MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2379 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: ADMIN: Re: A Poem Of Valdemar by "Dan Halford" 2) copyrights by Abby Normal 3) Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 2378 by "Abigail Laughlin" 4) RE: copyrights by "L. J. Thompson" 5) Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 2378 by "Rhianna Lynn" 6) Fanfic and copywrite issues. by Lisa Whitman 7) Copyrights by Kenneth Allen Hyde 8) Re: god/goddess by XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com 9) Re: Fanfic and copywrite issues. by "Rhianna Lynn" 10) I'm Baaa-aaaack! by "Li'nia Stormdancer" 11) Re: a voice in the darkness ;-) by CmdrDTroi-+AT+-aol.com 12) Re: Fanfic and copywrite issues. by CmdrDTroi-+AT+-aol.com 13) Re: Copyrights by CmdrDTroi-+AT+-aol.com 14) Re: Fanfic and copywrite issues. by "Dan Halford" 15) Fanfic and Such... by "Li'nia Stormdancer" 16) Re: Fanfic and copywrite issues. by "David H. Tiffany" 17) Re: Fanfic and copywrite issues. by "David H. Tiffany" 18) Re: Fanfic and copywrite issues. by "Dan Halford" 19) Flaming by Tessa Raethen 20) CmdrDTroi/Taz, and fanfic by Katarina Darkchyld 21) cover colors by Brentie 22) hhhhmmmmm by Brentie ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 19:01:20 +0100 From: "Dan Halford" To: Subject: Re: ADMIN: Re: A Poem Of Valdemar Message-ID: <002b01c003be$5facbec0$ef00a8c0-+AT+-dan> > This applies to everyone. Absolutely no fan-fic (including songs, poems, > or stories) can be posted to this list. If it happens again, I for one, > will strongly urge Mel to remove the person from the list permanently. I > like this list, and don't want see it be shut down and the list-owner get > in trouble because someone thinks that laws don't apply to them. > > This is not funny, it is not "innocent," and IT WILL NOT BE TOLERATED! > > Cennydd > Councilor of Mist Not to mention it was drivel. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:14:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Abby Normal To: MLML Subject: copyrights Message-ID: <20000811191437.3753.qmail-+AT+-web4702.mail.yahoo.com> Bright the day, I understand the ban on fan-fic, but, having never taken a Con. Law course, am not quite clear on some points. I know that copyright laws prohibit published works of fan-fic, but it was my understanding that it was not illegal to write something for oneself and show it to a few friends. Posting something to the list is not publishing it, but it is making it public, and I don't quite understand the technicalities of it (I understand you can't do it; I'd like to understand precisely why). I'm also wondering how far this ban extends - would it be illegal to study one of Mercedes Lackey's books in school and write an essay on it? (I don't think so; correct me if I'm wrong.) Would it be illegal to publish the essay? If someone could clear this up for me I'd be most grateful. OBMisty: On the issue of Skan, Falconsbane and bleaching, Skan's physical body was caught in a powerful work of magic, while Falconsbane/Ma'ar only had his spirit in the void. For whatever physical reason, magic bleaches living beings; while in the void, Skan was caught in the Gate-spell for a protracted period of time. It is generally the act of working magic that causes bleaching, but exposure to it will do the same at a lesser rate (there's a quote somewhere in LHM about the Tayledras). Ma'ar's body was never in the void to be exposed to magic like that. Ambermoon Singer of Fire __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 19:56:32 GMT From: "Abigail Laughlin" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 2378 Message-ID: My thoughts on the whole issue of why Skandranon bleached and Falconsbane didn't... First off, they were both in the same place--the void between Gates. And it was An'desha's body that Falconsbane took there and brought back out (where else would An'desha have been while all of this was going on?). The situations were a little different, though. Skan got stuck between the two ends of one Gate, and there was a lot of power flaring and such going on while he was stuck there. The Gate was also almost too small for a gryphon (Aubri stuck for a moment before making it through, and lost some feathers), so Skan was in contact with the edges... on the recieving end of a lot of raw power. Falconsbane went through an open-ended Gate and floated in the void for a while, then got pulled through another open-ended Gate back into the land of the living. He was never subject to the same kind of forces that Skandranon was. So... no bleaching. Just my take. Zha'hai'allav'a, Raven Darkblade and Mor the raven, Holy Hand of the Goddess of Elves, Member of the Mistic Circle, Webmaster of the Circle of Stone, Knight and Founding Member of the Order of Unsung Heroes; http://www.angelfire.com/ky/Ashke/ - The Labyrinth ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:40:45 -0700 From: "L. J. Thompson" To: Subject: RE: copyrights Message-ID: <000001c003dc$ce9f2ac0$39d2fea9-+AT+-basil> I