MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2313 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Companions to Choose and Not to Choose by Pyrephox18-+AT+-aol.com 2) Re: Answer to the Talia as Sunpriest and BURNING SPOILERS by winged_wolf-+AT+-juno.com 3) Recycled Names by Sara Peek 4) Re: Darkwind by Paige 5) Re: Genetics and Magic by kat1-+AT+-austin.rr.com 6) Paige's .sig (was RE: Darkwind) by Lyn Belzer 7) RE: Genetics and Magic WARNING STORMS AND MAGIC'S PRICE SPOILERS by Lyn Belzer 8) RE: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 2312 by Cariad 9) Re: Recycled Names by T Stafford 10) Iftel by Lyn Belzer 11) Re: Genetics and Magic by XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com 12) Re: Companions to Choose and Not to Choose - BURNING SPOILERS by XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com 13) BRIGHTLY BURNING SPECULATION by Lyn Belzer 14) Re: Recycled Names by XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com 15) Cool Deities by Lyn Belzer 16) Vkandis and Companions by Lyn Belzer 17) Re: BRIGHTLY BURNING SPECULATION by XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com 18) ML: Misty's names by moonshadow-+AT+-startrekmail.com 19) Re: ML: Misty's names by troll-+AT+-netcomuk.co.uk 20) Firecats by Kenneth Allen Hyde 21) Re: Recycled Names by Eugene McDougall 22) Nobles being chosen by Tessa Raethen 23) RE: Firecats by Lyn Belzer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 09:16:13 EDT From: Pyrephox18-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Companions to Choose and Not to Choose Message-ID: <6a.358509c.2667bc1d-+AT+-aol.com> In a message dated 6/1/00 8:46:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com writes: << So the question becomes - does having a non-Healing, non-Bardic gift in significant measure guarantee a Companion in one's future? NO because in the book swords of ice there is a tail in it about vanyel and a lover. The lover had the gifts but he was only a groud in the army. >> ::Delurk:: There's also the Weatherwitch from Arrow's Flight... although since she was insane for a while, that may not be the best example. Just my two cents on the Choosing issue... I think there are three main things that determine whether you get chosen or not: 1. Gifts. Doesn't it say in one of the books (maybe Arrows of the Queen) that you *have* to have at least a bit of a Gift to be Chosen? 2. Personality, or the "Heraldic Suicidal Streak" as some of my friends have called it. you've gotta have that special mindset that you're willing to lay down your life to help others, although I'm pretty sure the Companion Bond enhances this aspect of personality as well the Chosen's Gifts. 3. (This is where I get dicey...) I think, to be Chosen, you have to be in a position where you are wasted, otherwise. Think about it... there seem to be a preponderance of abused, endangered, or peer disdained children Chosen. Talia, Skif, Vanyel, whatshisface from Arrows (the kid from OutKingdom), and a couple of others that I can think of. And in the second Owl book, there seems to be a pretty strong hint that the Healer girl was about be Chosen, until she rejected the idea, citing all the things that she had to do in the Grove. Whereupon her sister was chosen... who otherwise would have led a very ordinary (well, for the Grove, anyway) life, and never been able to use her gift of Foresight to help. Tylendel was slowly going insane when *he* was chosen... and Vanyel was pretty much there when he was Chosen. In "Sword of Ice" the old lady who was chosen was just coming to the realisation that there was nothing else she could do for her family... she was no longer needed there. ::shrug:: Just a theory, anyway. Pyrephox ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 19:51:57 -0600 From: winged_wolf-+AT+-juno.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Answer to the Talia as Sunpriest and BURNING SPOILERS Message-ID: <20000601.084602.-492113.2.Winged_Wolf-+AT+-juno.com> On Wed, 31 May 2000 18:45:51 +0100 (BST) "Hill, Susan" > I think Talia was unique for this role (in the PR respects) because > A: She > was Queen's Own, the highest non-royal Herald in Valdemar, AND (most > importantly!!!) she was Holderkin and therefore familiar with, if > not raised > practicing religion very similar to the Karsites. Yeah, she helped > cement > the public image in Karse of "white demons aren't demons, they are > stamped > approved by the Sun God." But I don't think they would have done it > with any > other Herald - it just happened that Talia was a perfect fit for the > role > because she was Holderkin and high ranking (and female to boot.) Actually, this is yet another bit of evidence for the idea that Vkandis is the god that created the Companions in the first place. It seemed to me that the Companions knew far more about the Firecats, and were willing to work with them far more closely, than they were with any follower of the Star-Eyed, or Her avatars. --Winged Wolf http://www.crosswinds.net/~wingedwolf/index.html "Pardon me while I burst into flames...I've had enough of the world and its' peoples' mindless