MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2227 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: (ML) Van and his continuing "presence" by "Mark Severson" 2) Yearbook by "Susan O'Neal" 3) Passing of the Ring by "Susan O'Neal" 4) Re: Yearbook by Erin Lewy 5) Book Rant... by "Susan O'Neal" 6) Re: Partially OFF by ShadowDreamer 7) Re: Partially OFF by Erin Lewy 8) Re: Partially OFF by ShadowDreamer 9) A long-overdue return to the list by PunkadeIik-+AT+-aol.com 10) Re: Yearbook by Rochelle White 11) Re: Partially OFF by Erin Lewy 12) Re: Yearbook by Songjewel 13) Re: Partially OFF by "David H. Tiffany" 14) Re: Yearbook by PunkadeIik-+AT+-aol.com 15) Re: Yearbook by Erin Lewy 16) Re: Yearbook by Lyssa Rowan 17) Randale and Shavri by moonshadow-+AT+-startrekmail.com 18) Re: Partially OFF by rachelsch-+AT+-mindspring.com 19) Re: Randale and Shavri by Amy Trujillo 20) Re: Randale and Shavri by Erin Lewy 21) Re: Yearbook by rachelsch-+AT+-mindspring.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 07:10:20 -0800 From: "Mark Severson" To: Subject: Re: (ML) Van and his continuing "presence" Message-ID: <002701bf81fd$ef08bee0$20c7e4d8-+AT+-oemcomputer> > > Hmm, come to think of it Van makes a fairly large cameo in WoFury too. > How come Van's been dead for so long and he gets to appear in, and have a > considerable affect on the outcome of, these books? I guess I just can't > understand the fascination with LHM. I say bring in Talia, Elspeth and > Darkwind, or Kero. They need more time too. > Back in the dark sections of the library a grumbling tax zombie looks up from his forms, mumbling numbers to himself he slowly wanders through the stacks to the door leading to the hall. He opens the door and speaks. Remember, in the LHM series Van was given the choice of either going on to the Havens or staying behind and protecting the country. Rather then going to the rest that he so richly deserved (and desired) after his turbulent life he made his choice. He stayed in the forest of sorrows to continue protecting Valamar even after death. That is why he has had a continuing effect on the welfare of the nation. It is also why he is my favorite character. He gave everything he had, and more to protect the people of his nation. Yes, he has Stef/Lendel with him and his companion too, none the less his cannot truly rest, his vigulence continued, helping to guard those who knew him only as a legend, if they knew of him at all. He is a truly noble man, one I would feel honored to meet in real life and blessed if he would name me friend. I've read the LHM series to the point of wearing out one copy, yet everytime I reread the series it effects me. It has been a while since I last read it, now it seems to be a good time to read it again. Very few are the books that are able to reach me emotionally. Being just a few weeks short of 45 I've read a few books in my time. The LHM is definately in my top five list. Having said his piece (and more then originally planned) the tax zombie slowly closes the door and wanders back through the stacks to his desk, a few blank tax forms slipping from his fingers as he goes, mumbling numbers and occasionally dabbing his eyes as he remembers a truly honorable character. Mark the tax zombie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 10:04:44 -0600 From: "Susan O'Neal" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Yearbook Message-ID: <2.2.32.20000228160444.00759710-+AT+-intcon.net> >snip< >Hmm, How 'bout best villain? I'd have to go with Falconsbane, or maybe >Hadanelith Nooo. It's Ma'ar. Without him, Van wouldn't have died the way he did (Leareth), and Falconsbane would have stayed An'desha, he would have made it to the Tale'edras, and that would have worked better, methinks. As to my fav/least fave chars,: Favorite Male Characater: Van, always Van (though poss. Urtho, just liked the guy) Favorite Female character: Tarma&Kethry&Need. Don't like the newer ones. Favorite "Creature": Skandranon Most Angst ridden character: 'Lendel (who I liked, though that twin bond thing sucked) Best Fighter w/o Magic: Tarma shena Tale'sedrin Best User of Magic: Urtho (gods, I liked him...) Most Intelligent: Amberdrake Most Beautiful: Van (Can we tell, me liked Van) Class Clown: Skif (yup.) Now: Least Favorite Male Characater: Firesong (if it weren't for Van's blood, I'd...) Least Favorite Female character: Elspeth (the MW,MS series one. I just don't really care.) Least Favorite "Creature": Ma'ar (he counts, right?) And my least favourite