MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2318

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: Choosing Monarch's Own (mpromise spoiler?)
	by freddie mac <freddie_mac1-+AT+-yahoo.com>
  2) Re: WAY off topic: Birth Announcement
	by XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com
  3) Re: Ages
	by XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com
  4) Gate magic
	by ShadowDreamer <shadskitty-+AT+-home.com>
  5) Re: Ages
	by "Sky Tigress" <skytigress-+AT+-hotmail.com>
  6) MIST: Reminders
	by Yvonne <dprono-+AT+-planet.eon.net>
  7) Re: Ages
	by LCM46-+AT+-aol.com
  8) Re: genes and we're all related, mages
	by Liz Hoffman <E.G.Hoffman-+AT+-soton.ac.uk>
  9) Braid of sorts, BB spoiler at end
	by Julia Gray <jgray-+AT+-oakton.edu>
 10) Re: Vkandis and Companions
	by winged_wolf-+AT+-juno.com
 11) Re: Answer to the Talia as Sunpriest and BURNING SPOILERS
	by XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com
 12) Re: Van/Ma'ar
	by XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com
 13) Re: Genetics and Magic WARNING STORMS AND MAGIC'S PRICE SPOILERS
	by XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com
 14) Re: Van/Ma'ar
	by XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com
 15) Re: BRIGHTLY BURNING SPECULATION <WARNING-SPOILERS>
	by XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com
 16) Re: I'M BACK!!!!!!!!!- Black Swan
	by XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com
 17) Pulling magic
	by XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com
 18) Re: Vkandis and Companions
	by XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com
 19) Re: Time to go +other stuff.
	by XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com
 20) Re: Shay'a'chern and Genes
	by XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com
 21) Re: Ages
	by XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com
 22) Re: Van/Ma'ar
	by troll-+AT+-netcomuk.co.uk
 23) Re: I am not amused!
	by Aurora Dawnstar <auroradawnstar-+AT+-excite.com>
 24) Re: Ages
	by MDennis460-+AT+-aol.com
 25) Re: Ages
	by Nicole Fletcher <fletchn-+AT+-telusplanet.net>
 26) ML: Re: I am not amused!
	by "Rhianna Lynn" <ashke-+AT+-greenapple.com>
 27) Re: I am not amused!
	by XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com
 28) Re: I am not amused!
	by Paustinnew-+AT+-aol.com
 29) Braiding <-- Re: I am not amused!
	by "John Anthony Kazos Jr." <jkazos-+AT+-vt.edu>
 30) Re: I am not amused!
	by Amy Trujillo <trujillo-+AT+-southwind.net>

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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 20:15:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: freddie mac <freddie_mac1-+AT+-yahoo.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Choosing Monarch's Own (mpromise spoiler?)
Message-ID: <20000606031530.6248.qmail-+AT+-web3403.mail.yahoo.com>

hi everyone --

here are a few things on choosing monarch's owns that
i'd like to respond to (snips first, then
comments).Mar243-+AT+-aol.com wrote <snip>Well isn't that a
bit unfair for the Herald or even the Companion as
well?  Even if the bond is not that strong, you know
how horrible it is when a bond like that is broken. 
it just seems that the Companions should know if that
person was going to be chosen for Monarch's Own.  They
are spirit beings and they do seem to know a lot more
then they tell anyone even if they dont know
everything.</snip>

--->first, and i'm surprised that no one else brought
this up, who says the bond would be broken?  why not
transfered?  and second, the "choosing" companion may
not know any more than the herald being chosen whether
said herald would become monarch's own.  since the
grove born companions (monarch's own and gwenna) seem
to have a few more cards up their sleeves than the
other companions, i wouldn't be surprised if both
companion & herald would be kept in the dark, and
wouldn't know until the bond is transfered.  in
mprice, van remarked to 'fandes that "truth, i almost
expected to be chosen as monarch's own" (can't find
the exact page #, but text ved is pretty close).  this
implies that at least some heralds & companions know
that the bond btw herald & monarch's own is *slightly*
different than a regular one, and that the monarch's
own can choose an already chosen herald.

