MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2205 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Illustrations and stuff by Laura Jean Rossier 2) ML: Van & Traning by "Tanya Evans" 3) Urgent Advice by Amber Bay 4) Van & Traning by Freedom Walker 5) Re: ML: Van & Traning by "David H. Tiffany" 6) Re: Hello? by "toni kelly" 7) If you could change ... by Julia Gray 8) Re: Van & Traning by freddie mac 9) Re: ML: Van & Traning by "Sheena Clintock" 10) Re: ML: Van & Traning by "Jenny" 11) Re: ML: Van & Traning by Adrienne ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 12:36:39 -0500 (EST) From: Laura Jean Rossier To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Illustrations and stuff Message-ID: Pam (i think) mentioned something about the illustrations...I was curious as to what people thought of them, good? bad? I kind of agree that, the tayledras especially, they do kind of end up looking like late 80's rock bands. But there's always been something about the style that grabs me. I don't know what it is.... there's been a lot of talk about movies and anime...my one really bad experience with movie/anime was the Hobbit. I saw it first when i was really really young. Then i read it in middle school and loved it. When i saw the movie a second time I was horrified. I guess I wanted things to be majestic and that didn't happen. Although i have to say that whenever I read star wars i still have the actors from the movie in my mind. So visual aids can be good or bad...it depends on how they're done I guess. cherry sheep cough drops to those who are sick from winter flus. (how 'come they don't make fun shaped or flavored medicine for big people? kids aren't the only one's who deserve to have fun!) Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 13:03:44 -0500 From: "Tanya Evans" To: Subject: ML: Van & Traning Message-ID: <000701bf6b4c$596d8720$23040618-+AT+-baycty1.mi.home.com> I was re-reading the Arrows series when this little OBMisty came to mind. How do you think Vanyel would have turned out if he would have went through the same type of training that the other Heralds have had to go through. All the classes, then the year or so of sector riding with a senior Herald. etc. Do you think he would have turned out different? The same? and How so. - Ellevaranachai Shay'Nara'Val Herald Trainee, but Bard wannabe => Rethwellan by Nature, Chosen by Virtue ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 12:32:47 -0800 (PST) From: Amber Bay To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Urgent Advice Message-ID: <20000201203247.27487.qmail-+AT+-web1603.mail.yahoo.com> Heyla List-Sibs, I hate to do this, but I don't know what else to do. I've been on this list for the past two years and I'm in urgent need of advice. I know that I shouldn't talk about this kind of stuff on this list, but I need objective advice very badly. If I offend anyone, I greatly apologize.If anyone doesn't want to read about the problem that I have, please delete this email. Here's the situation. I'm in college and a couple of years ago I started dating this one guy. Let's call him Sam. Sam and I went on a couple of dates and then I found out some things about him that I didn't like. Promptly, I told Sam I didn't want to go out with him anymore but still wanted to be friends. A year and a half goes by. We're still friends. During the time, he's asked me out again but I reply no. But we still communicate well and have many things in common. After coming back from winter break this past year, I started feeling bad. I was alternately depressed and anxious and didn't understand why I was feeling so lousy. I was desparate in a way to make myself feel better. So, I call up Sam and ask him if he wants to continue the relationship. He responds with a yes. I go to bed thinking I've solved my problem. Unfortunately, I haven't. Instead of feeling better, I feel worse. I'm worried and anxious ALL of the time. It's gotten so bad that I can't concentrate on much anymore. It's even affected my writing. We've been out on a couple of dates, but time isn't making things better. Every day I wish that I hadn't called him up and had waited a day to evaluate my feelings. However, what's done is done and I'm ruing the consequences. I can't fall to sleep at night without worrying. One might ask, why deal with him then. The problem is that I'm the one who asked him to continue the relationship, even if it is with such flimsy reasons. It doesn't look good for me to quit after only a couple of dates. Plus, it'll probably hurt Sam some. Furthermore, one of my biggest fears is the reason why I'm so nervous and fretful is because I'm scared of the relationship. I haven't had many at all. I'm worried that this is a cyclical pattern and that if I don't stop it and just bear with it, I'll never be able to have a relationship with a guy for the rest of my life. I'm worried that I'm simply playing mind games with myself and just need to chill out and relax. However, it's not so simple. Literally, for the past week and a half, I have been at war with myself. Part of me says that all