MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2217 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Tarma & Kethry stories vs Storms by Athena Foster 2) Re: Adepts, firesong, why didn't I get the digest yet? by Elizabeth Hoffman 3) Re: Friendship Ring and the graveyard silence by "Tim and Tiffanie Gray" 4) A slightly fluffy query by Aryn Silvertree 5) Re: A slightly fluffy query by rachelsch-+AT+-mindspring.com 6) Re: Adepts, ... by "John Anthony Kazos Jr." 7) Re: Friendship Ring and the graveyard silence by LCM46-+AT+-aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 23:48:40 CST From: Athena Foster To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tarma & Kethry stories vs Storms Message-ID: <20000218054841.86284.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> Hey, >Someone a few weeks ago mentioned that the magic system in >the T&K (oaths) books wasn't much like the rest of the >Valdemar books. Deleted the message couldn't remember much >about it and then I got my hands on the last 2 storms books >and whoever it was was right. >Kethry's adept manisfestation outside Roald's (name?, >Selenay's father anyway) hunting lodge sounded more like >Sejanes' description to Karal of accessing the pool of >power available to the Masters of a mage school, not >something specific to an adept. Whats really bugging me is >that theres no mention of nodes that I could find in the >oaths books, am I wrong, is this a Mistyake? No, they don't mention nodes at all, because this was theoretically mainly unique to the Taleydras. It was implied that the mages of Valdemar didn't use nodes much until Savil brought back the knowledge from the Vales. You had to be a REALLY powerful adept to be able to use the nodes. Purely in speculation, I might hazard to say that the White Winds School, being the school of the Five Elements, doesn't draw on nodes, because they have a relationship with elementals that accomplish their work for them. So the amount of power someone needs to accomplish a task is based on the level of your relationship with the elementals; apprentice, journeyman, master, or adept. These are of course White Wind titles, and not necessarily comparable to any of the other schools. This is of course purely speculation, but it seems to make sense based on some of the comments in the book. I think the primary reason nodes aren't mentioned in the Vows and Honor series is that the idea hadn't been developed yet. They were written before the Last Herald Mage series, so it's not surprising that there are going to be a few discrepancies. >Swordsworn, were described as being really rare in the >oaths books, lihaireden (thats definately hopelessly the >wrong spelling) hadn't had a swordssworn for years when >Tarma took her oaths. Then Urtho's tower in SBreaking >theres loads of them and most of them don't seem to be >veiled ones (leshya). Well, remember how there are more Heralds born and Chosen when they're going to be needed (e.g. like when there were more trainees chosen before the war with Ancar). I wouldn't be surprised if the same was true with the Kal'enedral. Besides it is over a hundred years later, just think of the population increase of the world in the past hundred years; it IS kind of exponential. >I've really fallen for Karal, I think his better than >Vanyel. Ducks fire from all sides. Think about it his >so ordinarily extraordinary, its what he does for other >people that makes him special. The channeling is important >but in the end his just so cute. Votes for the best male >character Vanyel, Karal, Stefen, Tylendel, Eldan, Jadrek? >Lets see some arguments here. > >Karals the best. > >Liz As far as the males go, I think Skandranon was the MOST male, but truth be known if we cancelled all previous arrangements I'd be chasing after Darkwind in a heartbeat. And just a question, has anyone heard ANYTHING about The Elvenborn? I know she's working on it, but... Any other information would be much appreciated. Athena ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 11:00:49 +0000 (GMT) From: Elizabeth Hoffman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Adepts, firesong, why didn't I get the digest yet? Message-ID: troll wrote >As for nodes, it seems only the Tayledras and Kaled'a'in >use them - bear in mind that Vanyel and Savil only used >node-magic because both of them were Tayledras-trained, >the other Herald-Mages of their time didn't. Logically we >can assume that the White Winds mages didn't use them >either. Thats what I'd thought until I read the Storms books. >Can anyone find textevd as to whether the Eastern Empire >used nodes? Thats what bugged me. When Sejanes is talking to Karal he tells him that the Masters use the mage pools set up by their mage schools which is what I thought Kethry accessed when she became and adept. Then he goes on to say that what makes an adept different is that they use the nodes, though they might use the pools for very delicate work. Tremane and Solaris are