MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2267 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Kurtz/Dryeni ( was: Re: Favourite books) by "David H. Tiffany" 2) Re: Favourite books by TantrisandRolan-+AT+-aol.com 3) Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 2266 by Laura Jean Rossier 4) fave books by Julia Gray 5) Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 2266 by "David H. Tiffany" 6) Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 2266 by "Kristjan Wager" 7) Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 2266 by Julia Gray 8) Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 2266 by "David H. Tiffany" 9) Re: FRing, SomeOffTopic by Syara3-+AT+-aol.com 10) Re: Kurtz/Dryeni ( was: Re: Favourite books) by "Elena Gwynne" 11) Most powerful mage (ML) by Amy Trujillo 12) Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 2266 by Megan.E.Daggett-+AT+-Dartmouth.EDU (Megan E. Daggett) 13) Re: FRing, SomeOffTopic by Ellvenbane-+AT+-aol.com 14) Firesong by LynBelzer-+AT+-aol.com 15) Re: Most powerful mage (ML) by "tamlin" 16) Re: Favourite books/scenes by "Jay Lee" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 07:56:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "David H. Tiffany" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Kurtz/Dryeni ( was: Re: Favourite books) Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Apr 2000, tamlin wrote: > Katherine Kurtz. The latest > book of her's King Kelson's Bride comes out soon (about time!). Arrrgh! Not more Kelson books! what happened to the long-promised "Childe Morgan" Trilogy OBMisty I wish Misty would write more of other times and places in the history of Velgrath, not just stick to Valdemar in Seleney's reign. I've always been po'd at Tolkien for not writing more(or finishing any) stories about the 2nd & 3rd Ages... David H Tiffany Dog fo Sopyts ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:52:18 EDT From: TantrisandRolan-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Favourite books Message-ID: <76.2f123c1.26288aa2-+AT+-aol.com> Heyla all, I just subscribed to this list and was wondering what sorts of things you guys talk about. My favorite characters are Talia and Sherrill(did I spell that right?). I really love the Arrows Series. Well, talk to you guys later, Bye! Amber ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:58:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Laura Jean Rossier To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 2266 Message-ID: > to be a regular for this sort of topic: GGK (otherwise known as Guy > Gavriel Kay). His "Fionavar Tapestry" trilogy gives Tolkien a run for I liked the last one I read by him too..."Sailing to...", it's not Byzantium but that's all i can think of cuz it's kind of set to resemble the Byzantine era. And there's another one coming out soon. It's funny how may authors are universaly loved...I'd write in and say who my favorite authors are but they've all been mentioned! The only one missing is Asimov...but he's really more sci-fi. Still i was fascinated by the whole foundation saga...since the books were written so far a apart in time you can really see his writing emerge. obmisty....errr, i actually had somethign to say but i've forgotten it. Here's a question though, when i was a kid my mom was writing books and I got to help her decide on little things (like a birthday present to give to a niece of a character or the color of a dress)...the question being: Does Misty let little things from her life creep into the books? Are some of the jokes or character names or anything coming from things that happen in day to day life? > > May I mention "The Well At the Worlds End" by William Morris? > Held by many to be the first Fantasy Novel (1896) as it is This is a really interesting topic...I think the words "fantasy novel" are key. Greek myths and beowolf (sp?) had definite elements of fantasy but I guess they weren't novels. A love of greek and roman mythology was actually what brought me into the fantasy genre. Was this really the first novel? No one wrote down all the stories about dragons and king arthur before then? I just wanted to say that even though i'm very much a lurker I really do enjoy reading all the messages that everyone sends. They make me smile and think. So even though I don't write much I do appreciate this list! Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:04:03 -0500 From: Julia Gray To: Mercedes Lackey Mailing List Subject: fave books Message-ID: <38F73363.EAE813F1-+AT+-oakton.edu> besides Misty, of course (btw - after all the desert island suggestions I decided had to read By The Sword yet again .... i think it would get my vote too - although i am fond of the first arrows book.... :-) okay, GG Kay, although I didn't like the Sarantine Mosaic as much as, say, Tigana or the Lions of al Rassan (excellent books)... just discovered Neil Gaman (sp?) - let's see, otherworld is really good, but i think Stardust (sorry i'm terrible at remembering details like names of books unless they are so explicitly from the book that it's obvious) might be a better first read ... I like Wrede a lot, McKinley, McKillip and McCaffrey (i always wondered about taking pen name that started Mc something so if I ever got published I'd be by some of my fave authors). I like Donaldson's Mirror/Mordant (once again it's called something else...) duology... Barbara Hambly's series about, um the dog wizard. .. some of Feist... and for non-fantasy (or perhaps modern fantasy?) I like barbara michaels/elizabeth peters, kay hooper (just read "Wizard in Seattle") and Barbara Hambly's Benjamin January stories (set in a milieu so vastly different from my everyday life that they are fantasy-esque) obmisty ... any news on Bightly burning? anyone have it in hand yet? betha'lis, offering mini-sheep that when petted somehow bring to mind memories of favorite springs .... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:26:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "David H. Tiffany" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 2266 Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Apr 2000, Laura Jean Rossier wrote: > > > to be a regular for this sort of topic: GGK (otherwise known as Guy > > Gavriel Kay). His "Fionavar Tapestry" trilogy gives Tolkien a run for > > I liked the last one I read by him too..."Sailing to...", it's not > Byzantium but that's all i can think of cuz it's kind of set to resemble > the Byzantine era. And there's another one coming out soon. Sarantium. Restored my faith after the disappointment of Lions of the Reconquista, err Al-Rassan. Lord of Emperors is the sequel, already a 2-1n-1 from SFBC. btw, every GGK story has a mention of Finovar somewhere, does this make them a series? 8-{)# > > > > May I mention "The Well At the Worlds End" by William Morris? > > Held by many to be the first Fantasy Novel (1896) as it is > > > This is a really interesting topic...I think the words "fantasy novel" are > key. Greek myths and beowolf (sp?) had definite elements of fantasy but I > guess they weren't novels. A love of greek and roman mythology was > actually what brought me into the fantasy genre. Was this really the > first novel? No one wrote down all the stories about dragons and king > arthur before then? Yes, but those were all set, at least in part or in the author's belief, in the real world. After all, they found bones from Dragons from time to time, and every one knew Arthur was real, he was there in the history book. You can't have fantasy until you draw a line 'twixt real and imaginary! David H Tiffany Dig it, tpoy god! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 18:43:01 +0200 From: "Kristjan Wager" To: Subject: Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 2266 Message-ID: <001d01bfa630$912930a0$bf4f36d4-+AT+-kris> David H Tiffany wrote: [re: "The Well At the Worlds End" by William Morris (1896)] > Yes, but those were all set, at least in part or in the author's belief, > in the real world. After all, they found bones from Dragons from time to > time, and every one knew Arthur was real, he was there in the history > book. You can't have fantasy until you draw a line 'twixt real and > imaginary! Well there are several earlier examples of Fantasy. Gulliver's Travels by Jonathan Swift (1726), Alice's Adventures in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll (1865), and A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Courts by Mark Twain (1889), are all examples of this. Someone asked if we disliked any of Misty's characters, well I hate Firesong (this will bring the Singers of Fire upon me). He is a whinny brat, who should have been killed of early, but instead we have to drag along with him in how many books? Zen-sheeps to everyone Absalon Absalon's list: http://www.angelfire.com/wa/Absalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 12:50:53 -0500 From: Julia Gray To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 2266 Message-ID: <38F75A7D.F2C63B77-+AT+-oakton.edu> Kristjan Wager wrote: > Someone asked if we disliked any of Misty's characters, well I hate Firesong > (this will bring the Singers of Fire upon me). He is a whinny brat, who > should have been killed of early, but instead we have to drag along with him > in how many books? > Although I can't say that I HATE Firesong, he does get on my nerves somewhat ... it seems that all of his arrogance when we first meet him and for a while after that is always deemed okay since he is so good at what he does. I never bought that ... and that's just my opinion (humble as it is.... :-) (i hope that counts as an obmisty) betha'lis who posted twice in one day and now heads back to lurkerdom... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 12:31:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "David H. Tiffany" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 2266 Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Apr 2000, Kristjan Wager wrote: > David H Tiffany wrote: > [re: "The Well At the Worlds End" by William Morris (1896)] > > Yes, but those were all set, at least in part or in the author's belief, > > in the real world. After all, they found bones from Dragons from time to > > time, and every one knew Arthur was real, he was there in the history > > book. You can't have fantasy until you draw a line 'twixt real and > > imaginary! > Well there are several earlier examples of Fantasy. Gulliver's Travels by > Jonathan Swift (1726), Which takes place on *this* earth, not some imaginary world. With the state of knowledge in the 16th century, all the things Swift described were possible. Just like the Arabian Nights stories, an exaggeration of the (then)perceived "real" world. 