MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2450

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Hello - is anyone here??
	by Melanie Dymond Harper <mel-+AT+-servalan.demon.co.uk>
  2) Re: Hello  -  is anyone here??
	by Sarah Ardern <Moonstalker59-+AT+-excite.com>
  3) Re: Hello  -  is anyone here??
	by "Li'nia Stormdancer" <lady_stormdancer-+AT+-yahoo.com>
  4) Re: Hello  -  is anyone here??
	by troll-+AT+-netcomuk.co.uk
  5) Re: Hello  -  is anyone here??
	by Kenneth Allen Hyde <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
  6) Re: Hello - is anyone here??
	by "Victoria H." <wukolia-+AT+-hotmail.com>
  7) Re: Hello  -  is anyone here??
	by "mark the tax zombie" <markttz-+AT+-eoni.com>
  8) RE: Hello  -  is anyone here??
	by "Howell, Tommy" <thowell-+AT+-tdmn.com>
  9) Re: Hello  -  is anyone here??
	by Julia Gray <jgray-+AT+-oakton.edu>
 10) Re: Hello - is anyone here??
	by "Rebecca McAllister" <becs71-+AT+-hotmail.com>

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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 19:45:23 +0000
From: Melanie Dymond Harper <mel-+AT+-servalan.demon.co.uk>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Hello - is anyone here??
Message-ID: <NBIDsEATNvD6EwZd-+AT+-servalan.demon.co.uk>

In message <000d01c04b93$b4aebc80$26c6e4d8-+AT+-eonet.com>, mark the tax
zombie <markttz-+AT+-eoni.com> writes
>When I left this list it was a heck of a lot more active.  Now I'm starting
>to wonder if I didn't walk into an abandoned hall.   No sheep, no friendship
>ring, no nothing.
>
>I was wondering if the books after Owlflight were any better.  Frankly I
>wasn't able to bring myself to finish the thing.  I couldn't stand the
>"hero".

Listproc decided to take a header on Friday (and I've been out of town
this weekend). It's back up now.

Mel-+AT+-home
-- 
Melanie Dymond Harper

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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 12:39:51 -0800 (PST)
From: Sarah Ardern <Moonstalker59-+AT+-excite.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Hello  -  is anyone here??
Message-ID: <24967032.974061591800.JavaMail.imail-+AT+-magic.excite.com>

Heyla all...  and welcome back to Mark (the tax zombie) (should I sploosh
you?  have you been away long enough to deserve the Enchanted Bucket #2TM?)
the list has slowed down recently... is it finals time over in the states? 
i seem to remember that it was around this time...  it's mock GCSE time over
here in sunny ole England (ironic j/k to all the ppl living here... hope the
floods haven't hit y'all too bad... i seem to have missed the most of it
although my school was shut last week...) and i should have my head stuck in
a book or in my room learning french verbs... je suis, tu es, il est, elle
est...  but i'm not.  so there.#

>  Now I'm starting to wonder if I didn't walk into an abandoned hall. 

nah... just everyone's doing a whole lot of lurking and no-one wants to come
out.  or maybe everyone's asleep... that wouldn't surprise me.

>  no friendship ring,

that's a good point... who's got the ring at the moment?  it got lost a few
weeks back.  admit it... who put a stack of revision papers on top of it??

>  I was wondering if the books after Owlflight were any better.

i quite liked Brightly Burning but i didn't think that it was up to the
standard of the older ones... which is the next one due out?  didn't i hear
a rumo(u)r that it was an *adult* one about life at the collegeum?  that'd
be a good read i hope.  i can't say i like the young adult ones as much as i
do the others... but then which ones actually class as adult?  or young
adult?  owls were YA weren't they?  but then i'm 15... no, that's wrong i'm
16 now (as of 11/11) so what do i know :)  <grin>

and my main OBMisty

if the companions are continually in season (as we are told in arrows and
others), why don't we hear about more foals... foalings must occur quite
often or "foal watch" wouldn't be a duty for the greys... and why aren't
more chosen new Heralds chosen?  is it just that they are only chosen if
they have a specific gift that the country needs (I think there is textevd
in a LHM book [or some other] that there were X new trainees just in and X
Heralds going out on patrol) do they just hang around the companion's field
until they *need* to go and find someone or what?  And how old d'ya think
the companions are when they *choose* their Herald?  MOC would be different
but when Jadus died i think it said that his companion was about the same
age as him  or am i just rambling?  it could get quite boring for them just
sittin/standing there.  or do the foals get lessons from the older ones...
now there's an interesting thought... which companions would teach which
lessons?  i'm gonna stop now coz i think i must have confused a lot of
people... i've certainly confused me!