games. So pardon me while I burn, and rise above the flame, pardon me, pardon me...don't ever be the same..." --Incubus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 09:36:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Sara Peek To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Recycled Names Message-ID: <20000601163626.16538.qmail-+AT+-web4603.mail.yahoo.com> This isn't a very technical question, but where do you think Misty gets her names? I've come up with some pretty good names playing Scrabble. I doubt she has a list of usable names, though, because been rereading some of my books and I've found a couple namses and words used more than once. Ratha- this is my top evidence. Ratha is Eldan's companion, one of Lady Treesa's fosterlings (MPawn, P133), and an intelligent grasscat (ratha:grasscat, kyree:wolf) Ayshen- this is a hertasi name in Owls, and the root of a Tayledras word in MPawn (voorthayshen) Savil and Jaysen- these don't count, because I'm pretty sure Sayvil, Kero's Companion, is Savil, (Gwena nearly calls her Savil "Sav-")but would she wait 500 years to come back? I get the impression that the Havens is forever. I have no clue whether Jasan, Daren's Companion, is Jaysen, but I'm inclined to think he is. Two important people, two Companions who used to be important people. There is absolutely no way Vanyel is desended from Snowstar or Amberdrake, or any important people from BG. All of the main charachters, with the exeptions of Ma'ar and Urtho, went to Whithe Gryphon, the lost clan. He could be desended from Ma'ar, and I can't think of any "Why Not"s, so Wind to thy Wings and sheep wearing cotton sweaters, Sara, Herald-Mage Rini __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 13:04:50 -0400 From: Paige To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Darkwind Message-ID: <393697B2.5EC60771-+AT+-sympatico.ca> Songjewel wrote: > > Babs wrote: > But they do - when Elspeth is Chosen, Talia has to > petition the > Collegium > for entrance, and there is something mentioned there > about any > candidate who > would have to give up rights to land or holdings must > petition for > entrance, > so that suggests that it does happen. > > Elspeth is an exception to the heir thing; she had to > BE Chosen in order to become heir. I believe it said > any Chosen of Noble birth had to be petitioned...I > COULD be wrong on that, b/c it's been a while and I'm > going on a faint memory. On the other hand, Van wasn't > Chosen until he got sent to court and had his channels > blasted open...even though he was a good person, he > hadn't been Chosen before then b/c he was heir. The > Companions obviously knew about him, b/c of Gala. If someone would care to dig out Magic's Promise you'll find text ev of an Heir being Chosen. Remember Tashir? I think it even says in there something about him normally having to give up his throne but there are no other heirs and the two peoples he'd be ruling aren't willing to accept anyone but him. So heir's have been Chosen before but, with the exception of the heir to the throne of Valdemar, the must renounce their claims if they wish to be Heralds. Like I said, it's in the back of Promise somewhere after Van wakes up after being stabbed by Father Laren. -- Paige Proud Mother of Victoria 04/24/98 and Amanda 05/15/00 Proud to be Outlandish Insert words of wisdom here. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 11:56:53 -0500 From: kat1-+AT+-austin.rr.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Genetics and Magic Message-ID: <0770d2604170160SM1-+AT+-mail.austin.rr.com> Greetings again..wow, two posts in a week.. if I keep this up I might not be a lurker anymore. Anyway, on with it: Nicole wrote: > If this is true and the > theory of Vanyel descending from one of them is true wouldn't that make > him one of  Ma'ar's decedents?!  Sorry, I just find it > kind of hard to believe that  Vanyel could be one of > Ma'ar's descendants.  Sorry it's just the whole 'The sins of > the fathers will be taken up by their sons' thing that makes it kind of > hard to believe.  Besides that, I think Vanyel was too just plain > good to be descended from a scum bag like Ma'ar.  Besides, in > the MWars books she says (in at least the last two) that there were > other, lesser Mages involved in the Wars (ie. Snowstar), maybe he's > decended from one of them."

"Oh well, here's where my mind  > runs-out....."