wonder/worry about this too. I'm a communications major (communications is the study of, among other things, messages in media and popular culture) and often write papers analyzing various things that I just enjoy. The final paper I wrote for one of my classes last spring was a semiotics analysis of series of different covers used for a certain Tanith Lee novel. Obviously, as an undergrad, I'm not going to be able to get any of my papers published anywhere except on my website or the website of one of my close friends, but I still wish I knew more about copyright laws in such regard. I'm decently sure that writing a paper and turning it in to a professor is well in the bounds of copyright law (and well below the radar of most lawyers anyway) but I'm not entirely sure what permissions you need to get for publication. I know you can write reviews of a text without fear of repercussion of the type that you find in newspapers and so forth (I'm pretty sure that's part of "fair use"), but I'm not sure about longer, in-depth analyses. Judging by what I've seen in various texts I've read, though, it's perfectly fine to write such things. (although it is possible that the author's permission was obtained in those cases.) I believe a good dividing line is whether what you would write is an original analysis *about* that book or setting, but is itself non-fiction (such a review in a newspaper or a paper comparing how two different authors handle a given theme)and such is a part of academia (although still may not be appropriate for this list) or is attempting to be a *part* of that setting or tell a (fictional) story in/about that setting, in which case it would violate copyright. I'm sure there are some subtleties I'm missing, but that's what I gather. On another note, I thought Misty didn't mind the online distribution of original filksongs based on her works? Or has that changed? DISCLAIMER: I'm no lawyer, and in no position of authority on this list. Therefore, nothing I say should be taken as the advice of someone in either position. DISCLAIMER THE SECOND: I'm not a newbie! I just haven't posted in over a year! I swear! And I'm really, really sorry about never posting the results of the '99 Misties! My life ate my online time, but I'm better now..... May squirrels never take a liking to your teeth, L.J. Thompson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:45:02 -0400 From: "Rhianna Lynn" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 2378 Message-ID: <200008112145.RAA05821-+AT+-core.greenapple.com> I1 suppose I'll take a turn here. (: I personally thought that there were a few good reasons for Skan to have been bleached and Falconsbane not to. First, Skan was unprotected during his stay in the void. Falconsbane had that little hidey-hole of his that he went to as soon as he found himself in that realm. If that logic falls through, try this one. Falconsbane probably just magically re-coloured himself. We know that he was a frequent user of node magic, so he should have been bleached, but he wasn't.Therefore, I assume that he recoloured himself on a regular basis. As a third and final possibility, someone suggested that his spirit was all that was actually in the void and that he jumped into a body that was never there. That seemes to make sense to me. The first time he jumped into Andesha's body, Andesha had never been in the void. That would mean that Andesha's body, and now Falconsbane's, wouldn't be bleached. Any of those reasons make sense to me, personally. I don't know what Misty had in mind, but it made a need effect either way, to bleach the Black Gryphon to indicate an upcoming personality change. Be well! Rhianna ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:50:49 -0700 From: Lisa Whitman To: "'mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk'" Subject: Fanfic and copywrite issues. Message-ID: In all honesty. I don't care whether it is technically illegal or not. It has been made very clear that Misty and co. don't like having people write off her work without her express permission in any public forum. Period. This is a request of an author whom we generally respect and/or who's hard work we respect. I don't see where this should be a problem for anyone. Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:40:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Kenneth Allen Hyde To: Misty Lackey List Subject: Copyrights Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Aug 2000 L. J. Thompson wrote: <> Okay, here's how it works. The US copyright laws (USC) consider a work to be "published" when it has been recorded in a permanent form (by which they mean on paper or on disk or something like that--in other words, not just in your head). That means that all of your student papers are technically "published" works according to the copyright laws and that they are all protected by those laws. BTW, yes, if an author tried to sue you for copyright infringment, because you had written a scholarly critical article in which you