MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2306 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: ML Council of Mist / Genes by Amanda Carlston 2) Re: ML Council of Mist / Genes by winged_wolf-+AT+-juno.com 3) Darkwind and Companions by "Barbara Martin" 4) Re: Darkwind and Companions by "Tanya Evans" 5) Re: Darkwind and Companions by winged_wolf-+AT+-juno.com 6) Re: ML Council of Mist / Genes by Sarah 7) Re: ML Council of Mist / Genes by XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com 8) Re: Darkwind and Companions by XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com 9) Re: Darkwind and Companions by TrinityWch-+AT+-aol.com 10) Re: Darkwind and Companions by Songjewel 11) Mb by XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com 12) MIST: Council of Mist and List Refresher :) by GodesCarla-+AT+-aol.com 13) Re: Darkwind and Companions and Genes by freddie mac 14) Re: MIST: Council of Mist and List Refresher :) by GodesCarla-+AT+-aol.com 15) Re: Darkwind and Companions by =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel=20HS?= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 00:38:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Amanda Carlston To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: ML Council of Mist / Genes Message-ID: <20000525073819.24624.qmail-+AT+-web1611.mail.yahoo.com> Heya, everyone! I doubt if anyone around here remembers me, since I was last on the list about 2 years or so ago. I just finally found a way to get back in. :) > One of the Councilors had mentioned to the lot of > us about the gene and > hereditary possibility towards magic, the Mage Gift, > etc. Questions that can > arise from this are: > > Do you think that the Mage Gift, ~in ML's books~, > is something defined by > genes, or something defined by the person themself? I think it may be a bit of both. Many of our abilities are predetermined by genes, like the ability to roll one's tongue, or half a dozen other things. However, I believe that it takes a certain mindset for us to use whatever gifts we are given to the fullest extent. It's good to be back. ~_^ Ashandra (Who has forgotten all her previous titles and such. Does the Order of Unsung Heroes still exist?) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:00:17 -0600 From: winged_wolf-+AT+-juno.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: ML Council of Mist / Genes Message-ID: <20000525.111716.-212811.3.Winged_Wolf-+AT+-juno.com> On Thu, 25 May 2000 04:44:46 +0100 (BST) "Peter Allen" writes: > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > One of the Councilors had mentioned to the lot of us about the > gene and > hereditary possibility towards magic, the Mage Gift, etc. Questions > that can > arise from this are: > > Do you think that the Mage Gift, ~in ML's books~, is something > defined by > genes, or something defined by the person themself? Genetics...it's considered to be a Gift, just as the other Gifts are--and Gifts are discovered in a person, not trained up from nothing. A person does not acquire new Gifts unless they were already there and latent, or something extraordinary happens. > If you do believe that a person's Gift is defined by genes, would > that > also include the magnitude of that Gift? Yes. --Winged Wolf http://www.crosswinds.net/~wingedwolf/index.html "Pardon me while I burst into flames...I've had enough of the world and its' peoples' mindless games. So pardon me while I burn, and rise above the flame, pardon me, pardon me...don't ever be the same..." --Incubus ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 23:27:54 +0100 From: "Barbara Martin" To: Subject: Darkwind and Companions Message-ID: <000801bfc66f$232a2fa0$2057883e-+AT+-master> Hi all! I know I haven't posted in ages, but there is one thing that has been niggling at me for ages. How come Darkwind never got Chosen? If a brattish kid like Daren can get Chosen (yes, I know he matured a lot etc etc but he really was a brattish kid in BtS), how come someone as wonderful and honourable as Darkwind doesn't? Surely he could benefit from having a Companion as a mage, and he is certainly doing a lot to help Valdemar. Any thoughts? Wind to thy wings, ~Babs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 14:56:08 -0400 From: "Tanya Evans" To: Subject: Re: Darkwind and Companions Message-ID: <000e01bfc67a$e30182a0$23040618-+AT+-baycty1.mi.home.com> >From: "Barbara Martin" > How come Darkwind never got Chosen? I think it had something to do with the fact that he was already bonded to Vree. There have been quite a few honorable Tal'eydras (as well as others i.e Karel,) to show up in Haven and none of them were chosen either. Just my opinion. Ellevaranachai Shay'Nara'Val Herald Trainee, but Bard wannabe => Rethwellan by Nature, Chosen by Virtue ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 12:42:18 -0600 From: winged_wolf-+AT+-juno.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Darkwind and Companions Message-ID: <20000525.125747.