MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2360 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Sheesh! by Silvrhwk1-+AT+-aol.com 2) Re: Sheesh! by T Stafford 3) Re: Sheesh! by XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com 4) Re: Sheesh! by Kenneth Allen Hyde 5) Re: Sheesh! by winged_wolf-+AT+-juno.com 6) Re: [Companions Choice] by rebecca skeel ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 01:42:06 EDT From: Silvrhwk1-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Sheesh! Message-ID: <1e.853f307.26aa8e2e-+AT+-aol.com> Heyla! Winged Wolf said >>I meant that the methods she gives for working with Gifts and even magery to a certain degree are based on Wiccan practices (IE grounding and centering, etc). The system she uses to describe the controlled use of Gifts and magic is heavily based on the real Wiccan magickal systems >> Yes! I'm in absolute agreement. Misty does use a LOT of Wiccan ideas and concepts and things that are based on RL Magickal practices in her books. It's great to know that other Wiccans out there have noticed too! Is it just me, or do parts of her books sometimes seem like a step by step guide to Magick 101? :) Just out of curiosity(and I'm not trying to start a religious debate or anything so please don't flame me), how many other Wiccans or Pagans ARE there on the list? I was just wondering... :) Vegetarian sheep to all! Silverhawk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 06:56:13 -0700 (PDT) From: T Stafford To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Sheesh! Message-ID: <20000722135613.947.qmail-+AT+-web116.yahoomail.com> > > Just out of curiosity(and I'm not trying to start a > religious debate or > anything so please don't flame me), how many other > Wiccans or Pagans ARE > there on the list? I was just wondering... :) > > Silverhawk > Ah, you can count me and my ke'chara in on that. And we have noticed Misty's use. In fact, whenever folks on the pagan newslist I am in ask for authors to read, her name ususally comes up very quickly! Someone had asked about the Herald's goddess - I didn;t realized that there was one that most worshiped. I thought that the Heralds, like th erest of Valdemar, were a religious grab-bag. theologically minded sheep to all! Teresa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 13:43:13 EDT From: XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Sheesh! Message-ID: In a message dated 7/22/00 12:44:51 AM Central Daylight Time, Silvrhwk1-+AT+-aol.com writes: << Just out of curiosity(and I'm not trying to start a religious debate or anything so please don't flame me), how many other Wiccans or Pagans ARE there on the list? I was just wondering... :) >> ::waves:: ME ME Wiccan in Trianning ::Dances around before running off, Runs back:: While we are at it, how many people have green hair tatoos and the like?? whenever folks on the pagan newslist What list are you on ki_moira-+AT+-yahoo.com (T Stafford)? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 15:14:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Kenneth Allen Hyde To: Misty Lackey List Subject: Re: Sheesh! Message-ID: On Fri, 21 Jul 2000 winged_wolf-+AT+-juno.com wrote: > If M. Lackey is not Wiccan, I would be quite surprised--she's > presented enough "inside information" in her books to reveal that > she's studied it intensely. (The design of Need and the Seax-Wicca > necklace she was wearing in a photo I saw also suggest it. ). I think that Misty has actually said, in interviews, that she is not Wiccan. But this was second-hand info for me (i.e., I never read the articles). I don't think that the magic system in Valdemar necessarily shows a clear and exclusively Wiccan origin. It's pretty generic, actually. Now obviously, the Di Tregarde novels have a much more explicit connection since Di is a witch of some sort (I can't remember whether the narration states that she is Wiccan or not). But honestly, Van doesn't seem very "Wiccan" to me. His magic seems more elemental, like incantry or sorcery, rather than new-age witchcraft [I use the term "new-age" to distinguish it from older ideas about witchcraft]. For one thing, he's not really nature-centered or oriented. For that matter, even the magic of the Hawkbrothers isn't particular tied to nature. I mean, they are environmentalists, but their *magic* doesn't seem to be terribly connected to nature. The magic system in Misty actually seems to be just a syncretism of generic fantasy fiction magic. BTW, if you are really interested in witchcraft in fantasy fiction, I recommend skimming through the Vlad Taltos books, by Steven Brust. The main character is a human witch who is an assassin in a land of non-human sorcerors. There are some very interesting musings on the difference between "witchcraft" and "sorcery." May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd Councilor of Mist Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me //www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/prof/ken.