Sheep shaped towels or towel shaped sheep to all ppl caught in floods at the
moment
Zhai'helleva
Moonstalker :)
She'enedra to Brynn
Temporary carrier of the Enchanted Bucket #2 TM
"Friends, however distant, are always present." - Cicero





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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 13:57:10 -0800 (PST)
From: "Li'nia Stormdancer" <lady_stormdancer-+AT+-yahoo.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Hello  -  is anyone here??
Message-ID: <20001112215711.433.qmail-+AT+-web1201.mail.yahoo.com>

Heyla List-Sibs!

*Li'nia walks into the Hall and sighs, then continues
on into the Arena... still noone there!  She finds a
good resting place and sits down.  Styx promptly jumps
into her lap and starts to purr...*

Yeah, you're right, Mark!  This place HAS been dead
lately!  But, you know, the List always has these
"dead" periods...
=======================================================
--- mark the tax zombie <markttz-+AT+-eoni.com> wrote:
<snip> I was wondering if the books after Owlflight
were any better.  Frankly I wasn't able to bring
myself to finish the thing.  I couldn't stand the
"hero".

I agree with you on "Owlflight"; he grated on my
nerves.  But, I did rather like "Owlsight" and
"Owlknight"... even though there seemed to be entirely
too many "convenient coincidences" in those stories. 
Certainly not on a par with her other Velgarth novels,
but still a good read.

Death-by-chocolate sheep to all!



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          Goddess of All Things Possessed, &
 Caretaker of the Arena of Discussion and Dissention

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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 00:18:30 GMT
From: troll-+AT+-netcomuk.co.uk
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Hello  -  is anyone here??
Message-ID: <2000111302054241-+AT+-netcomuk.co.uk>

On 11/12/00 22:22:52 Sarah wrote:
>
>that's a good point... who's got the ring at the moment?  it got lost a few
>weeks back.  admit it... who put a stack of revision papers on top of it??

Don't know about the ring, but the Enchanted Bucket #2 might be in use as
a baling bucket? :)
>
>i quite liked Brightly Burning but i didn't think that it was up to the
>standard of the older ones... which is the next one due out? 
>
I liked BB better than the Owl trilogy too...though I thought they were
readable, they weren't as good as previous works. Anyone know anything
definite about the next Velgarth book? Something actually set inside
Iftel would be nice...probably never happen though, if Misty wants to
keep Iftel more "mysterious" :(

>Sheep shaped towels or towel shaped sheep to all ppl caught in floods at the
>moment

Plenty of flooding here in Kent...but thankfully we're far enough north in
Kent to have missed it so far ;) Where in UK are you, Sarah?

Swimming sheep to all,
Muranog Shadowbane
Troll Battle Adept of Earth and Fire
Knight of Fluff, Member of the Circle of Stone and the Mistic Circle
and his bondmate Sable, the giant black war sheep

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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 19:25:46 -0500 (EST)
From: Kenneth Allen Hyde <kenny-+AT+-UDel.Edu>
To: Misty Lackey List <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Hello  -  is anyone here??
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.05.10011121918490.21727-100000-+AT+-copland.udel.edu>

On Sun, 12 Nov 2000, Sarah Ardern wrote:

> if the companions are continually in season (as we are told in arrows and
> others), why don't we hear about more foals...

I don't think that Misty meant that female Companions are in heat
constantly, but rather that they engage in sex, even when they aren't
likely to conceive.  Just like humans, in other words.  And presumably,
they are intelligent enough to exercise some control over their
reproductive purposes (who knows, maybe there's a secret patch of
contraceptive herbs somewhere in the Companions' Field).

And as far as when and why they choose: they are 12 years old and they do
it because the little pixies that live in the Grove tell them to.
*giggle*  Seriously, I don't think that there is any hint as to the age of
the average Companion at time of Choosing or the reasons why a Companion
chooses.  Hey, perhaps that explains why there aren't lots of little
Companions.  We know that they are ensouled with the reincarnated souls of
various Heralds.  Maybe their population is limited to the number of souls
the Powers That Be choose to send down to the world.  And perhaps, when
the souls *are* sent, they are also tagged with a knowledge of who and
when they will Choose?  It's as plausible as anything else.