~Nicole Chosen of Companion > D'faindes   I can understand the prejudice against Vanyel being one of Ma'ar's descendants, but it doesn't make sense to say that Van couldn't be a descendant because Ma'ar was "so bad". In the Storms series (i think, it's been a while) one of his descendants was a relatively *good* person until taken over by Ma'ar. Also, though Vanyel had a strong sense of ethics, he wasn't perfect. I'm not saying that Vanyel definately is a descendant of Ma'ar, just that it's a possibility. And I apologize for the Urtho one; I lost my Black Gryphon book so couldn't look up if there was a possibility of Urtho having any children. There's been a few comments that people close to Urtho could have been Van's ancestor, though, which is more likely than Ma'ar. Btw, what nationality(?) was Ma'ar? I lost the message where someone stated that "there were thousands of mages outside of Valdemar." I wasn't stating that only Ma'ar or Urtho's descendants could work magic; but that they themselves might have been descendants of others who had a specific type of mindset or genetic coding. Well, it's just a theory anyway. I wish I could find my BG book so I could look these things up myself... *Elhith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 13:33:25 -0400 From: Lyn Belzer To: "'mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk'" Subject: Paige's .sig (was RE: Darkwind) Message-ID: Paige wrote: > Proud Mother of Victoria 04/24/98 and Amanda 05/15/00 ^^^^^^^^^^^^ Hey! How'd we let this go unnoticed? CONGRATULATIONS!!!! -Icewolf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 14:01:01 -0400 From: Lyn Belzer To: "'mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk'" Subject: RE: Genetics and Magic WARNING STORMS AND MAGIC'S PRICE SPOILERS Message-ID: I seem to remember hearing that a few folks around here haven't read all the books yet, and I'd hate to spoil them for them, hence the warning. Elhith wrote: >> Nicole wrote: > >>Sorry, I just find it >> kind of hard to believe that Vanyel could be one of >> Ma'ar's descendants. Sorry it's just the whole 'The sins of >> the fathers will be taken up by their sons' thing that >> makes it kind of >> hard to believe. Besides that, I think Vanyel was too just plain >> good to be descended from a scum bag like Ma'ar. Um, just because one's parents (or progenitors) are scum, it doesn't mean that the one is destined to scumdom as well. I mean, as Elhith said, look at Andesha! Sure he was wimpy to begin with, but he turned out quite nicely in the end. I also think the idea that Leareth and Van may be two sides of the same gene rather intriguing. Adds the good vs. evil within the self symbolism quite nicely. :) (So sue me, I was an English major.) > There's been a few comments that > people close to Urtho could have been Van's ancestor, though, > which is more likely than Ma'ar. With all due respect, I think this is more due to Misty's tendency to slightly recycle characters, rather than any actual blood relationship. I thought Amberdrake bore a very close resemblance to Vanyel, myself. Speaking to Elhith's point, though, there probably is a technical blood relationship between followers of Urtho and the Ashkevron line at Forst Reach. However, remember that Urtho's people (save Amberdrake, Cinnabar, et al) escaped to the east *along with Ma'ar's* to found the Eastern Empire (this is discussed in length in one of the Storms books, IIRC). And the folks from the Eastern Empire went on to found Valdemar. So there's probably a mixture of both sides of the Mage Wars running through Valdemaran veins. However, that relationship is probably quite diluted by now. > Btw, what nationality(?) was Ma'ar? I think there's textual evidence in one of the Winds or one of the Storms books that Ma'ar was something of a mongrel, perhaps even a bastard, thus beginning his sense of inferiority, thus beginning his lust for conquest. -Icewolf, thinking that all the sheep being tossed about might make nice clothing ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 15:36:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Cariad To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: RE: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 2312 Message-ID: <379916565.959888175859.JavaMail.root-+AT+-web11.mail.com> Hey gang! I finally have something to say! Liz said: SPOILER WARNING BRIGHTLY BURNING S P O I L E R Does anyone else think that BB was more young adult suitable than the owls series. I mean schools bullying, poor discipline, parents that don't listen, career decisions etc.? __________________________________ It seemed to me like she was trying to capture the crossover audience of all those rabid Harry Potter fans! =] And Suzi said: The whole time I am reading this I am wondering - WHO are these two? There's a reference in the book (I'll go back and find it ) about unrealized potential or something like things left undone with reference to Lan and Companion. But knowing what we know about Misty's sense of reincarnation humor, I can't help wondering who these two are? A lifebonded couple that something awful happened to? If it hadn't been for Stef being reincarnated from 'Lendel, I would have SWORN that Lan and Companion (brain fart on the name) were Lendel and Gala. Especially with all the references about those two - first time we've seen Lendel's name in print as a Herald and not simply "Gala repudiated her chosen." And WOW Pol was holding Gala responsible for not intervening in Lendel's mental crisis. Talk about a turn there! Misty stunned me again. ___________________________________________________________ I know! I've been trying to figure that out too. I wonder.... ! It seemed to me almost like she's leading up to something with that pair, but I don't know what. I wonder if she's going to write any more about that