 Mark Severson wrote <snip>You could look upon it as a
training period for the Kings/Queens Own to Be (in the
case of those who were previously chosen)  It is not a
job one can just walk into cold off the street.
</snip>

----> exactly.  not all of the bright/fresh trainees
wll be able to wade through several feet of the manure
called diplomacy and politics without lots of
experience.  how do you get experience? get a job!  in
the case of MO, the "less-than-suitable" heralds can
be weeded out on circut.  maybe you've got someone
who's just wonderful solving disputes btw six
back-country farmers, but put him with six outraged
nobles, and he/she loses his/her mind & temper asap. 
nothing wrong w/ the herald,just not suited to that
type of work.  to use an example from corporate
america (or europe), you don't take the whiz kid from
off the street & make him/her president of microsoft
on day 1.  the whiz kid needs to learn the ropes.  you
might notice during the hiring/initial probationary
period (6mos-1yr) that the kid sure is sharp, so you
start directing the kid, mentoring, etc.  maybe, with
all of this help, the kid will send bill gates into
retirement in 10yrs, but it will be 10yrs of learning
the ropes, and very hard work.  same principles apply
to heralds.  you wanna take a bum off the street &
have him/her advise the monarch?  i don't think so. 
even if said bum has been chosen, the bum also is
utterly unfamiliar w/ the way the royal court works. 
training is essential.

Herald Jacquelle wrote <snip>Having the false bond
would mean that the Herald in question would be either
fully trained or nearly so.  That way, they could just
step into the office of Monarch's Own without the
government being totally disrupted or the Monarch
without his/her most trusted Herald.</snip>exactly!!! 
using van as an example (yes, again!)  the MO at the
time (taver) #1-already had a herald; #2- wouldn't
have had time to deal with a seriously injured &
suicidal trainee.  i'd argue that it took van a few
years (say 2-3?) to actually become stable (this
doesn't mean that he's worked through everything, just
that he's come to a point of doing more than existing
day by day) and fairly well trained.  i think that he
& savil were at k'treva for a few years.  so, it took
(estimate) 3 years to get this one trainee on his feet
-- the most powerful companion (advisor to the
monarch) cannot afford to spend that kind of time on
unrelated problems to the kingdom.  did van become
important later? yes.  however, the monarch &
monarch's own were concerned with "what is important
now and in 10-15-25 years, relating to these topics?" 

this is making taver & elspeth peacemaker sound
awfully cold-blooded, and that isn't what i meant.  as
the ruler & ruler's most trusted advisor, they had to
be concerned with the big picture.  one damaged
trainee does not a big picture make.
 
***hah!!! found the text ved -- in mpromise, not
mprice.  ok, so i was off by one book :)
p.29 "When Lancir died -- truth, I almost expected
Taver to Choose me King's Own." (van to 'fandes)

finally, here's a point that i've been wondering
about: does simply being chosen make a prince/princess
the monarch's heir?  what if the absolute baby would
be the best monarch?  would all of the companions hold
off on choosing any sibs until the baby has been
chosen, or would all the sibs be chosen at the
appropriate age, and the determination would be made
at a later date?  i guess we haven't seen a scenario
like this yet.  the twins don't exactly count -- one
will be monarch's hier, adn one will be monarch's own,
so i guess whomever's chosen first will be the heir
(unless talia meets an unfortunate accident, which i
doubt).

cheers,

freddie



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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 23:23:48 EDT
From: XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: WAY off topic: Birth Announcement
Message-ID: <a0.55da2fc.266dc8c4-+AT+-aol.com>

:grins:: thanks

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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 23:26:01 EDT
From: XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Ages
Message-ID: <de.5ddbf6a.266dc949-+AT+-aol.com>

In a message dated 6/5/00 6:42:18 PM Central Daylight Time, 
Ellvenbane-+AT+-aol.com writes:

<< Out of curiousity...   how old is everyone????  I myself am 19...  and if 
 anyonewould like to chat about misty schtuff, my handle is Ellvenbane on 
 AOHell..  (c:
 
 Kat >>


21 years......my handle is xshadowxbladeix   in the some AOHell as you hehehe

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Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 21:47:04 -0600
From: ShadowDreamer <shadskitty-+AT+-home.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Gate magic
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20000605214704.007496a0-+AT+-mail>

Song writes: (in response to my comment about gate magic)
>I just re-read MP, and as far as I can tell, that
>info's right. Exept that Tylendal pulled energy from
>Van; I think they said he could do it b/c of their
>lifebond. So mages with lifebonds can pull energy not
>only from themselves, but from their life-bonds as
>well if they have them.