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 21:53:42 -0600 From: winged_wolf-+AT+-juno.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Sheesh! Message-ID: <20000722.222429.-510437.21.Winged_Wolf-+AT+-juno.com> On Sat, 22 Jul 2000 06:52:07 +0100 (BST) Silvrhwk1-+AT+-aol.com writes: > Yes! I'm in absolute agreement. Misty does use a LOT of Wiccan > ideas and > concepts and things that are based on RL Magickal practices in her > books. > It's great to know that other Wiccans out there have noticed too! > Is it just > me, or do parts of her books sometimes seem like a step by step > guide to > Magick 101? :) I'm actually not Wiccan, I use a different "mind-magic" system, (no grounding for example), so I suppose it's even more glaringly obvious. ;) Oh, and for the person who asked--I actually read Di Tregarde FIRST...they are still my favorite books. :) I think Children of the Night was one of the most original books to come down the pipeline in a long while, and it still stands out as my favorite M.Lackey book, and might possibly be my favorite book of all time. (Out of the literal thousands I've read, that's an impressive feat). On Sat, 22 Jul 2000 20:37:47 +0100 (BST) Kenneth Allen Hyde writes: > I think that Misty has actually said, in interviews, that she is not > Wiccan. But this was second-hand info for me (i.e., I never read > the > articles). If so, she has studied it intensively, or done a lot of interviewing of those who have. > I don't think that the magic system in Valdemar > necessarily > shows a clear and exclusively Wiccan origin. It's pretty generic, > actually. Now obviously, the Di Tregarde novels have a much more > explicit > connection since Di is a witch of some sort (I can't remember > whether the > narration states that she is Wiccan or not). Yes, she is Wiccan. > But honestly, Van > doesn't > seem very "Wiccan" to me. His magic seems more elemental, like incantry > or sorcery, rather than new-age witchcraft [I use the term "new-age" to > distinguish it from older ideas about witchcraft]. For one thing, he's > not really nature-centered or oriented. For that matter, even the magic > of the Hawkbrothers isn't particular tied to nature. I mean, they are > environmentalists, but their *magic* doesn't seem to be terribly connected > to nature. The magic system in Misty actually seems to be just a > syncretism of generic fantasy fiction magic. Not really--the very basics of the magick he learns is very obviously Wiccan--"ground and center" being the first essentials of that training. No other magickal system I know of uses that combination of terms and actions, except those closely related to Wicca. While he is not practicing Wicca, the methods of manipulating energy that he uses are described using a Wiccan view of energy working. > BTW, if you are really interested in witchcraft in fantasy fiction, I > recommend skimming through the Vlad Taltos books, by Steven Brust. The > main character is a human witch who is an assassin in a land of non-human > sorcerors. There are some very interesting musings on the difference > between "witchcraft" and "sorcery." Read them a long time ago. :) --Winged Wolf http://www.crosswinds.net/~wingedwolf/index.html "Pardon me while I burst into flames...I've had enough of the world and its' peoples' mindless games. So pardon me while I burn, and rise above the flame, pardon me, pardon me...don't ever be the same..." --Incubus ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jul 00 23:49:04 EST From: rebecca skeel To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: [Companions Choice] Message-ID: <20000723044904.10354.qmail-+AT+-wwcst088.netaddress.usa.net> Heyla, Just my opinion, and I may be wrong, but I think that no one knows, including the Lady herself, who a companion will chose til that companion is ready and the person is too. Just my opinion, probably wrong, but I took a chance. Rebecca "Vanessa Foxx" wrote: Heyla everyone! I'm kinda new and this is my first post, so forgive me if I do anything really stupid! I was wondering, in one of the Wind books Elspeth is talking to Gwena and Gwena says there will be competition for which Companion get to Choose Elspeth's twin siblings. And in Brightly Burning, Satiran is talking to Pol about how Companion's sometimes have "false alarms"? I always kinda thought that it was predestined which Companion chose which Herald. What do you all think? Vanessa ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2360 **********************************