MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2440

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Jadus, Lores, and other Shining Beacons of the Light. :b
	by "Abigail Laughlin" <abbykat-+AT+-hotmail.com>
  2) Jadus & Namings...
	by "Li'nia Stormdancer" <lady_stormdancer-+AT+-yahoo.com>
  3) Re: Jadus & Namings...
	by "Rebecca McAllister" <becs71-+AT+-hotmail.com>
  4) Re: Jadus & Namings...
	by Lish Monahan <emonahan-+AT+-brynmawr.edu>
  5) Re: Kerowyn's Ride
	by "Lisa T" <purple_alicorn-+AT+-hotmail.com>
  6) Re: Jadus & Namings...
	by "Layla Voll" <layla_voll-+AT+-hotmail.com>
  7) re: herald/companion bonds
	by "Layla Voll" <layla_voll-+AT+-hotmail.com>

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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:24:28 GMT
From: "Abigail Laughlin" <abbykat-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Jadus, Lores, and other Shining Beacons of the Light. :b
Message-ID: <F73TrfK4VmKP8nf9Ais00002565-+AT+-hotmail.com>

<<On the question of Companions' reactions when their Heralds die, how about 
Jadus and his Companion (I'm sorry, I can't remember the name) as a 
"control" pair? It's been a long time since I've read AotQ and I don't have 
the book with me, but I think it might address this issue.>>

I haven't read AotQ in some time myself, so I'm not sure, but I don't recall 
the actions or reactions of Jadus's Companion being mentioned at all... 
Jadus's death was treated more in terms of its effect on Talia.

<<Actually, that would be Magic's Promise, when Herald Lores beat Tashir's 
Ghost because he believed that Ghost was a demon in Companion form.>>

Right... his own Companion, Jenna, went into a nearly catatonic state at his 
actions, when he refused to believe what *she* told him about Leshya/Ghost's 
true nature.

The fathead.

Zha'hai'allav'a,
Raven Darkblade and Mor the raven,
Holy Hand of the Goddess of Elves,
Member of the Mistic Circle,
Webmaster of the Circle of Stone,
Knight and Founding Member of the Order of Unsung Heroes;
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:23:36 -0800 (PST)
From: "Li'nia Stormdancer" <lady_stormdancer-+AT+-yahoo.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Jadus & Namings...
Message-ID: <20001030232336.17347.qmail-+AT+-web1206.mail.yahoo.com>

Heyla List-Sibs!

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--- Abigail Laughlin <abbykat-+AT+-hotmail.com> wrote:
> <<On the question of Companions' reactions when
> their Heralds die, how about Jadus and his Companion
(I'm sorry, I can't remember the name) as a 
> "control" pair? It's been a long time since I've
> read AotQ and I don't have the book with me, but I
think it might address this issue.>>
> 
> I haven't read AotQ in some time myself, so I'm not
> sure, but I don't recall the actions or reactions of
Jadus's Companion being mentioned at all... 
> Jadus's death was treated more in terms of its
> effect on Talia.
=======================================================

IIRC, and I'm at work without my books so I could be
wrong, they mentioned that Jadus' Companion was "gone"
from the Companion's Field; they couldn't find her/him
anymore.  I'm guessing that he/she went off and
quietly died, or disappeared, or whatever it is that
Companions do when their Herald dies peacefully... We
still don't know that, and I like that mystery!

Ob-Misty:  Well, kinda-sorta... I want to find out if
I'm completely strange or not.  Has anyone else out
there named something they have had after a Misty
character?  I mean, I name my vehicles (makes it more
personal when I'm pissed at it, I guess) and my
current vehicle is named "FX".  Am I really out there?

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     (Hopeful)Goddess of All Things Possessed, &
 Caretaker of the Arena of Discussion and Dissention

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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 00:15:42 GMT
From: "Rebecca McAllister" <becs71-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Jadus & Namings...
Message-ID: <F53idGVwPGxgelXDeqo00004b8e-+AT+-hotmail.com>


Don't worry about naming your car, My old car was Named Gumpy, becuase it 
was really slow and sluggish(and ugly) I didn't name it after anything 
Misty, But my friends and i all came up with personas and called eachother 
by those names, i was "Dirk" i had another friend who called herself "Talia" 
and every morning we would run up to eachother shouting"LIFEBOND" and 
everyone would look at us wierd. And you though you were weird for nameing 
your car. HA!
  I was also reading BTS again and it said something right after Kerowyns 
ride that The song was made after the ride, something along the lines of 
-there is even talk of a song- , But I think that i remeber reading 
somewhere that the song came out before the ride and that was one of the 
things that was so wierd about it.