Right. =)  I guess the reason I didn't mention that, was that I was
primarily concerned with not being able to use NODE magic for gates. =)
That's not the only place the books mention being able to use the energies
of lifebonded...  in one of the Winds series (I believe it was WoC, but not
sure, I'm in the middle of rereading them), Falconsbane even ponders on it.
 As to possible REASONS why one would be unable to cast the gatespell while
pulling from nodes, perhaps it takes up too much attention/too much of the
channel for that to work properly?  Which makes me wonder if perhaps the
lifebonded person might not be able to pull from a node, replacing some of
the energy...  but, well, that's speculation. =)


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Mindmate to the tawny eagle Ryia!
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Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 21:15:29 PDT
From: "Sky Tigress" <skytigress-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Ages
Message-ID: <20000606041529.26547.qmail-+AT+-hotmail.com>

>>Out of curiousity...   how old is everyone????  I myself am 19...<<

16 - and the worst driver you've ever seen. ;)

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Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 22:19:45 -0600
From: Yvonne <dprono-+AT+-planet.eon.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: MIST: Reminders
Message-ID: <393C7BE0.4F11F4D4-+AT+-planet.eon.net>

Heya all,

Just a reminder for all of you out there -- three, actually.

1) Please please PLEASE trim quoted text. It's a pain having to scroll
through pages of stuff you've already read to read a few sentences at
the bottom. A good rule of thumb is to make sure that your quoted text
is less than your reply.

2) No one-liners, please. They're a pain as well -- I got a message that
simply said 'congrats,' and while I send my congrats for both baby and
puppies (woo hoo! Kudos and chocolate sheep to you both!! :P) please, if
you're going to send them, send them directly to the new 'parents' --
it's not relevant for the rest of us. That, and it's hard on Vanyel the
Listserver.

3) Finally -- please BRAID. I hate having three messages from the same
person all in one day -- those replies could have been put into the same
message and sent out once. Again, it's hard on Vanyel.

But I am happy to see that people are talking!! I'm not trying to cow
(or is that sheep?) people into silence, only to remind certain Listsibs
that we do have a few rules of etiquette here on the MLML. If anyone
needs a refresher course, try either the Newbiefest at
http://www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/pers/misty/newbiefest.html
OR Auntie Mel's Rules of Thumb, found at
http://www.herald.co.uk/local_info/rules_thumb.html

Have fun,


Yvonne
Councillor of Mist
(minus the rest)


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Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 00:33:44 EDT
From: LCM46-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Ages
Message-ID: <e2.5588f12.266dd928-+AT+-aol.com>

In a message dated 06/06/2000 12:01:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
davidt-+AT+-cet.com writes:

<< 
 On Tue, 6 Jun 2000 Ellvenbane-+AT+-aol.com wrote:
 
 > Out of curiousity...   how old is everyone????  I myself am 19...  
 
 
 Old enough to be your father...
 8-{)#
 
 David H "God of typos" Tiffany
  >>

And I'm more than old enuf to be your mother--my 4th 'kid' is 19!
Lorraine/LaundryandDomestic Goddess  who has no obmisty, and nothing else to 
contribute at this time.  

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Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 12:00:05 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
From: Liz Hoffman <E.G.Hoffman-+AT+-soton.ac.uk>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: genes and we're all related, mages
Message-ID: <SIMEON.10006061205.A-+AT+-l36a.soton.ac.uk>

Theres too many people to quote so apologies that I'm not 
naming anyone.

Ma'ar Urtho and offsring.  
1,  The mutation that makes the "Magic" gene doesn't only 
have to have happened once, many mutations happen 
independently time and time again.  British Royal family, 
Queen Victoria had a mutation on one of her 2 X chromosomes 
that meant she carried haemophilia (only boys affected), 
which she then passed on to some of her sons who were 
affected and her daughters who were carries and passed it 
round most of the royal families of Europe.  Most people 
with haemophilia are totally unrelated to the British Royal 
family. 
But with a lot of genetic diseases like cystic fibrosis 
theres more than one mutation that can cause it all of 
which give a slightly different set of symptoms depending 
on which pair of mutations are inherited (its recessive), 
so does this mean that different types of mages eg healing 
mages vs normal mages have different mutations?