quoted some of their work, you would be well within protection of the "Fair Use" defense. "Fair use" means that you can quote small portions of a copyrighted work for the purpose of critical analysis (plus a few other uses that aren't germaine to the question). Also, Abby Normal wrote: <> Unfortunately, this is wrong. Technically, if you write something down on paper or save it on a disk so that you can distribute it to your friends, you have violated the original author's copyright. Specifically, you have created a derivative work and published it. <> Mailing lists are a sort of grey area, but the general consensus is that the safe interpretation is that they are a "publishing" media. "Publish" means "to make public," btw. <> Technically, yes. But like I said above, you would be protected by the "fair use" clauses of the copyright laws. So, technically, an author could sue you, but you'd probably get off. NB: I am not a professional lawyer. I am simply someone who has read the laws in question and studied the issues relevant to this one tiny issue (copyright). May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd Councilor of Mist Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me //www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/prof/ken.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:40:22 EDT From: XShadowXBladeIX-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: god/goddess Message-ID: In a message dated 7/26/00 10:58:04 PM Central Daylight Time, shadskitty-+AT+-home.com writes: << Amanda clarifies: >I wasn't asking what relegion all of Valdemar worships cause I understand >they have a freedom of relegion there is no one true way policy. I was just >wondering which god/goddess Baron Valdemar got the companions from. It >doesn't seem that that god/goddess could be the Star Eyed cause she talked to >Tarma about creating a companion type aveater but black which is brought up >again in Storm Breaking when Karal meets Tarma. But I understand that >Valdemar has a wide variety of relegions. In Winds of Fate, Prologue: (third paragraph) "So he went into the fields and gardens beside the Palace, alone, and wrought what was half a prayer and half a spell, begging all benign Powers for their aid in this desire of his" Or, put another way, any of 'em he could think of. =) That help? >> Arrow's Fall prologue page ten 3rd paragraphthe first companion had been sent by unknow power or powers at the pleading of king Valdemor. The first couple Companions were Grove-Born. Isn't it generally agreed that Grove-Born Companions are different from ones that are birthed in a more normal fashion? I don't think they're all reincarnated Heralds. A good number, mayhaps, but not all. For example, Van never was reincarnated. He's a special case, but I imagine the other Heralds got the choice of whether to come back as Companions or not, too. Yes the frist three companions where groven bron or sint down by whatever god sent them. And the companions that are groven bron or diffent from the other companions as they chose ether the King/Queen or the Queen/kings own and there hairs, and allready have there lifes out before them I think not sure on that last part. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 18:49:01 -0400 From: "Rhianna Lynn" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Fanfic and copywrite issues. Message-ID: <200008112249.SAA20516-+AT+-core.greenapple.com> Sorry for posting twice in a day, guys! This came after my first post and I figured I don't post often enough that anyone would get terribly mad at me.. Lisa Whitman said: > In all honesty. I don't care whether it is technically illegal or > not. It has been made very clear that Misty and co. don't like having > people write off her work without her express permission in any public > forum. Period. This is a request of an author whom we generally > respect and/or who's hard work we respect. I don't see where this > should be a problem for anyone. In the case of Misty and her works, I agree with you. If it's illegal or not is somewhat irrelevant in my eyes. She said it's unacceptable and that's plenty good enough for me. But what about other authors? Anne McCaffery? I wrote a poem for class based on her Pern books when I was in 6th grade before I knew any of this legality nonsense. Marion Zimmer Bradley? Anyone else whose works we read and love, but who hasn't said anything about it specifically? I think it's a generally good topic to be more knowledgeable on. I for one am curious and listening to this debate carefully. No knowledge is ever wasted, even if it's never used. This isn't intended as a flame, just a somewhat opposing viewpoint that makes conversation fun. (: I do agree with the point you've made, Lisa, and I think it's a good one to bring up. Respect for Misty and her desires should be more important than the legality of the issue anyway. Warm fuzzy sheep to all! Rhianna ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:05:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "Li'nia Stormdancer" To: List Subject: I'm Baaa-aaaack! Message-ID: <20000811230512.14651.qmail-+AT+-web1201.mail.yahoo.com> Heyla ListSibs! *Li'nia stops typing on her laptop, and waves at everyone in the Halls of Mist. She decides that's it for now, and, closing her computer, steps into the Arena of Discussion and Dissention... where she promptly trades her 'puter for a mop and pail... after all, isn't she the Caretaker?