MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2316 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) On braids and BRIGHTLY BURNING (SPOILERS) by Sarah 2) Re: Monarchs Own by Mar243-+AT+-aol.com 3) Re: Monarchs Own by "Mark Severson" 4) RE: Genetics and Magic WARNING STORMS AND MAGIC'S PRICE SPOILERS by Songjewel 5) Re:re:Monarch's Own by moonshadow-+AT+-startrekmail.com 6) Van/Ma'ar by Abby Normal 7) Re: Monarch's Own by TantrisandRolan-+AT+-aol.com 8) Re: Genetics and Magic WARNING STORMS AND MAGIC'S PRICE SPOILERS by winged_wolf-+AT+-juno.com 9) Re: Genetics and Magic by Mar243-+AT+-aol.com 10) Re: Answer to the Talia as Sunpriest and BURNING SPOILERS by Mar243-+AT+-aol.com 11) WAY off topic: Birth Announcement by Robert Martin ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 07:00:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Sarah To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: On braids and BRIGHTLY BURNING (SPOILERS) Message-ID: <17494150.960127245202.JavaMail.imail-+AT+-magic.excite.com> Bright the day everyone (or slightly cloudy and overcast if you live in southern england) !! I'm gonna have a moan now, and i know i am probably not the only one who has noticed this but... BRAID YOUR MESSAGES PLEASE!!!!!!!!! i am sorry that i seem to be having a go and it isn't directed at one person but I have just noticed that someone has sent three messages, replying to three topics in less than 20 minutes. I don't mean to sound stupid but couldn't these all have gone in one message? I know that everyone's been guilty of typing a message, sending it and then thinking oh *&$£ i really didn't mean to say that, sure, in that case send another message correcting your mistake(s). But these are mostly one line responses that could have *easily* been braided together in one longer post... It's not just peoples' individual mailboxes that get snowed under (I was away for 2 days recently and had over 100 messages, about 1/4 of these could have been braided) but vanyel (the list server) does too. ok, i'm done moaning now. On the monarch's own companion thread.. what would happen to the companion that was pushed aside to make way for the new monarch's own bond? i don't think it actually specifies in any book what happens (please feel free to challenge that thought. i don't have all the books by any means.) BRIGHTLY BURNING SPOILER * * * * * * Spoiler space * * * * * * I borrowed BB from a friend and fellow resident of the halls of mist (liz, i am in debted to you forever for being my personal librarian - thankyou) and i hafta say that i reallyreallyreally liked it. Despite knowing what would happen eventually (wasn't it Griffon in arrows something that remarked about Lan calling the fires on himself and how Grif would do it because of the reaction headache) i couldn't put the book down! I was a bit confunded about the herald/companion lifebond though. Am i the only one who is feeling stupid for not knowing how that could/would work? I can see how Lan and Kalira would have to be closely linked for her to have that much control over his gift but in ummmmm MPawn, I think, Starwind took over Van's gift to show him what to do. i am confusing myself now so i'll stop. END SPOILER SPACE Zhai'helleva Moonstalker :) She'enedra to Brynn Carrier of the ENCHANTED BUCKET #2 TM "Friends, however distant, are always present." - Cicero _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 16:22:59 EDT From: Mar243-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Monarchs Own Message-ID: <20.6c9e4ae.266c14a3-+AT+-aol.com> Well isn't that a bit unfair for the Herald or even the Companion as well? Even if the bond is not that strong, you know how horrible it is when a bond like that is broken. it just seems that the Companions should know if that person was going to be chosen for Monarch's Own. They are spirit beings and they do seem to know a lot more then they tell anyone even if they dont know everything. In a message dated 6/3/00 6:30:54 AM Mountain Daylight Time, moonshadow-+AT+-startrekmail.com writes: << Reana wrote: >But >the question is, how could Rolan Choose someone who >was already Chosen? Thats >something that has been bugging me forever and Ive >been dying to finally ask >someone. Or maybe is it a typo of a sort? IIRC, Misty answered this (I think it's on the Firebird website) by saying that the Herald who is Chosen by the MO Companion never really had a real Bond with his first Companion. Of course, he could never know this, b/c Bonds are such subjective things. He would never know that he hadn't had a real Bond until he Bonded with the MO Companion and had a comparison. Does that make sense?? Herald Jacquelle >> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 15:08:08 -0700 From: "Mark Severson" To: Subject: Re: Monarchs Own Message-ID: <002801bfce71$5e733ca0$85c6e4d8-+AT+-eonet.com> You could look upon it as a training period for the Kings/Queens Own to be (in the case of those who were previously chosen) It is not a job one can just walk