MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2281 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Kero by Brooke Alexander 2) Re: By the Sword by TantrisandRolan-+AT+-aol.com 3) RE: Kero by Lisa Whitman 4) Re: Kero by Erin Lewy 5) Kerowyn's Chronology, Kero and Eldan Lifebonded? by "Abigail Laughlin" 6) Re: By the Sword by winged_wolf-+AT+-juno.com 7) Re: Kero by winged_wolf-+AT+-juno.com 8) Re: Kerowyn's Chronology, Kero and Eldan Lifebonded? by winged_wolf-+AT+-juno.com 9) Re:By the Sword by "Jay Lee" 10) Kero's "lifebond" by Kenneth Allen Hyde 11) Baron Valdemar by dalley 12) Baron Valdemar by dalley 13) sending stuff by "Kristjan Wager" 14) Re: Kero by "John Anthony Kazos Jr." 15) Re: Baron Valdemar by "John Anthony Kazos Jr." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 18:39:45 -0700 From: Brooke Alexander To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Kero Message-ID: <390A3D62.C058ACB5-+AT+-telerama.com> moonshadow-+AT+-startrekmail.com wrote: > On Fri, 28 Apr 2000 TantrisandRolan-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > > Heyla all, did Kerowyn ever go through training to become a Herald? Ordid > > she just get made one because of all her expierence with the Skybolts? I > > don't remember from when I read it. > > IIRC, no, she did not really go through training. I > believe the scene is where she is at the top of a really > high tower looking out, and she is dressed in Whites, > which tells me that they gave them to her, but I > do remember the comment about school....I would guess > that that would mean training in her Gift, as she had > none except the instinctive control she taught herself. > > Hello! Actually didn't Warrl teach her how to properly shield and such? He just didn't teach her any combative mind magic because she didn't want it. I believe, I haven't read the books in a long long loooong time! Lurking back to Lurker-dom, Brooke A. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 18:58:59 EDT From: TantrisandRolan-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: By the Sword Message-ID: <8e.45861ce.263b71b3-+AT+-aol.com> Hey all, I just thought it would be a little wierd for Kero to be going to school with all the teen-age herald trainees. It didn't seem normal.....but whatever! Zhai'helleva, Amber ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 16:44:14 -0700 From: Lisa Whitman To: "'mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk'" Subject: RE: Kero Message-ID: > On Fri, 28 Apr 2000 TantrisandRolan-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > > Heyla all, did Kerowyn ever go through training to become a Herald? Ordid > > she just get made one because of all her expierence with the Skybolts? I > > don't remember from when I read it. > > IIRC, no, she did not really go through training. I > believe the scene is where she is at the top of a really > high tower looking out, and she is dressed in Whites, > which tells me that they gave them to her, but I > do remember the comment about school....I would guess > that that would mean training in her Gift, as she had > none except the instinctive control she taught herself. > > >Actually didn't Warrl teach her how to properly shield and such? He just didn't >teach her any >combative mind magic because she didn't want it. Her gift was very trained. I'd bet that the schooling that she had to go through was the history/diplomacy/etiquette/herald's duties type classes. Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 20:06:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Erin Lewy To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Kero Message-ID: > Also, for those of you wondering about the Savil/Sayvel > relationship....that is also the scene where Sayvel (or > Sayvil, as printed in the later books), tells Kero that > she should come down from the tower. :feet belong > on the ground: she tells her Chosen, which, if you > remember, was something Savil always used to say as > well. Ew, that is messed up...I did not notice it having an E in the earlier books--but yes, I remember that scene and that was when I became sure. :) Erin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 00:31:18 GMT From: "Abigail Laughlin" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Kerowyn's Chronology, Kero and Eldan Lifebonded? Message-ID: <20000429003118.24845.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com> <> Naah, he's earned his vaction. He'll be 'in Bermuda" for a while at least. I wouldn't really care to see him come back. <> She was fourteenish when she left home, near as I can tell... definitely not as old as 17. She spent at least four years with T&K, and left them at, i think, 18 or 19ish, 20 at oldest. At least another five years in the Skybolts before she met Eldan; there was never textevd for any of this, of course, but she had to have been at *least* 25 when she made Captain, which would put her at around 35 when she was chosen and closer to 40 by Winds, Storms, and Owls. A fit 40something, aging very gracefully probably because she's in such superb physical shape, at the "present day." <> No, I'm positive that Eldan and Kero are not lifebonded. Eldan himself remarks when he first meets Kero that she's an amazingly powerful--or at least amazingly well-controlled--Mindspeaker. Considering the situation: she loves him, he loves her, she leaves him For His Own Good while he's asleep and chickens out of saying goodbye, stays long gone for a full ten years with nary a word, ducks out of his attempt to make her come see him... well, I'm not at all surprised that their minds took whatever route available to be together. And in theory, one can Mindcall lots farther when one is in trance... wouldn't