particular time period? And, on a completely different topic, I was just rereading BtS the other day, and I remember the discussion of Iftel and how the people there were mysterious and kept to their own. I haven't read any of the Storms books, so I was wondering if she ever went to Iftel or explored it or anything like that that I missed - or do you think she is planning to? There was obviously a setup for something there! well, wind to thy wings, everyone! ~Lady Ember Echosinger~ ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address -+AT+-email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 12:43:29 -0700 (PDT) From: T Stafford To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Recycled Names Message-ID: <20000601194329.16367.qmail-+AT+-web115.yahoomail.com> One thing I've noticed is a lot of names being used again and again in different series. For example, there are several Ulrich's in her stories. I have noticed others, too, but now that I'm trying to remember them - of course I can't! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 16:22:23 -0400 From: Lyn Belzer To: "'mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk'" Subject: Iftel Message-ID: > And, on a completely different topic, I was just rereading > BtS the other day, and I remember the discussion of Iftel and > how the people there were mysterious and kept to their own. I > haven't read any of the Storms books, so I was wondering if > she ever went to Iftel or explored it or anything like that > that I missed - or do you think she is planning to? There was > obviously a setup for something there! (and for a wolf, that SMARTS) Um, yeah. She explores Iftel in Storms. -Icewolf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 17:20:07 EDT From: XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Genetics and Magic Message-ID: Hey Guys I was reading on the firebire page that Mist might make a book up of everyones lineage. I dont know what time it will cover but wouldn't that be cool??? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 17:21:52 EDT From: XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Companions to Choose and Not to Choose - BURNING SPOILERS Message-ID: <79.4d0c868.26682df0-+AT+-aol.com> In a message dated 6/1/00 6:58:02 AM Central Daylight Time, WINTERSONG-+AT+-prodigy.net writes: << >>>>So the question becomes - does having a non-Healing, non-Bardic gift in significant measure guarantee a Companion in one's future? >> I was allso going to say, wouldn't it make seans if some was going to be more good not being choosen then not why, choosen them and maybe miss things all up? Shadow ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 17:22:20 -0400 From: Lyn Belzer To: "'mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk'" Subject: BRIGHTLY BURNING SPECULATION Message-ID: I've honestly only glanced at BB in the B&N while waiting for my boyfriend, but here's my 2 silvers on this question >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Cariad [mailto:ladyember-+AT+-email.com] >> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 4:26 PM >> Liz said: >> SPOILER WARNING >> BRIGHTLY BURNING >> S >> P >> O >> I >> L >> E >> R >> >> And Suzi said: >> >> >> The whole time I am reading this I am wondering - WHO are >> these two? > > I know! I've been trying to figure that out too. I wonder.... > ! It seemed to me almost like she's leading up to something > with that pair, but I don't know what. I wonder if she's > going to write any more about that particular time period? I've toyed with the idea of Mardic and Donni...I mean, they've died in a rain of fire *before*... And they had very up close and personal seats for the whole Tylendel disaster, hence snappish reply "You WON'T have another Tylendel on your hands," when Pol's Companion questions the Choice [I'm blanking on Lan's Companion's name...sorry]. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 17:29:31 EDT From: XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Recycled Names Message-ID: Ask Misty FAQ from Mercedes Lackey Storms series (i think, it's been a while) one of his descendants was a relatively *good* person until taken over by Ma'ar. Also, though Vanyel had a strong sense of ethics, he wasn't perfect The wed link above takes you to a spot where Misty talks about things people ask. She has told everyone on the Mb that she gets her names from body books and just speels them a little dirffently. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 17:29:47 -0400 From: Lyn Belzer To: "'mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk'" Subject: Cool Deities Message-ID: Many many days ago, Victoria wrote: > >(Notice how most of her good deities are feminine? :) > > ::g:: Someone besides me has noticed this!! ;) > Coincidence? Maybe... Now, actually, I thought Vkandis was a pretty cool diety. Once we drop kicked the corrupt clergy, that is... -Icewolf, apparently running off at the keyboard today ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 17:36:58 -0400 From: Lyn Belzer To: "'mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk'" Subject: Vkandis and Companions Message-ID: Winged Wolf wrote: > Actually, this is yet another bit of evidence for the idea > that Vkandis > is the god that created the Companions in the first place. > It seemed to > me that the Companions knew far more about the Firecats, and > were willing > to work with them far more closely, than they were with any > follower of > the Star-Eyed, or Her avatars. Hrm. Not sure I can agree with that. I think he's just "the god next door." He's far too insular and particular to be quite that wide ranging. Now, the gods seem to have many of the same devices--Kal'enal, the ghost Swordsworn [blanking again, damn getting old sucks rocks]; the unnamed Lord and Lady of Valdemar, the Companions; and Vkandis, the Firecats. But the cats are white with blue eyes for the same reason as the Companions (and the Tayledras too, for that matter)--because they use magic. It doesn't necessarily follow that they have the same creator. Again, merely my 2 silvers on the subject, your mileage may vary. -Icewolf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 18:22:51 EDT From: XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: BRIGHTLY BURNING SPECULATION Message-ID: <3b.59ec14a.26683c3b-+AT+-aol.com> In a message dated 6/1/00 4:57:43 PM Central Daylight Time, lbelzer-+AT+-cosentini.com writes: << I've toyed with the idea of Mardic and Donni...I mean, they've died in a rain of fire *before*... And they had very up close and personal seats for the whole Tylendel disaster, hence snappish reply "You WON'T have another Tylendel on your hands," when Pol's Companion questions the Choice [I'm blanking on Lan's Companion's name...sorry]. >> she didnt say that on page 141 its say's He din't murder anyone it was part accident part horrible bad luck and part provoked. I chose him Satiran I t is my choice nor yours. He needs me Would you have another Tylendel? Satiran being Pol's Companion. In that light I think it shows that it really wasn't Tylendel falt that he did was he did in MP it was that his companion wasn't with him at the time he was plaining all this. And didn't push Tylendel hard enf to get at what he was going when he blacked her out of his mind. And that Tylendel killed himself becuase he left alone in the faced that on one was doing anything about his twin being killed. Its just my thoughs sorry if it upsets anyone. Shadow ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 19:05:44 -0400 (EDT) From: moonshadow-+AT+-startrekmail.com To: Misty List Subject: ML: Misty's names Message-ID: <00060119054449.19251-+AT+-weba6.iname.net> >This isn't a very technical question, but where do you >think Misty gets her names? I've come up with some >pretty good names playing Scrabble. I doubt she has a >list of usable names, though, because been rereading >some of my books and I've found a couple namses and >words used more than once. As far as the Arrow's books go, most of her names are historical, which I have at one time or another encountered in my reading. Case in point, I am in the middle of a trilogy by Sharon Kay Penman, historical fiction set in the time of King John, and the word "Cymry" appears. It is a Welsh word meaning "countrymen" or "brotherhood" or something similiar...I'll have to check the book to be sure. But I thought that was very interesting. I've also found Elspeth, and even Selenay (IIRC). Herald Jacquelle ------------------------------- Beam to http://www.StarTrek.com The official site of the Star Trek universe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 00:32:06 +0100 (BST) From: troll-+AT+-netcomuk.co.uk To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: ML: Misty's names Message-ID: <2000620337641-+AT+-netcomuk.co.uk> On 06/02/00 00:22:11 Herald Jacquelle wrote: > Case in point, I am in the middle of a >trilogy by Sharon Kay Penman, historical fiction set >in the time of King John, and the word "Cymry" appears. >It is a Welsh word meaning "countrymen" or "brotherhood" >or something similiar...I'll have to check the book >to be sure. Another Sharon Penman fan! *happy troll smile* I'm re-reading "The Sunne in Splendour" for the umpteenth time atm, and going on to the Welsh trilogy next. As it happens, the word "Cymry" is in fact the(or a) Welsh name for the Welsh people themselves - though it may mean countrymen or brotherhood too - stemming from Romano-Celtic and pre-Roman Celtic times, when it referred to their ancestors, the Celtic tribe residing in what's now Wales. ("Cymru" is the Welsh name for Wales.) Elspeth is a genuine British name, though not much in fashion these days...can't recall ever seeing a Selenay other than the Valdemaran one though. Selene and Selena, yes, but not Selenay... So, we have Companions named for real-world places/peoples. What about people & Companions named for Velgarth places? ie Tantras/Tantris could possibly be derived from Tantara, etc... anyone have any more examples of this kind? Wow, I've posted twice in a week. What's gone wrong? :) Trollhugs and sunny summery sheep to all, Muranog Shadowbane Troll Battle Adept of Earth and Fire Knight of Fluff, OIB Member of the Mistic Circle(dormant) and