2, Trust me we're all related if you go back far enough, 
think about the ancestral Adam and Eve thing and come to 
think of it theres more variation with in a community / 
population than there is between them.  Its only the very 
little things that distinguish a Ma'ar from an Urtho.

Mages, can anyone remeber how many different mage schools 
there are?
Blue Mountain, White winds, Blood Mountain and or have I 
rem. the names wrong?

----------------------
Liz Hoffman
E.G.Hoffman-+AT+-soton.ac.uk


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Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 08:38:16 -0500
From: Julia Gray <jgray-+AT+-oakton.edu>
To: Mercedes Lackey Mailing List <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Braid of sorts, BB spoiler at end
Message-ID: <393CFEC8.F9554AE5-+AT+-oakton.edu>

Okay, my $.02

1. Genetics: Okay, I was wondering something else about genetics ... can
a new trait ever be created, or are all traits somehow part of genetic
code and present to a greater or lesser degree? I was wondering about
mage gift as a trait ... does everyone have it to a lesser degree?
Would an environment where magic was important to survival either create
a magical trait or would it just always be there and those with greater
degrees of it be more likely to carry on and those with a lesser degree
not survive?  I was trying to compare it to, say, skin tone.  if skin
tones over time were (and this is a non-biologist speaking so throw this
out if it makes no sense) developed as a response to the environment
people lived in, couldn't magic be developed in different ways and to
different degrees dependent on the environment people live in?  couldn't
the magic abilities in SeeJay (sp?) be different than the magic use in
valdemar?  doesn't the strong presence of mind-magic in valdemar perhaps
suggest that this could happen?  If that's so, then couldn't someone
have magic ability present in them, but perhaps not recognizable to
his/her countrymen as it's not the way "they" use magic?

2. OTs: Congrats to everyone who had babies :-) ; and i'm old enough to
be a mom to some of you; good bye to the tax zombie (who probably isn't
going to read this at this point).

3. Names thing - it would be unrealistic (maybe that's not the best
word) to not have names repeat.  How many famous Johns are there? or
Singhs? or Parks?  or ... well, you get the idea.  I don't think it's
lack of effort per se on ML's part to re-use names - it would make sense
in any world that names would be repeated, be popular at times and not
at others, and get changed over the years.

4. I have to add my general frustration with one-liners; this is not a
chat room.

5. BB SPOILER ... of sorts ....
(for those of you who don't choose to read further, here's your sheep
shaped toffees now...)
















Okay, hope that's far enough.
While I liked BB, there were elements in there that I didn't like but
made the story more effective.  I didn't particularly think that Lavan
showed much maturing in the book at all - but, in some ways that made
what happens at the end all that much more ... well, tragic and poignant
come to mind.  I didn't quite get the lifebond between a companion and
human, although thinking about "souls" bonding (ie tylendel/stefen and
van) and not, per se, beings bonding, made it easier to understand.  As
someone mentioned, for that person it was very important to have that
bond.  I thought for the type of book it is (more YA than not) it was
good; and for the information/insight it gives into Valdemar's past it
was invaluable.  Lavan reminded me of both Van, and somewhat of Harry
Potter.

I hope those are enough obmisty's to keep everyone satisfied.

Sheep shaped toffee for everyone.

betha'lis


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Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:37:16 -0600
From: winged_wolf-+AT+-juno.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Vkandis and Companions
Message-ID: <20000606.130802.-396525.3.Winged_Wolf-+AT+-juno.com>

On Tue, 6 Jun 2000 00:51:38 +0100 (BST) Sara Peek <saddlefan-+AT+-yahoo.com>
writes:
> 
> Maybe Firecats and Companions work together, but the
> Companions say they know nothing about Iftel, and they
> can't lie.  Being sprit creations, they would know at
> least something about their god's affairs.
> However, didn't Vkandis have a female consort in the
> Karsite archives? Could she have created Companions
> after she was "lost"? 

Vkandis' consort was called Kalanel....that would be Kal'enal <sp?>, the
Star Eyed. <g>
Did the Firecats even know about Iftel, until it  became crucial?  I
don't think the Companions would necessarily know everything their god
was up to.

