MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2428

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Valdemar's Founding
	by Lish Monahan <emonahan-+AT+-brynmawr.edu>
  2) Reincarnated Heralds
	by Lish Monahan <emonahan-+AT+-brynmawr.edu>
  3) Valdemar's Founding
	by Lish Monahan <emonahan-+AT+-brynmawr.edu>
  4) Re: Valdemar's Founding
	by Elindreada-+AT+-aol.com
  5) Re: Reincarnated Heralds
	by Elindreada-+AT+-aol.com
  6) Re: Valdemar's Founding
	by "kristy hibbitt" <nerika_99-+AT+-hotmail.com>
  7) Re: Valdemar's Founding
	by Kenneth Allen Hyde <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
  8) Re: Reincarnated Heralds
	by Deanne Nye <deenye-+AT+-yahoo.com>
  9) Re: Valdemar's Founding
	by TrinityWch-+AT+-aol.com
 10) Re: Reincarnated Heralds
	by TrinityWch-+AT+-aol.com
 11) Re: Reincarnated Heralds
	by Lish Monahan <emonahan-+AT+-brynmawr.edu>
 12) Re: Reincarnated Heralds
	by Lish Monahan <emonahan-+AT+-brynmawr.edu>
 13) Re: Reincarnated Heralds
	by Lish Monahan <emonahan-+AT+-brynmawr.edu>
 14) Re: Reincarnated Heralds
	by Elindreada-+AT+-aol.com
 15) Re: Reincarnated Heralds
	by "David H. Tiffany" <davidt-+AT+-cet.com>
 16) Re: Reincarnated Heralds
	by troll-+AT+-netcomuk.co.uk
 17) Re: Reincarnated Heralds
	by "Eleonora Scoseria" <ele-+AT+-infodynamics.com.uy>
 18) Re: Reincarnated Heralds
	by Eeyore9051-+AT+-aol.com
 19) Re: Reincarnated Heralds
	by "Nicole Fletcher(Knowen as18065)" <fletchn-+AT+-telusplanet.net>
 20) Re: Reincarnated Heralds
	by Natetoact-+AT+-aol.com
 21) Re: Reincarnated Heralds
	by "kristy hibbitt" <nerika_99-+AT+-hotmail.com>

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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:11:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Lish Monahan <emonahan-+AT+-brynmawr.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Valdemar's Founding
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0010171602590.22322-100000-+AT+-ada.brynmawr.edu>

I honestly don't remember which books this comes from, but my
understanding is that Misty has dropped enough hints for us to be able to
put together what generally happened. 

Valdemar and his people were running north away from the destruction of
the Mage Wars, when they came across the plot of land that is now wherer
Haven stands. Fearing for the future safety of his people Valdemar cast on
freaking HUGE spell/prayer calling on every higher power he knew begging
for help, and help he got. He wanted to assure that all of the future
rulers would be good people and that the poeple would be protected, and so
the Companions were the solution. The first three Chosen were King
Valdemar himself, his son, and his herald (hence from where the title
"Herald" came). And maybe the Seneschal, too. I don't remember too
clearly.

What I find very curious is *which* higher being exactly answered
Valdemar's prayer. Is the god that protects Iftel the Star-eyed's
consort? If so, was it him, or perhaps the Star-eyed herself who did
it? Any thoughts?

Eilis Siobhan Maire Ni Mhuineachain



On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, Barbara Hallock wrote:

> <I heard she wasn't planning to write about the founding of valdemar>
> 
> (or something like that I gotta change my options)
> 
> I thought she DID write about it briefly in The HoV series, somebody telling
> Talia... or was it LHM ?  I haven't read 'em in a while.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:15:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: Lish Monahan <emonahan-+AT+-brynmawr.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Reincarnated Heralds
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0010171611550.22322-100000-+AT+-ada.brynmawr.edu>


Here's a question for you guys that's been bothering the heck out of me...