this worry and anxiety isn't worth it and I should gently let him down and get on with my life. However, part of me says that I'm just afraid of commitment and relationships and that if I don't face my fears, I won't ever be able to. I can't come to a consensus and feel like I'm ripping apart. I want to be able to live with myself, whatever decision I make. Is it worth all the pain and suffering to face down and fear that might not be? Is it worth possibly hurting someone else just to ease the mental pain and suffering that I am feeling? I don't know. Please, someone give me some advice. If anyone on this list has felt this way or been in such a situation, tell me what you did. I'd do anything to ease the agony in myself. Even if you only have some insights, please respond. Since this is non-list business, please email all comments to me at reanna20-+AT+-yahoo.com. Again, I greatly apologize for this. However, I don't know what else to do. ~Reanna reanna20-+AT+-yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 12:17:25 -0800 (PST) From: Freedom Walker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Van & Traning Message-ID: <20000201201725.1043.qmail-+AT+-web1102.mail.yahoo.com> I think he wouldn't have been so driven to help others, maybe not as balanced, he would of course have been a good herald, but I doubt that his gift could have been trained to the depth that the hawkbrothers did. The lessons he learned coming from the incidents while he was with them are what helped him to discover his path. I don't think the book would have been as good to change that part, but that was a totally groovy cool awesome idea! I never thought of that possability. >From the Desk of, Captian Freedom Justice Walker of the FireSister --- Tanya Evans wrote: > I was re-reading the Arrows series when this little > OBMisty came to mind. > > How do you think Vanyel would have turned out if he > would have went through > the same type of training that the other Heralds > have had to go through. All > the classes, then the year or so of sector riding > with a senior Herald. etc. > Do you think he would have turned out different? The > same? and How so. > > - > Ellevaranachai Shay'Nara'Val > Herald Trainee, but Bard wannabe => > Rethwellan by Nature, Chosen by Virtue __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 12:43:54 -0800 (PST) From: "David H. Tiffany" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: ML: Van & Traning Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Feb 2000, Tanya Evans wrote: > I was re-reading the Arrows series when this little OBMisty came to mind. > > How do you think Vanyel would have turned out if he would have went through > the same type of training that the other Heralds have had to go through. All > the classes, then the year or so of sector riding with a senior Herald. etc. > Do you think he would have turned out different? The same? and How so. And what makes you think he didn't? There's a big gap 'twixt Pawn & Promise ya know. Once they get him back from having his head straightened out at k'treva, they could have put him through at least part of the training routine. I don't recall any textevd one way or the other on that. Guess I always assumed that any remaining gaps in his training were filled and he did the apprenticeship like everyone else. David H Tiffany, Golt ort typoes ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 14:37:47 PST From: "toni kelly" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Hello? Message-ID: <20000201223747.34163.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Hello? Anybody home? I haven't gotten anything from the list since mid January, although according to Vanyel, I'm still subscribed. Let me know if this gets through, please. Also has anyone ever read anything by "Patricia Kenneally-Morrison" also published under "Patricia Kenneally"? If so are they any good? Aurora Dawnstar >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 16:36:03 -0600 From: Julia Gray To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: If you could change ... Message-ID: <38975FD3.57393663-+AT+-oakton.edu> okay, cenydd phrased it much differently, but here's my current thought: I wish Talia had told someone about those jokes, etc. I think that they (the heralds) still wouldn't have caught everyone, but I would rather have her be proactive than reactive ... Oh, it's logical with her character, etc that she did what she did; but i think it may have been just as logical to have her start to open up by telling someone who maybe didn't know the importance of what she told them.... *wanders away wondering what would have happened* betha'lis ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 19:06:07 -0800 (PST) From: freddie mac To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Van & Traning Message-ID: <20000202030607.5146.qmail-+AT+-web3407.mail.yahoo.com> hmm, good topic to disect. > --- Tanya Evans wrote: How do you think Vanyel would have turned out if > he would have went through the same type of training that the other Heralds have had to go through. All > > the classes, then the year or so of sector riding > > with a senior Herald. etc. i always got the feeling that whatever training he got after coming back to haven was rather abbreviated. remember, in mprice when stef is talking about being shunned by other bards, van says (goes over & gets the book) "i got some of the same treatment ... since it was savil that gave me my whites, there was an awful lot of suspicion of nepotism ..."