MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2535 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Praying for Success In Battle by "Robert Martin" 2) RE: Praying for Success In Battle by Kenneth Allen Hyde 3) RE: Praying for Success In Battle by "Robert Martin" 4) Re: Mage Wars by "Li'nia Stormdancer" 5) Re: Mage Wars by Kenneth Allen Hyde 6) Cameo appearances by "Peter Allen" 7) Re: Mage Wars by "Doreen Glynn" 8) Re: Mage Wars by "Lisa T" 9) mage wars by Abby Normal 10) Cameos by "tntgray" 11) Re: Mage Wars by "Li'nia Stormdancer" 12) Re: Mage Wars by J80Kath-+AT+-aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 08:50:00 -0500 From: "Robert Martin" To: Subject: RE: Praying for Success In Battle Message-ID: <000201c0a7d6$ac379e60$7201a8c0-+AT+-rmartin1> > My understanding is that it would violate the essential Valdemaran > creed--that there is no one true way. By praying for success > in battle, they > accept, or at least imply, that Valdemar is in the Right and > the other side > is in the Wrong, and request divine help in imposing their way upon > others... Hmmm....and then you have the whole mystery about the Star-Eyed, Vkandis, the Twins, and all the other dieties...and whether or not they are truly seperate dieties or different faces of the same two Gods. I would suspect that, if the latter were true, a benign diety would not want his/her subjects to fight each other even if they aren't aware that they follow the same religious path. Just a thought... Tristaan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 10:33:06 -0500 (EST) From: Kenneth Allen Hyde To: Misty Lackey List Subject: RE: Praying for Success In Battle Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Robert Martin wrote: > I would suspect that, if the latter were true, a benign diety would > not want his/her subjects to fight each other even if they aren't > aware that they follow the same religious path. Of course, if this is a motivation for the "no praying for victory" policy, the policy is less altruistic and noble than it appears at first glance. It becomes more like a little kid who is doing something they know their parents will disapprove of, and who decides to avoid calling attention to the act, rather than not doing it. =) "Don't pray for success in battle, because if you do, the God and Goddess might notice that we are beating up their other children and get mad." *giggle* May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd Councilor of Mist Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me //www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/prof/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:14:22 -0500 From: "Robert Martin" To: Subject: RE: Praying for Success In Battle Message-ID: <000701c0a7ea$d73f2740$7201a8c0-+AT+-rmartin1> > Of course, if this is a motivation for the "no praying for victory" > policy, the policy is less altruistic and noble than it > appears at first > glance. It becomes more like a little kid who is doing something they > know their parents will disapprove of, and who decides to > avoid calling > attention to the act, rather than not doing it. =) "Don't pray for > success in battle, because if you do, the God and Goddess might notice > that we are beating up their other children and get mad." *giggle* That's true. But we also have to keep in mind that the Companions are Guardian Spirits, probably sent from some diety or other in the first place (the Twins, IIRC). They would also want to keep Valdemar from making some sort of supernatural faux pas. Tristaan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:45:46 -0800 (PST) From: "Li'nia Stormdancer" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Mage Wars Message-ID: <20010308224546.22562.qmail-+AT+-web1202.mail.yahoo.com> Heyla List-Sibs! --- Molly McAllister wrote: > I have a little question. Okay, so we know that > Tannim shows up in Jinx High, right. My question >is, how many cross-series cameos has Misty done. > This is the only one I can think of right now. Can > anyone else think of any others? Well here's a few off the top of my head... 1)"Wheels of Fire" leads directly into "Chrome Circle"(not really a cross-series, since both books were part of SERRAted Edge, but the main characters were all different...) 2)Tannim mentions Di Tregarde by name in "Chrome Circle" pg.3. He mentions her in "Born to Run", but not by name, pg. 57. 3)In the "Knight" books, Eric or Kory (can't remember which!) mentions that there were some elves back East who'd taken up car racing as their industry... Hence, Tannim and his friends. 4)Don't know if this is technically a cross over, but BTS managed to connect a few series. In this book the Oath books were connected with the Valedemar books (from the Elspeth series on...) Prior to that, though, Valdemar had a cameo in "OathBreaker"... And I don't know if that was when Misty decided to have the two series mesh into one or not. Well, that's all I can remember right now! lol I happened to have the Tannim books with me, so I could quote those, but the others are from memory. I'm sure there's others, though... ===== ---<---<---<----+AT+- Li'nia Stormdancer -+AT+---->--->--->--- Peon to the Powers That Be, Goddess of All Things Possessed, & Caretaker of the Arena of Discussion and Dissention __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 20:56:04 -0500 (EST) From: Kenneth Allen Hyde To: Misty Lackey List Subject: Re: Mage Wars Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Li'nia Stormdancer wrote: > 3)In the "Knight" books, Eric or Kory (can't remember which!) mentions > that there were some elves back East who'd taken up car racing as > their industry... Hence, Tannim and his friends. Didn't someone mention that Misty makes a cameo in one of the Eric books? Or am I totally misremembering things? It's not a cross-over (well, it's a cross-over from the real world), but it seems to be the same sort "cameo appearance" phenomenon. Cennydd Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me //www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/prof/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 22:08:03 -0500 From: "Peter Allen" To: Subject: Cameo appearances Message-ID: <00d601c0a846$cf642dc0$8a0da318-+AT+-triad.rr.com> The Green Mage wrote: > Didn't someone mention that Misty makes a cameo in one of the Eric books? > Or am I totally misremembering things? It's not a cross-over (well, it's > a cross-over from the real world), but it seems to be the same sort "cameo > appearance" phenomenon. While I can't recall the exact title that it was, there was a point where Eric had been busing on a corner, and three strangers came up to either chat or listen to him. Misty went into a bit more detail with them than per normal for one-page characters, so this is probably what you are thinking of. Bright be thy day, Wintershard Councilor of Mist Demon of Crappy Weather, trapped in the snowless south ;) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 21:23:0 -0600 From: "Doreen Glynn" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Mage Wars Message-ID: <41200135932259940-+AT+-earthlink.net> I think the cameo you mention is in the first book, Knight of Ghosts and Shadows. If you have Bedlam's Bard it's on page 51. Eric is street busking Celtic music and a blond (?) woman named Misty stops with two men. They