Heralds when they die are given a choice, and can come back as Companions,
yes? But when Gwena chooses Elspeth, wasn't there some big deal about her
being the first Grove-born Companion in a long while? Does this mean there
were no reincarnated heralds for a long while, or are the poor heralds
actually being born to Companions and being forced to go through
adolescence and puberty all over again in horse-form? Ugh. I hope
not... once was more than enough for me.

Eilis



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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:17:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: Lish Monahan <emonahan-+AT+-brynmawr.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Valdemar's Founding
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0010171616090.22322-100000-+AT+-ada.brynmawr.edu>

Oops! My bad... The brief synopsis of Valdemar's founding can be found in
the prologue of Winds of Fate and the other Winds books... Sorry for the
multiple postings.

Eilis



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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:22:37 EDT
From: Elindreada-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Valdemar's Founding
Message-ID: <2d.2448f94.271e2b2d-+AT+-aol.com>

I knew all of the pieces, I'd really just like the whole story.  Starting in 
the Eastern Empire, the flight where they encountered "hardships" and finally 
the founding of Haven and the begining of the heralds.  I like to know 
details, I'm picky like that.

Me

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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:31:00 EDT
From: Elindreada-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Reincarnated Heralds
Message-ID: <ca.b81c6bd.271e2d24-+AT+-aol.com>

No, the deal is that all Companions are reincarnated heralds EXCEPT for grove 
born companions.  The only grove born companion, in theory, is that of the 
monarchs own herald.  That companion has special powers even beyond that of a 
normal herald, including that they don't age.  The companions thenselves 
decided that Gwena needed to be grove born since they intended that Elspeth 
was going to be the first new herald mage.  She is a  mage conduit and a mage 
in  her own right.

And while I'm on that subject.  Those of you that have read Burning Brightly, 
has anyone else noticed that the monarchs own's companion is named Rolan?  In 
AotQ it says that "Rolan benifited from living in the minds of many talented 
heralds."  Do you think that it's the same companion?  

Elin

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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:32:44 WST
From: "kristy hibbitt" <nerika_99-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Valdemar's Founding
Message-ID: <F161UmsInbltCaNaqOt00006737-+AT+-hotmail.com>

I was just replying to someone who was hoping Misty would write a novel on 
it but she plans not to because it's kind of mysterious and she has 
described it briefly.
nerika


>From: Lish Monahan <emonahan-+AT+-brynmawr.edu>
>Reply-To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
>To: nerika_99-+AT+-hotmail.com
>Subject: Valdemar's Founding
>Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 21:54:16 +0100 (BST)
>
>I honestly don't remember which books this comes from, but my
>understanding is that Misty has dropped enough hints for us to be able to
>put together what generally happened.
>
>Valdemar and his people were running north away from the destruction of
>the Mage Wars, when they came across the plot of land that is now wherer
>Haven stands. Fearing for the future safety of his people Valdemar cast on
>freaking HUGE spell/prayer calling on every higher power he knew begging
>for help, and help he got. He wanted to assure that all of the future
>rulers would be good people and that the poeple would be protected, and so
>the Companions were the solution. The first three Chosen were King
>Valdemar himself, his son, and his herald (hence from where the title
>"Herald" came). And maybe the Seneschal, too. I don't remember too
>clearly.
>
>What I find very curious is *which* higher being exactly answered
>Valdemar's prayer. Is the god that protects Iftel the Star-eyed's
>consort? If so, was it him, or perhaps the Star-eyed herself who did
>it? Any thoughts?
>
>Eilis Siobhan Maire Ni Mhuineachain
>
>
>
>On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, Barbara Hallock wrote:
>
> > <I heard she wasn't planning to write about the founding of valdemar>
> >
> > (or something like that I gotta change my options)
> >
> > I thought she DID write about it briefly in The HoV series, somebody 
>telling
> > Talia... or was it LHM ?  I haven't read 'em in a while.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________________
> > Say Bye to Slow Internet!
> > http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html
> >
>

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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:23:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Kenneth Allen Hyde <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
To: Misty Lackey List <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Valdemar's Founding
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.05.10010180010520.10478-100000-+AT+-copland.udel.edu>

On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, Lish Monahan wrote:

> What I find very curious is *which* higher being exactly answered
> Valdemar's prayer.