* I'm so glad to be back on the List! I know it's been awhile, and I'm sorry I've missed all the discussions that have been going on in here. Just wanted to let you know!! lol ===== ---<---<---<----+AT+- Li'nia Stormdancer -+AT+---->--->--->--- Peon to the Powers That Be, (Hopeful)Goddess of All Things Possessed, & Caretaker of the Arena of Discussion and Dissention __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 19:35:51 EDT From: CmdrDTroi-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: a voice in the darkness ;-) Message-ID: <26.94cf199.26c5e7d7-+AT+-aol.com> In a message dated 8/10/00 1:58:06 PM Central Daylight Time, ladykatarina-+AT+-yahoo.com writes: << I am JUST NOW starting on the Robin and the Kestrel..I love it...*smiles*...and in response to the BlackGryphon question....It wasnt the void that turned Him white...it was the magic...perhaps I am wrong, it has been a while..but didnt the magic bleach his feathers, just like the white hair of anyone who works with node magic? >> I am as hesitant as you, Katarina, in saying definitively on this, but I'm fairly certain you're right. I'd have to go back and check to be sure, but to answer off the top of my head, I'd have to agree with you with reasonable, if not absolute, certainty. TAZ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 19:56:37 EDT From: CmdrDTroi-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Fanfic and copywrite issues. Message-ID: In a message dated 8/11/00 5:40:04 PM Central Daylight Time, lwhitman-+AT+-nwcomputing.com writes: << In all honesty. I don't care whether it is technically illegal or not. It has been made very clear that Misty and co. don't like having people write off her work without her express permission in any public forum. Period. This is a request of an author whom we generally respect and/or who's hard work we respect. I don't see where this should be a problem for anyone. Lisa >> Speaking as a published author myself, I agree. On the other hand, as a list member - albeit a new one - I feel that all of these rebukes could, and really should, have been made in private. Someone made a mistake - albeit a BIG one - it happens, we're all human. However it was, as far as I could tell, their first infraction. I think a "Closed door reaming" would have been more appropriate than dragging the rest of the list into it in this circumstance. Of course, if they persisted.....well....may the chips fall where they may. Just my own personal thoughts, for what they may be worth TAZ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:15:01 EDT From: CmdrDTroi-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Copyrights Message-ID: <7b.8265949.26c5f105-+AT+-aol.com> In a message dated 8/11/00 6:30:55 PM Central Daylight Time, kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu writes: << <> Mailing lists are a sort of grey area, but the general consensus is that the safe interpretation is that they are a "publishing" media. "Publish" means "to make public," btw. >> Out of curiosity, and I'll be the first to admit that legalities often escape me, but wasn't there a law passed a few years ago concerning Copyrights and the internet, or was that one shot down? I know that Renassiance Pictures made a point to let the Xena/Hercules fan-fic writers know that while it was technically illegal, and the studio would be withing THEIR right to sue, so long as the proper ownershi[ disclaimers were made, and no money was made from it....well, they'd look the other way - in fact, they recently hired one of those writers to write a script, then extended her contract to two episodes.....But I'm babbling again, my point is, is it now a law that posting anything that remotely infringes on copyright re:fan-fic is a criminal offense? I am honestly interested, because I really can't remember myself. TAZ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 02:34:42 +0100 From: "Dan Halford" To: Subject: Re: Fanfic and copywrite issues. Message-ID: <004001c003fd$80cc0f40$9b00a8c0-+AT+-dan> > In all honesty. I don't care whether it is technically illegal or not. It > has been made very clear that Misty and co. don't like having people write > off her work without her express permission in any public forum. Period. > This is a request of an author whom we generally respect and/or who's hard > work we respect. I don't see where this should be a problem for anyone. Misty's wishes should be taken into consideration, but I personally find it hard to understand why an author would wish to stop others using thier work as inspiration. If I was a published author, I would be honoured that other people were so taken with my work that they had felt a need to express their feelings / thoughts using characters or scenarios of my work. Having said that, there is something to be said for keeping the integrity of ones creation intact, especially in light of that poem. Also, 99% of you seem to have conveniently forgotten that the world does not revolve around Washington DC. This list is British, remember. US copyright laws do not apply to all and sundry, and are not the be all and end all of what is and what isn't allowed. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:54:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "Li'nia Stormdancer" To: List Subject: Fanfic and Such... Message-ID: <20000812015420.9660.qmail-+AT+-web1203.mail.yahoo.com> Heyla List-Sibs! ***Warning! This is completely IMHO!*** On the subject of Misty's prohibition on publishing anything that infringes on her copyrights... I totally agree with Misty on this one. She has gone through so much trouble to bring us the worlds we love to read about. She's had many problems in the past with overzealous fans before. She's just protecting her work (and in some cases, her and Larry's health, since their problems at the conventions). I know most people don't understand why she doesn't let others use her worlds, characters, etc. in various forms (i.e. fanfic, MUSH, RPG). In reality, I don't either, since I've never been a student of law and copyright issues. But, I am very willing to follow the rules in this case. If anyone disagrees, I have a suggestion. If people want to share their stories with someone else, why not create brand-new ones in your own worlds? Misty is an inspiration to me, and I write stories all the time. However, I use her works as a guide, but not as a basis for my stories. Her style is what I admire most. And, though I am a fan of her works, I would never copy it. It just doesn't seem right to me... But then again, that's just my two-cents... Death-by-chocolate sheep to all!! ===== ---<---<---<----+AT+- Li'nia Stormdancer -+AT+---->--->--->--- Peon to the Powers That Be, (Hopeful)Goddess of All Things Possessed, & Caretaker of the Arena of Discussion and Dissention __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 19:31:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "David H. Tiffany" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Fanfic and copywrite issues. Message-ID: On Sat, 12 Aug 2000 CmdrDTroi-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > I feel that all of these rebukes could, and > really should, have been made in private. Someone made a mistake - albeit a > BIG one - it happens, we're all human. However it was, as far as I could > tell, their first infraction. I think a "Closed door reaming" would have been > more appropriate than dragging the rest of the list into it in this > circumstance. This is something we go through every 2 to 3 months. Usually it doesn't go as far as somebody actually putting something up, but the discussion reoccurs frequently. It is clearly stated policy of the list owner that this stuff is not allowed and by publicly disowning and rebuking those who cross the line, however innocently, we give support to her position and, I hope make it clear to any of Misty's Killer Lawyers who may be checking on us (and they do from time to time) that this is *not* a regular occurrence here and that we abhor the practice. And it provides a fair warning to any other newcomers who haven't bothered to read the newbiefest or other warnings. fluffy, odor-free sheep to all, Davdi H Tiffany, God ort styop ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 19:36:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "David H. Tiffany" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Fanfic and copywrite issues. Message-ID: On Sat, 12 Aug 2000, Dan Halford wrote: > > Misty's wishes should be taken into consideration, but I personally find it > hard to understand why an author would wish to stop others using thier work > as inspiration. Perhaps because she wishes to maintain ownership of the characters involved? A copyright, like a patent, is merely a license to sue those who infringe. If not exercised, it can and will be lost. [snip] > Also, 99% of you seem to have conveniently forgotten that the world does not > revolve around Washington DC. This list is British, remember. US copyright > laws do not apply to all and sundry, and are not the be all and end all of > what is and what isn't allowed. Copyright laws are respected on an international basis (at least in theory) and UK laws are, if I understand correctly, actually *more* restrictive that those in the US of A. Daft Diffany, Tog fo ypots ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 03:48:58 +0100 From: "Dan Halford" To: Subject: Re: Fanfic and copywrite issues. Message-ID: <005f01c00407$e03adc90$9b00a8c0-+AT+-dan> ---- Original Message ----- From: "David H. Tiffany" To: Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 3:39 AM Subject: Re: Fanfic and copywrite