MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2289

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: Kerowyn's Chronology, Kero and Eldan Lifebonded?
	by Paige <ppwalker-+AT+-sympatico.ca>
  2) Re: Kerowyn's Chronology/Burning Brightly
	by "tamlin" <tamlin-+AT+-paradise.net.nz>
  3) Re: Happy99.EXE and Artisans
	by Brett Paul Dunbar <brett-+AT+-dimetrodon.demon.co.uk>
  4) Velgarth Technology...
	by "Li'nia Stormdancer" <lady_stormdancer-+AT+-yahoo.com>
  5) Re: Kerowyn's Chronology/Burning Brightly
	by Brett Paul Dunbar <brett-+AT+-dimetrodon.demon.co.uk>
  6) Re: Happy99.EXE and Artisans
	by "David H. Tiffany" <davidt-+AT+-cet.com>
  7) Re: Kerowyn's Chronology/Burning Brightly
	by "David H. Tiffany" <davidt-+AT+-cet.com>

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Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 21:57:56 -0400
From: Paige <ppwalker-+AT+-sympatico.ca>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Kerowyn's Chronology, Kero and Eldan Lifebonded?
Message-ID: <3914CDA4.B7455611-+AT+-sympatico.ca>

Abigail Laughlin wrote:
> 
> <<so umm ya think that Vanyel might come back?
> after the Mage Storms him and Stef were no longer tied
> to the sorrows>>
> 
> Naah, he's earned his vaction. He'll be 'in Bermuda" for a while at least. I
> wouldn't really care to see him come back.
> 
> <<BY THE SWORD: Okay, I reread it last night, and I have a couple of
> questions. How old do you think Kerowyn was when she was Chosen?. She spent
> 10 years as a Captain, and when she met Selaney, she said she was a few
> years older, and Selaney was a Herald before she had Elspeth, and Elspeth
> must have been 17 or 18, because she was near the end of her training?. That
> would put her (and Daran come to think of it) at over 30?.>>
> 
> She was fourteenish when she left home, near as I can tell... definitely not
> as old as 17. She spent at least four years with T&K, and left them at, i
> think, 18 or 19ish, 20 at oldest. At least another five years in the
> Skybolts before she met Eldan; there was never textevd for any of this, of
> course, but she had to have been at *least* 25 when she made Captain, which
> would put her at around 35 when she was chosen and closer to 40 by Winds,
> Storms, and Owls. A fit 40something, aging very gracefully probably because
> she's in such superb physical shape, at the "present day."

Text ev from BTS (paper-back) says as follows:

pg 57, Tarma thinking "She's what, 16, seventeen?" - this is as she's
heading out on "The Ride."

pg 188 Kero to Daren "...I wouldn't be able to do a single damned thing
that I've been trained and working at for the past three years." 
Shortly after she leaves for the Bolts

pg 372 Daren to Kero "...I want to catch up on what's happened to you
the past 15 years."  Just after the mini war with Karse.

She went back to Bolthaven for the summer, the Crown City was in the
spring and winter saw her in Valdemar, so we can assume that nearly a
year had gone by so that's (16)17+3+15+1=35 or 36.
-- 
Paige
Proud Mother of Victoria 04/24/98 and ??? 05/??/00
GO LEAFS!!!
Proud to be Outlandish
Insert words of wisdom here.

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Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 16:20:20 +1200
From: "tamlin" <tamlin-+AT+-paradise.net.nz>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Kerowyn's Chronology/Burning Brightly
Message-ID: <006001bfb7db$90bd2920$03444fcb-+AT+-paradise.net.nz>

Hi all,

Thanks Paige for working out Kero's age when she was Chosen. There is hope
for me yet :). I am still working on my Herald persona for Queen's Own. BTW<
the first newsletter is at the web site if people want to read it :). All
those who have Burning Brightly. Can you let me know what it is like without
spoilers if possible please :).

Also, I am interested as to what people think about why the advances in
technology (steam as a form of energy, etc.) haven't surfaced before the
Mage Storm series. Do you think that with magic, technology was almost put
on the back burner, but with the Mage Storms destroying the ability to use
magic (that didn't affect Valdemar much though), technological events came
to the fore?. However, with magic back, do you think technology will be put
back on the back burner, or the industrial revolution will occur?. I mean,
don't they have something similar to gunnpowder (or am I getting my books
crossed)?. There hasn't really been that much in a way of advancement from
TLHM to AOQ, don't you think?. Very strange to be that stagnant!. Almost as
if someone didn't want them developing?.