obviously well acquainted with them when they set up the self replicating shields on them against the Storms. > Songjewel said >P.S. >How come Firesong's not on the list? *pouts* Er, I forgot. I've never been that impressed by him as a character. I know he's got hidden depths, but people who can and do spend all their time pulling people always make me want to turn round and ask 'em whats wrong with them that they can't make long lasting relationships. Too arrogant? Not self confident enough to take the risk of someone getting to know them properly? This is where the pro-Firesong lot say but his settled down with that Kresta'chern now. Yes but I hope I never need that sort of drastic shake-up Firesong got. Whats up with Vanyel? I sent the message last night, but didn't get a digest through this morning so I checked on the archives at herald.co.uk and found todays digest so I've copied and pasted from that. My email folder isn't even half full so its not the equivalent of the hotmail problem. ---------------------- Liz Hoffman E.G.Hoffman-+AT+-soton.ac.uk Karal is the best. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 10:03:30 -0500 From: "Tim and Tiffanie Gray" To: Subject: Re: Friendship Ring and the graveyard silence Message-ID: <007f01bf7a21$5321d9a0$a006153f-+AT+-ELN0JP9X> Hello Listsibs! Freedom Walker: > I hate to bring it up again but I'm persistant in this > I guess.... > Persistance is good. Freedom Walker: > Has anyone written Van about it? I will if someone > would tell me the e-mail addy... though I really don't > think it matters, I think that a Councelor should > simply pick someone and recreate it for them. Or > anyone who wants to actually DO something instead of > ignoring it ever exixted... you KNOW everyone that got > that ring in the past it made them feel good, it was a > generally NICE thing to have around... I don't know what Van's address was, sorry. But, we Councilors do listen. That's what we mostly do is listen...*grin* The ring really contributed to the overall feeling of comraderie on the list, I agree. And so, with out further ado: (Please take note everyone: Braid of subjects, Extraneous material snipped, proper attributation at top, fluff at bottom so it can be deleted, not too much fluff so that it mucks with Vanyel or paying customers, OBMisty before fluff) OBMisty: As for the Nodes vs no-Nodes. I think Kethry mentions, as has been stated, that Masters must still draw from themselves, they're just better at it, but once you reach Adept you can draw on the Nodes, she just doesn't call them nodes. But she says that you don't get as tired, and you can get bigger, better results, which equates to nodes (or at least ley lines, which may be more likely). Since ley lines would be more common than an actual node (Which is where lines connnect and pool). And Speaking of magic helpers: How many of ML's series' use helping tools, ie Tarot cards, crystal balls, etc.? She uses alot of the traditional components in Di Tregarde books and in the Bedlam Bardz series, but Tannim doesn't use anything like that. Neither do any of the elves seem to. Is it a difference in understanding various levels of magic, much like the Master vs Adept? Although, Di can access instaneous effects when she needs to? Why would she do it one way and then another sometimes? What type of magic are the elves using? The dragons and kitsune seem to use a lot of magic as well, without becoming exhausted. Thoughts? ********Fluff********** A Gate opens into the Hall of Mist (the good Elven kind, not the nasty, weather-wrenching Velgarth kind) and in a swirl of sapphire and silver silk, out steps the Goddess of Elves and Unicorns, hair blowing in golden-red flurries around her supple form. She throws wide her hands and white-violet showers of sparks stream through the Hall, into every nook and cranny, outside to the pools, and up into the libraries and galleries, into the deepest pool of lurker shadow. Wherever the sparks land, the dust and cobwebs that cover everyone and everything disappear. Fae folk, stream from the Gate, Brownies on sheep rushing through the Halls, scooping up any bits of fallen, moldy food and leftover sheep up from tables and floors, then running pell-mell back through the Gate. Finally, with a last flare of blue-green light, the spell of silence is broken. "There, much cleaner, sorry Lorraine, I know you've been busy, so I thought I'd help out." Slender hands on hips, she surveys the room. "Now, where is she.. Ah, Freedom! Come forward!" As Freedom Walker comes forward, the Goddess of Elves and Unicorns raises a hand and another shower of light coalesces on her hand, this one Silver, Gold, and Platinum. and when the stream of light fades, there sits on her palm, a ring, woven of three strands, one each of Gold, Silver and Platinum. She presents it to Freedom. "While this isn't the original ring of Friendship, it contains the same powers, your persistence has imbued it so. So, I charge you with being the