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: request of aid Message-ID: <20000125013233.14982.qmail-+AT+-web1102.mail.yahoo.com> I'd like to move from the digest version to the separate post version. how do I do this? >From the desk of Captian Freedom Justice Walker of the FireSisters __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 20:32:42 EST From: TrinityWch-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: ML: revisiting a topic.. Message-ID: <43.1632a8.25be573a-+AT+-aol.com> In a message dated 1/24/00 7:24:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, nikin-+AT+-mills.edu writes: << Does anybody else out there have favorite or not-so-favorite books? >> Actually... yes I do have favorite books.... The Lark and The Wren, If I Pay Thee Not in Gold (I know, it's not all Misty), Elvenbane, Oath series and Arrows Series. Basically, I judge my favorites by the emotional involvement I have with the main characters. Talia really knotted up my gut and so did Vanyel at times. OH.. I'm not sure if I'm the only one that liked this one.. but Tiger Burning Bright was a fun book to read, only because it was interesting to see the different writing styles working to make one very nice story. It's really scary when a person can tell who wrote what and so forth. Least favorite so far is OwlKnight, I enjoyed the series yet I think I could have survived without it. Only thing it did for me was give me an idea that Firesong was "Doing alright" after all the psychological stuff he went thru in the Storm series. It did introduce a whole slew of new possibilities though. One thing that I have noticed though, and I hope no one hates me for this, but some of the books that people have been saying is geared towards younger groups seem to be the ones that Larry Dixon, our beloved Misty's husband, contributed to. Food for thought? Don't really know. With any luck, with all the new avenues that have been opened will the discovery of Griffins in Iftel and hell, just about 1/2 of the things brought up in the Storm series, I think there is at least 3 or more trilogies just waiting to be written. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 18:23:10 -0800 (PST) From: Sharry Adams To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: ML: just a ques.... Message-ID: <29506746.948766990256.JavaMail.imail-+AT+-bronty> Liz wrote: > I just thought i'd ask, does anyone know what the book " Brightly Burning" is supposed to be about? -------- It's supposed to be about Laven Firestorm, the Herlad with a really strong firestarting gift. I don't know when it's due out...I think sometime soon. If you check on Firebird, I'm sure the date is there. Someone (sorry, I forgot who!) was complaining that they weren't getting messages through Hotmail. Well, I'm having the same problem. I haven't gotten any messages on my Hotmail account for a few weeks now. I figured it was a problem that couldn't be fixed, so I just switched to an account on excite.com. And now I'm back on the list! *yea!* Chocolate-chip cookie sheep to all! --Lovesinger _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 20:43:25 -0800 From: Yvonne To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: request of aid Message-ID: <388D29ED.6B2A-+AT+-planet.eon.net> Heya! > I'd like to move from the digest version to the > separate post version. how do I do this? Easy as pie. :) Simple send a mail to listproc-+AT+-herald.co.uk with a blank subject line and the message body containung 'set mercedes-lackey mail digest' Hope that helps! Yvonne Councilor of Mist ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 00:06:30 EST From: Rainwing-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Oathbound Message-ID: Heyla and Bright the day listsibs! :::Rainwing steps into the Arena of D&D and ascends the soap-box...::: << Yes, I think it does. After all, when you look at the traditional format, Woman (not just women) was equivalent to Victim. Women existed in traditional slash and hack genre as objects to be rescued and prizes to be distributed among the male protagonists. Occasionally, strong women showed up as villainesses to be destroyed or as "amazons" to be tamed by the love of a "good" man. However, the crucial fact about any of these portrayals was that Woman was incapable of shaping the world around her in despite of Man. Even the powerful women could not maintain their independance and empowerment in opposition to masculine desire and power. >> Just thought I'd add my two cents here. One of the reasons I really like Misty's writing is that she has never written in this traditional format. Her female characters have always been portrayed as strong and independent women. True there are those that fit the "evil sorceress genre"(Hulda), and for realism and contrast there are those who are completely submissive in a patriarchal society (i.e. the Holderkin) The examples of female oppression, however , are never portrayed as acceptable. Of all the examples of Misty's main female characters, in Velgarth anyway, not one was weak and submissive: Talia (she started out so, but look at her after her reformation: The Queen's own herald, she demands respect), T&K (they were a little on the extreme side, true feminists. Ya gotta love 'em), Elspeth (sassy and headstrong, she faced down Falconsbane...hardly a weakling), Kerowyn (Captain Kerowyn...definitely not the petit flowerlette, as she made sure Daren was quite aware of), Selenay (nothing weak there, she's as strong and capable a ruler as I've ever seen), Savil (not a chance. Wingsister who defended herself 'till her last breath at age 80. Need I say more?), Keisha (that no-nonsense healer means business. Don't get in her way when she's working) Solaris (first female Son of the Sun) Can anybody think of anyone I've missed? Comments on the non-Velgarth series? Here's one of my favorite Misty passages...Ancar doing a little brooding: (WoFury p.16) "Bitch-Queen Selenay was still firmly on her throne. Another bitch, a mercenary Captain named Kerowyn, now held the border against him, and there didn't seem to be a single trick any of his commanders or mages could work that she hadn't seen before-and countered before. The Herald-bitch Talia had been made a Sun-priest herself, and vested with the authority of the Arm of Vkandis by yet another bitch, the High priest Solaris. And Bitch-Princess Elspeth had simply vanished, on some other quest for help, and he had to assume, given the absence of panic, that she was succeeding, even though not one of his agents could locate her." I thnk it really shows the role which women play in Misty's books, and their affect on guys like Ancar. Well, now that I've rambled on forever...rasberry popsicle sheep to all! Stars light thy Path, Rainwing k'Colira Collector of all Sheep and Black sheep of the family Singer of Illusions and proud to be an Alto Devoted Misty Disciple (hopeful) Knight of the OOUH, Champion of Selenay Member of the Great Spork Empire <3 "The worst prison would be a closed heart." - J.P.II <3 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 00:52:27 -0600 From: "Jenny" To: Subject: Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 2196 Message-ID: <007801bf6700$be53ff20$6543c280-+AT+-resnet.tamu.edu> Yes, that's me! I'm sorry! :) I was in such a hurry when I responded, and it was the first time I really wanted to put my two cents in to the discussions, that I just forgot! I've been lurking for a while, but I might as well say hi to everyone, so Hi! Or, as it's said in Japanese, Hajimemashite! (sorry for the off topic e-mail :) ) Jenny ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hard work pays off tomorrow, but laziness pays off now! >From Laura: > Jenny said...(i think) > > I must say though, that I love all of her Heralds books also, with the > > exception of the Owl series. The first two books were very predictable! I > > I think i agree with this...predictability didn't make me dislike the > books but it did take a certain edge off. I wonder if it's possible for > misty to manage to break out of the formula she's adapted but still manage > to do something in the Valdemaran setting. It would probably be a > challenge but surprises are always nice. > > I have really got to learn how not to be long winded...sorry! > > Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 01:06:41 -0600 From: "Jenny" To: Subject: Brightly Burning Message-ID: <008001bf6702$bb1d0520$6543c280-+AT+-resnet.tamu.edu> I was wondering what Brightly Burning was! It will be so interesting to have a new Herald story, does anyone know if it will be a threesome set? It would be like her, after all. On the booklists, there is also featured three books called "Phoenix and Ashes", "The Gates of Sleep", and "The Serpent's Shadow" that are forthcoming. Does anyone know what these are? I've tried researching , to see if I can find interviews or something with ML, but I couldn't find Anyone who had a good website! Even ML own homepage is years out of date! Are there any good informational, artistic, musical web pages for Herald fans that someone could direct me to? Jenny ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hard work pays off tomorrow, but laziness pays off now! > As far as I have been able to figure out, this is about Lavan Firestorm. > He is mentioned briefly in AotQ when Talia is undergoing her training. I > don't have the reference handy, but she is watching (with Kris) Dirk train > Griffin and Christa. Griffin is a firestarter and Kris makes a comment > about Lavan at the time. > > BTW, does anyone have the publishing date for this book? > Bye, > Rena ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2197 **********************************