One wierd Misty Fan to all the rest,
       Becca


>
>Ob-Misty:  Well, kinda-sorta... I want to find out if
>I'm completely strange or not.  Has anyone else out
>there named something they have had after a Misty
>character?  I mean, I name my vehicles (makes it more
>personal when I'm pissed at it, I guess) and my
>current vehicle is named "FX".  Am I really out there?
>
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>      (Hopeful)Goddess of All Things Possessed, &
>  Caretaker of the Arena of Discussion and Dissention
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:28:45 -0500 (EST)
From: Lish Monahan <emonahan-+AT+-brynmawr.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Jadus & Namings...
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0010302024340.29633-100000-+AT+-ada.brynmawr.edu>

> Ob-Misty:  Well, kinda-sorta... I want to find out if
> I'm completely strange or not.  Has anyone else out
> there named something they have had after a Misty
> character?  I mean, I name my vehicles (makes it more
> personal when I'm pissed at it, I guess) and my
> current vehicle is named "FX".  Am I really out there?
> 
When I was younger I had a large white short-haired cat, with weird
blue-green eyes. So she went by alternately Yfandes or Spot. As in "Out,
out, damn spot" due to her habit of lieing on my large collection of black
clothes (I was the first goth in my town. But I got better). I'm afraid
Spot stuck better that Yfandes, as I also came from a family of ST:TNG
fans, and as everyone knows Data's cat was named Spot. :P

So I was a dork as a kid. ;)

Eilis



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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 13:40:06 EST
From: "Lisa T" <purple_alicorn-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Kerowyn's Ride
Message-ID: <LAW2-F9pfkNsjUHQHh200003d8a-+AT+-hotmail.com>


Becca said
>I was also reading BTS again and it said something right after Kerowyns
>ride that The song was made after the ride, something along the lines of
>-there is even talk of a song- , But I think that i remeber reading
>somewhere that the song came out before the ride and that was one of the
>things that was so wierd about it.

===========
Your definition on if the song came out before Kero, depends on if u are in 
'real' time or 'misty' time. The song "Kerowyn's Ride" is one of the songs 
in the back of Arrows Fall, with the note "This is a fairly common song in 
Valdemar, although it orginated several lands to the south" So I guess what 
happen, like the song 'Threes' (which is also in Arrows Fall) is that Misty 
wrote the song then the book. So in real life it came out first, thought it 
would have come out later in 'misty' time.

Also in this confusion is the thought by Elspeth in Winds of Fate

"..for even *after* the arrival of the real Kerowyn, Master Bards were still 
writing Essays that claimed it was an allegorical peice wherein the 
Goddess-as-Crone passed her power to the Goddess-as-Maiden at Spring 
Solstice. She found several other papers stating that it described an actual 
event that had taken place hundreds of years ago, as evidenced by this or 
that style."

This could mean that the people of Valdermar could belive, and therefore 
act, as if the song was much older than it really was. The timeline ins 
plausable for this to happen, as Kero was quite young when the Ride 
happened, and it took some time for here to get to Valdemar *s*

Wind to thy wings
Lisa T
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 14:55:30 GMT
From: "Layla Voll" <layla_voll-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Jadus & Namings...
Message-ID: <F104a4RCIlWrdFOSPUP00005dbe-+AT+-hotmail.com>

"Li'nia Stormdancer" <lady_stormdancer-+AT+-yahoo.com> wrote:

>=======================================================
>--- Abigail Laughlin <abbykat-+AT+-hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > On the question of Companions' reactions when
> > > their Heralds die, how about Jadus and his Companion
> > > (I'm sorry, I can't remember the name) as a
> > > "control" pair? It's been a long time since I've
> > > read AotQ and I don't have the book with me, but I
> > > think it might address this issue.
>=======================================================
>
>IIRC, and I'm at work without my books so I could be
>wrong, they mentioned that Jadus' Companion was "gone"
>from the Companion's Field; they couldn't find her/him
>anymore.  I'm guessing that he/she went off and
>quietly died, or disappeared, or whatever it is that
>Companions do when their Herald dies peacefully... We
>still don't know that, and I like that mystery!

AotQ, p. 262. "Jadus' passing had been quite peaceful, he [a Healer] told 
her; Jadus had no inkling of it, simply hadn't awakened.  His Companion was 
also gone -- probably simultaneously."

It's also made clear earlier that Jadus' Companion is old ("spending her 
days watching the young foals," I think), so she wouldn't be in a position 
to Choose again.

So they seem to just disappear, and no one seems to know where, which I 
like.

It also answers another question I had about how one would go about burying 
such a large creature.  I was thinking about this last weekend when I 
visited Gettysburg, site of a major battle of the American Civil War.  The 
guide said that the night after the battle was horrific: over 20,000 dead 
soldiers, which both sides had made a feeble attempt to bury, and about 500 
dead horses, which were impossible to bury, so they just burned them where 
they lay.

Layla

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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 16:16:46 GMT
From: "Layla Voll" <layla_voll-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: re: herald/companion bonds
Message-ID: <F138cTJftxozeIhvxW900005eb7-+AT+-hotmail.com>

"Lisa T" <purple_alicorn-+AT+-hotmail.com> writes:

>There's been alot of disscisussion om this. In MY opionion these bonds do 
>not continue from life to life - I think in 1 book, a companion said 
>something like they feel an itch to go and find a Herald - and that there 
>are "false alarms" - who may or may not be Heralds to be.

I also think that in most cases there isn't a single perfect match, as there 
would be if there was a bond that continued from paring to pairing.  I 
remember Elspeth commenting in Winds of Fate that the Companions were 
fighting over who would get to Choose the twins when they got old enough to 
be Chosen.  If the bond continued from life to life, there wouldn't be any 
discussion about it.

Layla

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