book must surely be the Mage Storms books. I just don't like the huge cataclysm-that-must-be-prevented type of story. /end rant TaTaHaHaHa, In the name of Nephillim an' Dragons Kitanya friend of green Faith Exile fanatic Harper extrordinaire www.sca.org Vivat the Dream \\// May you live long and prosper \\// ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 10:37:54 -0600 From: "Susan O'Neal" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Passing of the Ring Message-ID: <2.2.32.20000228163754.0086fb9c-+AT+-intcon.net> >*Li'nia slips the tri-colored ring off her finger, >and, holding it up to eye level, looks at it one last >time. She smiles softly, then walks through the Hall >of Mist and stops in front of Kitanya. Holding the >Frindship Ring out, she explains, "To someone I >haven't really met yet, although we must share some of >the same passions if we are here in this Hall, I give >to you the Friendship Ring. Sometimes it is given to >a good friend, sometimes it is given to one who we >hope will be a friend in the future... I hope we can >build on that..."* *Kitanya stands, bowing slightly, her skirts of black silk billowing as she does so. She straightens, and takes the Ring, slipping it on her right hand ring finger. "I hope I shall live up to your expectations."* Coool....... TaTaHaHaHa, In the name of Nephillim an' Dragons Kitanya friend of green Faith Exile fanatic Harper extrordinaire www.sca.org Vivat the Dream \\// May you live long and prosper \\// ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 12:03:00 -0500 (EST) From: Erin Lewy To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Yearbook Message-ID: > Least Favorite Male Characater: Firesong (if it weren't for Van's blood, I'd...) > Least Favorite Female character: Elspeth (the MW,MS series one. I just > don't really care.) Amen. Thank you. :) As for Firesong, I sorta thought that in the beginning and got used to him, but then, I haven't read of him in a while. I really don't like Elspeth which is the main reason I've stayed away from the newer books. If she shows her head one more time... ewwww. I can't even describe why I don't like her... mostly, she is just a SPOILED BRAT PRINCESS any way you look at it. I don't know, I loved Misty and Elspeth was the first I encountered, so I am pretty lucky I got drawn in enough to read the others, but it was mostly by the Hawkbrothers and their magic system--DEFINITELY not Elspeth. ;) As for creatures, I always thought the cute little thing Skan found (which I want to say he named Ke'chara but I think he might have just been using an earlier form of kechara in referring to her) was adorable. :) I liked Skan too so I don't have a least favorite creature. My sister's books got shipped today! Erin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 11:07:52 -0600 From: "Susan O'Neal" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Book Rant... Message-ID: <2.2.32.20000228170752.0086a0b8-+AT+-intcon.net> First off, I would like to apologize in advance for anyone who is offended by my personal views. /begin rant First off, I liked the first two Arrows books, but hated the third. (little b*st*rt) I *loved* the Oathbound books, including all the short stories. I didn't like Thalkarsh, but that made his defeat all the sweeter. By the Sword was okay, but I don't like the companion-phobia thing. Okay, I *LOVED* the LHM books, to the point of reading MPawn 3 times in 48 hours when I first found it. I'm still pissed off at 'Lendel twin though, but I love 'Lendel. As to the re-incarnation thing, I think 'Lendel wanted to comfort Van without awakening old wounds, and that's why he chose to stay on as Stef, whom I also *liked*. I *loved* the Mage wars books, 'specially the black gryphon. I liked the mystery aspect of White gryphon, and my all time favorite curse is in Silver Gryphon, which I don't have in from of me at the moment, but, well, it's good. Okay, here's where I get miffed. I really do not like the Mage Winds and Mage Storms series. It's to over-blown, and I don't like any of the main characters. ('cept Hydona and mate, and the little fluffballs) I haven't read all of Storm Breaking, because I just got sick of Elspeth, Firesong (if they weren't of Van's blood, they would have not saving graces), Karal (ugh, he's so pathetic and sympathy causing), An'desha (I like him, a little, but he's so apathetic), and the whole giant colossal back lash form the cataclysm thing. (it's so, so, so.) To summarize, I like all of the books set before