--Winged Wolf
http://www.crosswinds.net/~wingedwolf/index.html
"Pardon me while I burst into flames...I've had enough of the world and
its' peoples' mindless games.
So pardon me while I burn, and rise above the flame, pardon me, pardon
me...don't ever be the same..."
                           --Incubus

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Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 18:32:06 EDT
From: XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Answer to the Talia as Sunpriest and BURNING SPOILERS
Message-ID: <e3.55a66ed.266ed5e6-+AT+-aol.com>

In a message dated 6/5/00 6:59:34 AM Central Daylight Time, Mar243-+AT+-aol.com 
writes:

<< Hey just to put my two sense in...Has anyone ever thought that they could 
all 
 be the same God?  Just called differently by different people.  In 
 StrmBreaking Solaris started speaking like Mother Earth which was part of 
the 
 religion in Hardorn.  Iftel and Karse are of the same religion and it seems 
 that Andesha saw 'Need' in the moon paths and she was of a different 
religion 
 all together.  Ive just always wondered and it seemed to make sense to me..
 Reana
  >>


I was thinking down the some path. After all it would exslapin the reson why 
everyone has the bridbones and the like. Just that they where given diffent 
jobs to do. It would be hard to go snicking in the woods with a horse no 
matter how small or nice. And to keep the justices with a howk or olw..

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Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 18:36:44 EDT
From: XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Van/Ma'ar
Message-ID: <7e.5db8f2e.266ed6fc-+AT+-aol.com>

I wasjust reading everything that everyone has written and I was thinking. 
Even if ma'ar was spreeding his seed where ever he could, it wouldn't really 
be his Genetics he was spreeding. It would be the person that he had tooken 
over. For not even magic can change the genetics of someone.

Shadow

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Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 18:40:55 EDT
From: XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Genetics and Magic WARNING STORMS AND MAGIC'S PRICE SPOILERS
Message-ID: <c3.655b284.266ed7f7-+AT+-aol.com>

In a message dated 6/5/00 11:59:10 AM Central Daylight Time, 
winged_wolf-+AT+-juno.com writes:

<< They are one and the same--Ma'ar only inhabited his descendents, and
 those descendents carry his genes. >>


Yes but genes change with every person down the line. 

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Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 18:43:14 EDT
From: XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Van/Ma'ar
Message-ID: <4e.684a540.266ed882-+AT+-aol.com>

In a message dated 6/5/00 12:04:25 PM Central Daylight Time, 
winged_wolf-+AT+-juno.com writes:

<< Actually, not--because Firesong was protected by a Vail and all the mages
 within it, and Elspeth was chosen before she began trying to use her Mage
 powers.  So they simply were not vulnerable. >>


But in WoFF wasn't Darkwinds father some what tooken over by Ma'ar to stop 
Darkwind from using his magic???

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Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 18:52:10 EDT
From: XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: BRIGHTLY BURNING SPECULATION <WARNING-SPOILERS>
Message-ID: <ca.5a47e02.266eda9a-+AT+-aol.com>

I was thinking after reading Wintersongs post...Could it have been Van's aint 
that come back as a companion? She did know Tylendel every close as he was 
her pordigy, and she would know about his feelings and what happen up intill 
his death and maybe after from Van.

Shadow

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Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 18:53:34 EDT
From: XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: I'M BACK!!!!!!!!!- Black Swan
Message-ID: <32.604d744.266edaee-+AT+-aol.com>

In a message dated 6/5/00 4:57:25 PM Central Daylight Time, 
WINTERSONG-+AT+-prodigy.net writes:

<< When I read Black Swan, I thought I was reading a fairy tale.  I think for 
a
 stand alone book for adults/ teens, it was weak. Howevr, think about reading
 this book to a young child at bedtime.  In that sense, it was unique among
 Misty's books.
 
 Just my 2 copper's worth
 wintersong >>


Black swan was based on a play call swan lake....So I could see how it would 
be week, I haven't read it yet but hope to after I get done with the Owl books

Shadow

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Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 18:56:05 EDT
From: XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Pulling magic
Message-ID: <e2.55e5e7c.266edb85-+AT+-aol.com>

In a message dated 6/5/00 5:52:33 PM Central Daylight Time, 
songjewel-+AT+-yahoo.com writes:

<< I just re-read MP, and as far as I can tell, that
 info's right. Exept that Tylendal pulled energy from
 Van; I think they said he could do it b/c of their
 lifebond. So mages with lifebonds can pull energy not
 only from themselves, but from their life-bonds as
 well if they have them.
 