are from Tulsa and Celtic music fans. > [Original Message] > From: Kenneth Allen Hyde > To: > Date: 3/8/01 8:17:01 PM > Subject: Re: Mage Wars > > On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Li'nia Stormdancer wrote: > > > 3)In the "Knight" books, Eric or Kory (can't remember which!) mentions > > that there were some elves back East who'd taken up car racing as > > their industry... Hence, Tannim and his friends. > > Didn't someone mention that Misty makes a cameo in one of the Eric books? > Or am I totally misremembering things? It's not a cross-over (well, it's > a cross-over from the real world), but it seems to be the same sort "cameo > appearance" phenomenon. > > Cennydd > > Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife > Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously > Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb > kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me > > //www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/prof/ > --- Doreen Glynn --- timedancer0624-+AT+-earthlink.net Live ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 13:26:01 +1000 From: "Lisa T" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Mage Wars Message-ID: Cennydd wrote: >Didn't someone mention that Misty makes a cameo in one of the Eric >books? >Or am I totally misremembering things? It's not a cross-over (well, >it's >a cross-over from the real world), but it seems to be the same sort >"cameo >appearance" phenomenon. It was in Kinght of Ghosts and Shadows - some people from "Okie" came to listen to Eric - and one of them was a lady called "Misty" :) Also, in Chrome Circle Tannim mentions something about Elves in LA/San Fran being in trouble and humans helping them out (it's when he's musing about the events with Joe no texted here!) And I assume that this is Eric and Co. Wind to thy Wings Lisa _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 19:40:43 -0800 (PST) From: Abby Normal To: MLML Subject: mage wars Message-ID: <20010309034043.26628.qmail-+AT+-web4702.mail.yahoo.com> Bright the day, Tristaan: I've no objection to the in medias res opening; I quite it. I didn't think she should have started the story at another point, I just think the way it was done was not effective. It was too abrupt, and while reading the second chapter with Amberdrake I unfortunately found myself wondering why I cared, something that does not happen often with Misty's books. I'm not really sure how it should have been done, just that this did not quite work. Point conceded about the Haighlei with regards to the Tayledras; I just found the Haighlei exceedingly foreign, unlike how I perceived the Tayledras and Shin'a'in (and Kaled'a'in, for that matter). I suppose it's just me, though, because logically it doesn't seem to bear out. Good luck to all those dealing with snow in Kent and other places, and to those dealing with our 17 inches here in Mass. And many thanks to whoever offered midterm sheep! Ambermoon Singer of Fire Royal Defender of the Brat __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 21:56:29 -0600 From: "tntgray" To: Subject: Cameos Message-ID: <000b01c0a84c$f0aca100$c0553e3f-+AT+-pavilion> > Cennydd > Didn't someone mention that Misty makes a cameo in one of the Eric books? > Or am I totally misremembering things? It's not a cross-over (well, it's > a cross-over from the real world), but it seems to be the same sort "cameo > appearance" phenomenon. > Yes, in Knight of Ghost and Shadows, Misty, Larry and I assume Mark Shepard make their cameo. Eric is busking in LA and three people show up to listen to his celtic tunes. pg: 52 "Hey, Misty, listen! He's playing the 'Foxhunter's Jig'!" Eric looked up in surprise at the three suits gawking at him. He finished the tune with extra energy, ading a last trilling ornament and long, intricate run, then bowed elegantly as they applauded. The blonde woman was shaking her head in disbelief. "A Celtic musician playing on the street! They'll never believe this back home!" "Where are you from?" Eric asked, wiping sweat from his brow. One of the men smiled. "Tulsa, Oklahoma. We're all Celtic Music fans, but had no idea that peole played Celtic stuff on the streets of L.A. This is quite a surprise." Dax the Eternal, Goddess of Elves and Unicorns, Councilor of Mist, Knight of Fluff Evangelist of Low Humor, Mistic Watcher of Continuity NewbieFest: http://www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/pers/misty/newbiefest.html HomePage: http://www.grayhaven.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 20:25:36 -0800 (PST) From: "Li'nia Stormdancer" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Mage Wars Message-ID: <20010309042536.8861.qmail-+AT+-web1203.mail.yahoo.com> --- Lisa T wrote: > Also, in Chrome Circle Tannim mentions something > about Elves in LA/San Fran > being in trouble and humans helping them out (it's > when he's musing about > the events with Joe no texted here!) And I assume > that this is Eric and Co. Just as an add-on, in case someone was interested in the texted for this one, it's in "Chrome Circle" and starts on pg.6. It's where Tannim starts explaining why he's back in Oklahoma, and mentions Alinor Peredon, the main char in "Wheels of Fire". ===== ---<---<---<----+AT+- Li'nia Stormdancer -+AT+---->--->--->--- Peon to the Powers That Be, Goddess of All Things Possessed, & Caretaker of the Arena of Discussion and Dissention __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 02:07:14 EST From: J80Kath-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Mage Wars Message-ID: <14.10b874d8.27d9db22-+AT+-aol.com> --part1_14.10b874d8.27d9db22_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/8/01 12:08:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, mollymca-+AT+-hotmail.com writes: > , > As far as the Mage Wars Books, I loved the Black Gryphon, liked the > White Gryphon, and had to shove my way through The Silver Gryphon. It took > me two weeks to read that book, I just kept on avoiding it. I must say > that > I think that it would have been much better if it were a short story. I > was > also a little annoyed at the way that it had practically nothing to do with > the first two books. I must say that it definitely had the feel of a "Must > fill in the third book for a trilogy" book. I was very disappointed with > it. > > I totally have to disagree with everyone's dismissal of the third griffin book. Yes, it drifted a bit from the standard story line that Misty used in the other two, but it was still good. I had to keep reading to figure out what had caused blade and Tad to crash. Then when Skan and Drake, old farts as they were, got dragged out to save their kids it was great. As I recall, pretty darn funny. I believe Misty was just trying to move a long the time line and start a new generation, e.g., tad and blade, but that, that generation can learn something from the previous one. I will admit though, that it was somewhat anticlimactic, but how much more of a climax can you expect after the destruction from the first book. You can't go much higher. Okay just my two cents Sheep to all, pick your favorite flavor. Jennie Rambler extrodinaire Okay just my two cents. --part1_14.10b874d8.27d9db22_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/8/01 12:08:12 AM Pacific Standard Time,
mollymca-+AT+-hotmail.com writes:


,
   As far as the Mage Wars Books, I loved the Black Gryphon, liked the
White Gryphon, and had to shove my way through The Silver Gryphon.  It took
me two weeks to read that book, I just kept on avoiding it.  I must say
that
I think that it would have been much better if it were a short story.  I
was
also a little annoyed at the way that it had practically nothing to do with
the first two books.  I must say that it definitely had the feel of a "Must
fill in the third book for a trilogy" book.  I was very disappointed with
it.



I totally have to disagree with everyone's dismissal of the third griffin
book.  Yes, it drifted a bit from the standard story line that Misty used in
the other two, but it was still good.  I had to keep reading to figure out
what had caused blade and Tad to crash.  Then when Skan and Drake, old farts
as they were, got dragged out to save their kids it was great.  As I recall,
pretty darn funny.  I believe Misty was just trying to move a long the time
line and start a new generation, e.g., tad and blade, but that, that
generation can learn something from the previous one.

I will admit though, that it was somewhat anticlimactic, but how much more of
a climax can you expect after the destruction from the first book.  You can't
go much higher.


Okay just my two cents

Sheep to all, pick your favorite flavor.

Jennie
Rambler extrodinaire

Okay just my two cents. --part1_14.10b874d8.27d9db22_boundary-- ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2535 **********************************