Why assume that only one deity answered the prayer?  Perhaps all of them
did?  The implication in the Herald orientation lecture (AotQ) is that the
Heralds themselves don't know which or how many gods were responsible for
the Companions.  It would certainly explain the origins of the "no one
true way" philosophy in Valdemar: if Baron Valdemar has reason to believe
that a large number of gods responded to his prayer, he would have a very
good reason to consider all religions and faiths equally valid. =)

> Is the god that protects Iftel the Star-eyed's consort?

Usually this is phrased as "Is the Star-eyed the consort of the God of
Iftel."  After all, we know that the God of Iftel is Vkandis (SBreaking)
and we know that Vkandis had a consort (SWarning) but that she is not
currently worshipped in Karse.  But, you have an interesting point.  Is
the consort of the Star-eyed the same as Vkandis (regardless of whether
she was Vkandis' consort at some point in the distant past)?  If Vkandis
is not the God of the Shina'in, and if the Star-eyed was the consort of
Vkandis at one point, does that mean that she remarried?  And did she
divorce Vkandis, or is polygamy okay among the gods of Velgarth?

> If so, was it him, or perhaps the Star-eyed herself who did it?

My feeling has always been that the Star-eyed was not involved in the
creation of the Companions.  She seems too intrigued by the idea (as a
novelty) in OBreakers.  Her reaction does not seem like the reaction of
someone who already knows about the concept of Companions.

Anyway, those are my immediate reactions.  YMMV

Cennydd
Councilor of Mist

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Univ. of Delaware      |  between the shoulder blades will seriously
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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:31:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Deanne Nye <deenye-+AT+-yahoo.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Reincarnated Heralds
Message-ID: <20001018053155.29701.qmail-+AT+-web6303.mail.yahoo.com>

The big deal about Gwena choosing Elspeth was that
there is supposed to be only one grove born at a time
- the Companion of the Kings/Queens Own.  Elspeth got
a Grove born Companion because she was to be the first
Herald-Mage since Vanyel. 

Normal Companions are reincarnated souls that have to
go through adolescence and puberty all over again in
horse-form but grove born Companion are not
reincarnated souls and arrive in adult form.

Deanne

--- Lish Monahan <emonahan-+AT+-brynmawr.edu> wrote:
> 
> Here's a question for you guys that's been bothering
> the heck out of me...
> 
> Heralds when they die are given a choice, and can
> come back as Companions,
> yes? But when Gwena chooses Elspeth, wasn't there
> some big deal about her
> being the first Grove-born Companion in a long
> while? Does this mean there
> were no reincarnated heralds for a long while, or
> are the poor heralds
> actually being born to Companions and being forced
> to go through
> adolescence and puberty all over again in
> horse-form? Ugh. I hope
> not... once was more than enough for me.
> 
> Eilis
> 
> 


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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 06:24:59 EDT
From: TrinityWch-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Valdemar's Founding
Message-ID: <65.b1d5f12.271ed47b-+AT+-aol.com>

In a message dated 10/17/00 4:56:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
emonahan-+AT+-brynmawr.edu writes:

<< Valdemar and his people were running north away from the destruction of
 the Mage Wars, when they came across the plot of land that is now wherer
 Haven stands. >>

Actually, Valdemar and the people that followed him were running west away 
from the Eastern Empire.  Something of that vein was mentioned in the 
Storm<?> series when the Eastern Empire was researching why Valdemar was 
resisting them.

-- Trinity (who's going back to lurking now)

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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 06:29:00 EDT
From: TrinityWch-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Reincarnated Heralds
Message-ID: <a8.bed8649.271ed56c-+AT+-aol.com>

In a message dated 10/17/00 4:58:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
emonahan-+AT+-brynmawr.edu writes:

<< Here's a question for you guys that's been bothering the heck out of me...
 