into cold off the street. After all even though Talia was chosen by Rolen she was not truly the Queens Own right off the bat. It took time. She needed time to learn. So in the case of a K/Q O who was replacing one who had been lost due to fair means or foul it would help if they had a background, at least as a herald. At least that is how I see it. mttz ----- Original Message ----- From: > Well isn't that a bit unfair for the Herald or even the Companion as well? Even if the bond is not that strong, you know how horrible it is when a bond like that is broken. it just seems that the Companions should know if that person was going to be chosen for Monarch's Own. They are spirit beings and they do seem to know a lot more then they tell anyone even if they dont know everything. > > In a message dated 6/3/00 6:30:54 AM Mountain Daylight Time, > moonshadow-+AT+-startrekmail.com writes: > > << Reana wrote: > > >But the question is, how could Rolan Choose someone who >was already Chosen? Thats something that has been bugging me forever and Ive been dying to finally ask someone. Or maybe is it a typo of a sort? > > > IIRC, Misty answered this (I think it's on the Firebird > website) by saying that the Herald who is Chosen by > the MO Companion never really had a real Bond with his > first Companion. Of course, he could never know this, > b/c Bonds are such subjective things. He would never > know that he hadn't had a real Bond until he Bonded > with the MO Companion and had a comparison. Does that > make sense?? > > Herald Jacquelle >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 16:46:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Songjewel To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: RE: Genetics and Magic WARNING STORMS AND MAGIC'S PRICE SPOILERS Message-ID: <20000604234620.969.qmail-+AT+-web1006.mail.yahoo.com> >*snip* >When An'desha was sifting through his >memories >somewhere between Winds of Fury and Storm Warning, I >remember him >mentioning >that one of Ma'ar's incarnations was Leareth. If I >remember this >correctly, >then Vanyel couldn't possibly have been a descendant. Why not? People can have more than one child. Ma'ar had many incarnations, and some of the ones mentioned had children. Would those children have Ma'ar's genes, or the genes of the person Ma'ar inhabited? (My thinking says his descendant, but I wanted to put that out there) ~Song ===== (a.k.a. Nuri-chan, Nuriko's Miko, like I have time to be anything else???) ~Fuu, Nuriko, Mercury, Aya __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 20:21:04 -0400 (EDT) From: moonshadow-+AT+-startrekmail.com To: Misty List Subject: Re:re:Monarch's Own Message-ID: <0006042021040U.24488-+AT+-weba1.iname.net> Mar243 wrote: >Well isn't that a bit unfair for the Herald or even >the Companion as well? >Even if the bond is not that strong, you know how >horrible it is when a bond >like that is broken. it just seems that the >Companions should know if that >person was going to be chosen for Monarch's Own. They >are spirit beings and >they do seem to know a lot more then they tell anyone >even if they dont know >everything. Well, I would think that it would be necessary for the false bond. I mean, if they didn't, then every new Monarch's Own would have to spend 5 years in training and 1.5 years in his/her internship, and that would not make for a good government. Having the false bond would mean that the Herald in question would be either fully trained or nearly so. That way, they could just step into the office of Monarch's Own without the government being totally disrupted or the Monarch without his/her most trusted Herald. Even though Talia helped Selenay during her student years, it wasn't until after her intership that she had voting rights. Granted nothing really happened during her student years that would have merited the QO having voting rights, but what if the situation with Elspeth had come up when Talia *was* a student? Talia wouldn't have been able to throw her vote with the Queen and overrule the Council, and Elspeth would have been married off to the scumbag and murdered thereafter. Then where would Valdemar have been given the subsequent problems? Sorry for the ramble... Herald Jacquelle ------------------------------- Beam to http://www.StarTrek.com The official site of the Star Trek universe ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 20:49:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Abby Normal To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Van/Ma'ar Message-ID: <20000605034934.20892.qmail-+AT+-web4702.mail.yahoo.com> Bright the day, On the subject of Vanyel being a possible descendent of Ma'ar, I think it would be interesting thematically, but I don't think it's likely. For whoever asked (bad delete finger), Falconsbane was a descendent of Ma'ar, in a sense. Falconsbane was the spirit of Ma'ar, able to keep his memories as he reincarnated himself into new bodies. However, it is pointed out somewhere in either WFury or one of the Storms that