8-{)# > Alice's Adventures in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll > (1865), and "...such novels as 'Lilith' and 'Phantastes' are set in Dreamland: we are not expected to take their imagined landscapes seriously; over and over MacDonald reiterates that his heros oar wandering through a waking dream. Thus, if we accept ManDonald as the founder of the heroic fantasy laid in invented worlds, we would also have to admit 'Alice's Adventures in Wonderland' (1865) to the fold, as well. And, obviously, that would never do." -From the foreword by Lin Carter to the 1970 edition of TWATWE, page x. > A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Courts by Mark Twain > (1889), Science Fiction, surely? And King Arthur was/is an historical figure. David H Tiffany ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 15:29:05 EDT From: Syara3-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: FRing, SomeOffTopic Message-ID: <75.30b4454.2628cb81-+AT+-aol.com> Congats, and good luck for your wedding. Captain Freedom. Fave top names are prob'ly Elspeth, Kethry, Zhaneel, Tarma, and Jadrie. Haliah is a very pretty name, and not common, "Onto an obMisty, how many of us would have stuck around as Rose did when she found out what was REALLY going on (i.e., that there were no children to be governess to)? I'm not so sure I would have stuck around. Then again, I've got so much family that I'm actually on good terms with underfoot, there's no way I'd be stuck in a situation like Rose's. She literally had no place to go, and no one to look to for help but herself." I also have a huge family but I would stay, come on gorgous place to live great clothes, good food. Why not, Not like Jason was goona hurt her, and I would be able to ride Sunset. B Misty: if you were deserted on a desert island, and you could have ONE Misty book with you, and ONE only (work with me here), what would it be and why?. *whimpers* Only ONE! Last Herald Mage 3-1, I know it's cheating but.... It makes me laugh adn cry, what more fo you need? other than chocolate. OBMisty: Why do you tink 'Lendal came back as Stefan the Bard instead of Stefan the Herald? P>S> FOr any eighth or tenth graders in MA. If I don't post before the next two weeks good luck on MCAS. Zhai'helleva and big war-sheep to seriously maime the creators of MCAS (on behalf of all kids who must take them and then take finals.) Syara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:26:23 PDT From: "Elena Gwynne" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Kurtz/Dryeni ( was: Re: Favourite books) Message-ID: <20000414202623.86493.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> >From: "David H. Tiffany" >Reply-To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk >To: elena_gwynne-+AT+-hotmail.com >Subject: Kurtz/Dryeni ( was: Re: Favourite books) >Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:15:05 +0100 (BST) > >On Fri, 14 Apr 2000, tamlin wrote: > > > Katherine Kurtz. The latest > > book of her's King Kelson's Bride comes out soon (about time!). > >Arrrgh! Not more Kelson books! >what happened to the long-promised "Childe Morgan" Trilogy > >OBMisty I wish Misty would write more of other times and places in >the history of Velgrath, not just stick to Valdemar in Seleney's >reign. I've always been po'd at Tolkien for not writing more(or >finishing any) stories about the 2nd & 3rd Ages... Done much reading in the History of Middle-Earth series? There are lots of partial and occasionally finished tales in there. My favourite is The Notion Club Papers in Sauron Defeated. > >David H Tiffany >Dog fo Sopyts > Finduilas http://www.spiderspace.net/finduilas/index.htm Now updated with new topics and a message board. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:19:01 -0500 From: Amy Trujillo To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Most powerful mage (ML) Message-ID: <38F78B45.E9570BC5-+AT+-southwind.net> Heyla listsibs, This question has been intriguing me for quite awhile...who was the most powerful mage in Velgarth through all the time periods? We have Urtho, Ma'ar, Vanyel, Firesong, and An'desha as Misty shows as the most powerful in given time periods. Van was shown to be more powerful than Firesong and An'desha in Storms I think but what about the others? If Van had lived during the time of Urtho where would he have ranked powerwise? Or had magecraft and abilities changed so much that there is no real way to compare them? what do all of you think? banana split sheep to everyone Amy Ferret Friend Lady of All Things Missing, Especially Socks ------------------------------ Date: 14 Apr 2000 17:50:38 EDT From: Megan.E.Daggett-+AT+-Dartmouth.EDU (Megan E. Daggett) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 2266 Message-ID: <31713360-+AT+-vixen.Dartmouth.EDU> --- "David H. Tiffany" wrote: "...such novels as 'Lilith' and 'Phantastes' are set in Dreamland: we are not expected to take their imagined landscapes seriously; over and over MacDonald reiterates that his heros oar wandering through a waking dream. Thus, if we accept ManDonald as the founder of the heroic fantasy laid in invented worlds, we would also have to admit 'Alice's Adventures in Wonderland' (1865) to the fold, as well. And, obviously, that would never do." --- end of quote --- Heck, if you really want to get into this sort of discussion, a fair number of Shakespeare's plays fall into the "fantasy" category--"Midsummer Night's Dream" and "The Tempest" spring to mind. There are bits in Chaucer, around 1400, that are very similar to what we think of as science fiction or fantasy today. The basic question behind all sf and fantasy, "what if," is a universal one. We've just recently decided it has to have a specific name. Speaking as an English major, I'd have to say that this need to fit everything into little categories is a pretty recent phenomenon. Broad categories like "verse or prose?" have been around for ages, but just think of how science fiction has been subdivided recently--it used to be you had science fiction and fantasy, and now you've got high fantasy, military fantasy, contemporary fantasy, space opera, hard sf, cyberpunk, etc. OBMisty: This classification makes it hard for some writers to "crossover" into another genre. I know Misty's written some science fiction, but I've never gotten around to reading it. And even though I love her contemporary fantasy, I tend to think of her as an "epic fantasy" writer, because the Velgarth books were the ones I read first. -wyvern -- wyvern-+AT+-darmtouth.edu http://www.dartmouth.edu/~mdaggett/ "We shape clay into a pot, but it is the emptiness inside that holds whatever we want." -- Tao Te Ching ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 20:21:24 EDT From: Ellvenbane-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: FRing, SomeOffTopic Message-ID: I think 'Lendal came back as a bard and not as a herald, because he would have inherently appealed to Van's first love, music. I think that Lendal is as close to a Herald as a person can get and not actually have been one... Besides, I think Van would have really started to question the powers that be a little too much if Stef came back as a Herald. And looking at this in another direction, Maybe Stef's grave mistake of revenge prevented his Herald status in another life.... Perhaps this was his penance.... and you are right... the books do make you cry. Katy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 22:59:55 EDT From: LynBelzer-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Firesong Message-ID: <43.36022fe.2629352b-+AT+-aol.com> Yeah, Firesong's character development is one of Misty's more painfully long. But the outcome is worth the wait. Stick with him. He's actually pretty cool in "Owls." -Icewolf "They say miracles are past, and we have our philosophical persons, to make modern and familiar, things supernatural and causeless. Hence it is that we make trifles of terrors, ensconcing ourselves into seeming knowledge, when we should submit ourselves to an unknown fear." All’s Well That Ends Well, II.iii.1-6 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 18:19:49 +1200 From: "tamlin" To: Subject: Re: Most powerful mage (ML) Message-ID: <00a801bfa6a2$9c150800$599360cb-+AT+-paradise.net.nz> Heyla listsibs, I still haven't decided on any Misty characters that I don't like. It is rather difficult :). Someone mentioned it might be nice for Misty to write about places other than Valdemar. I would like to hear more about the Empire, and maybe the new King of Hardorn. I mean, the Empire has hardly been touched upon :). As for the most powerful mage, well I would have to say Urtho!. Ma'ar as Learath was defeated by Vanyel and Y'fandes combined, and Vanyel was more powerful than Firesong and An'desha in Storms. Hmmm. I think, however, that Urtho had the advantage with knowledge, a lot of which was lost during the Catycalsm (sp?). Who had more inate talent though?. Re Stefan the Bard vs Stefan the Herald, I would say that by leaving Vanyel in his last life, Stefan/Tylendel had to set things right, and as a Herald he would never have been completely able to commit to that. Apple and Custard flavoured sheep to everyone, Bright the day, tamlin PS My local library has Owlknight, which I managed to get my hands on. I am starting on it once I finish up here, and I can't wait. I did enjoy Owlsight more than the first book though, whose name eludes me at the moment!. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 06:00:47 -0700 From: "Jay Lee" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Favourite books/scenes Message-ID: <38f867ff.3f.0-+AT+-lookscool.com> Fav book to take to island would have to be Magic's Pawn. The scene with Van and his father in the garden outside his room at Haven. WOW!!!!!