Selenay's reign, and of those I like a few. I've only read one other book of Misty's, The Ship Who Searched, which I can not rave enough about. I absolutley adore this book, it is a pinacle of the two authors (anne McCaffrey) emotion inducing glory, from the sadness of her hospital stay, to the happiness-and-other of the last bit. /end rant TaTaHaHaHa, In the name of Nephillim an' Dragons Kitanya friend of green Faith Exile fanatic Harper extrordinaire www.sca.org Vivat the Dream \\// May you live long and prosper \\// ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 11:24:20 -0700 From: ShadowDreamer To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Partially OFF Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20000228112420.0078e4dc-+AT+-mail> Erin writes: >I am on a lot of lists and generally just get a lot of mail. I also can't >filter (in this mail client) by the reply-to address which would be the >only consistancy in all the mails. So, I don't know if this has been >discussed before but would it be horrible to add some little thing like >[ML] to the mails? Most mailing list programs will do this automatically >but since this is run the way it is I don't know if it is a possibility. I'm sure it would be possible, but most likely inconvenient, for each of us to add befoerhand, and it wouldn't always work in any case. (for instance... I would forget. Regularly.) However, if you can set your filters to get the "X-Comment:" header, that contains the entry "Mercedes Lackey Mailing List". Or the "Originator:" heading of "mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk" or the "Sender:" heading of the same. What mail client do you use? As far as the question someone else posed about other forms for Companions, I think they should stay as they are. I can't think of another form that would be quite so useful and appropriate. MorningStar ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 14:08:39 -0500 (EST) From: Erin Lewy To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Partially OFF Message-ID: On Mon, 28 Feb 2000, ShadowDreamer wrote: > Erin writes: > > >I am on a lot of lists and generally just get a lot of mail. I also can't > >filter (in this mail client) by the reply-to address which would be the > >only consistancy in all the mails. So, I don't know if this has been > >discussed before but would it be horrible to add some little thing like > >[ML] to the mails? Most mailing list programs will do this automatically > >but since this is run the way it is I don't know if it is a possibility. > > I'm sure it would be possible, but most likely inconvenient, for each of us > to add befoerhand, and it wouldn't always work in any case. (for > instance... I would forget. Regularly.) However, if you can set your > filters to get the "X-Comment:" header, that contains the entry "Mercedes > Lackey Mailing List". Or the "Originator:" heading of > "mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk" or the "Sender:" heading of the same. What > mail client do you use? I use Pine, and I seem to remember from the newbie fest there are other Pine people around... I am just really stupid when it comes to technicalities. :) And when I DO try to filter it, Pine goes nuts... > As far as the question someone else posed about other forms for Companions, > I think they should stay as they are. I can't think of another form that > would be quite so useful and appropriate. Yep, I agree. Although a large dog or wolf would be interesting, but then it'd be too much like Robert Jordan's Wolfkin... (who are really cool in their own right). Yeah, a big white horse stands out--but then again, every nation has their own little knowledges of what Heralds are.... it's not like they are trying to be inconspicuous and under cover all the time. Heralds aren't the FBI/CIA. :) Erin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 15:12:29 -0700 From: ShadowDreamer To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Partially OFF Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20000228151229.00f92f7c-+AT+-mail> >I use Pine, and I seem to remember from the newbie fest there are other >Pine people around... I am just really stupid when it comes to >technicalities. :) And when I DO try to filter it, Pine goes nuts... Ok, Erin, is this your home computer running Linux or is this a school computer running some sort of Unix derivitive? The reason I ask is this: (I am keeping this onlist just for this message in case other Pine people are interested.) My