 Heralds when they die are given a choice, and can come back as Companions,
 yes? But when Gwena chooses Elspeth, wasn't there some big deal about her
 being the first Grove-born Companion in a long while? Does this mean there
 were no reincarnated heralds for a long while, or are the poor heralds
 actually being born to Companions and being forced to go through
 adolescence and puberty all over again in horse-form? Ugh. I hope
 not... once was more than enough for me.
 
 Eili >>
 
My opinion alone on this one, but I think the significance of Gwena being 
Grove-Born was because Elspeth is the First Herald Mage that Valdemar had 
seen since Vanyel and because Grove Born Companions tend to have more "power" 
than other Companions, the "powers that be" thought that Elspeth was going to 
need that extra Umph to achieve all she needed to in order to help Valdemar.

-- Trinity (who seems to be making more posts in one day then she has in 
months)

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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:43:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Lish Monahan <emonahan-+AT+-brynmawr.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Reincarnated Heralds
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0010180836160.27006-100000-+AT+-ada.brynmawr.edu>

> And while I'm on that subject.  Those of you that have read Burning Brightly, 
> has anyone else noticed that the monarchs own's companion is named Rolan?  In 
> AotQ it says that "Rolan benifited from living in the minds of many talented 
> heralds."  Do you think that it's the same companion?  

Well, we know for a fact (Its in the Arrow's books somewhere...) that
Rolan was also the Companion of the Monarch's Own that preceded Talia. So
we know Rolan is the one Companion that doesn't go mad with grief and pine
himself away upon the death of his Herald. Also, Talia's predecessor was
supposed to have peen pretty darn old whe he died, if I remember
correctly, making Rolan at least 40 or 50 when he chose Talia, and he
seems just as young and healthy as ever. Perhaps the Grove-born don't age
like other Companions, or maybe its just Rolan? 

But between baring the same name, and knowing that he's already Chosen
twice, I personally feel that its probably the same Companion. He would
provide a great resource for the other Companions (and therefore the
Heralds) because he would be a point of continuity and would be able to
let them know what course of action was taken for certain problems in the
past. The Companions have their secrets, and they don't have the benefit
of having a chronicler writing stuff down for them...

Just some thoughts. :)

Eilis



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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:48:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: Lish Monahan <emonahan-+AT+-brynmawr.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Reincarnated Heralds
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0010180844180.27006-100000-+AT+-ada.brynmawr.edu>

> Normal Companions are reincarnated souls that have to
> go through adolescence and puberty all over again in
> horse-form but grove born Companion are not
> reincarnated souls and arrive in adult form.
> 
> Deanne

So, the reincarnated Heralds have no memory of their previous lives? It
would seem odd to me then that they receive the same (or almost the
same) name as to their previous incarnation, unless somehow the parents
know... I just find it funny picturing Sayvil/Savil going through puberty
twice. She disn't strike me as the type of soul that would really
appreciate it. ;)

Eilis



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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:53:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: Lish Monahan <emonahan-+AT+-brynmawr.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Reincarnated Heralds
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0010180849350.27006-100000-+AT+-ada.brynmawr.edu>

> My opinion alone on this one, but I think the significance of Gwena being 
> Grove-Born was because Elspeth is the First Herald Mage that Valdemar had 
> seen since Vanyel and because Grove Born Companions tend to have more "power" 
> than other Companions, the "powers that be" thought that Elspeth was going to 
> need that extra Umph to achieve all she needed to in order to help Valdemar.
> 
> -- Trinity (who seems to be making more posts in one day then she has in 
> months)
> 
Ooo... really interesting point. If they do actually come out and say that
Gwena is the first Gorve-born since Vanyel's time, and we know that Rolan,
as the Monarch's Own Companion is Grove born, that means that Talia' Rolan
_has_ to be the same as the Rolan in Brightly Burning, and was he was
probably the Companion of the Monarch's Own back with Randale and his
crew, too. Wow! That'd make him at least 700 years old!

