MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2344 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Hard-core sex? No, no, no, no, no... by Reanna Laury 2) Re: YA vrs. "hardcore" by Jaec Songblade 3) New books by "Tammi Hinds" 4) Re: Song and Book by Nicole Fletcher 5) Re: New books by Paustinnew-+AT+-aol.com 6) Re: character depth, BB spoiler & deep authors (OT) by freddie mac 7) Re: [Re: New books] by rebecca skeel ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 06:22:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Reanna Laury To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Hard-core sex? No, no, no, no, no... Message-ID: <20000705132229.20677.qmail-+AT+-web1611.mail.yahoo.com> > Songjewel wrote: > > >> I think what we may be disliking about her YA > style is that she doesn't write as much about > romantic or sexual relationships...in all the books > people tend to love, there is some king of > relationship like that. In O- and BB, there isn't > really any hard-core stuff Keisha and Daren are > together, but not in detail, << What sexual relationships? We have never seen them! The only "sex" scene I can think of is between Elspeth and Darkwind in "Winds of Change" and Talia and Kris in "Arrow's Flight". And Skif and Nyara in the first Winds book. Okay, maybe she does have "love" scenes. But they are very tastefully done with no graphic descriptions or anything. I don't think of Misty's books as having sex scenes and would be very disappointed if she started including them. I'm not interested in reading about sex, I'm interested in reading about people and their problems and triumphs. If I wanted sex, I'd pick up any run-of-the-mill romance book. In fact, I think it's refreshing to focus on the characters and not what they do in bed. It would get boring after awhile. I mean how many times can you write "And they soared together like two hawks as they joined..." Hell, I'd even love to see a book where there *isn't* a pairing or love bond. I know that love is a major part of everyone's lives and it's something to live for and blah blah blah. But truthfully, I want to read a book where the heroine or hero *doesn't* get the prince or princess, or where the hero or heroine isn't even (horrors!) interested in love. In all of her Valdemar books, Misty has managed to have some love interest. I want to see one without. But, of course, I'm a cynic about love. Somewhere along the way, my "romance" switch got turned off. (I can't stand to watch those trite, cliche, stupidly fuzzy soft romantic comedies. Ick, ick, ick!) Or even a fantasy book which looks at the meaning of the universe and the exhistence of life??!!! What a novel idea!!! Back, foul fiend! No one wants to contemplate why we exist or what life is for! Those are troubling topics! Heaven forbid someone tackle that topic in a fantasy setting! ~Reanna (who hopes no one was offended with her rather strident opinion) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:07:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Jaec Songblade To: MLML Subject: Re: YA vrs. "hardcore" Message-ID: <20000705170744.29790.qmail-+AT+-web4802.mail.yahoo.com> Heyla, Laura said it best with the most explaination. The romances are just there, no developement, haven't read Owlknight yet but started it at the library, they suddenly were together, too fast for me. Question, a friend and I have been pondering this for a few years it feels like, there's a quote, it's really good, and we can't figure out where it's from, could be from Misty, but it could be from any other of the hundreds of other authors we read, it's like, "if you have to pay for it, you don't deserve it". Where's it from? It sounds like Kero but it was like to servants talking and a character overheard it. Any help will be much appreciated in unraveling this mystery. Zhai'helleva, Jaec "Ice cream is sticky." - Me __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 12:21:45 -0500 From: "Tammi Hinds" To: Subject: New books Message-ID: <000901bfe6a5$7e27e7c0$463c630a-+AT+-acctgl1.wspAD463.wspan.com> Does anyone know if there are any stories written about Moondance or Brightstar?(other than in the Magic Price Series. Also, if there has been any more stories written in this Timeline? I am a big fan of all of the Valdemar series but the Magic Series is my favorite. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 14:54:49 -0600 From: Nicole Fletcher To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Song and Book Message-ID: <3963A099.788CBC69-+AT+-telusplanet.net> "Heyla Listsibs!!!" "OK, that song by Vertical Horizon may not explain lifebonds but I found one by Great Big Sea that explains Lavan's point-of-Choosing perfectly!!!! You know the song probably, maybe, well fine! Many of you probably don't even know about Great Big Sea... it's called 'Can't Stop Falling', it goes: "oh no, I can't stop falling/my heart betrays me/and I know I start to feel it all again/won't someone save me?..." "I don't know, you might not think it goes with the part.... I heard it on the radio just after reading that part before and I just figured that it fit pretty well!" ~Nicole Chosen of D'faindes. "I just came back from the best Canada day vacation EVER!!! (Well, if you weren't an Albertan yahoo ten you'd probably call it the worst but what the heck!) Red-and-white jube-jube sheep to all Canadians here!!