MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2402 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Vrondi before and after Vanyel by "Robert Martin" 2) RE: Vrondi before and after Vanyel by Lisa Whitman 3) Re: Vrondi before and after Vanyel by Kerowyn73-+AT+-aol.com 4) Re: Vrondi before and after Vanyel by TrinityWch-+AT+-aol.com 5) Magic by "Abigail Laughlin" 6) RE: Vrondi before and after Vanyel by "David H. Tiffany" 7) magic by Abby Normal 8) Quotes by Cariad 9) Any and everything by Sara Peek ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 13:04:26 -0400 From: "Robert Martin" To: Subject: Vrondi before and after Vanyel Message-ID: <000101c01cdb$8312b230$4f01a8c0-+AT+-rmartin1> Here's an interesting question: Vanyel used vrondi (air-elementals) in constructing his early-warning system for detecting when there were mages inside the borders of Valdemar. Vrondi are also the primary item used when casting the Truth Spell. Here's the question or questions: Was the Truth Spell in use before Vanyel put up his barrier? Is the Truth Spell still available after he took down the barrier? My opinion: Vrondi are vrondi no matter what Vanyel did. I vaguely recall something from LHM where the Truth Spell is used or threatened to be used before Vanyel put up his little web. However, I don't recall any indication at the end of Mage Storms where the Truth Spell is still in use. Anyone else got an opinion? Tristaan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:19:57 -0700 From: Lisa Whitman To: "'mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk'" Subject: RE: Vrondi before and after Vanyel Message-ID: >Here's an interesting question: >Vanyel used vrondi (air-elementals) in constructing his early-warning system >for detecting when there were mages inside the borders of Valdemar. Vrondi >are also the primary item used when casting the Truth Spell. >Here's the question or questions: >Was the Truth Spell in use before Vanyel put up his barrier? >Is the Truth Spell still available after he took down the barrier? Yes, the truth spell was in use before and after the barrier. The ambient vrondi were just given "extra duties." They were already there and being used byt the heralds. Btw.. anyone know what the vrondi got out of it or were they coerced to be there? I vaguely recall them feeding on magical energy, but I'm not sure about that. Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 13:25:36 EDT From: Kerowyn73-+AT+-aol.com To: Subject: Re: Vrondi before and after Vanyel Message-ID: <92.9d06b4c.26efc110-+AT+-aol.com> Heyla list sibs... Long time no post *G* Sowwy about that.. Hmm.. I think your answer is a little different than your 2nd question. Yes, the Truth Spell was in use after the barrier was put up. Text Evd (don't have page though) QO, Kris makes Talia put the 2nd stage of the Truth Spell on the girl that was crazy that worked for the stingy couple. Is it in use after the Mage storms? Interesting question. I would say yes... I don't recall any text evd for it (not read the last Owl book yet), but I would say yes or other "little" magics like that the gryphons do wouldn't work either. Something like the barrier wouldn't be possible right after the Storms, but then again... the energy is pooling again so other things would be possible in a while. Just my thoughts... Coke bearing sheep (or cafe mochas!) to all, Zhai'helleva! Sionen In a message dated Tue, 12 Sep 2000 1:20:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Robert Martin" writes: << Here's an interesting question: Here's the question or questions: Is the Truth Spell still available after he took down the barrier? My opinion: Vrondi are vrondi no matter what Vanyel did. I vaguely recall something from LHM where the Truth Spell is used or threatened to be used before Vanyel put up his little web. However, I don't recall any indication at the end of Mage Storms where the Truth Spell is still in use. Anyone else got an opinion? Tristaan >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 13:42:13 EDT From: TrinityWch-+AT+-aol.com To: Subject: Re: Vrondi before and after Vanyel Message-ID: Except for the Owl books I don't think that there have been any other books written in the Valdemar universe. I might be wrong. But if that is the case, there hasn't been any opportunity for this matter to be explored. Please correct me though, I'm at work so I don't remember which series Mage Storms is about. It's been awhile (and I've read a couple hundred books since) but I think that the Truth Spell did exist before the barrier was put in place. But again, I have to say that there have been very few examples of Valdemar since Mage Storms. I have only read the Owl series once. -- Trinity In a message dated Tue, 12 Sep 2000 1:20:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Robert Martin" writes: << Here's an interesting question: Vanyel used vrondi (air-elementals) in constructing his early-warning system for detecting when there were mages inside the borders of Valdemar. Vrondi are also the primary item used when casting the Truth Spell. Here's the question or questions: Was the Truth Spell in use before Vanyel put up his barrier? Is the Truth Spell still available after he took down the barrier? My opinion: Vrondi are vrondi no matter what Vanyel did. I vaguely recall something from LHM where the Truth Spell is used or threatened to be used before Vanyel put up his little web. However, I don't recall any indication at the end of Mage Storms where the Truth Spell is still in use. Anyone else got an opinion? Tristaan >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:58:14 