Eilis




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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:54:12 EDT
From: Elindreada-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Reincarnated Heralds
Message-ID: <f5.3a49bf7.271ef774-+AT+-aol.com>

In a message dated 10/18/00 6:40:31 AM Central Daylight Time, 
TrinityWch-+AT+-aol.com writes:


> My opinion alone on this one, but I think the significance of Gwena being 
> Grove-Born was because Elspeth is the First Herald Mage that Valdemar had 
> seen since Vanyel and because Grove Born Companions tend to have more 
> "power" 
> than other Companions, the "powers that be" thought that Elspeth was going 
> to 
> need that extra Umph to achieve all she needed to in order to help Valdemar

It isn't your oppinion, it's what Vanyel said when he hijacked the gate that 
Elspeth, Darkwind and the others were using to go back to Haven in one of the 
Mage Winds books.  The companions were interfeering, they decided a little 
extra was needed.

Elin

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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 06:42:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: "David H. Tiffany" <davidt-+AT+-cet.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Reincarnated Heralds
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1001018063122.245A-100000-+AT+-davidt>



On Wed, 18 Oct 2000 Elindreada-+AT+-aol.com wrote:

> No, the deal is that all Companions are reincarnated heralds EXCEPT for grove 
> born companions.  The only grove born companion, in theory, is that of the 
> monarchs own herald.  

Where do you find this rule? How do you know that the Companions haven't
"adjusted" everyone's memory to cover up a grove-birth before as they did
for Gwena? Not to mention that King Valdemar, his son and all the other
"first wave" Heralds must have had grove-born companions, at least until 
the number of dead Heralds not wishing to go to Bermuda was sufficient to
cover the need for new Companions. 

btw, if there aren't any dead Heralds who want to come back at the time
a Companion is to be ensouled, where do they get the spirit to animate 
the body? K-mart?


> And while I'm on that subject.  Those of you that have read Burning Brightly, 
> has anyone else noticed that the monarchs own's companion is named Rolan?  In 
> AotQ it says that "Rolan benifited from living in the minds of many talented 
> heralds."  Do you think that it's the same companion?  


ehh, could be.

David H Tiffany, Gir ift ypos


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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 21:38:54 +0100 (BST)
From: troll-+AT+-netcomuk.co.uk
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Reincarnated Heralds
Message-ID: <20001018214132441-+AT+-netcomuk.co.uk>

On 10/18/00 14:25:41 Eilis wrote:
>
>Ooo... really interesting point. If they do actually come out and say that
>Gwena is the first Gorve-born since Vanyel's time, and we know that Rolan,
>as the Monarch's Own Companion is Grove born, that means that Talia' Rolan
>_has_ to be the same as the Rolan in Brightly Burning, and was he was
>probably the Companion of the Monarch's Own back with Randale and his
>crew, too. Wow! That'd make him at least 700 years old!
>
Actually, he can't be that old - or, at least, wasn't the MOC back then.
The MOC of Vanyel's time, who was partnered with Lancir and then with
Shavri, was called Taver - and Vanyel feared, for a time, that Taver
would Choose *him* after Lancir died.

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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:29:44 -0300
From: "Eleonora Scoseria" <ele-+AT+-infodynamics.com.uy>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Reincarnated Heralds
Message-ID: <006601c0394a$89cf4800$0300a8c0-+AT+-Eleonora>

Lish wrote:


> Ooo... really interesting point. If they do actually come out and say that
> Gwena is the first Gorve-born since Vanyel's time,

Hmm...where does it say that? I am missing something here i think.

>and we know that Rolan,
> as the Monarch's Own Companion is Grove born, that means that Talia' Rolan
> _has_ to be the same as the Rolan in Brightly Burning, and was he was
> probably the Companion of the Monarch's Own back with Randale and his
> crew, too. Wow! That'd make him at least 700 years old!