-212811.24.Winged_Wolf-+AT+-juno.com> On Thu, 25 May 2000 19:24:33 +0100 (BST) "Barbara Martin" writes: > Hi all! > I know I haven't posted in ages, but there is one thing that has > been > niggling at me for ages. How come Darkwind never got Chosen? If a > brattish > kid like Daren can get Chosen (yes, I know he matured a lot etc etc > but he > really was a brattish kid in BtS), how come someone as wonderful and > honourable as Darkwind doesn't? Surely he could benefit from having > a > Companion as a mage, and he is certainly doing a lot to help > Valdemar. > Any thoughts? > Wind to thy wings, > ~Babs He has a bondbird, and he's devoted to the Star-Eyed. Probably the latter more than the former is the reason. They've also never chosen any other Tayledras or Shin'a'in. --Winged Wolf http://www.crosswinds.net/~wingedwolf/index.html "Pardon me while I burst into flames...I've had enough of the world and its' peoples' mindless games. So pardon me while I burn, and rise above the flame, pardon me, pardon me...don't ever be the same..." --Incubus ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:06:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Sarah To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: ML Council of Mist / Genes Message-ID: <22543314.959285212003.JavaMail.imail-+AT+-magic.excite.com> Bright the day Listsibs!! *Fluff* Moonstalker shifts the huuuuuuuge pile of paper that has mounted around her, stands up and streches. "Man, my hair has certainly grown!!!" she spots a crowd of newbies talking in hushed voices and glancing nervously at the many bodys leant up against the sides of the hall. "ahahahaha, time for me to weild my (loaned) bucket!!" she creeps stealthily towards them bucket in hand and throws a stream of water directly onto the newbies. "score!!" "welcome newbies to the halls of mist! i'm sorrie i don't know all your names (bad delete button) but welcome, bienvenue, wilkomen etc etc. please make sure that you clean up after yourselves" she grins as she hands out fluffy sheep shaped towels to all "the councilors and caretakers get annoyed when we go throwing huge great buckets of water everywhere without cleaning up." *end fluff* wow it certainly has been long enough since i posted last! not as long as some lurkers i could mention *cough couch* but certainly too long for my liking. I am finaly on mid term break and then i have 7 weeks until school finishes for summer. which leads onto my next bit of fantabulmungously excelent news. it is only 61 days until i get to see my dearest friend in the whole world (i mean whole in the largest sense as I live in England and she in America), my she'enedra BRYNN YAYAYAY i'm sorrie but i am soo happy! now back on topic > One of the Councilors had mentioned to the lot of us about the gene and > hereditary possibility towards magic, the Mage Gift, etc. Questions that can > arise from this are: > > Do you think that the Mage Gift, ~in ML's books~, is something defined by > genes, or something defined by the person themself? Well in MPRICE Van talks to Stef about his kids, (don't look now but i have textevd for this!!!) and says that Jisa has mage gift in potential, Brightstar has all his gifts, so does Featherfire and his other child has none - even in potential. This doesn't actually prove or disprove that the mage gift is passed on but it does make it seem more likely. Another incident is in WofChange when Firesong tells Elspeth and Darkwind that he has inherited more than just his astonishing mage gift from Vanyel, but that he's shaych too. I am pretty damn sure that being shaych is not in your genes, merely your personal preferences, but the mage gift... hmmm, i'm really not too sure. > If you do believe that a person's Gift is defined by genes, would that > also include the magnitude of that Gift? Well, i think that genes/gift may have some connection but I don't think that they are related in the way of magnitude. Elspeth, for example has the gift, and she is a disendant of Van but the doesn't have, by any means, the extent of powers that he has. but then Firesong and Brightstar do. hmmm again, what do others think? Wow, what a looooong post (well long for me anyways) I had best go now before i send you all to sleep *looks pointedly at some who already are* Zhai'helleva Moonstalker :) She'enedra to Brynn Temporary Carrier of The Enchanted Bucket #2 TM "Friends, however distant, are always present." - Cicero _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 17:32:13 EDT From: XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: ML Council of Mist / Genes Message-ID: In a message dated 5/24/00 10:38:22 PM Central Daylight Time, minterra-+AT+-yahoo.com writes: << Do you think that the Mage Gift, ~in ML's books~, is something defined by genes, or something defined by the person themself? If you do believe that a person's Gift is defined by genes, would that also include the magnitude of that Gift? If you do not believe that a person's Gift is defined by genes, what do you believe it is that regulates the Gift(s) and its(their) magnitude? >> I think that Misty best show that in the books magic pawn or prince the frist one in the LastHm books. When Van''s aunt comes to the keep the frist thing she dose is cheek the childen for any magic gifts that had not show up yet. And no of them did. She had said that it was a pitty that on of her gifts where in any of the childen. So I think that made it is in the genes of the person though I dont know how. But as me being the silly person I am I hope that the Gifts would be based on how the person was not what family they come from. Thanks Shadow ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 17:38:10 EDT From: XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Darkwind and Companions Message-ID: <2b.62ade0b.265ef742-+AT+-aol.com> In a message dated 5/25/00 1:18:22 PM Central Daylight Time, Barbara-+AT+-joymartin.freeserve.co.uk writes: << Hi all! I know I haven't posted in ages, but there is one thing