 ~Song
  >>

Would pulling magic from someone be like pulling it from a node (Mspelled) 

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Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 18:57:53 EDT
From: XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Vkandis and Companions
Message-ID: <8e.607dd05.266edbf1-+AT+-aol.com>

In a message dated 6/5/00 6:44:49 PM Central Daylight Time, 
saddlefan-+AT+-yahoo.com writes:

<< Off the subject, Heralds can lie, sort of.  Skif tried
 to lie to Elspeth, but his voice was so shaky he
 couldn't make her believe him.  This from a kid who
 grew up having to lie regularly.  However,  I don't
 think he would have lied except he was already being
 pretty sneaky, knowing about the Companions' plans for Elspeth.
 
 >>


Its not really lieing if you just with hold info. Or if Elspeth never really 
asked Skif what was up he wouldn't really have to tell her. Only when she did 
he couldn't lie.....right......

Shadow

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Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 18:59:11 EDT
From: XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Time to go +other stuff.
Message-ID: <30.61249c4.266edc3f-+AT+-aol.com>

In a message dated 6/5/00 7:47:59 PM Central Daylight Time, Kristjan-+AT+-wager.dk 
writes:

<< Hi listsibs
 
 Okay, I think I need to step up on my soapbox - I have just received 16
 mails from the MLML, but they were only sent by 8 listsibs, and this is
 annoying. Please braid your mails, instead of sending of a lot of mails,
 which often are just short replies to other peoples' posts.
  >>
Aint that what a mailing list if for???

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Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 19:05:45 EDT
From: XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Shay'a'chern and Genes
Message-ID: <5b.6cc1039.266eddc9-+AT+-aol.com>

I look at it this way. IF your going to hate me and pont out what is bad 
about me just because iam Shay'a'chern then at lest let me do the some to 
you. Let me tell you what I see is wrong with you and let everyone eealys 
that you have ever done this to, and we will see how will you like it. Poeple 
its not the faced that I love a man that you have a p/b with its the faced 
that you can't love yourself enf to know better then to hate someone for 
loving soemone ealys.

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Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 19:07:55 EDT
From: XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Ages
Message-ID: <67.5127926.266ede4b-+AT+-aol.com>

LOL hey at 21 and just lurning how to drive.......me the wrost driver lol

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Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 00:12:07 +0100 (BST)
From: troll-+AT+-netcomuk.co.uk
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Van/Ma'ar
Message-ID: <20006701315441-+AT+-netcomuk.co.uk>

On 06/07/00 00:12:48 XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com wrote:
>(snip)
>For not even magic can change the genetics of someone.

Magic, being a fictional concept, can do whatever the author decides it can.
Never read Tolkien? Orcs were bred by magic(the first orcs were modified
elves, so obviously in that milieu magic can and does affect genetics).
Plenty of other settings exist too where magic affects genetics. Whether
magic *in Velgarth* can affect genetics, we don't know as yet, until Misty
says one way or the other.

Yet another reminder: can people(no names)please braid? There's no need
to get a whole stack of four-line posts from the same person in one evening.

Grateful trollhugs in advance,
Muranog Shadowbane
(rest of .sig snipped since it's a short post)



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Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 17:14:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Aurora Dawnstar <auroradawnstar-+AT+-excite.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: I am not amused!
Message-ID: <19772704.960336879679.JavaMail.imail-+AT+-slippery>

Heyla Listsibs.  I am not in a happy frame of mind at this time.  I just
received 9! messages from the same listsib within the space of an hour,
mostly one-liners.  This is very annoying.  Please, everyone, think before
you hit send!  Counselors, can't something be done about this?
Aurora Dawnstar





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Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 21:17:35 EDT
From: MDennis460-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk, XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com
Subject: Re: Ages
Message-ID: <30.6128fef.266efcaf-+AT+-aol.com>

Why are you posting all these messages, many of them make no sense, and do 
you know how to use a spell checker?

What are you trying to accomplish?