issues. > Perhaps because she wishes to maintain ownership of the characters > involved? A copyright, like a patent, is merely a license to sue those > who infringe. If not exercised, it can and will be lost. A character in a story is not something you can claim ownership of. The work itself is copyrighted, which means no-one can use it verbatim. However, you cannot claim ownership of thought process and mental image. > Copyright laws are respected on an international basis (at least in > theory) and UK laws are, if I understand correctly, actually *more* > restrictive that those in the US of A. Again, the right of an author to be recognised as the creator of a work is respected by the international community, but the right of an author to control other people's inspiration and prevent use of ides or characters that they have created is not. Copyright laws here are strict-ish, but I very much doubt that Misty could ever take legal action against a private individual for copyright theft for creating a work based upon her ideas, provided the work was indeed original. However, I go back to my original point - her wishes should be respected. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:02:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Tessa Raethen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Flaming Message-ID: <24793144.966063765868.JavaMail.imail-+AT+-scorch.excite.com> Dan Halford writes: >>Not to mention it was drivel.>> I don't really want to get into the fanfic copyright discussion; obviously there are several people who are a lot more knowledgeable about this than I am. But I wanted to point out something about this comment - namely, that think it's a fairly inappropriate one to make. Aside from the fact that it's openly insulting to someone who was taking a risk by posting her own work for our enjoyment (granted, it was illegal, but let's not address that here), I believe this kind of comment can be construed as a flame against a member of the list. Isn't it explicitly stated in the newbie fest that flaming is not to be tolerated? I don't know, I may be wrong - but regardless of the rules, it was still a rude statement. This is not constructive criticism, it is a direct insult. It bothered me, because I like to think that the members of this list are respectful and courteous to one another, even if they disagree about certain issues. Julia _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 05:21:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Katarina Darkchyld To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: CmdrDTroi/Taz, and fanfic Message-ID: <20000812122121.17640.qmail-+AT+-web2301.mail.yahoo.com> > I am as hesitant as you, Katarina, in saying > definitively on this, but I'm > fairly certain you're right. I'd have to go back and > check to be sure, but to > answer off the top of my head, I'd have to agree > with you with reasonable, if > not absolute, certainty. > TAZ Taz, thank you, you are the first person on the list to personally reply to my post. I appreciate it. As for FanFiction.... I just joined this list. When I joined, I recieved an email and had a big list of dos and donts....Dont Post FanFiction is VERY clearly spelled out. Now, I am a poet myself...but I also love Misty, she is my FAVORITE author..and if it is Her wish that stories/poems/songs Not be written in her worlds....shouldnt we respect that? I dont know why we would be IN this email chain if it werent for loving Mercedes Lackey. Katarina ===== Yesterday is History, Tomorrow is the Future, Today is a Gift, and that is why we call it the "Present" Fiat ignem (~*Let there be Fire*~) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 05:29:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Brentie To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: cover colors Message-ID: <20000812122944.17352.qmail-+AT+-web4105.mail.yahoo.com> i have a plee to anyone who can decide teh color of the book colors (so pretty much no one) i have to ask that the colors not be so....... feminin (not spelled right sound it out) i could stand purple light blue was fine but i just finished owlknight and had to hide the book from my older brother to spare myself from the inevetable taunting if he saw such a book i would tell him im not shaych but i dont think he would get it __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 05:40:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Brentie To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: hhhhmmmmm Message-ID: <20000812124034.18020.qmail-+AT+-web4105.mail.yahoo.com> sorry i didnt add this to my other post but i was thinking if you want to post a "fan-fic" dont title the piece with a word thats used in the series thats rule 1 next dont use names from the series rule 2 finally if you do make a "fan-fic" make it your own piece, an original piece thats strangely similar too the valdemar series (hint hint wink wink) rule 3 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2379 **********************************