GMT From: "Abigail Laughlin" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Magic Message-ID: <> Well, but Vanyel was born in a completely different time from Elspeth, too. Elspeth and Kethry are closer chronologically than Vanyel and Elspeth. <> Not really. Misty hasn't really addressed the effect heredity has on magic, but the differences being discussed are more a matter of style and method than inherited talents. And after several hundred years, the blood ties between Vanyel and Elspeth would be fairly weak. <> Again, not particularly, since those things are a matter of method and strength and style rather than heredity. Misty hasn't shown that magic is all that different in different countries. What would make a difference is how they were taught and what schools of learning they were around. Vanyel was taught by Savil, who used a fair amount of Tayledras theory, and Moondance and Starwind. Elspeth was taught by Darkwind, a Tayledras, and Treyvan and Hydona, who were from the Kaled'a'in. Kethry, meanwhile, learned at a White Winds school. It would make sense that they wouldn't do things exactly the same way. Zha'hai'allav'a, Raven Darkblade and Mor the raven, Holy Hand of the Goddess of Elves, Member of the Mistic Circle, Webmaster of the Circle of Stone, Knight and Founding Member of the Order of Unsung Heroes; http://www.angelfire.com/ky/Ashke/ - The Labyrinth _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 12:51:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "David H. Tiffany" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: RE: Vrondi before and after Vanyel Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Sep 2000, Lisa Whitman wrote: > Btw.. anyone know what the vrondi got out of it or were they coerced to be > there? I vaguely recall them feeding on magical energy, but I'm not sure > about that. Correct. They drew energy from the "web" that linked the Heralds, as adjusted by Vanyel. An interesting question is how the creation of the heartstone at the center of the Web affected them. David H Tiffany, gop of tydos ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 13:12:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Abby Normal To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: magic Message-ID: <20000912201215.11106.qmail-+AT+-web4702.mail.yahoo.com> Heyla Listsibs, Starsong wrote: > first- Kethry was born in a compleatly different > time to Vanyel and Elspeth. And second- because of > the relationship of Van to Elspeth wouldn't their > talents be similar? > also Kethry is of a different nationality to van & > Elspeth so would'nt that have an effect on wether or > not she could sence nodes and laylines and draw on > them? As I have said before, magic in Velgarth is described as a physical force; therefore its laws would not depend on location or time period, nor on genealogy. The explanation in Storms is comprehensive of all schools and times. Ambermoon Singer of Fire Royal Defender of the Brat __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:19:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Cariad To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Quotes Message-ID: <383614991.968804388371.JavaMail.root-+AT+-web585-ec.mail.com> Heyla all! I just have a quick question. I am looking for the perfect quote to go in my high school senior yearbook. Do any of you know of a great quote from one of Misty's books -- or anywhere else in live, even! You can email me privately, if you want, since I'm not sure if this is a good topic or is off-topic, and I'd hate to get in trouble. :) Or it might make a great list discussion, sharing our favourite quotes from the books. :) Also, on the Fatherhood thing, I think Van was a great "father" to Jisa. (I won't elaborate, incase I spoil the story.) Other good father relationships were the Blue Natoli and her father the Herald (I forget his name!) from Storms, all the gryphon fathers, and Amberdrake (he was overprotective, but caring). I'm not sure I've *added* anything to the discussion, or not. :) raincoat-clad sheep to everyone, Cariad ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address -+AT+-email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:23:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Sara Peek To: Misty list Subject: Any and everything Message-ID: <20000913012332.18139.qmail-+AT+-web4605.mail.yahoo.com> Heyla, listsibs! Poor little ole me has become a lurker due to a bad case of high school. Summer is so fun. Frist adn foremorst (Git od Dypos, beat that!) a big round of hi's and hello's to newbies. Gee am I behind, I don't recognize many names anymore. Someone asked if Misty was ML, I think. Umm.. I personally hate the word Mercedies, I always always spell it wrong. Plus it *is* long. THIS IS NOT A FLAME (I think) People, please please please, I and others have yahoo mail. That means itty-bitty-tiny screen. The most characters these fit are 50. Most people write about 80, causing people like me much trouble that could be saved by the touch of the Enter key. Thanks much! Book Rec.: (Re)read The Hobbit and Rings. My second fave books! A couple of actual Misty things: The Valdemaran crest is a winged horse with a broken chain, a Windrider Unchained. Would that tacitly make the song the Valdemaran national anthem? (Well, sorry, forgot the other, I know there was one) Baskets and Baskets of E-mail shaped sheep (heehee), Sara, Herald-Mage Rini, Chosen by Cinna, My real-life equine Companion __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2402 **********************************