MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2488

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: Music Query
	by Lish Monahan <emonahan-+AT+-brynmawr.edu>
  2) Re: Music Query
	by Hank Tiffany <davidt-+AT+-cet.com>
  3) Re: Music Query
	by "Lorna Appleby" <lappleby-+AT+-backtalk.org>
  4) Re: Grove born
	by Timedancer0624-+AT+-gateway.net
  5) Re: 
	by Nicole <fletchn-+AT+-telusplanet.net>
  6) Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 2487
	by "Abigail Laughlin" <abbykat-+AT+-hotmail.com>
  7) Hello
	by Erin Klein <eklein86-+AT+-yahoo.com>
  8) Re: Hello
	by Natetoact-+AT+-aol.com
  9) Re: Hello
	by Ilaria1431-+AT+-aol.com
 10) Re: Grove born
	by Yvonne <dprono-+AT+-planet.eon.net>
 11) Songs & MindSpeech...
	by "Li'nia Stormdancer" <lady_stormdancer-+AT+-yahoo.com>
 12) Wheels of Fire and other SERRAted Ege books
	by =?iso-8859-1?q?Sheridan=20Hoy?= <sheridan_hoy-+AT+-yahoo.co.nz>

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Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 14:57:09 -0500 (EST)
From: Lish Monahan <emonahan-+AT+-brynmawr.edu>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Music Query
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0101051453190.6132-100000-+AT+-ada.brynmawr.edu>

Heyla list-peeps,
	I'm delurking for a brief comment before I disappear again to the
wilds of computerless-ness on my roadtrip across the states. Whee!

> Sheebeg, Sheemore, composed by Turlough O'Carolan, an Irish Bard who lived
> at the turn of the 18th century.

"Si beag, a si mor", please. I was born in a Gealtacht in Western Ireland
and I hate to see my native tongue butchered so.

> It was composed as an instrumental piece, and as far as I've been able to
> find, no one has ever written lyrics for it. 

Ouch. Not quite right. A very good Irish folk group from either the
states or Canada called the Irish Rovers perform a wonderful rendition of
it with a great set of lyrics.

Two-cents,
Eilis Siobhan




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Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:17:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Hank Tiffany <davidt-+AT+-cet.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Music Query
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010105131409.186A-100000-+AT+-davidt>



On Fri, 5 Jan 2001, Lish Monahan wrote:

> A very good Irish folk group from either the
> states or Canada called the Irish Rovers 

Originally from Ireland, emigrated to Canada, now live in the 
Vancouver BC area.

Except for one of the original members who I believe has 
retired to Ireland. The accordion player, Wilcil <too lazy to
go dig up the last name>

Hank, gut typer


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Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:24:43 -0800
From: "Lorna Appleby" <lappleby-+AT+-backtalk.org>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Music Query
Message-ID: <083501c0775d$eb7c4e30$f240a8c0-+AT+-backtalk.org>

>"Si beag, a si mor", please. I was born in a Gealtacht in Western Ireland
>and I hate to see my native tongue butchered so.

Every district and county has a different way of spelling Gaelic, M'lady..
Aso, keep in mind the history of written Gaelic is done by a mixture of
non-Celts / Picts and pissed off Celts / Picts who didn't see why they had
to have a written language. (Have to admire a paperless society! ^_^ ) ..
What that means is basically, a lot of the spelling practices don't make a
whole lot of sense, people are forever "correcting" them to give some
consistancy and so on and so forth. It's all similar to the problems of
Chinese being anglosized.. every generation of linguistical scholars,
there's a new way to do it.

Yes, there's a fairly good standard now. Yes, most people spell things the
same way, but in the 18th century? No. So, all those various versions of Si
Beag, a Si Mor are quite probably accurate as many different musicians would
have called it many different things.