May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit,

Cennydd
Councilor of Mist

Kenneth Allen Hyde     |  No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife
Univ. of Delaware      |  between the shoulder blades will seriously
Dept. of Linguistics   |  cramp his style  -- Old Jhereg proverb
kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu         |  A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me

//www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/prof/



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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 18:54:45 -0800
From: "Victoria H." <wukolia-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Hello - is anyone here??
Message-ID: <OE24XLuSbh29cM3oryK000000fd-+AT+-hotmail.com>


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   Heyla everyone!  I'm one of those (not so) enchanted individuals who n=
ormally reside in the black hole of lurker-ness (which, incidently, is pr=
obably where the friendship ring is also...)  *steps out of lurker-ing*  =
Ack!  The light is so blinding!  My eyes!  Anyways, on to more relevant m=
atters -

>>i quite liked Brightly Burning but i didn't think that it was up to the
>>standard of the older ones... which is the next one due out?
>
>I liked BB better than the Owl trilogy too...though I thought they were
>readable, they weren't as good as previous works. Anyone know anything
>definite about the next Velgarth book? Something actually set inside
>Iftel would be nice...probably never happen though, if Misty wants to
>keep Iftel more "mysterious" :(

   I agree here... I liked Brightly Burning more also.  The Owl series (o=
r Darien's Tale, or whatever) wasn't horrible (as some people I've talked=
 to seem it is) - after all, I did read all three, and they did keep me e=
ntertained.  They just weren't up to par with what we all know Misty is c=
apable of (just look at the Owl series compared with Vows and Honor of LH=
M).  Brightly Burning was alright, but the same goes for it as well.  Per=
sonally, I think BB could have been much improved by being written as a t=
rilogy.  =20

   Hopefully Misty's next book will go a little deeper than these latest =
ventures - a story about Iftel would be nice, but I agree that Misty will=
 keep that enigmatic cloak around Iftel until something very very big occ=
urs... if then.

   By the way, has Owlknight already come out in paperback?

  Well, until inspiration strikes again (or my professors stop assigning =
paper after paper...)

     ~ Vicky

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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 22:22:06 -0800
From: "mark the tax zombie" <markttz-+AT+-eoni.com>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Hello  -  is anyone here??
Message-ID: <004c01c04d3a$3c0b7680$b1c6e4d8-+AT+-eonet.com>

Please no splooshing,  I've got a sore throat as it is.   Don't know what's
going on here in the states school wise, it's been about 27 years since I
last darkened anyone's "hallowed halls".    I don't know if it will help (or
hurt) but I use to post using my regular moniker of Mark Severson, I just
decided a while back to use the nick name I gave myself in my email finally,
hence mark the tax zombie.   Seeing as tax season is fast approaching it is
becoming truer by the day.

Rain wise, very little here.  I'm in a "desert" region, 10 inches in a year
is a wet year.   During the fall/winter we hardly even get any snow to speak
of, just cold.


Concerning you OBMisty

  I think your correct in that the mares do keep track of when it's safe or
not but I recall in the Queen's Own series (IIRC) where Rolan was extremely
fertile and a certain former thief's Companion forgot that when she decided
to have some fun.   She ended up with an unexpected foal so
Companions can goof in that matter.

   On the number of Heralds question.  If I recall properly from my reading
the number of Heralds depends on the needs of the country.   The companions
I believe have some kind of foresight so when they know Valdemar will be in
danger more foals are born.  Also when ever this happens it is a warning the
people that trouble lies in the near future.
I think this was from the Queens Own series too.   I have to reread my books
again.

Well I think I'll stop now and go find some OJ.   take care all.

mttz


----- Original Message -----
From: "Sarah Ardern" <Moonstalker59-+AT+-excite.com>
To: <markttz-+AT+-eoni.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: Hello - is anyone here??