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Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 19:34:56 -0600
From: Nicole Fletcher <fletchn-+AT+-telusplanet.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Ages
Message-ID: <393DA6BF.D54BFC9-+AT+-telusplanet.net>

"Um-ah-well, *clears throat and fidgits sheepishly* Um, I'll *Cough Cough* be
-er- thirteen in a few days...  *Trails off ashamed*

~Nicole Chosen of D'faindes


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Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 21:32:39 -0400
From: "Rhianna Lynn" <ashke-+AT+-greenapple.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: ML: Re: I am not amused!
Message-ID: <200006070135.VAA21277-+AT+-core.greenapple.com>

Heyla all!

Aurora Dawnstar wrote:

<snip> I just received 9! messages from the same listsib within the space of an hour,
> mostly one-liners.  This is very annoying.  Please, everyone, think before
> you hit send!  Counselors, can't something be done about this?

	I agree with you completely! I wrote to him and asked him not 
to send so many one-liners and he either ignored my email or didn't 
recieve it, but an hour later there were two more posts. I feel that it 
is excessive and am all with the people reminding, asking, and 
reminding everyone to please braid! A huge THANK YOU to those 
of you who do braid! <end rant>

OBMisty:
	I just got myself a copy of Black Swan the other day and am 
about halfway through it. I find it an enjoyable book so far. 
Someone suggested, and I appologize for not noting who it was 
before I deleted, that it would be a good book to read to children at 
bedtime. While I do not at all condone censorship, I have to 
disagree with that idea. It's a bit, well, "adult" in places and not 
what I recognize as Misty's normal style; I've never read anything of 
hers that ventures into such sexual territory. It's only a couple 
places and it's not bad, but I wouldn't read it aloud to a child young 
enough to want a bedtime story.
	I can't wait for Burning Brightly to come into paperback here! Is 
it even in print in paperback yet? If it is, I may have to have the 
local bookstore order it for me. I can't stand all the spoilers that I 
can't read yet! *laughs* Many thanks to everyone for putting spoiler 
space, by the way. I know I'm not the only one who appreciates.

	Well, that's enough for one post. I'll go back to lurkdom now. 
Be well, everyone!

Honey drenched oat-cake sheep,
Rhianna

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Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 22:09:01 EDT
From: XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: I am not amused!
Message-ID: <3b.5d7bbf2.266f08bd-+AT+-aol.com>

In a message dated 6/6/00 7:28:41 PM Central Daylight Time, 
auroradawnstar-+AT+-excite.com writes:

<< Heyla Listsibs.  I am not in a happy frame of mind at this time.  I just
 received 9! messages from the same listsib within the space of an hour,
 mostly one-liners.  This is very annoying.  Please, everyone, think before
 you hit send!  Counselors, can't something be done about this?
 Aurora Dawnstar >>


<color><param>0100,0100,0100</param>Correction. I just recieved 
<bold>TEN</bold> one-liners from you.


Heyla
    I just recieved SIX messages from you in the past 15 minutes. 
Good lord! Do you not believe in braiding? If you don't understand it, 
I'll be happy to explain it to you, and if you DO understand it, 
please use it! It's not that I don't value your comments just as 
much as anyone else's, but six in one day is a bit excessive.
    PLEASE braid your posts! None of them were more than a 
paragraph long, it wouldn't take much to put them together. 
Braiding is not that difficult and it saves time on both my part and 
yours, and it keeps the rest of the list from getting angry with you!
    I thank you in advance.

Cotton candy sheep to you,
Rhianna



Allrighty are all you people happy?????????? I braid and this maybe the last 
time I do it. The reson I sent out all the post is because I have not been on 
for afew days and  the mail in my box was old and i want to replay to all of 
it before it disappered from my mail box in about 5 mints, thats one of the 
resons  I did it. The other is because I have a lurning disoder that makes it 
every hard for me to keep one inde in my head for longer then 5 mints. If did 
braided them I will have to copy and past everything that iam reading into 
one mail and will everyone is complaining about that as will. Saying that its 
to long to read, and the like. So all of you get togeather and deside what 
you want me to do braid and have long emails that someone is going to 
complain about or do what I have been doing. And this is allso something to 
think about before desiding some imed me with this.