husband is looking into either finding or making a filter program that will work with Pine and other mail clients that use the same protocol. This filter program should work with ANY header material, although it will not work on the body. That means it'll catch all the strange headers. If he DOES do this, will any interested parties please e-mail me privately? He has created a program called PGPforPine, which some of you may be familiar with, and has passed that one on to another programmer. He is also in charge of an encryption/pgp program that runs graphically, but I believe it also does Pine e-mail. Again, anyone interested please e-mail me privately. >> As far as the question someone else posed about other forms for Companions, >> I think they should stay as they are. I can't think of another form that >> would be quite so useful and appropriate. > >Yep, I agree. Although a large dog or wolf would be interesting, but then >it'd be too much like Robert Jordan's Wolfkin... (who are really cool in >their own right). Yeah, a big white horse stands out--but then again, >every nation has their own little knowledges of what Heralds are.... it's >not like they are trying to be inconspicuous and under cover all the >time. Heralds aren't the FBI/CIA. :) Yes, wolves would be neat, and to an extent better at fighting, but remember Warrl? In addition to the fact that wolves would be less acceptable to the community at large, making it difficult to gain the trust of those on especially the borders who rarely see Heralds...she might not wanna copy the Kyree into Companions! =) MorningStar ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 17:22:41 EST From: PunkadeIik-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: A long-overdue return to the list Message-ID: <35.1ea887d.25ec4f31-+AT+-aol.com> Keren'sel shayana! I have been very neglectful in reading my mail lately, and have not been keeping up-to-date with the list. ::Hangs her head in shame:: So, i now am returning to the wonderful world of Misty. :) I've noticed that the amount of mail has picked up recently, so I'm glad that the list is starting to liven up once more. I know that these have already been addressed, but is there a concrete release date for Brightly Burning or the new Eric, Beth, and Kory novel (does the latter even have a title yet?) Many pardons for such an out-of-date question, but I have a lot of slack to pick up. Second, it seems that some form of the Misties were addressed while i was gone. Were they ever officially voted upon? All i saw were some opinions on major male character. To cast my lot in, my vote would have to go with Vanyel, with Karal as a runner-up (I believe I'm not the only one, from what little I've read ;) ). With that done, I'll end my reintroduction. Pardons for the relatively short post. It's good to be back! Zhai'helleva, �Silve� Knight of the OAM � Member of the CfWD, Albertan division � Co-ruler of the Great Spork Empire � Demon of Page-flipping � (Hopeful) Lady-o of the OoUH, Champion of Skif and Eric � ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 14:24:42 -0800 (PST) From: Rochelle White To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Yearbook Message-ID: <20000228222442.24080.qmail-+AT+-web903.mail.yahoo.com> heyla listsibs, I may have not read all of misty's books (I am working on it) but I think Elspeth is so cool! what I so wrong with the Mage Winds? my least fave charicter would be falconsbane. I simply hate villains. wind to thy wings, Trainee-Herald Elle --- Susan O'Neal wrote: > >snip< > >Hmm, How 'bout best villain? I'd have to go with > Falconsbane, or maybe > >Hadanelith > > Nooo. It's Ma'ar. Without him, Van wouldn't have > died the way he did > (Leareth), and Falconsbane would have stayed > An'desha, he would have made it > to the Tale'edras, and that would have worked > better, methinks. > > As to my fav/least fave chars,: > > Favorite Male Characater: Van, always Van (though > poss. Urtho, just liked > the guy) > Favorite Female character: Tarma&Kethry&Need. > Don't like the newer ones. > Favorite "Creature": Skandranon > Most Angst ridden character: 'Lendel (who I liked, > though that twin bond > thing sucked) > Best Fighter w/o Magic: Tarma shena Tale'sedrin > Best User of Magic: Urtho (gods, I liked him...) > Most Intelligent: Amberdrake > Most Beautiful: Van (Can we tell, me liked Van) > Class Clown: Skif (yup.) > > Now: > > Least Favorite Male Characater: Firesong (if it > weren't for Van's blood, I'd...) > Least Favorite Female