What does everyone think?.

tamlin

PS Winter had hit NZ, but I like storms and rain :).

PPS I have just bought a print of Magic's Pawn (I have Magic's Price and
Magic's Promise). Now i just have to find somewhere to hang them. They look
great!.


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Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 13:57:53 +0100
From: Brett Paul Dunbar <brett-+AT+-dimetrodon.demon.co.uk>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Happy99.EXE and Artisans
Message-ID: <hvu5YgBRhWF5EwzV-+AT+-dimetrodon.demon.co.uk>

In article <kg5rgs4edk8dinsr40tki1d41o7eusq9f7-+AT+-4ax.com>, Robert Martin
<rmartin3-+AT+-ptd.net> writes
>On Mon, 1 May 2000 15:10:21 +0100 (BST), Lyn Belzer
><lbelzer-+AT+-cosentini.com> stomped through my brain with:
>
>>Okay, listsibs, we have a *VERY* angry wolf on our hands.
>>
>>DO NOT attempt to open or execute the file named "Happy99.exe" that was
>>attached to the message "Baron Valdemar."  It set off all kinds of lovely
>>alarms in my anti-virus program.
>>
>>PLEASE scan any files you send to the list through an anti-viral program
>>FIRST.
>
>Ah, yes.  Ska.  Nice little bug.  The cleaning process for getting rid
>of it is a bit of a pain, too.
>
>OBMisty:
>Do you think the effect of the engineers or artisans introduced in
>Mage Storms will cause problems for Valdemar?  I mean, steam power,
>new inventions and ways of doing things, I wonder if they opened a
>pandora's box there.  I kinda like the pristine realm of valdemar
>without the scientific advances.

        Being poor in an industrial revolution city, whilst almost
unbelievably unpleasant by modern standards was a lot better than being
poor in a rural environment. Your life expectancy was better your
housing was better, as was your pay, and you had work all year round
instead of being massively overworked at harvest and unemployed the rest
of the time, and the work was safer. Basically the reason a lot of
people congregated in the industrial cities was that they were a lot
better off there.

        The reason it seems so bad from here is that we are, by the
standards of the past, incredibly rich.
-- 
Great Internet Mersenne Prime Search http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm
Brett Paul Dunbar

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Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 09:45:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Li'nia Stormdancer" <lady_stormdancer-+AT+-yahoo.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Velgarth Technology...
Message-ID: <20000507164541.8035.qmail-+AT+-web1201.mail.yahoo.com>

Heyla List-Sibs!!

***fluff***
*Li'nia swears and reaches for the kleenex box yet
again.  Bad enough to have the allergies, but to lose
her voice, too?!?!?  She was NOT looking forward to
starting her new job, and having to greet her new boss
in a whisper or half-croak...*

:I think you'll do just fine.... <snicker>:

*She glares at the rather large black cat sunning
himself by a window*

:Styx, one more bleeping comment from you....:

*He just yawns and rolls over, not very impressed with
her threat.  Li'nia sniffles and turns back to her
keyboard*
==========================================
Okie, long time no post, I know...... but this one
caught my eye, so.....
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--- tamlin <tamlin-+AT+-paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> Also, I am interested as to what people think about
> why the advances in technology (steam as a form of
energy, etc.) haven't surfaced before the
> Mage Storm series. Do you think that with magic,
> technology was almost put on the back burner, but
with the Mage Storms destroying the ability to use
> magic (that didn't affect Valdemar much though),
> technological events came to the fore?. However,
with magic back, do you think technology will be put
> back on the back burner, or the industrial
> revolution will occur?. I mean, don't they have
something similar to gunnpowder (or am I getting my
books crossed)?. There hasn't really been that much in
a way of advancement from TLHM to AOQ, don't you
think?. Very strange to be  that stagnant!. Almost as
if someone didn't want them developing?.

Response:
Actually, I'd wondered about that one, too.  But, I
don't think that you can shut the creative juices off
once they've started working in so many people (i.e.
Natoli and all her fellow students and teacher.  Plus,
the mages have had to look at things differently as
well.)  So I think that if there are to be any more
stories set in Valdemar in the future, then they will
have to reflect this.  Nothing may happen in the near
future, but as the engineers work out the bugs, things
will start to appear around Valdemar and the other
countries.  As far as someone putting a damper on
creative thoughts in that direction.... who knows? 
The Companions helped everyone forget about magic, so
stopping advances in technology isn't all that far a
stretch.  But, that's just IMHO.... lol

=====
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     (Hopeful)Goddess of All Things Possessed, &
 Caretaker of the Arena of Discussion and Dissention