being asleep be a lot like trancing, except without any conscious control? They fell in love the good old fashioned way--under extreme mental and physical duress. ;) I firmly and passionately believe this. I mean, aren't lifebonds supposed to be rare? So far we have Talia and Dirk, Selenay and Daren, Keren and Ylsa then Keren and Sherrill in close succession, a weird little double bonding... how many lifebonds could you really expect to see in such close proximity? This is also my reasoning behind my assertion that Elspeth and Darkwind are not lifebonded. That, and lifebonds seem to have this tendency to smack the bondees over the head from the word "go." Rant done. Sorry. My apologies. Besides, I think someone asked Misty about this and she said no. I don't recall for sure, though... Zha'hai'allav'a, Raven Darkblade, Holy Hand of the Goddess of Elves, Knight and Founding Member of the Order of Unsung Heroes; Advocator of Eldan, Champion of Kethra and Hyllarr, Devotee of Maclyn, and Worshipper of Tal Rufen; and Mor the raven, her familiar. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 18:25:18 -0600 From: winged_wolf-+AT+-juno.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: By the Sword Message-ID: <20000428.184556.-318391.22.Winged_Wolf-+AT+-juno.com> On Fri, 28 Apr 2000 16:28:31 +0100 (BST) TantrisandRolan-+AT+-aol.com writes: > Heyla all, did Kerowyn ever go through training to become a Herald? > Or did > she just get made one because of all her expierence with the > Skybolts? I > don't remember from when I read it. > > Zhai'helleva, > Amber They didn't go into detail on it, but I think she did, with the exception of weapons and combat training. Possibly they figured she didn't need training in her Gift, either. --Winged Wolf http://www.crosswinds.net/~wingedwolf/index.html "Pardon me while I burst into flames...I've had enough of the world and its' peoples' mindless games. So pardon me while I burn, and rise above the flame, pardon me, pardon me...don't ever be the same..." --Incubus ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 19:40:16 -0600 From: winged_wolf-+AT+-juno.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Cc: winged_wolf-+AT+-juno.com Subject: Re: Kero Message-ID: <20000428.195020.-318391.29.Winged_Wolf-+AT+-juno.com> On Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:51:59 +0100 (BST) moonshadow-+AT+-startrekmail.com writes: > On Fri, 28 Apr 2000 TantrisandRolan-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > > Heyla all, did Kerowyn ever go through training to become a > Herald? Ordid > > she just get made one because of all her expierence with the > Skybolts? I > > don't remember from when I read it. > > > IIRC, no, she did not really go through training. I > believe the scene is where she is at the top of a really > high tower looking out, and she is dressed in Whites, > which tells me that they gave them to her, but I > do remember the comment about school....I would guess > that that would mean training in her Gift, as she had > none except the instinctive control she taught herself. Actually, probably not--she was very well trained, one-on-one, by Warrl. Since Kyree are natural and powerful mindspeakers, he should have been able to do a pretty good job. > Also, for those of you wondering about the Savil/Sayvel > relationship....that is also the scene where Sayvel (or > Sayvil, as printed in the later books), tells Kero that > she should come down from the tower. :feet belong > on the ground: she tells her Chosen, which, if you > remember, was something Savil always used to say as > well. > > WTTW, > > Herald Jacquelle Plus, in Storm Warning, they pretty come right out and say Companions are reincarnated Heralds, comparing them with Karse's Firecats. And the Companion in on the conversation did not deny it. --Winged Wolf http://www.crosswinds.net/~wingedwolf/index.html "Pardon me while I burst into flames...I've had enough of the world and its' peoples' mindless games. So pardon me while I burn, and rise above the flame, pardon me, pardon me...don't ever be the same..." --Incubus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 19:58:12 -0600 From: winged_wolf-+AT+-juno.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Kerowyn's Chronology, Kero and Eldan Lifebonded? Message-ID: <20000428.201119.-318391.33.Winged_Wolf-+AT+-juno.com> On Sat, 29 Apr 2000 02:25:25 +0100 (BST) "Abigail Laughlin" writes: > > this. I mean, aren't lifebonds supposed to be rare? So far we have > Talia and > Dirk, Selenay and Daren, Keren and Ylsa then Keren and Sherrill in > close > succession, a weird little double bonding... how many lifebonds > could you > really expect to see in such close proximity? This is also my > reasoning > behind my assertion that Elspeth and Darkwind are not lifebonded. But they also say that Heralds seldom find permanent partners--but that when they do, they are frequently Lifebonds. So it is more to be expected in Heralds than the general populace. --Winged Wolf http://www.crosswinds.net/~wingedwolf/index.html "Pardon me while I burst into flames...I've had enough of the world and its' peoples' mindless games. So pardon me while I burn, and rise above the flame, pardon me, pardon me...don't ever be the same..." --Incubus ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 06:14:55 -0700 From: "Jay Lee" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re:By the Sword Message-ID: <390ae04f.e8.0-+AT+-lookscool.com> >Heyla all, did Kerowyn ever go through training to become a Herald? Or did >she just get made one because of all her expierence with the Skybolts? I >don't remember from when I read it. I think she was just put into Whites. That scene where the Bolts go to her room and she is there in her "oh shoot me now" uniform. Also I don't think she and Elden were lifebonded. I think it was discussed when he was made the new go between for the Bolts and Seleney. Wttw. [or TTFN whichever you prefer] Jay aka Kalen _______________________________________________________________ Get Your Lifetime, Free Web Address at http://www.lookscool.