character: Elspeth (the MW,MS > series one. I just > don't really care.) > Least Favorite "Creature": Ma'ar (he counts, right?) > > And my least favourite book must surely be the Mage > Storms books. I just > don't like the huge cataclysm-that-must-be-prevented > type of story. > > /end rant > TaTaHaHaHa, > > In the name of Nephillim an' Dragons > Kitanya > friend of green Faith > Exile fanatic > Harper extrordinaire > www.sca.org > Vivat the Dream > \\// May you live long and prosper \\// > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 18:06:42 -0500 (EST) From: Erin Lewy To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Partially OFF Message-ID: I'm running linux on my home machine... :) > Yes, wolves would be neat, and to an extent better at fighting, but > remember Warrl? In addition to the fact that wolves would be less > acceptable to the community at large, making it difficult to gain the trust > of those on especially the borders who rarely see Heralds...she might not > wanna copy the Kyree into Companions! =) Doh! Of course. :) Well, as is the general sentiment, then, horses are just fine with me. I wanted to also address the 'Lendel "twin issue" a few of you have brought up (ooh, my first braid...) Susan said: > Most Angst ridden character: 'Lendel (who I liked, though that twin bond > thing sucked) Okay. I don't necessarily agree that the twin thing "sucked." I will admit that the fact that 'Lendel went crazy upon the death of his twin was QUITE unpleasant for me. I loved 'Lendel, and the whole time I wanted to scream, "No, NO, stupid, just calm down! This being insane thing is way overrated." ;) Then I realized something. Doesn't it (to some extent) make 'Lendel that much more nobel that he and his twin were thus connected, and that 'Lendel cared so much? Granted, he OBVIOUSLY went about it the wrong way, and it's not exactly mentally healthy either. But I don't think that the bond in itself was a bad thing. It really showed me how incredibly devoted 'Lendel could be (in his right mind) and how lucky Van was (for a time). Now, you could argue of course that without the "twin issue" 'Lendel could have stayed sane and been Van's ashke for their whole mutual lives together... I will give you that. But I think, although it was with much pain and trauma, these occurances aided Vanyel. Do you think he'd have become a Herald without all of this happening? I'm not sure. Probably Misty didn't think so. Remember, to an extent, Van showed selfish tendancies (particularly earlier on). Granted, he was treated like sh*t by his family and that can damage a person, but even hurt people need to work on themselves. So, although I was upset with the while thing, I really think it accentuated the good in all of the characters involved. I know that I personally felt Van and 'Lendel's lifebond the most while Vanyel was coaxing him out of the coma or whatever it was... I don't think many of you would want those scenes omitted, would you? Nevermind that taking away the twin issue would leave 'Lendel quite two-dimensional and we'd PROBABLY think of him as, "Oh, and what was Van's lover's name?" ;) Instead, look how involved we are in his character! Erin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 15:05:17 -0800 (PST) From: Songjewel To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Yearbook Message-ID: <20000228230517.27045.qmail-+AT+-web1002.mail.yahoo.com> Well, even though I don't have much time, I guess I'll do this. I haven't been lurking, really! I just haven't been able to read all the list mail lately. Favorite Male Characater: Van!!!! He's always gonna be the best in my book. Favorite Female character: Kero. *grin* I have a sorta sadistic streak myself. Favorite "Creature": Ke'chara!!!! I just thought she was really cool, but everyone seems to have forgotten her. *hehe...once I screamed at my brother "BAD MANS!" and he got really freaked out!* Most Angst ridden character: 'Lendel. Iand I agree that the twin bond thing sucked, but hey, it made Vanyel into a mage (eventually), right? Best Fighter w/o Magic: Tarma Best User of Magic: I'm stuck between Vanyel and Urtho here. Most Intelligent: Amberdrake, definately. Most Beautiful: heh...