MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2263 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: By The Sword by Robert Martin 2) Re: By The Sword by Megan.E.Daggett-+AT+-Dartmouth.EDU (Megan E. Daggett) 3) Re: By The Sword by Amy Trujillo 4) Re: By The Sword by shana edwards 5) Re: By The Sword by Paige 6) RE: By The Sword by Lisa Whitman 7) Re: By The Sword by Robert Martin 8) Re: Was the server down? by troll-+AT+-netcomuk.co.uk 9) Friendship Ring by Erin Lewy 10) Re: Friendship Ring by LynBelzer-+AT+-aol.com 11) HELP!!!! by "Kenderlyn Burrfoot" 12) Re: Favourite books by "tamlin" 13) Re: Favourite books by Robert Martin ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 08:13:24 -0400 From: Robert Martin To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: By The Sword Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:14:49 +0100 (BST), Nicole stomped through my brain with: >Heyla! >WOW! What a great book! I (Being the Mercedes-Lackey-Addict I am) >COULDN'T put it down! It's too bad that Mercedes Lackey didn't decide >to add on to it and make a trilogy or something because with a character >like Kero I bet it would sell just about as many copies as the first >one! I LOVED it! If anyone has any comments please add to the thread. Actually, I didn't think it needed to be added to any sort of Trilogy. Where By The Sword left off, Arrows of the Queen picked up. Talia meets up with Kero during a training session (Kero being the weapons trainer). There wasn't much more that could be done with that particular story line, IMO. Tristaan Ogre-Monk, ICQ# 14668166 Assistant Librarian/Orangutan, Pedant Target, Chief Brute Husband of Amethyst, Co-Owner of The Ogre and the Elf Violinist for the ABML out-of-practice-musicians band Keyboard Martyr, Keeper of the ABML Cookbook ------------------------------ Date: 10 Apr 2000 08:55:50 EDT From: Megan.E.Daggett-+AT+-Dartmouth.EDU (Megan E. Daggett) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: By The Sword Message-ID: <31484414-+AT+-vixen.Dartmouth.EDU> --- Tristaan wrote: Actually, I didn't think it needed to be added to any sort of Trilogy. Where By The Sword left off, Arrows of the Queen picked up. Talia meets up with Kero during a training session (Kero being the weapons trainer). There wasn't much more that could be done with that particular story line, IMO. --- end of quote --- I think you're thinking of Jeri (as the weapons trainer Talia meets in AotQ). It's Talia that comes to Rethwellan to get help against Ancar, and Kero is among the help that's sent. -wyvern -- wyvern-+AT+-darmtouth.edu http://www.dartmouth.edu/~mdaggett/ "We shape clay into a pot, but it is the emptiness inside that holds whatever we want." -- Tao Te Ching ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 08:01:38 -0500 From: Amy Trujillo To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: By The Sword Message-ID: <38F1D0B1.6216A86E-+AT+-southwind.net> Heyla listsibs, *a lurker pokes her head out of the shadows and brushes off a few cobwebs* Nicole wrote: > Heyla! > WOW! What a great book! I (Being the Mercedes-Lackey-Addict I am) > COULDN'T put it down! It's too bad that Mercedes Lackey didn't decide > to add on to it and make a trilogy or something because with a character > like Kero I bet it would sell just about as many copies as the first > one! I LOVED it! If anyone has any comments please add to the thread. > > ~Spirit-Wind (Nicole Flether, Sharmenian mage, dragon-trainer and rider) I might be misremembering but from what I understand By The Sword was originally going to be two books like Oathbound/breakers but the publisher decided that it would be better if it was released as a single book. Good choice from what I can see, I would have gone nuts waiting to find out what happened if it had been released in two parts. On the question of Rose in the Fire Rose: I think you have to look at it more from a Victorian viewpoint. Today if a woman had lost her father she wouldn't be left with nothing, she'd have to pay some pretty heavy taxes but most likely there would be creditors insurance (hopefully) and she wouldn't get stuck with all her father's debts after his death. They wouldn't be allowed to make her homeless and quite that desperate. In Victorian America there were none of those protections, especially not for a woman. This wasn't too far from the time when in some states women technically did not even own their own clothes if something was stolen their husband/guardian male would be the ones to file charges. Women had very few options, as Rose described she had two choices becoming a governess or becoming a worker in a factory or hospital. For an educated and gently bred woman like Rose it would have been the end of the world. Until Cameron's offer came it would have seemed like she had zero options that were sufferable. She couldn't simply go out and get a new job in the city either the creditors would have been on her for every penny she had. Misty took a fairly realistic Victorian viewpoint in showing Rose's desperation. I agree that suicide seems out of character for her but given the circumstance and the time period its not all that unthinkable. cherry chocolate chip cheesecake sheep to all, Amy Ferret Friend Lady of All Things Missing, Especially Socks ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:14:21 -0400 From: shana edwards To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: By The Sword Message-ID: <001001bfa2f7$11bec500$5f4723d0-+AT+-audrey-h..ntc.off-campus.vt.edu> > >Actually, I didn't think it needed to be added to any sort of Trilogy. >Where By The Sword left off, Arrows of the Queen picked up. Talia >meets up with Kero during a training session (Kero being the weapons >trainer). There wasn't much more that could be done with that >particular story line, IMO. > >Tristaan >Ogre-Monk, ICQ# 14668166 >Assistant Librarian/Orangutan, Pedant Target, Chief Brute >Husband of Amethyst, Co-Owner of The Ogre and the Elf >Violinist for the ABML out-of-practice-musicians band >Keyboard Martyr, Keeper of the ABML Cookbook um.. nope. i believe you mean that the Winds trilogy picks up where By the Sword left off. It is Elspeth who meets up with Kero in training not Talia. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:13:40 -0400 From: Paige To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: By The Sword Message-ID: <38F1FDB4.159B9F69-+AT+-sympatico.ca> Robert Martin wrote: > > On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:14:49 +0100 (BST), Nicole > stomped through my brain with: > > >Heyla! > >WOW! What a great book! I (Being the Mercedes-Lackey-Addict I am) > >COULDN'T put it down! It's too bad that Mercedes Lackey didn't decide > >to add on to it and make a trilogy or something because with a character > >like Kero I bet it would sell just about as many copies as the first > >one! I LOVED it! If anyone has any comments please add to the thread. > > Actually, I didn't think it needed to be added to any sort of Trilogy. > Where By The Sword left off, Arrows of the Queen picked up. Talia > meets up with Kero during a training session (Kero being the weapons > trainer). There wasn't much more that could be done with that > particular story line, IMO. Actually, it's Arrows, BTS then Winds. Remember, Kero gets hauled up to Valdemar as part payment of the debt owed by Rethwellan. She and Darren are Chosen then Kero becomes Weaponsmaster to Elspeth. I've always thought of BTS as being a trilogy in itself. It is, after all, divided into 3 parts, skipping years in between. It doesn't seem like much was left out, except maybe Kero's first years with the Skybolts then her first few years as Captain. I agree that it's a great book. One that I've read quite a number of times. -- Paige Proud Mother of Victoria 04/24/98 and ??? 05/??/00 GO LEAFS!!! Proud to be Outlandish Insert words of wisdom here. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:15:35 -0700 From: Lisa Whitman To: "'mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk'" Subject: RE: By The Sword Message-ID: >Actually, I didn't think it needed to be added to any sort of Trilogy. >Where By The Sword left off, Arrows of the Queen picked up. Talia >meets up with Kero during a training session (Kero being the weapons >trainer). There wasn't much more that could be done with that >particular story line, IMO. Sorry to nit-pick but By the Sword ends after the Arrows series does (Dirk and Talia are the ones who go to Rethwellen to hire the mercenaries.) The Winds series starts up where BTS ends and Kero is the new weaponsmistress. I would have loved to read more about Kerowyn, but I fear that a series of books would have had to be during her mercenary days and that it would end up a lot like the Oath series. I am not too pleased with the cameo appearances that Kero makes during the Winds/Storm/Owl books. It seems to be that she is there (for some of them) just to be there (I mostly object to Owlsight) Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:34:55 -0400 From: Robert Martin To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: By The Sword Message-ID: <2h04fs4fo527t2ctmulk4mdidia4vhkjs7-+AT+-4ax.com> On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 17:37:14 +0100 (BST), Paige stomped through my brain with: >Actually, it's Arrows, BTS then Winds. Remember, Kero gets hauled up to >Valdemar as part payment of the debt owed by Rethwellan. She and Darren >are Chosen then Kero becomes Weaponsmaster to Elspeth. Whoops! My fault. Right, Arrows THEN BTS. I forgot Talia makes an appearance in BTS. Sorry! >I've always thought of BTS as being a trilogy in itself. It is, after >all, divided into 3 parts, skipping years in between. It doesn't seem >like much was left out, except maybe Kero's first years with the >Skybolts then her first few years as Captain. Those would be good, but necessary? From a literary stand point, probably not. It wouldn't add anything to the novel and, IMO, may actually detract by adding _too_ much information. I kinda like the fact that there are things that are alluded to as to happening. It adds a bit more of that allure and depth to the book. Just like reading LotR without reading the Silmarillion. Sil is not necessary to enjoy LotR. It's good, but not required reading. Tristaan -- Robert Martin http://home.ptd.net/~rmartin3 "There exists no dream worth chasing if it cannot satisfy. There exists no god worth serving if he cannot hear your cry" - Circle of Dust ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 22:04:43 +0100 (BST) From: troll-+AT+-netcomuk.co.uk To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Was the server down? Message-ID: <200041022527241-+AT+-netcomuk.co.uk> Jay/Kalen wrote: > >Obmisty >Does anyone know when the third Owls book is being released in the UK? Even >though [at the moment] I don't think I'm going to buy it, I want to know so >that I can read up on it and then decide. > >Jay >aka Kalen > Greetings and salutations to m'lord of the OIB. Owlknight *is* out over here - I got mine(hardback, anyway)from Forbidden Planet in London in January, and I know from friends that Forbidden Planet in Birmingham had it then too. Not sure about Manchester(IIRC that's where my fellow OIB is based?) If you're talking paperback, your guess is as good as mine - I'm not patient enough to wait for Misty stuff to hit paperback :) Muranog Shadowbane Troll Battle Adept of Earth and Fire Member of the Mistic Circle and Circle of Stone, Knight of Fluff, OIB and his bondmate Sable, the giant black war sheep, also OIB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 18:01:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Erin Lewy To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Friendship Ring Message-ID: **Erin hops off of her little lurking-stool in the corner and goes looking around. She's new, and a tad MIA, so she's still a little lost. Finally, though, she finds who she's looking for. "Icewolf, I have a little something for you--because you raise interesting questions, and hopefully you will stick around instead of lurking if I give you this--what do you say?" She removes the ring from her finger and holds it out toward him.** Erin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:42:50 EDT From: LynBelzer-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Friendship Ring Message-ID: Of *course* I'll stick around, and thank you for the lovely ring. *Icewolf lowers the front part of her body over her front paws* *wolfish laugh* -Icewolf :) "They say miracles are past, and we have our philosophical persons, to make modern and familiar, things supernatural and causeless. Hence it is that we make trifles of terrors, ensconcing ourselves into seeming knowledge, when we should submit ourselves to an unknown fear." All’s Well That Ends Well, II.iii.1-6 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:24:23 EST From: "Kenderlyn Burrfoot" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: HELP!!!! Message-ID: <20000411082423.7247.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> ok.... *looks confused* few things here I don't understand... to start with, what is it with the sheep? And what exactly is an OBMisty... I haven't quite figured that out yet. but I've read all the Velgarth books now... Aren't I good? "from the ridiculous to the sublime" Herald Auriel PS: just to follow the crowd, lamington flavoured sheep for all, *g* ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 20:42:34 +1200 From: "tamlin" To: Subject: Re: Favourite books Message-ID: <00cc01bfa391$e3f171e0$4e9360cb-+AT+-paradise.net.nz> Heya listsibs, Tamlin stops lurking, throws another log on the fire, and decides to enter into the discussion :). I have just heard some sad news. It seems that Queens Own is no longer. However, I don't know any of the details; does anyone know anything further?. OB Misty: if you were deserted on a desert island, and you could have ONE Misty book with you, and ONE only (work with me here), what would it be and why?. I would have to say The Last Herald Mage Magic's Price!. It makes me cry all the time, and I can't stop reading and re-reading it!. Vanyel seems to have go through highs and lows, but in the end, to be corny, love conquers all.......even (for a while) it seems death!. That leads me on to a further question. SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT READ THE WINDS SAGA!. Does anyone think that Vanyel will come back as a Companion?. Chocolate sheep to all for listening, tamlin :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 08:28:32 -0400 From: Robert Martin To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Favourite books Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Apr 2000 11:28:57 +0100 (BST), "tamlin" stomped through my brain with: >I have just heard some sad news. It seems that Queens Own is no longer. >However, I don't know any of the details; does anyone know anything >further?. I asked on alt.books.m-lackey (ABML). There are quite few of the old-timers still around over there so they may know a bit more detail. >OB Misty: if you were deserted on a desert island, and you could have ONE >Misty book with you, and ONE only (work with me here), what would it be and >why?. Black Gryphon. It was the first Misty book I read (got it by accident when I forgot to turn in my card for the Sci-Fi Book Club). It is still the epitome of what I consider to be Misty's best writing. The characters are more "alive" and real than in any of the others. And Larry Dixon's artwork in the edition that I have just adds so much to it (I like the picture he did of Skan sky-dancing). >I would have to say The Last Herald Mage Magic's Price!. It makes me cry all >the time, and I can't stop reading and re-reading it!. Vanyel seems to have >go through highs and lows, but in the end, to be corny, love conquers >all.......even (for a while) it seems death!. That leads me on to a further >question. > >SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT READ THE WINDS SAGA!. > >Does anyone think that Vanyel will come back as a Companion?. Nah. I think he's had enough of being "on the fringes" of reality. I would bet more on he and Stefan coming back as Heralds/Bards again. Tristaan -- Robert Martin http://home.ptd.net/~rmartin3 "There exists no dream worth chasing if it cannot satisfy. There exists no god worth serving if he cannot hear your cry" - Circle of Dust ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2263 **********************************