MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2315 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Nobles being chosen by Kenneth Allen Hyde 2) Re: Monarch's Own by XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com 3) Re: Monarch's Own by Tessa Raethen 4) Re: I'M BACK!!!!!!!!! by XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com 5) Re: Monarchs Own by XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com 6) Re: Monarch's Own by XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com 7) by Bethany Bracken 8) Re: by ShadowDreamer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 11:20:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Kenneth Allen Hyde To: Misty Lackey List Subject: Re: Nobles being chosen Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Jun 2000, Tessa Raethen wrote: > Because of his unique situation, both in the fact that his gifts were > so strong and awakened so late and also his difficult relationship > with his family, it wouldn't have been practical (and probably > downright detrimental) to try and petition the Ashkevrons when Vanyel > was Chosen. Hmmmmm. I don't think that the families were the ones being petitioned. It was the monarch (definitely) and the Council (maybe) who were petitioned. After all, the petition was to release a noble from their responsibilities. The only person in a direct monarchy that can do this is the monarch. The families can disinherit or cast out people, but they can't release someone from their responsibilities to the Crown. BTW, I think that the "petitioning" in Elspeth's case was simply a formalistic way of announcing her Choosing. After all, since Valdemaran law requires that all monarch's be Heralds, there was no question of her being refused a place, after she was Chosen. That would be tantamount to saying the Companions didn't know what they were doing in choosing and would run counter to basic Valdemaran beliefs. May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd Councilor of Mist Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me //www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/prof/ken.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 15:57:56 EDT From: XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Monarch's Own Message-ID: In a message dated 6/2/00 9:26:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Mar243-+AT+-aol.com writes: << Monarch's Own >> I was just wondering who the monarch own is? Is it the horse that choses I can't remeber? thanks Shadow ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 16:23:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Tessa Raethen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Monarch's Own Message-ID: <29664672.960074604521.JavaMail.imail-+AT+-scorch.excite.com> Shadow writes: > I was just wondering who the monarch own is? Is it the horse that choses I > can't remeber? Monarch's own is indeed determined by the companions - the Grove Born companion (I believe there is usually only one) chooses who is to be King/Queen's own. In Talia's time it was Rolan who was grove-born; Gwena also, but that was sort of an exception, since no one was supposed to know. ~Julia~ _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 20:18:18 EDT From: XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: I'M BACK!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <5b.6aac570.266afa4a-+AT+-aol.com> In a message dated 6/3/00 12:54:25 AM Central Daylight Time, trujillo-+AT+-southwind.net writes: << Abby Normal wrote:. > ObMisty: I read Black_Swan a few days ago, and > was not impressed. I'm not the first to make this > observation, but her later books are just falling and > falling. Something along the lines of LHM would be > exceedingly appreciated about now. > I've noticed Brightly_Burning in bookstores. Is > it any good? First off welcome back...de lurking a bit here been busy getting engaged, going to be married Oct 20 :) and trying to finish up my school work for my Masters degree. On Brightly Burning: I don't think this needs a spoiler since I'm not going to get into any specifics. I thought it was much more like her older books. The character developement of Lan and the rest could have been a bit better but dealing with a single book in a very short amount of time didn't allow for as much as a trilogy. I really liked the story and the twists she put in it, its very LHMish in its tone just because of how you know its going to end and Lan is very similar to Van in more than one way. I agree that Black Swan has to be one of Misty's weakest books it just didn't get me at all, one of the few books of hers I've read only once. I did like the last two Owl books though, they were more lightweight but they were fun reads. Oh and Congrats Paige! I noticed that you had your daughter!!! Chocolate chip ice cream sheep to everyone Brat Ferret Friend Lady of All Things Missing, Especially Socks Happily engaged to the most wonderful man in the world and soon to be an English citizen >> I really like the back BB it was every good reading. It didn't loss any of its hold all the way though the book. Though I wouldn't have mind knowing about the lifebond that was in the book. Wonder how that could have happpen. But I was thinking about. Maybe that was the only way his Compaion could channle his magic?? Anyone have any other thinkings on it? Thanks Shadow ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 20:20:21 EDT From: XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Monarchs Own Message-ID: <27.668bdd2.266afac5-+AT+-aol.com> In a message dated 6/3/00 7:31:04 AM Central Daylight Time, moonshadow-+AT+-startrekmail.com writes: << IIRC, Misty answered this (I think it's on the Firebird website) by saying that the Herald who is Chosen by the MO Companion never really had a real Bond with his first Companion. Of course, he could never know this, b/c Bonds are such subjective things. He would never know that he hadn't had a real Bond until he Bonded with the MO Companion and had a comparison. Does that make sense?? Herald Jacquelle >> Yes it dose. Somthing like looking out for goods or something like that. HE wouldn't bond to his Comparison 100% and would be trianed by that one intill he was ready to take up his role with the MO ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 20:23:13 EDT From: XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Monarch's Own Message-ID: In a message dated 6/3/00 7:04:24 PM Central Daylight Time, Safaenya-+AT+-excite.com writes: << Monarch's own is indeed determined by the companions - the Grove Born companion (I believe there is usually only one) chooses who is to be King/Queen's own. In Talia's time it was Rolan who was grove-born; Gwena also, but that was sort of an exception, since no one was supposed to know. ~Julia~ >> Yes but waswn't EElspeth's Companion Grove born? Maybe that was aforseeing of her giving up her right to being Queen? ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jun 00 20:56:21 MDT From: Bethany Bracken To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Message-ID: <20000604025621.6526.qmail-+AT+-nwcst283.netaddress.usa.net> Elhith wrote: "I can understand the prejudice against Vanyel being one of Ma'ar's descendants, but it doesn't make sense to say that Van couldn't be a descendant because Ma'ar was "so bad". In the Storms series (i think, it's been a while) one of his descendants was a relatively *good* person until taken over by Ma'ar. " Also, Nyara, Falconsbane's daughter in WofChange, is a good person, but that doesn't make her father any less scummy. (I'm trying to remember whether Falconsbane is a relation of Ma'ar or whether that's just my messed up head.) Joy to all, Avelyna Ervyndore ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 22:54:36 -0600 From: ShadowDreamer To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20000603225436.00774c5c-+AT+-mail> At 04:54 AM 6/4/00 +0100, you wrote: >Elhith wrote: >"I can understand the prejudice against Vanyel being one of >Ma'ar's descendants, but it doesn't make sense to say that Van >couldn't be a descendant because Ma'ar was "so bad". In the >Storms series (i think, it's been a while) one of his descendants >was a relatively *good* person until taken over by Ma'ar. " True enough, and after all, Leareth certainly LOOKED a lot like Van from the description. Avelyna wrote: >Also, Nyara, Falconsbane's daughter in WofChange, is a good person, but that >doesn't make her father any less scummy. (I'm trying to remember whether >Falconsbane is a relation of Ma'ar or whether that's just my messed up head.) Yes, in order for Falconsbane/Ma'ar/Leareth to take over the body of the next "lucky chosen Gifted one", they had to be of his blood, I believe, which was why he spent so much time "spreading his seed" whenever he was in a new young body. Just my 2 coppers which I throw in now and again. Known to one and all as ShadowDreamer, formerly MorningStar Mindmate to the tawny eagle Ryia! Original Member of the Order of Unsung Heros (http://www.angelfire.com/ok2/oouh/) shadskitty-+AT+-home.com morningstar-+AT+-poetic.com Web page is moving...watch this spot for updates! ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2315 **********************************