*eyes glaze up*...ya really wanna know?? Okay, we'll go with the top 3: Vanyel, Winterhart, Nuriko!! Wait, that last isn't a Misty character... Class Clown: Skif (oh yeah. No other option here.) --------- Least Favorite Male Characater: An'desha. He just...sorta didn't have his own personality. No pun intended. Least Favorite Female character: Elspeth Least Favorite "Creature": I dunno...I don't really like Nyara that much. I mean, she was an interesting chara, but there was something about her... ~Songjewel ===== (a.k.a. Nuri-chan, Nuriko's Miko, like I have time to be anything else???) ~Fuu, Nuriko, Mercury, Aya __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 15:52:40 -0800 (PST) From: "David H. Tiffany" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Partially OFF Message-ID: On Mon, 28 Feb 2000, ShadowDreamer wrote: > >I use Pine, and I seem to remember from the newbie fest there are other > >Pine people around... I am just really stupid when it comes to > >technicalities. :) And when I DO try to filter it, Pine goes nuts... > > Ok, Erin, is this your home computer running Linux or is this a school > computer running some sort of Unix derivitive? The reason I ask is this: > (I am keeping this onlist just for this message in case other Pine people > are interested.) My husband is looking into either finding or making a > filter program that will work with Pine and other mail clients that use the > same protocol. I'm using Pine on Debian Linux. I use Fetchmail to download which passes mail to Procmail to sort/filter. No major problems with this setup. David H Tiffany ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 19:57:04 EST From: PunkadeIik-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Yearbook Message-ID: <7e.1ac0f7f.25ec7360-+AT+-aol.com> In a message dated 02/28/2000 6:38:50 PM EST, songjewel-+AT+-yahoo.com writes: << Favorite Male Characater: Vanyel (check out the sig, a'course) Favorite Female character: Talia. A lot of people don't seem to like her since she seemed quiet and almost weak, but when under all that strain and pain, she sure seemed strong to me. Favorite "Creature": Hmm...I guess I'll go with...a tie between Yfandes and Skandranon. Most Angst ridden character: A tie between Van and 'Lendel. Truly one of the most angst-ridden couples I've encountered. Especially if you continue that into Van and Stef's little pre-relationship angst. Best Fighter w/o Magic: Tarma. Best User of Magic: another tie between Van and Firesong. Van because he was skilled and also so incredibly powerful, of course, but as well Firesong, since he'd balanced his male and female sides so well taht he could use both male and female magic. Also, they described in WoF how he made risky and split-second magical decisions. Most Intelligent: I'm going to say An'desha, since he was informed in many different areas (magical, spiritual, mathematical) and could adapt his knowledge especially well. Most Beautiful: oh, Vanyel of course. Class Clown: Skif! Gotta pull for my favorite supporting character. --------- Least Favorite Male Characater: It all goes back to Ma'ar. Least Favorite Female character: Elspeth. I've been warming up to her over time, but I've never really liked her (sorry!) Least Favorite "Creature": Let's see. I'll say Falconsbane. What can I say, I never like the bad guys. ;) >> Zhai'helleva, �Silve� Knight of the OAM � Member of the CfWD, Albertan division � Co-ruler of the Great Spork Empire � Demon of Page-flipping � (Hopeful) Lady-o of the OoUH, Champion of Skif � ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 20:28:36 -0500 (EST) From: Erin Lewy To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Yearbook Message-ID: > Favorite Female character: Talia. A lot of people don't seem to like her > since she seemed quiet and almost weak, but when under all that strain and > pain, she sure seemed strong to me. Talia is my favorite, too. Definitely. :) So don't feel alone! As far as which are my favorite if you compare Van and Talia, depending on the day it may be either or, but she's definitely my favorite female character. Also, I'm surprised that I think only one person mentioned Winterhart (from Black Gryphon). I really liked her a LOT... not sure why. Yet another question (to make this less fluff): The King guy in LHM and his wife... (I want to say her name was Sheri but I'm not sure. He was Randall, yes?): I found it really interesting the two parallels between this couple vs. Van and 'Lendel... Tylendel took all Van had, rippimg him open, to make this damn gate thing (damn you 'Lendel..god, that still makes me mad...), right? Then you have the second couple, with the king getting so very sick, and his lifebonded deciding to give her energy all to him: I know that some objection to that was brought up in the text of LHM... What