 Jodie8581:  i joined it cause i like misty
its easier to follow the ideas too if you have only one message


And he is right it is much easier to fallow everyones ideas and but them 
together rather then having one email about thinging that the mailng list has 
on it.

Anyways just let me know and if you want to kick me of for it go right ahead. 

Shadow

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Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 23:11:01 EDT
From: Paustinnew-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: I am not amused!
Message-ID: <9.66bfc92.266f1745-+AT+-aol.com>

I'd recommend you just answer one or two of the most intriguing messages. Put 
your time and efforts into one or two, rather than blasting out eight or 
nine. Concentrate on those. I personally have very limited time on line right 
now, and have no time to read a lot of messages by the same person.
Spoiler for Brightly Burning
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I found Misty's latest effort, Brightly Burning, to be less than great in 
some respects. I felt the refusal of the parents to believe their children 
about the abuse was excessive. I'm not saying that can't happen -- but if 
your daughter came home with her face painted green more than once, I think 
I'd start wondering what was going on.
Overall, I don't think this was her best work. I can't help feeling like 
she's got caught in the "I-hate-my-parents" writing syndrome that makes most 
adults out to be intolerant, or just plain stupid. 
And before anyone says anything -- I went through all kinds of hell in 
school, and my parents didn't always believe me. But I still find Brightly 
Burning to be hard to swallow whole.
Pam, who goes by Map

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Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 23:10:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: "John Anthony Kazos Jr." <jkazos-+AT+-vt.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Braiding <-- Re: I am not amused!
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0006062305140.2149-100000-+AT+-jkazos.campus.vt.edu>

If everyone here is complaining about me, I did receive the message from the
admin about braiding, and since it didn't seem to ask for a reply, only for me
to read and understand it, I did not send a reply to it. I received the message
about braiding a good while after I had sent the last message, so if you
received more messages, it was mail server delay, not rebellion. Go into
full-headers mode in your reader and you'll see where the delay occurred. So,
if you're complaining about me, stop.

If you're not complaining about me, then please disregard this message.


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Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 22:14:21 -0500
From: Amy Trujillo <trujillo-+AT+-southwind.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: I am not amused!
Message-ID: <393DBE0D.83FE2BB9-+AT+-southwind.net>

Heyla listsibs,

Shadow, I think you are missing the point that several were trying to make
including Yvonne.  Braiding does two things: 1. Some people on the list believe
it or not DO have to pay for their email it costs them each time someone posts so
short multiple posts from one person can be costly to them.  Be courteous to your
listsibs please.
2. Small multiple posts can be hard on the list server Vanyel, who is a
cantankerous old thing at the best of times.  Everyone wants the list up and
running.  I'm not saying that your posts alone would do it but if everyone
started multiple small postings Vanyel might up and die and there would be no
Misty list till Auntie Mel got it running again.

If nothing else braiding and no one liners are the standing rules for the list as
stated in the newbie fest and Auntie Mel's rules of thumb.  You may not like the
idea of braiding but believe me in the long run it works much better.

Now having said all this I need to come up with an obMisty:

Ok this will start off as a quickie one at least...just how old is Rolan? He
wasn't the Monarch's Own Companion in The Last Herald Mage from what I can
remember but he is obviously many decades if not centuries old, has Misty given
any hints that I missed?  He's alive in Brightly Burning and from what I've
gathered this was the reign of Roald from the Oath books parents. So that makes
it at least a couple of centuries I think by the time of the Owl books.

Also Rhianna asked about Brightly Burning coming out in paperback.  Unfortunately
for those listsibs who can't afford hardback it just came out in that form so it
will probably be another year before it makes it to paperback.

Also everyone has been focusing on the Velgarth books lately what about the rest
We've mentioned Black Swan, which I think is very weak, but I loved the Fire
Rose.  I also really enjoyed the Di Tregarde books and the one Jenny Talldear
book. too bad between the books not selling too well and the idiots trying to
harass Misty she decided to stop writing them.  I personally loved the Tannim
books of the Serrated Edge series.  I also enjoyed the Bardic Voices books
although I haven't read them in awhile.

Hmm think that's all for now,

Chocolate cherry cheesecake sheep to everyone,

Amy
Ferret Friend
Lady of All Things Missing, Especially Socks
Soon to be english citizen and very happily engaged chickee :)


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