that has been niggling at me for ages. How come Darkwind never got Chosen? If a brattish kid like Daren can get Chosen (yes, I know he matured a lot etc etc but he really was a brattish kid in BtS), how come someone as wonderful and honourable as Darkwind doesn't? Surely he could benefit from having a Companion as a mage, and he is certainly doing a lot to help Valdemar. Any thoughts? Wind to thy wings, ~Babs >> I think that one of the reson that Darkwind did not get chosen is because of something that Misty said in her book, Storm rissing I think it was. That the herald Tayledras, and prist of karse here all the some in many ways. And that the Campions the heralds had where in the some in everyway to the cats of the prist of Karse and the birdbones of the Tayledras. So if you think about it that way he was chosen. :) thanks Shadow ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 17:52:03 EDT From: TrinityWch-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Darkwind and Companions Message-ID: In a message dated 5/25/00 2:18:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Barbara-+AT+-joymartin.freeserve.co.uk writes: << How come Darkwind never got Chosen? If a brattish kid like Daren can get Chosen (yes, I know he matured a lot etc etc but he really was a brattish kid in BtS), how come someone as wonderful and honourable as Darkwind doesn't? Surely he could benefit from having a Companion as a mage, and he is certainly doing a lot to help Valdemar. Any thoughts? >> Well, there could be several reasons actually. When you think of the greater picture, Companions rarely ever choose anyone that has any obligations that would cause conflicts. For example, Daran is a second son in Rethwallen and his brother is a very healthy and good person, therefore Daran is not needed in Rethwallen and pretty much at loose ends. Also keep in mind that he was not chosen until he was in his 30s. Darkwind on the other hand has an obligation, not only for himself, but the land that he has sworn to heal. At the present the Tayledras can spare him but in the long run, if he was called back, he would have to go back. His presense in Valdemar is of an official capacity as Ambassador of sorts and as a teacher to mages that are "coming out of the woodwork". Also, his bond to Vree might cause conflicts but I doubt very many. Keep in mind that I haven't read the books in awhile and have read a ton of stuff since. I really don't absorb the books til the second time I read them. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 17:27:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Songjewel To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Darkwind and Companions Message-ID: <20000526002706.5438.qmail-+AT+-web1006.mail.yahoo.com> >> How come Darkwind never got Chosen? >I think it had something to do with the fact that he >was already bonded >to >Vree. There have been quite a few honorable >Tal'eydras (as well as >others >i.e Karel,) to show up in Haven and none of them were >chosen either. >Just my opinion. If you think about it, anyone who had an actual devotion to the diety of their country never got Chosen. Karal was a Priest, and the Tayledras have a close bond with the Star-eyed, as well as the Shin'a'in. Also, people like Tylendal who already had a deep bond with someone, like a twin or a lifebond have been Chosen. I don't know if this suggests that those are different kinds of Bonds or not, but people can have multiple Bondbirds, so why not a bird and a Companion? I think it probably has more to do with the cultural and religious devotion; remember, Companions don't Choose those with other obligations, such as being the heir, even if they are Valdemaran. Darkwind had an obligation to his clan. ~Nuri-chan ===== (a.k.a. Nuri-chan, Nuriko's Miko, like I have time to be anything else???) ~Fuu, Nuriko, Mercury, Aya __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 21:19:08 EDT From: XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Mb Message-ID: <84.5c17bad.265f2b0c-+AT+-aol.com> In firebrid muscle there is a spot where they talk about a Misty Message Board, I was wondering if anyone could give me a link or something. Thanks Shadow ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 21:57:07 EDT From: GodesCarla-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: MIST: Council of Mist and List Refresher :) Message-ID: <99.54faaae.265f33f3-+AT+-aol.com> Hi everyone, We here at the Council of Mist wanted to let you all know that we still exist, and that we still actively read the list, even if we don't post. We wanted to send out a list-wide post to refresh everyone on who we are, as well as the addresses of various documents that might be helpful for list etiquette. Below is a list of helpful documents pertaining to the list: Auntie Mel's Rules of Thumb: http://www.herald.co.uk/local_info/rules_thumb.html A helpful and brief introduction to list etiquette. The Newbie Fest: http://www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/pers/misty/newbiefest.html An amusing, more detailed document that discusses list etiquette as well as list traditions and an expanded description of the Council of Mist. A must-read for all newbies! Frequently Asked Questions: http://www.herald.co.uk/local_info/lackey_faq.html List information, as well as how to subscribe, unsubscribe, put the list in digest format, etc. For anyone who doesn't know, the Council of Mist is an official group of List-Members who have been authorized by Melanie