over the centuries the spirit had changed, or been deranged (take your pick), so Falconsbane and Ma'ar were not precisely the same. Be that as it may, the way Falconsbane/Ma'ar did the reincarnations was to take over the body of a blood descendent of Ma'ar, through the first use of magic of that unfortunate person. I don't think Vanyel was a descendent because Elspeth and Firesong are his descendents, and I think Falconsbane would have noticed if they had the right blood and were candidates for body-snatching. In fact, they each (especially Firesong) had such strong mage-power that I think if it was at all possible Falconsbane would have tried immediately to take them. Just my two cents. meringue sheep to all, Ambermoon Singer of Fire Royal Defender of the Brat __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 23:50:11 EDT From: TantrisandRolan-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Monarch's Own Message-ID: <38.6d3c29c.266c7d73-+AT+-aol.com> In a message dated 6/3/00 7:48:35 PM Central Daylight Time, XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com writes: << Yes but waswn't EElspeth's Companion Grove born? Maybe that was aforseeing of her giving up her right to being Queen? >> Gwen is Elspeth's Companion...and Gwena was grove born. Amber ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 21:14:36 -0600 From: winged_wolf-+AT+-juno.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Genetics and Magic WARNING STORMS AND MAGIC'S PRICE SPOILERS Message-ID: <20000604.215226.-492199.0.Winged_Wolf-+AT+-juno.com> On Sat, 3 Jun 2000 06:13:05 +0100 (BST) "John Anthony Kazos Jr." writes: > I believe this will be easy to resolve, if I remember correctly. (And > I swear > upon a $100 bill that I read this, it's so strong in my mind. (Not > that I've > never been wrong before.)) When An'desha was sifting through his > memories > somewhere between Winds of Fury and Storm Warning, I remember him > mentioning > that one of Ma'ar's incarnations was Leareth. If I remember this > correctly, > then Vanyel couldn't possibly have been a descendant. Being the reincarnation of Ma'ar is not the same thing as being one of his descendents--he would only choose one of his descendents to possess each lifetime--he had many many more of them, and did his best to spread his genes around each lifetime he had. So that alone doesn't bar Vanyel from being a Ma'ar descendent, although I personally doubt that he was. --Winged Wolf http://www.crosswinds.net/~wingedwolf/index.html "Pardon me while I burst into flames...I've had enough of the world and its' peoples' mindless games. So pardon me while I burn, and rise above the flame, pardon me, pardon me...don't ever be the same..." --Incubus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 01:50:00 EDT From: Mar243-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Genetics and Magic Message-ID: Well lets see here. Andesha was a descendent of Ma'ar and he was not a terrible person at all...In fact at the end of Storm Breaking did he not look into becoming shaman? I believe that it doesnt really matter who Vanyel descended from. Im sure if Urtho had had descendents there might be a few bad apples as well. Just because Ma'ar was evil, doesnt mean all of them will be. Look at Nyara. Plus Urtho and Ma'ar were not the only Adepts around just the strongest at the time. Vanyel could have very well descend from a lesser mage and just came out to be stronger, Nyara was a descendent of Ma'ar (far down the line but she was) and she was only Journeyman class. So that just proves Vanyel could descend from virtually anyone. Reana ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 01:53:51 EDT From: Mar243-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Answer to the Talia as Sunpriest and BURNING SPOILERS Message-ID: Hey just to put my two sense in...Has anyone ever thought that they could all be the same God? Just called differently by different people. In StrmBreaking Solaris started speaking like Mother Earth which was part of the religion in Hardorn. Iftel and Karse are of the same religion and it seems that Andesha saw 'Need' in the moon paths and she was of a different religion all together. Ive just always wondered and it seemed to make sense to me.. Reana ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 09:33:08 -0400 From: Robert Martin To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: WAY off topic: Birth Announcement Message-ID: Just wanted to let you all know why I haven't been posting lately. My wife and I just had our first child, a daughter, last Friday. Charis Ileana was 6 lbs, 10 oz, 17 ½ inches long at birth. Chocolate-cigar flavored sheep to all and sundry. Tristaan Ogre-Monk, ICQ# 14668166 Assistant Librarian/Orangutan, Pedant Target, Chief Brute Husband of Amethyst, Co-Owner of The Ogre and the Elf Violinist for the ABML out-of-practice-musicians band Keyboard Martyr, Keeper of the ABML Cookbook ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2316 **********************************