first to offer it in Friendship to another, it need not be someone new, for new or old, young or elder, we are all friends here. Rejoice!" So saying, she turns and throwing her hands up, pointed ears showing for a moment and her hair swirls around her, "Let there be song and laughter, discussion and most of all....Friendship!" *********End Fluff********* Wind to thy Wings, Dax the Eternal, Goddess of Elves and Unicorns, Councilor of Mist Mistic Watcher of Continuity, Evangelist of Low Humor, Knight of Fluff NewbieFest: http://www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/pers/misty/newbiefest.html HomePage: http://welcome.to/GrayHaven Art and Writings: http://elfwood.lysator.liu.se/zone47/artists/tiffanie2/tiffanie2.html http://elfwood.lysator.liu.se/lothlorien/artists/tiffanie/tiffanie.html http://elfwood.lysator.liu.se/library/writers/tiff/tiff.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 11:34:38 -0800 (PST) From: Aryn Silvertree To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: A slightly fluffy query Message-ID: <20000218193438.24554.qmail-+AT+-web3706.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1681692777-950902478=:23857 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Heyla, Listsibs,Okay, anyone want to join the Southern Vale, a chapter of Queen's Own based in the Southeastern US? 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>Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >--0-1681692777-950902478=:23857-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 19:53:20 -0500 (EST) From: "John Anthony Kazos Jr." To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Adepts, ... Message-ID: Sejanes (and most everyone in the Empire) has a very self-centered view of the world; when says that Adepts are different, likely he's only considering the standard way of business in the Empire. Being able to access nodes is the test for the Hawkbrother- and Empire-taught, and probably for most schools, but if there's anything Misty's tried to pound into our thick skulls is that "we" does not mean "all", nor sometimes even "most". > >As for nodes, it seems only the Tayledras and Kaled'a'in > >use them - bear in mind that Vanyel and Savil only used > >node-magic because both of them were Tayledras-trained, > >the other Herald-Mages of their time didn't. Logically we > >can assume that the White Winds mages didn't use them > >either. > > Thats what I'd thought until I read the Storms books. > > >Can anyone find textevd as to whether the Eastern Empire > >used nodes? > > Thats what bugged me. When Sejanes is talking to Karal he > tells him that the Masters use the mage pools set up by > their mage schools which is what I thought Kethry accessed > when she became and adept. Then he goes on to say that > what makes an adept different is that they use the nodes, > though they might use the pools for very delicate work. > Tremane and Solaris are obviously well acquainted with them > when they set up the self replicating shields on them > against the Storms. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 23:24:51 EST From: LCM46-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Friendship Ring and the graveyard silence Message-ID: In a message dated 02/18/2000 10:41:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, tntgray-+AT+-sprintmail.com writes: << "There, much cleaner, sorry Lorraine, I know you've been busy, so I thought I'd help out." >> The help is greatly appreciated, Dax, as I am deep into paperwork (taxes/financial aid for the college kid), it's our 'wacky' time of year here--one never knows when snow will fall, thus needing to be plowed, and I am having a 'problem' with kidney stones. Keeping my own home tidy, say no less the Halls of Mist is proving difficult, to say the least. (In order to keep the hall tidier, I have set several super-absorbent mops in the corners, cleverly designed to look like potted trees. Those of you that insist upon splashing water will kindly make us of them in the future! Supplying towels for the wet people is one thing, but you must remember to clean up after your splashing is done!) I am guilty of major lurking, and don't remember the last time I posted--however, I do read all the mail (when and if there is any). I'm glad Freedom Walker brought up the friendship ring subject, and that it has finally been picked up again. As to the question of favorite characters, mine has to be Vanyel--there just couldn't be another, in my opinion, 'tho I do like most all of Misty's characters. Second fave is Tarma, and I would LOVE to read more about her and her adventures. Due to a lack of shelving, most ALL of my books are packed away; my goal is to finish my current tasks and go dig out a few of my faves and have a good time re-reading them. Lorraine Goddess of Domesticity/Laundry Appreciator of Penguins But I'm not dead yet! Monty Python/Holy Grail ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2217 **********************************