> Heyla all...  and welcome back to Mark (the tax zombie) (should I sploosh
> you?  have you been away long enough to deserve the Enchanted Bucket
#2TM?) the list has slowed down recently... is it finals time over in the
states?  i seem to remember that it was around this time...  it's mock GCSE
time over here in sunny ole England (ironic j/k to all the ppl living
here... hope the floods haven't hit y'all too bad... i seem to have missed
the most of it although my school was shut last week...) and i should have
my head stuck in a book or in my room learning french verbs... je suis, tu
es, il est, elle est...  but i'm not.  so there.#
>
> >  Now I'm starting to wonder if I didn't walk into an abandoned hall.
 nah... just everyone's doing a whole lot of lurking and no-one wants to
come out.  or maybe everyone's asleep... that wouldn't surprise me.
no friendship ring,
>
> that's a good point... who's got the ring at the moment?  it got lost a
few
> weeks back.  admit it... who put a stack of revision papers on top of it??
>
> >  I was wondering if the books after Owlflight were any better.
> i quite liked Brightly Burning but i didn't think that it was up to the
> standard of the older ones... which is the next one due out?  didn't i
hear
> a rumo(u)r that it was an *adult* one about life at the collegeum?  that'd
> be a good read i hope.  i can't say i like the young adult ones as much as
i do the others... but then which ones actually class as adult?  or young
> adult?  owls were YA weren't they?  but then i'm 15... no, that's wrong
i'm
> 16 now (as of 11/11) so what do i know :)  <grin>
>
> and my main OBMisty
>
> if the companions are continually in season (as we are told in arrows and
> others), why don't we hear about more foals... foalings must occur quite
> often or "foal watch" wouldn't be a duty for the greys... and why aren't
> more chosen new Heralds chosen?  is it just that they are only chosen if
> they have a specific gift that the country needs (I think there is textevd
> in a LHM book [or some other] that there were X new trainees just in and X
Heralds going out on patrol) do they just hang around the companion's field
until they *need* to go and find someone or what?  And how old d'ya think
the companions are when they *choose* their Herald?  MOC would be different
but when Jadus died i think it said that his companion was about the same
age as him  or am i just rambling?  it could get quite boring for them just
sittin/standing there.  or do the foals get lessons from the older ones...
now there's an interesting thought... which companions would teach which
lessons?  i'm gonna stop now coz i think i must have confused a lot of
people... i've certainly confused me!
>
> Sheep shaped towels or towel shaped sheep to all ppl caught in floods at
the moment

> Zhai'helleva
> Moonstalker :)
> She'enedra to Brynn
> Temporary carrier of the Enchanted Bucket #2 TM
> "Friends, however distant, are always present." - Cicero
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 08:21:41 -0600
From: "Howell, Tommy" <thowell-+AT+-tdmn.com>
To: "'mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk'" <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Hello  -  is anyone here??
Message-ID: <5BA8DB8D54C4D3119956009027DE50C60E9F92-+AT+-tdmnmail.tdmn.belo.com>

Heyla,

I'm new here, and I'm about done with OwlSight. I think I've read the rest
of the Valdemar books, completely out of sequence.

>I was wondering if the books after Owlflight were any better.  Frankly I
> wasn't able to bring myself to finish the thing.  I couldn't stand the
> "hero".

In the first book, they spent too much time making Errold's Grove believe
Darian was a lazy bum, so it seemed very out of character for him to
suddenly be so useful to the Hawkbrothers. The "change" in perception seemed
very hard for me to swallow, but the second book seems more natural,
especially Keisha's story so far. Also, I think you really had to accept
that Justyn was told to expect ingratitude so that's what he got and that
colored Darian's attitude about the whole thing.

Tommy in Dallas

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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 09:09:59 -0600
From: Julia Gray <jgray-+AT+-oakton.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Hello  -  is anyone here??
Message-ID: <3A100447.9754D247-+AT+-oakton.edu>

>   no friendship ring,
>
> that's a good point... who's got the ring at the moment?  it got lost a few
> weeks back.  admit it... who put a stack of revision papers on top of it??
>

Well, I was the last one to hand it off, and as I recall it was to Rianna (sp?)
with the reminder that it should be passed on within one week (which should have
been around september 15th!!)

If the ring-bearer is still around it needs to be passed on ... if she doesn't
......well, I guess I can pass it on to someone else (although with my track
record....)

obmisty:

Cennyd wrote:
And as far as when and why they choose: they are 12 years old and they do
it because the little pixies that live in the Grove tell them to.
*giggle*  Seriously, I don't think that there is any hint as to the age of
the average Companion at time of Choosing or the reasons why a Companion
chooses.

I like the ideas of pixies (as much as the contraceptive grass)  but ... isn't
there some indication (and i know i don't have the textevd) that the companion
will feel an "urge" to go seeking his/her herald?  Anyone else remember this (or
not? :-)

betha'lis



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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 16:11:56 GMT
From: "Rebecca McAllister" <becs71-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Hello - is anyone here??
Message-ID: <F3IfQdmEB4HGXAwxXSX00000b99-+AT+-hotmail.com>

Hey everyone,

>I like the ideas of pixies (as much as the contraceptive grass)  but ... 
>isn't
>there some indication (and i know i don't have the textevd) that the 
>companion
>will feel an "urge" to go seeking his/her herald?  Anyone else remember 
>this (or
>not? :-)
>
I believe that was mentioned in Brightly Burning, I don't have my book right 
now( I lent it to Lightsong incidentally) so I can't find the quote for you. 
That is the last place I remeber reading about that though. Maybe someone 
who has their book could give the specific passage. Well Off to do stuff, 
becca


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