Nope, the Companion of the MO back in Randale's time was Tavir (Taver?) or
something of the sort. Definitely not Rolan.
Just my .02

Peace,

Ele
Councilor of Mist



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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:45:02 EDT
From: Eeyore9051-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Reincarnated Heralds
Message-ID: <c8.ba33ff0.271f73de-+AT+-aol.com>

That is a possibility since the grove born especially have an extra long 
lifespan.  We know for sure that Rolan had at least one hearld before Talia, 
so it is very likely that he had others.  He was never a human, being a grove 
born and all, so he had to have gained his experience somewhere and the only 
way he could have was through being someones compainion.

And while were on the topic of books we'd all like to read, I'd like to know 
more about Seleny's (sp) father and his life since we know that he know Kero 
and Tarma adn that he visited them on the plains....I'm thinking the three of 
them must of had some INTERESTING times :).

Amanda

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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:21:40 -0600
From: "Nicole Fletcher(Knowen as18065)" <fletchn-+AT+-telusplanet.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Reincarnated Heralds
Message-ID: <39EE4CA4.37D95D00-+AT+-telusplanet.net>

"Heyla!"
"You know me Listsibs, I like to get straight to the point without stating the
original query so here we go!"
"First off, the Companions who were reincarnated Heralds do have to go through
all the stages of growing in their new forms but that doesn't necessarily mean
that they have to re-trace those steps mentally!  We know for a fact (this much
is apparent in the case of Sayvil!) that they retain their personalities!  And
didn't Van say something in Winds of Change about Gwena not having much life
experience?"
"Secondly, I think that Rolan is probably he same Companion... I mean, he doesn't
age and he doesn't die with his Chosen so why wouldn't he be?  An why would two
Companions in such a (sort of) close time period have the same name, the same
status, and the same birth-rights?  It seams a little odd that he could be anyone
else to me!"

Chava-filled sheep or sheep filled Chava to all!

~Nicole "Storm-Rider" Fletcher
Chosen of Companion D'Faindes
Member of the Drifting Ash Club
The Tortured Poet
Yada, Yada, Yada....


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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 00:04:04 EDT
From: Natetoact-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Reincarnated Heralds
Message-ID: <44.8249d4c.271fccb4-+AT+-aol.com>

I have a question... we all know that Heralds lead dangerous lives... Now, 
I'm taking it as a given that Rolan doesn't age... My issue is that, leading 
said dangerous life, in 700 (!) years of life, shouldn't ROLAN have been 
killed at some point? if he has, isn't it feasible that the Monarch's Own's 
Companion could get reincarnated into another Grove-Born body? That makes 
sense to me, what do the rest of y'all think?


                Sic;
                Nathyn
"Music washes from the soul the dust of everyday life."
             - Berthold Auerbach

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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 11:54:23 WST
From: "kristy hibbitt" <nerika_99-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Reincarnated Heralds
Message-ID: <F28qbC8wSA1XvpFVjCR0000744b-+AT+-hotmail.com>

Of course they have the memory of their past lives. It's evident in one of 
the books when someone is talking to one of their Companions, Kerowyn I 
think but I can't really remember, the Companion makes a reference to their 
past life, something about working with mages or knowing mages.
I would assume that Companions are reincarnated with all their previous 
knowledge, else they wouldn't be as much help as they are. They are so 
helpful because of their experience and their knowledge.

I od have a question however that I am perplexed about. If Gwena is 
groveborn, does she appear or is she born from other Companions and where 
does her personality come from
nerika


>From: Lish Monahan <emonahan-+AT+-brynmawr.edu>
>Reply-To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
>To: nerika_99-+AT+-hotmail.com
>Subject: Re: Reincarnated Heralds
>Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:23:27 +0100 (BST)
>
> > Normal Companions are reincarnated souls that have to
> > go through adolescence and puberty all over again in
> > horse-form but grove born Companion are not
> > reincarnated souls and arrive in adult form.
> >
> > Deanne
>
>So, the reincarnated Heralds have no memory of their previous lives? It
>would seem odd to me then that they receive the same (or almost the
>same) name as to their previous incarnation, unless somehow the parents
>know... I just find it funny picturing Sayvil/Savil going through puberty
>twice. She disn't strike me as the type of soul that would really
>appreciate it. ;)
>
>Eilis
>
>

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