do you guys think? Was it an okay thing for her to do to herself? I know she's not the King, but I was really conflicted about that. I mean, is it better to lose King AND Queen both at once than to just lose the King? I know that to live on without him would have been hard for her, but Van did go on with his life after 'Lendel, couldn't she have? I'm just being devil's advocate, here. :) I can go either way on the issue. Erin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 21:24:19 -0500 From: Lyssa Rowan To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Yearbook Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20000228212419.006b3cc8-+AT+-mail.marshall.edu> Talia is one of my favorites, too - as evidenced by the fact that my 6-week old daughter is named Talia! :) She's quiet (the book Talia - *Definately* not my Talia), but she seems to have an inner strength to her that enabled her to survive the traumas in her life. My other favorite is Kerowyn - she's got the self-confidence and strength that I hope I can develop someday. Lyssa At 02:02 AM 02/29/2000 +0000, you wrote: > >Talia is my favorite, too. Definitely. :) So don't feel alone! As far as >which are my favorite if you compare Van and Talia, depending on the day >it may be either or, but she's definitely my favorite female character. > >Erin > > > ******************************************************************** Lyssa Rowan Lysandra-+AT+-angelfire.com ICQ UIN: 339194 MAKE MONEY ONLINE! http://www.angelfire.com/wv/Lysandra/banners.html My personal homepage is at http://www.angelfire.com/wv/Lysandra/ ******************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 21:32:16 -0500 (EST) From: moonshadow-+AT+-startrekmail.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Randale and Shavri Message-ID: <0002282132161S.28831-+AT+-weba2.iname.net> Erin wrote: I know that some objection to that was brought up in the text of LHM... What do you guys think? Was it an okay thing for her to do to herself? I know she's not the King, but I was really conflicted about that. I mean, is it better to lose King AND Queen both at once than to just lose the King? I know that to live on without him would have been hard for her, but Van did go on with his life after 'Lendel, couldn't shehave? First, Shavri WASN'T Queen. She was the King's life- bonded. she absolutely refused to marry Randale b/c she didn't want to be Queen. that was also why she freaked out when Jisa married Trever (sp?), her life- bonded. Trever was the Heir, and, as Shavri told Van, she had spend her life trying to keep Jisa out of the line of rule. Also, I don't think that Shavri would have survived the death of Randale, even if she hadn't linked her life-force to his. What kept Vanyel from dying was Fandes, and, as it was pointed out in LHM, no one could figure out why Taver had Chosen Shavri as Monarch's Own. she was a Healer, and didn't even perform the MO's duties. Vanyel did that for her. Her bond with Taver was a very weak one, if I recall the text correctly (sorry, i don't have my books with me). The only reason I remember given as her being Chosen MO was that she WAS a Healer, and Randale was sick. I guess being MO meant that she could physically be around him all the time more so than just as a lifebonded civilian/non-member of the government. So, to answer the question, yes, I think it was an okay thing for her to do. she was going to die anyway when Randale did, so she might as well help ease his pain as much as she could. and even if she could have survived the actual death of Randale, she would have death-willed herself anyway, I think. And wasn't that the conclusion that Fandes and Vanyel drew as well? WTTW, Herald Jacquelle ------------------------------- Beam to http://www.StarTrek.com Now featuring the Star Trek Store and the official site for Star Trek: Insurrection. ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 22:12:27 -0500 From: rachelsch-+AT+-mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Partially OFF Message-ID: <001001bf8262$cf4e8a20$e9fdf7a5-+AT+-oemcomputer> -----Original Message----- From: Erin Lewy To: rachelsch-+AT+-mindspring.com Date: Monday, February 28, 2000 6:27 PM Subject: Re: Partially OFF >> Yes, wolves would be neat, and to an extent better at fighting, but >> remember Warrl? In addition to the fact that wolves would be less >> acceptable to the community at large, making it difficult to gain the trust >> of those on especially the borders who rarely see Heralds...she might not >> wanna copy the Kyree into Companions! =) >Doh! Of course. :) >Well, as is the general sentiment, then, horses are just fine with me.