Dymond Harper, the list owner, to help regulate the Mercedes-Lackey mailing list. The Councilors remind people of the rules of the list and offer help to new list-members when it is needed. They are also willing to answer questions about appropriateness of postings, etc. Members of the Council can be identified by the title "Councilor of Mist"...in their signature files... Official postings from the Council or from a Councilor usually have "MIST" in the subject line and all list-members should read these postings... The Council strives to make the Mercedes Lackey mailing list a more amicable and enjoyable place. [Quoted from the Newbie Fest] Currently, the members of the Council are: "Meg" "Deniz Sarikaya" "Cennydd" "Carla" "True" "Dax" "Wintershard" "Ele" If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to email any of us and we will get back to you with whatever help we provide. We realize that we haven't been very active in posting to the list at large, but we want you to know that we're still here. :) That's all for now...we now return you to your regularly scheduled list discussions! Zhai'helleva, Carla, representing the entire Council of Mist ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 19:17:13 -0700 (PDT) From: freddie mac To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Darkwind and Companions and Genes Message-ID: <20000526021713.22816.qmail-+AT+-web3406.mail.yahoo.com> hi -- just a few thoughts on these topics. first, on darkwind not being chosen -- he already has obligations to kal'enel (the star eyed). text ved from winds of change (pg. 36): "There is a price to be paid for what you ask, and that price is your lives and your freedom. ... You shall cleanse the land you hold -- and then you shall move on ... All of your children that are Mage-Gifted shall follow this path. All who are not shall guard and aid those who are." now this doesn't mean that there *couldn't* be a tayledras or shin'a'in herald (shin'a'in have similar obligations from when the dorshia plains were restored), just that it would be a monumentous occasion. existing obligations also applies to karal: he has already been chosen by vkandis via altra as shown in storm warning (pg. 383):"I had to choose, and I was sent for you, so I had to choose you." is the mage gift genetic? well, on a larger forum, are *gifts* genetic? i vote "yes." remeber in mpawn that savil had tested her nieces & nephews. since she was a mage, she certainly expected that her brother and sister-in-law might produce gifted or mage-gifted children. none of the children had anything active, but mekeal went on to father two gifted children (medren & the herald). makes me wonder if the if the genes aren't recessive? we could argue further that gifts as a whole would crop up in certain families repeatedly over time, and that if some families were so highly *gifted*, then there may also be families of very nice people who are headblind (not a chance in flaming sheep of producing a gifted child). now, if some enterprising families noticed this and felt that they were getting the short end of the stick because of soemthing they couldn't change ... also, my personal theory is that gifted people would be more likely to have children with other gifted people, thus refining the gifted population (& reinforcing my theory of recessive genes). i'm not trying to sound snobbish, but it makes sense to me that a gifted person would feel more comfortable with people who understand the obligations that come with a gift (or several) than the ordinary run-of-the-mill person, who doesn't understand why heralds have deathwishes, or why healers find disease so exciting, or how bards can find a hunk of wood so attractive! :) freddie __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 00:25:15 EDT From: GodesCarla-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: MIST: Council of Mist and List Refresher :) Message-ID: <63.618b5c5.265f56ab-+AT+-aol.com> Hi all, Carla here again. I made two large mistakes in listing the current Councilors of Mist. In a message dated 5/25/00 6:57:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, GodesCarla writes: << Currently, the members of the Council are: "Meg" "Deniz Sarikaya" "Cennydd" "Carla" "True" "Dax" "Wintershard" "Ele" >> "Deniz Sarikaya" is no longer a member (she had to leave because real life intervened). We added "Yvonne" . Also, Wintershard's address has changed. It is now . Sorry about the confusion, everyone. WTTW, Carla ~*Councilor of Mist*~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 11:08:15 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel=20HS?= To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Darkwind and Companions Message-ID: <20000526100816.6894.qmail-+AT+-web4304.mail.yahoo.com> *Delurking, and looking around nervously for another bucket of water...* How correct are the stories in 'Sword of Ice'? Long time since I read it, but wasn't there a story in there, about a girl who wanted to be Chosen, but wasn't? Apperently this was because she was already a good person, and Valdemar wouldn't benefit if she was Chosen because she wouldn't do any more good than she already did... Would that sort of argument apply to Darkwind? (As well as him having other obligations, and a bondbird etc...) *wondering what sort of sheep to distribute* Rachel --- Songjewel wrote: > >> How come Darkwind never got Chosen? ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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