(p.87) i think that if he'd gone through the complete training with his peers that people (other heralds) wouldn't have felt that he was unqualified. he makes a comment at the bottom of the page that "...i pretty much proved .. that i'd earned my whites." so, that's my 2c. oh, hey -- w/ the cost of living increase, better make it 7c. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 23:52:59 -0500 From: "Sheena Clintock" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: ML: Van & Traning Message-ID: <200002020453.XAA24580-+AT+-core.greenapple.com> Heyla! Delurking for a moment here.. I hope I don't get too wordy! (: For the Vanyel question: I think that he would have turned out completely different as a person, and as a magician as well. Remember, Van could use the nodes, which was something that no other mages of the time could, with the exception of the Hawkbrothers. If Van hadn't trained with them he wouldn't have been able to use the nodes, which would have altered the course of the last two novels considerably. I have an off-topic question for you all and since I'm posting anyway I figured now'd be the time.. (: There's a joke that I can't for the life of me figure out.. Misty has had a character quote the tag line twice now and never gave any indication as to what the beginning is. Maybe I just don't get out much, but if anyone could help me, I and my sanity would appreciate. *grins* Page 176 of OwlSight: Acres and acres, and it's all mine! she [Keisha] giggled, remembering the punchline to a salacious joke she wasn't supposed to have overheard. Page 141 of Magic's Price: Stefen laughed. "'Acres and acres and it's all mine,'" he said, quoting the tagline of a current joke. Cute fluffy sheep with clown noses to all! Sheena ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 00:57:40 -0600 From: "Jenny" To: Subject: Re: ML: Van & Traning Message-ID: <001e01bf6d4a$cbea4a40$6543c280-+AT+-resnet.tamu.edu> This might be referring to acres and acres of womanly flesh............. I'm not sure though, but salacious has to do with, hmmm, the risque, if you know what I mean. Hope this helps. :) Jenny > Page 176 of OwlSight: Acres and acres, and it's all mine! she > [Keisha] giggled, remembering the punchline to a salacious joke > she wasn't supposed to have overheard. > > Page 141 of Magic's Price: Stefen laughed. "'Acres and acres > and it's all mine,'" he said, quoting the tagline of a current joke. > > Cute fluffy sheep with clown noses to all! > > Sheena > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 09:35:40 -0600 From: Adrienne To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: ML: Van & Traning Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000202092541.00c86340-+AT+-pop3.tconl.com> >For the Vanyel question: I think that he would have turned out >completely different as a person, and as a magician as well. >Remember, Van could use the nodes, which was something that >no other mages of the time could, with the exception of the >Hawkbrothers. If Van hadn't trained with them he wouldn't have >been able to use the nodes, which would have altered the course of >the last two novels considerably. The above is quoted from Shena. I'm going to have to agree with those who said Van did get most of the training that other heralds got. I think the reason people thought there was something wrong with Van getting his whites was that *his aunt* gave them to him, not the whole heraldic circle (or whoever it is that's supposed to decide). Also, the herald-mages may have received much different training than the heralds. All the mages had protoges that they taught instead of the heralds who were grouped into a classroom by mind magic classification and taught together. And who's to say that the herald's also weren't teaching on a one to one basis at Vanyel's time? 500-600 years passed between Vanyel's time and Talia's time. Don't you think some of the training would change in 500 years? I do. I also felt that there was plenty of time for Vanyel to finish whatever required training there was after he returned from the Hawkbrothers. IIRC, shortly after, Elspeth the Peacemaker died and things got just a tiny bit crazy. It seems to me that at times of warfare, some things go by the wayside. I don't think it was the Hawkbrother's teaching that made Vanyel different (remember, Savil had benefited from them as well) it was that he was such a powerful Herald-Mage, the most powerful since Valdemar (it was implied). Anyway, that's my opinion. Adrienne Priestess of OOPS WebWatcher of the Mistic Circle OOUH Champion of Eldan, Daren, and Savil ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2205 **********************************