< :::::creeping out of the corner where she's been listening and actually speaking up::::: Horses -- and Companions -- are fine, and practical. But is there anybody else out there who thinks that they would rather have a Firecat instead of a Companion? I like horses. I like almost all animals, for that matter, and they like me. :-) But given the choice...I'd take the cat. Sometimes I wonder about the cat who already owns me...maybe he's in disguise? In that case, one of these days I am going to GET IT from him for having him neutered as a kitten... Peace, Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 21:20:35 -0600 From: Amy Trujillo To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Randale and Shavri Message-ID: <38BB3B02.4A65155D-+AT+-southwind.net> Jacquelle wrote: > , I don't think that Shavri would have survived the > death of Randale, even if she hadn't linked her life-force to his. What kept Vanyel from dying was Fandes, > and, as it was pointed out in LHM, no one could figure > out why Taver had Chosen Shavri as Monarch's Own. Another thought, Shavri WAS a healer and I'm assuming with all the empathy a healer normally has. Being lifebonded to Randi she would have felt every ounce of pain he felt and being an Empath would have doubled that pain. In the end Shavri may have bonded herself to him out of self defense to try to ease the pain. And since it was a lifebond she would have had no second thoughts about doing this, she loved Randi and if that meant she would die with him I don't think that would have bothered her at all. She knew Jissa was going to be ok, they had made ammends before the link happened. It may seem a bit cold but Valdemar did not need her except for what she could do for Randi, if she chose to die with him it was just that, her choice. This wasn't a situation like Van's he was going to be desperately needed in the future everything that happened was for a reason. It would have been cruel for Shavri to have been forced to live with her lifebond gone. But that's just my opinion. Amy Ferret Friend Lady of All Things Missing, Especially Socks ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 22:26:01 -0500 (EST) From: Erin Lewy To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Randale and Shavri Message-ID: On Tue, 29 Feb 2000 moonshadow-+AT+-startrekmail.com wrote: > Erin wrote: > > > > I know that some objection to that was brought up in the text of > > First, Shavri WASN'T Queen. She was the King's life- > bonded. she absolutely refused to marry Randale b/c > she didn't want to be Queen. that was also why she > freaked out when Jisa married Trever (sp?), her life- > bonded. Trever was the Heir, and, as Shavri told Van, > she had spend her life trying to keep Jisa out of the > line of rule. *snip* Okay... I sorta knew she wasn't queen but wasn't sure what to call her... My bad. :) My, it's been a long time. I will have to be borrowing my sister's books over vacation (mmm, almost there.) I hope she's read them by then! (March 12 or so). Erin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 22:26:48 -0500 From: rachelsch-+AT+-mindspring.com To: Subject: Re: Yearbook Message-ID: <001f01bf8264$d08b6500$e9fdf7a5-+AT+-oemcomputer> :::::speaking up for the second time in one day...this could become a habit! ::::: Favorite Male: Oddly, a close race between Amberdrake and Karal. I might be the only person on this list who DOESN'T put Van here. Not that I don't like him, but... Favorite Female: Kero. Hands down. She kicks butt. Favorite Nonhuman: Zhaneel. I REALLY identify with some of her personal problems. I also like that she got over them. I'm still working on that. :-) Angst Ridden: Van. To the point where I want to shake him and scream, or at least give him some Prozac, for heaven's sake. Fighter W/O Magic: I'll have to go with Tarma. Mage: Urtho, closely followed by Firesong (*after* he grew up! ) Most Intelligent: An'desha. Class Clown: Duh. Skif. Wonder what happened to him? Was there a mention about that somewhere? I seem to remember there being a sentence or two, but I don't remember which book. Least Favorite Male: Tylendel. How DARE he use ANYBODY like he used Van? Yes, I know, I skipped some possible categories. I just went with the ones I had actual ANSWERS for. :-) Peace, Rachel ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2227 **********************************