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 14:04:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Kenneth Allen Hyde To: Misty Lackey List Subject: Kero's "lifebond" Message-ID: > > Tamlin wrote: > Also. I know we have discussed this till we are blue in the face, but > I got the distinct impression that Kerowyn and Eldan were lifebonded. > They both had the same dreams and talked to each other?. It is either > a lifebond, or they must be very strong Mindspeakers in their sleep!. I'm pretty sure that Misty has said that Kero and Eldan are not life-bonded. It's somewhere in the archives for the list from a couple of years back (maybe 2?). Again, I think this came from one of Misty's Dragoncon appearance. She said something to the effect that Selenay and Daren were the only new lifebond in BTS. That would pretty much have to mean that Kero and Eldan were not a lifebonded pair, since they didn't appear before BTS. 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If I have sent it to the wrong place, please let me know. I only have one question. Is there going to be a story written about Baron Valdemar? Thanks, Jeff Dalley jeffdalley-+AT+-hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 23:55:47 +0200 From: "Kristjan Wager" To: Subject: sending stuff Message-ID: <000c01bfb225$b1d62a00$8c4736d4-+AT+-kris> Ahem - please don't send attachments to the mailing list, and especially not .exe files. It might be viruses and I just delete them anyway, like I suspect everyone else do, or at least most other. If one wants to send out attachments please write about it in a post, and then people can mail you privately and ask for it. This is not a a message which I wanted to send privately, even if it might sound like it. It is pretty important IMHO, and I ask for forgiveness for not including an obmisty. Absalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 18:51:38 -0400 (EDT) From: "John Anthony Kazos Jr." To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Kero Message-ID: I have the impression that it's a running joke among all of the other cultures in Velgarth. My books are home for the summer (3/2 weeks left of school!) but I seem to recall a Tale'edras making an amused remark that the Heralds are the only ones on the continent who don't recognize the special nature of their Companions, especially since Quenten, the Karsite envoys, and the Tale'edras all noticed it immediately upon meeting them. On Sat, 29 Apr 2000 winged_wolf-+AT+-juno.com wrote: > On Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:51:59 +0100 (BST) moonshadow-+AT+-startrekmail.com > writes: > > On Fri, 28 Apr 2000 TantrisandRolan-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > > > Heyla all, did Kerowyn ever go through training to become a > > Herald? Ordid > > > she just get made one because of all her expierence with the > > Skybolts? I > > > don't remember from when I read it. > > > > > > IIRC, no, she did not really go through training. I > > believe the scene is where she is at the top of a really > > high tower looking out, and she is dressed in Whites, > > which tells me that they gave them to her, but I > > do remember the comment about school....I would guess > > that that would mean training in her Gift, as she had > > none except the instinctive control she taught herself. > > Actually, probably not--she was very well trained, one-on-one, by Warrl. > Since Kyree are natural and powerful mindspeakers, he should have been > able to do a pretty good job. > > > Also, for those of you wondering about the Savil/Sayvel > > relationship....that is also the scene where Sayvel (or > > Sayvil, as printed in the later books), tells Kero that > > she should come down from the tower. :feet belong > > on the ground: she tells her Chosen, which, if you > > remember, was something Savil always used to say as > > well. > > > > WTTW, > > > > Herald Jacquelle > > Plus, in Storm Warning, they pretty come right out and say Companions are > reincarnated Heralds, comparing them with Karse's Firecats. And the > Companion in on the conversation did not deny it. > > --Winged Wolf > http://www.crosswinds.net/~wingedwolf/index.html > "Pardon me while I burst into flames...I've had enough of the world and > its' peoples' mindless games. > So pardon me while I burn, and rise above the flame, pardon me, pardon > me...don't ever be the same..." > --Incubus > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 18:53:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "John Anthony Kazos Jr." To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Baron Valdemar Message-ID: Since this is the Mercedes Lackey discussion list, it is the proper place to send the message. I don't think there's any plans for one, though I think it would make an excellent addition (as a historical chronicle, or some such) to an Eastern Empire story in the future. The most recent story is about Lavan Firestarter, I believe. Has that been released yet? On Sat, 29 Apr 2000, dalley wrote: > I don't know if this is where to send this message or not. If I have > sent it to the wrong place, please let me know. > > I only have one question. Is there going to be a story written about > Baron Valdemar? > > Thanks, > > Jeff Dalley > jeffdalley-+AT+-hotmail.com > ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2281 **********************************