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed Jul 05 19:43:01 2000 From: Paustinnew-+AT+-aol.com To: Subject: Re: New books Message-ID: <200007052350.AAA01280-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> Listsibs -- a moment of your time. A while back, someone on this list was doing a survey for school, and asked for some comments on our personal beliefs and religion. I went ahead and responded. Now, I find that all my comments, along with my full name, have been posted to the internet. I keep my name and personal information off the internet, because I have been harassed in the past by a stalker. Be careful what you respond to on this list. Obviously, the person who did the survey has serious problems with the concept of privacy. I've already e-mailed the member off-line, but wanted the rest of you to know about it, so that you aren't suckered in! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 18:33:27 -0700 (PDT) From: freddie mac To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: character depth, BB spoiler & deep authors (OT) Message-ID: <20000706013327.17153.qmail-+AT+-web3402.mail.yahoo.com> hi guys -- coming out of lurkdom for this one ... :) i have to agree w/ the previous posts (laura rossier, songjewel, bertie, and ???) that a certain *depth* seems to be missing from the recent velgarth books. i've still found them enjoyable, but not on par w/ lhm (which dragged me into misty's world after i bypassed queen's for years!!). i don't think that it's just my weakness for shaych relationships that makes lhm so enjoyable -- but it's difficult to pinpoint exactly *what* was so nifty. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ BB discussed below no, it wasn't the sexual component. that was nice, but if you want a very tense "sex" scene (no clothes even come of), then try towards the end of "heritage of hastur" by mzb (hint: dani & regis in the travel shelter). i think that i'm going to fall back on the vague terms of "complexity" and "depth" that seem to be lacking lately. i think that there was more to lavan's story, and i'm beginning to agree with people who felt this was rushed. possibly if the book could have been a bit longer? i can understand misty's desire to keep this as a single volume (short life = 1 book), but there's something missing. now, onto OT! one of my favorite *deep* authors is c.j. cherryh. please be warned that if you do NOT like deep & complex novels, avoid her at all costs!! a good starter is gate of ivrel (#1 in morigaine cycle; i think this has just been repackaged w/ the other two books as "moriganine cycle"?). thin, but you get a fairly good taste of her style. if you like political intrigue (tom clancy w/ aliens?), then try pride of chanur or foreigner. feeling rather adventurous, and wanting to learn all about the ethical complications of cloning? try cyteen. in general she writes more of the sciency stuff than fantasy, but even her fantasy novels (magic & swords) are very complex. ummm ... drinking sapphire wine & don't bite the sun by tanith lee are also excellent. again, they're thin (& just repackaged also, possibly called biting the sun?), but fantastic! fuzzy sheep to all (apologies for the red white & blue ones -- we prepped them for bastille day!) freddie __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: 5 Jul 00 23:38:19 EST From: rebecca skeel To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: [Re: New books] Message-ID: <20000706043819.18116.qmail-+AT+-www0j.netaddress.usa.net> Can't something be done about that issue from a legal stand point? At the very least that is like invasion of privacy, even if you did give your information to just one person. That seems like it would be the same thing as if a magazine printed something personal about you without your permission. Rebecca Paustinnew-+AT+-aol.com wrote: Listsibs -- a moment of your time. A while back, someone on this list was doing a survey for school, and asked for some comments on our personal beliefs and religion. I went ahead and responded. Now, I find that all my comments, along with my full name, have been posted to the internet. I keep my name and personal information off the internet, because I have been harassed in the past by a stalker. Be careful what you respond to on this list. Obviously, the person who did the survey has serious problems with the concept of privacy. I've already e-mailed the member off-line, but wanted the rest of you to know about it, so that you aren't suckered in! ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2344 **********************************