>Ouch. Not quite right. A very good Irish folk group from either the
>states or Canada called the Irish Rovers perform a wonderful rendition of
>it with a great set of lyrics.

uhm.. ^_^;; The Irish Rovers are *Irish* .. They resettled in Vancouver,
Canada and started opening their chain of bars called "The Unicorn" across
the world, but they are *very* Irish. (And for those of you who would like
to know -- Great bars.. Highland bands playing some nights, Irish Rovers on
occassion.. Wonderful food and alcohol. Too bad the Irish Rovers split up
and sold off all the bars. :(   .. )

-Lorna



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Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 17:37:42 EST
From: Timedancer0624-+AT+-gateway.net
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Grove born
Message-ID: <e5.952b6c.2787a6b6-+AT+-gateway.net>

In a message dated 1/5/01 4:26:40 AM Central Standard Time, 
dprono-+AT+-planet.eon.net writes:

<< Maybe
 Grove-born aren't just around for 'special' Heralds ... maybe they also
 spring up to prevent the genetic line from producing problems ... or to
 keep them from becoming so similar, they won't all be wiped out by a
 plague.
 
  >>

Okay maybe I read something that wasn't there.  I thought the "normal" 
companions were reincarnated heralds and the grove born were  "spirits" made 
flesh?  At least that's what I picked up from reading the later books.  Thus 
gene pools would be moot.


Doreen Glynn
Live long and may the force be with you

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Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 16:40:58 -0700
From: Nicole <fletchn-+AT+-telusplanet.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: 
Message-ID: <3A565B8A.415A5C73-+AT+-telusplanet.net>



Yvonne wrote:

> I stopped reading the 'Xanth' books within 6 months of discovering them.
> They were fun the first, second, and even third books. Then they got
> tedious and, you're all right, sex obsessed. I don't mind sex in my
> books but it was getting grating, over the top, unimaginative, and quite
> frankly, disturbing.

I agree completely.  Piers needs a good hard smack.  My friends and I
recently discovered his books i our school library and I was appaled by the
fact that they are jst siting out on the shelf, waiting for some small child
to come along, think the cover was funny, and decide to sit down and see if
they liked it...  Believe me, that's how I got hooked on Misty back in grade
5.  His puns are funny to a point but they get old... quick.  That's one
thing I can't stand, a stratigicly placed pun is good but to base your books
on puns and panties well... it lacks appeal.

On the topic of Misty:  Does anyone know if she's planning to do another
anthology?  I bought Flights of Fantasy after borrowing my friend's copy and
Swords of Ice was realy good too.  Short-story is so good for when you're in
U.S.S.R.-class, you actualy get something out of it besides much-needed rest
then!

Ah well, I babble.
Candy-coated sheep to all!

~Storm-Rider
Chosen of Companion D'Faindes
Ashke to IceFire
Lover of all that is Mini-Dragons
Tortured poet
And holder of the million pointless titles

(I'll let you see this pic as long a you don't feed me to Vkandais's(sp?)
Fires for it)
http://members.nbci.com/Sharmenia/'Faindes.html


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Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 03:17:36 -0000
From: "Abigail Laughlin" <abbykat-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 2487
Message-ID: <F74lgCt8XGHp9uzDXL000000cf6-+AT+-hotmail.com>

<<As for Sharon Green ... I've only read the Blending series, and they are 
recommended, but they're fluff-reading. The characters seem to have an 
obsession with tea that rivals Xanth's panty fetish though ... lol ... I've 
*never* seen characters take so many tea breaks! Or eat so much ...>>

My thoughts on The Blending:

Grararararar!

*pant, pant*

Okay, sorry. Actually, the first book (Convergence) was quite decent, and 
the second book wasn't bad. But by the third book, all the bloody 
Relationship Trauma, especially between Tamrissa and Vallant, was driving me 
bats! Sure, she had a rough life. That doesn't give her the right to be such 
a sniveling, vacillating little wimp.

I made it through all five books only because I wanted to see how it would 
end. Not very satisfyingly, as it turns out.

<<I can't say that Arabs strike me as Companion material. They're
beautiful to look at, but I've always imagined Companions as being large 
horses, and Arabs tend to be high-strung and somewhat silly, in my 
experience.>>

Heh. I imagine we could have a nice long discussion about this, but I'll 
stomp on my more belligerent and self-superior impulses and say that, in my 
experience, the high-strung horses tend to be the more intelligent and 
interesting. Witness Classy, who was in the habit of crawling under the 
nylon webbing that served as her stall door and wandering around the barn as 
she pleased, until we had my grandfather make a real wooden door set low 
enough that she couldn't fit under it.