Circle of Stone(alive) and his bondmate Sable, the giant black war sheep(also OIB) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 00:18:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Kenneth Allen Hyde To: Misty Lackey List Subject: Firecats Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Jun 2000, Lyn Belzer wrote: > But the cats are white with blue eyes for the same reason as the > Companions (and the Tayledras too, for that matter)--because they use > magic. Tsk, tsk. They are not white. They are pale cream with brick-red points like a siamese (SWarn, p. 262) And it's not magic use, it's node use that bleaches the Tayledras and Companions. IIRC, there's no actual confirmation that the Firecats use node magic. Just that they are magical. Oh, and about Talia being a priestess of Vkandis: Hansa, Solaris' Firecat was the one who suggested making Talia an honorary priestess, and Karal accepts her as one of the "Kin of Vkandis" when he's at Haven. (SWarn, pp. 195-208) Also, Talia takes her duties seriously enough to have studied the Writ of Vkandis (ibid.) May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd Councilor of Mist Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me //www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/prof/ken.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 22:32:02 -0700 From: Eugene McDougall To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Recycled Names Message-ID: <393746D2.5EE55939-+AT+-noao.edu> Sara Peek wrote: > > This isn't a very technical question, but where do you > think Misty gets her names? I've come up with some > pretty good names playing Scrabble. I doubt she has a > list of usable names, though, because been rereading > some of my books and I've found a couple namses and > words used more than once. As someone else here has stated, I think Misty has already answered this one herself. I think it would be rather odd to have a culture where names aren't repeated/duplicated, especially for famous/well-known people. If you think of any of the "western" cultures now it is rather odd to have a name which doesn't belong to several other people. Just another long time lurker, Sheep shaped smarties to all (the Canadian kind) Gene ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 01:41:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Tessa Raethen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Nobles being chosen Message-ID: <13908443.959935317598.JavaMail.imail-+AT+-scorch.excite.com> > Elspeth is an exception to the heir thing; she had to > BE Chosen in order to become heir. I believe it said > any Chosen of Noble birth had to be petitioned...I > COULD be wrong on that, b/c it's been a while and I'm > going on a faint memory. On the other hand, Van wasn't > Chosen until he got sent to court and had his channels > blasted open...even though he was a good person, he > hadn't been Chosen before then b/c he was heir. The > Companions obviously knew about him, b/c of Gala I also remember that bit about nobles being petitioned after being Chosen...was it in one of the Winds trilogy? Ah, to have the time to go back and reread the entire thing! Anyway, if they had that policy in Vanyel's time (which is debatable), he was probably an exception anyway. Because of his unique situation, both in the fact that his gifts were so strong and awakened so late and also his difficult relationship with his family, it wouldn't have been practical (and probably downright detrimental) to try and petition the Ashkevrons when Vanyel was Chosen. After all, he was Chosen at the brink of suicide, and he had problems relating to his grief over Tylendel's death and his raw gifts for a long time afterward...he needed the bond with Yfandes to keep him grounded and sane. They couldn't afford to go through the formality, not to mention the risk of the answer being no. Wow, I actually got a fairly lengthy post down. Watch out everyone, I've shed my previous position as a faithful lurker! ~Julia~ _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 09:17:04 -0400 From: Lyn Belzer To: "'mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk'" Subject: RE: Firecats Message-ID: Cenydd wrote: > On Thu, 1 Jun 2000, Lyn Belzer wrote: > > > But the cats are white with blue eyes for the same reason as the > > Companions (and the Tayledras too, for that > matter)--because they use > > magic. > > Tsk, tsk. They are not white. They are pale cream with brick-red > points like a siamese (SWarn, p. 262) :P" :) Details, details. They're not your standard dark-ish coloring, is what I was trying to get across... > And it's not magic > use, it's node > use that bleaches the Tayledras and Companions. IIRC, > there's no actual > confirmation that the Firecats use node magic. My apologies for my imprecise language. That is what my then-mush-like brains were trying to express, but couldn't quite find the right terminology for. And I think there *is* textev for Firecats using nodes, but I don't have any of my books at work, drat it... -Icewolf ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2313 **********************************