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Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 13:39:33 +0100
From: Brett Paul Dunbar <brett-+AT+-dimetrodon.demon.co.uk>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Kerowyn's Chronology/Burning Brightly
Message-ID: <dvr2IVBFQWF5EwUd-+AT+-dimetrodon.demon.co.uk>

In article <006001bfb7db$90bd2920$03444fcb-+AT+-paradise.net.nz>, tamlin
<tamlin-+AT+-paradise.net.nz> writes
>Hi all,
>
>Thanks Paige for working out Kero's age when she was Chosen. There is hope
>for me yet :). I am still working on my Herald persona for Queen's Own. BTW<
>the first newsletter is at the web site if people want to read it :). All
>those who have Burning Brightly. Can you let me know what it is like without
>spoilers if possible please :).
>
>Also, I am interested as to what people think about why the advances in
>technology (steam as a form of energy, etc.) haven't surfaced before the
>Mage Storm series. Do you think that with magic, technology was almost put
>on the back burner, but with the Mage Storms destroying the ability to use
>magic (that didn't affect Valdemar much though), technological events came
>to the fore?. However, with magic back, do you think technology will be put
>back on the back burner, or the industrial revolution will occur?. I mean,
>don't they have something similar to gunnpowder (or am I getting my books
>crossed)?. There hasn't really been that much in a way of advancement from
>TLHM to AOQ, don't you think?. Very strange to be that stagnant!. Almost as
>if someone didn't want them developing?.
>
>What does everyone think?.

        Actually Valdemar is progressing a lot faster than Britain did
during the early industrial revolution. It took 56 years to get from the
Watt steam engine (Patented 1769 (itself a massive improvement on the
earlier Newcoman engine)) to a viable commercial Locomotive (Stockton
and  Darlington Railway opens 1825), whilst Natoli is already seriously
speculating about building one, this require a considerable improvement
in basic engineering and metallurgy over a fixed engine because the
power to weight ratio needed for a Locomotive is much higher than needed
for am fixed engine.

        We get a very distorted expectation of the rates of social and
technological change because they are far higher in the west than they
have ever been anywhere else.
-- 
Great Internet Mersenne Prime Search http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm
Brett Paul Dunbar

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Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 16:54:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: "David H. Tiffany" <davidt-+AT+-cet.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Happy99.EXE and Artisans
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1000507164802.199A-100000-+AT+-davidt>



On Sun, 7 May 2000, Brett Paul Dunbar wrote:

> of the time, and the work was safer. Basically the reason a lot of
> people congregated in the industrial cities was that they were a lot
> better off there.

Not entirely true. The Industrial Revolution was proceeded by about 
50 years by the start of a revolution in agriculture. As efficiency 
in ag increased steadily much of the rural population became surplus
to production and had to look elsewhere for work, providing the labor
pool for the new industrys. This phenom has continued thru the last 
two centuries with steadily fewer people needed to work an acre of 
land. 

And the people of the era thought the new industrial cites were horrid
places too, it's not just a modern perspective.

David H Tiffany 


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Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 17:06:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: "David H. Tiffany" <davidt-+AT+-cet.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Kerowyn's Chronology/Burning Brightly
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1000507165435.199B-100000-+AT+-davidt>



On Sun, 7 May 2000, Brett Paul Dunbar wrote:

>         Actually Valdemar is progressing a lot faster than Britain did
> during the early industrial revolution. It took 56 years to get from the
> Watt steam engine (Patented 1769 (itself a massive improvement on the
> earlier Newcoman engine)) to a viable commercial Locomotive (Stockton
> and  Darlington Railway opens 1825), 

Depends on what you mean by "viable commercial locomotive." If you require
a public, common carrier railway the 1825 date is correct, however there
were industrial type railroads being built, mostly to get heavy products
(coal, stone, etc) to a canal, as early as 1802. These featured engines
designed to go slowly and haul massive loads but the design features 
of the early steam locomotive were well developed by 1815. Probably would 
have developed earlier but England of of the period 1780-1810 was as mad 
for new canals as it would be for new railways in 1830-1860 so nobody
really saw need for railroads, since they already had a Marvelous Advance 
in Transportation Technology, until they begin to run up against the 
limitations of canals and the canals themselves became old hat.

OB Misty: We haven't seen more than a few passing mentions of water-based
transport on Velgrath, barely enough to know that it exists, I wonder 
how extensively the rivers in Valdemar are used for transport and for
how much of the year are they open?

David H Tiffany


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