And Jody Lee's Companions look just like Arabians, dished face and all. ;)

Zha'hai'allav'a,
Raven Darkblade and Mor the raven,
Holy Hand of the Goddess of Elves,
Member of the Mistic Circle,
Webmaster of the Circle of Stone,
Knight and Founding Member of the Order of Unsung Heroes;
http://www.angelfire.com/ky/Ashke/ - The Labyrinth

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Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 20:11:31 -0800 (PST)
From: Erin Klein <eklein86-+AT+-yahoo.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Hello
Message-ID: <20010106041131.59432.qmail-+AT+-web10412.mail.yahoo.com>

**Gosh it's cold here. Ouch, I slipped on the water
that was thrown, and now I have a bruise on my butt.**
Well, I might as well be a newbie. I only add my
stupid comments if I really want to.  But I live in
Wisconsin and we got a record breaking 38 inches of
snow in December.  The snow was so heavy that one of
the buildings on our farm collapsed! What a pain. Well
to get onto Misty, I have a question that I have been
debating for a long time.  If Vanyel's
companion(Y'Faindes) could talk to Stefen when Vanyel
was in trouble, why can't Rolan speak to Talia? Both
Stefen and Talia have no mind-speech. But Talia has
Empathy which is sort of a mind gift. All Stefen had
was the Bardic Gift. Well, any input on this is cool.
Now I think I will curl up with my boyfriend and keep
warm.
Zhai'helleva.
Erin
Chosen by Kali
Worker of many real-life magics

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Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 00:15:07 EST
From: Natetoact-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Hello
Message-ID: <83.52daf13.278803db-+AT+-aol.com>

After Sayvil, I was under the assumption that all companions are strong 
enough mind-speakers that they can project to unGifted, but most of them 
won't, unless in very dire emergencies. Rolan DID "talk" to Dirk, remember? 
Maybe Rolan just likes to "play by the rules" more than most Companions, eh?
Forgive me if I am wrong. :O)
Love to all list-sibs!
Nathyn
Song-singer, performer extrodinaire!

"Ever notice that 'What the hell' is always the right decision?" - Marilyn 
Monroe

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Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 00:31:42 EST
From: Ilaria1431-+AT+-aol.com
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Hello
Message-ID: <71.9a6141f.278807be-+AT+-aol.com>


<< If Vanyel's
 companion(Y'Faindes) could talk to Stefen when Vanyel
 was in trouble, why can't Rolan speak to Talia? Both
 Stefen and Talia have no mind-speech. But Talia has
 Empathy which is sort of a mind gift. All Stefen had
 was the Bardic Gift.  >>


Well, later on 'Fandes tells Stefan that "Companions can Mindspeak anyone 
they choose."   But, yes, I've also wondered about that myself.  Also, Dirk's 
Gift is Fetching, but he and Ahrodie can Mindspeak, and Skif's Gift isn't 
Mindspeech, but he and Cymry can Mindspeak.  Talia's Gift is closer to 
Mindspeech than any of theirs, but she and Rolan can't Speak to each other.  
Personally, I just think that maybe Misty didn't thoroughly think it through 
before she wrote it all.  There ARE discrepancies in her works that don't 
seem to be able to be "explained" away, but HEY!  for such a body of work as 
she's produced, that's to be expected, especially at the beginning, when I 
don't think she (or anyone) could have foreseen how tremendously popular her 
work would be, and thus anticipated the need to think through every possible 
detail for future novels.

Herald Jacquelle


"Why is that when you talk to God, you're praying, but when God talks to you, 
you're nuts?"  Monica, Touched by an Angel

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Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 23:30:08 -0700
From: Yvonne <dprono-+AT+-planet.eon.net>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: Grove born
Message-ID: <3A56BB70.A21D1C34-+AT+-planet.eon.net>

Doreen wrote:

> Okay maybe I read something that wasn't there.  I thought the "normal"
> companions were reincarnated heralds and the grove born were  "spirits" made
> flesh?  At least that's what I picked up from reading the later books.  Thus
> gene pools would be moot.

No no, you read right. :)

What I got from the books was that it was the spirit that was the reincarnated
Herald and the body was very much from the earth -- otherwise, why would there
be all those pregnant Companions running around? And as no Companion, being a
former human, would mate with a true horse, there's only a limited number of
possible mates. Thus, the small gene pool. Companions don't get pregnant from
the air -- in Arrows Flight (?) Talia has to leave when Cymry and Rolan go at
it, and Skif gets warned about the Monarch's Own's high fertility rate, and the
genes have to come from ~somewhere~....

The Grove-Born, being spirits made flesh the way you said, would most likely
have a different set of genes from the rest of the Companions, as they are
'parentless' ... basically, they have Companion genes but they're not inherited
from any of the Companions already there. This might account for the high
fertility rate too ... they're spreading dem genes around! ;P

Raven Darkblade commented on high-strung horses and also wrote:
> And Jody Lee's Companions look just like Arabians, dished face and all.
> ;)

Unfortunatly! :P LOL ... sorry, I love their large eyes and the way they move,
but the dishy faces just do not appeal!

As for high-strung horses ... yes, they can be more interesting, but I see
Companions as intelligent without being neurotic. *sighs* They're the ideal ...
we could dither all day about horses and *never* find the perfect breed, because
there isn't one!


Yvonne
Coucillor of Mist
Etc.





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Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 23:50:51 -0800 (PST)
From: "Li'nia Stormdancer" <lady_stormdancer-+AT+-yahoo.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Songs & MindSpeech...
Message-ID: <20010106075051.12555.qmail-+AT+-web1204.mail.yahoo.com>

Heyla List-Sibs!

--- Erin Klein <eklein86-+AT+-yahoo.com> wrote:
I have a question that I have been debating for a long
time.  If Vanyel's companion(Y'Faindes) could talk to
Stefen when Vanyel was in trouble, why can't Rolan
speak to Talia? Both Stefen and Talia have no
mind-speech. But Talia has Empathy which is sort of a
mind gift. All Stefen had was the Bardic Gift. 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Okies, on this one, I'd have to say that maybe Stefen
was maybe a "tad" more receptive than Talia was. 
Rolan did mindspeak with Dirk at one point, and I'm
sure he had in the past with others.  IIRC, Talia has
no MindSpeech capabilities (if I'm wrong, PLEASE
correct me, and let me know where it's at!), or if she
does, she's never demonstrated them.  The only time
Rolan MindSpoke her was during the Choosing.  I think
that that overrode the normal restrictions due to the
fact that it was such a momentous event, and maybe
spoken on the soul-level.  Stefen may have just been a
bit receptive to receiving MindSpeech, but didn't have
enough of a Gift to train.

Also, on the subject of "Sidhe beg, Sidhe mor"... I
don't think there may be a correct spelling anymore,
do you?  Once it's been translated at all, it tends to
open itself up to changes to the spellings or words. 
The main question had been "What was the title noted
in Misty's books?".  The answers given were the ones
that had been found in Misty's books... So we're going
with the spelling that SHE gave them... Wrong or not,
that's really not for us to decide...

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             Peon to the Powers That Be, 
          Goddess of All Things Possessed, &
 Caretaker of the Arena of Discussion and Dissention

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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 03:23:44 +1300 (NZDT)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Sheridan=20Hoy?= <sheridan_hoy-+AT+-yahoo.co.nz>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Wheels of Fire and other SERRAted Ege books
Message-ID: <20010106142344.69329.qmail-+AT+-web11002.mail.yahoo.com>

Heyla listsibs,

tamlin wipes all the cobwebs which have accumulated on
her, gets to her feet and clears her throat.

Excuse me for interrupting. I have been reading Wheels
of Fire and I was wondering if Joe and Jamie turn up
in any further books?. I think both characters have
lots of potential, and both have gifts. If they
weren't trained, wouldn't they be a target for the
UnSeleighe?. Also, does anyone have a complete list of
the SERRAted Edge books, or knows of a URL where I
might find one?. I want to read them all :).

tamlin

PS The Odyssey Con in New Zealand has a special guest
-Mercedes Lackey :). I have just arrived in the UK on
my big OE so won't be going, but my best friend is.
How long has it been since ML went to a con?.

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