MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2546 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Serpent's Shadow by Cariad 2) Re: companions eye view by "Li'nia Stormdancer" 3) Re: companions eye view by Natetoact-+AT+-aol.com 4) Re: so much room to play with re:other books by "~*~ Ciara ~*~" 5) Re:companions eye view by "~*~ Ciara ~*~" 6) Re: companions eye view by "~*~ Ciara ~*~" 7) Re: companions eye view by Kasebones-+AT+-cs.com 8) Sun and Shadow by Kasebones-+AT+-cs.com 9) Re: companions eye view by "~*~ Ciara ~*~" 10) Re: Serpent's Shadow by Paustinnew-+AT+-aol.com 11) Re:Sun and Shadow by "~*~ Ciara ~*~" 12) Re: Sun and Shadow by "Devin Alicia Harris" 13) Re: Sun and Shadow by "mark the tax zombie" 14) Re: Sun and Shadow by Kenneth Allen Hyde 15) Re: companions eye view by Clarinelh-+AT+-aol.com 16) Re: companions eye view by Barbara Hallock ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:01:53 -0500 (EST) From: Cariad To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Serpent's Shadow Message-ID: <383601818.985035714133.JavaMail.root-+AT+-web586-ec> Heyla all! I just read "The Serpent's Shadow", and I loved it! I would most hightly reccomend it. Well, before I go any farther, I'll have to add a SPOILER SPACE * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * There, that should be good! I was just curious as to what everyone else's thoughts on this book were? I really enjoyed it, but then I've always been fascinated with British India and the Victorian times. I especially liked the character of Amelia -- she reminds me a lot of myself. I wish Misty had gone back to here more as the story progressed...it seems like after she met her young man, the two of them just faded into the background. I loved the idea of tasting and feeling magic, too...I don't remember that point being made in "Fire Rose", which I think I'll have to re-read sometime soon. The only thing I didn't really like about the book was that the connections to the faerie tale "Snow White" were only superficial at best. I think it might have been better to have just left that part out all together, perhaps?? I'm not quite sure. Well, those are just my own rambelling thoughts! : ) Wind to thy wings, list-sibs! ~Cariad~ Singer of Fire (soprano), honourary member of the CfWD, Keeper of the Mystical Laundromat (tm) ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address -+AT+-email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:14:24 -0800 (PST) From: "Li'nia Stormdancer" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: companions eye view Message-ID: <20010319221424.5185.qmail-+AT+-web1202.mail.yahoo.com> Heyla List-Sibs! --- J80Kath-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > I have to agree, seeing through the eyes of the > companions would be amazing, can you imagine having > the storms book, at least part of them, through > Florian eyes. I agree, that point of view would be good. However, what I'd like to see even more than that would be Rolan's story. We don't even really know how old he is, although we do know that he's had at least two Heralds/Monarch's Own that he's Chosen. I'd be interested to see his life through his eyes... Death-by-chocolate sheep to all! ===== ---<---<---<----+AT+- Li'nia Stormdancer -+AT+---->--->--->--- Peon to the Powers That Be, Goddess of All Things Possessed, & Caretaker of the Arena of Discussion and Dissention __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:58:50 EST From: Natetoact-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: companions eye view Message-ID: --part1_e3.11e7895c.27e7e92a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think it would be a great story, but it could be.. different... kinda like reading from an alien species view point... many characters have commented on how there are just some basic differences in the way we think... I think there was a passage in Magic's Promise wherein Yfandes is talking to Vanyel and she says "You humans... you need to be touched" which started Van in on their fundamental differences. (sorry, not an exact qoute, the book is out in my car) Also, the "secret" of the Companion's would have to be out, and all of it... a Companion, thinking to itself, naturally would not avoid THINKING about their existence, eh? I think it would be cool if it was sorta "slipped" in another series, and then fully explored from the companions view point... but it would take away that air of mystery, too. Thanks for listening, and suspensful sheep to all! Nathyn "Oh, well. She's dead. Let's move on, shall we?"- Willy Wonka --part1_e3.11e7895c.27e7e92a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think it would be a great story, but it could be.. different... kinda like
reading from an alien species view point... many characters have commented on
how there are just some basic differences in the way we think... I think
there was a passage in
Magic's Promise wherein Yfandes is talking to Vanyel and she says "You
humans... you need to be touched" which started Van in on their fundamental
differences. (sorry, not an exact qoute, the book is out in my car) Also, the
"secret" of the Companion's would have to be out, and all of it... a
Companion, thinking to itself, naturally would not avoid THINKING about their
existence, eh? I think it would be cool if it was sorta "slipped" in another
series, and then fully explored from the companions view point... but it
would take away that air of mystery, too.

                  Thanks for listening, and suspensful sheep to all!
                  Nathyn

"Oh, well. She's dead. Let's move on, shall we?"- Willy Wonka --part1_e3.11e7895c.27e7e92a_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: 19 Mar 2001 23:02:09 -0000 From: "~*~ Ciara ~*~" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: so much room to play with re:other books Message-ID: <20010319230209.16457.qmail-+AT+-viebrock.chek.com> I agree, that would be an intersting concepct, although I think she may feel that the Companion's role would be somewhat less of a mystry afterward ________________________________________________________________ Get Free Anime Email, News, Links, Forums and Shopping at http://www.AnimeNation.com ------------------------------ Date: 19 Mar 2001 23:03:08 -0000 From: "~*~ Ciara ~*~" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re:companions eye view Message-ID: <20010319230308.4427.qmail-+AT+-ninelives.chek.com> I, personally, think that it would be a good idea if Misty would write a triology about Sun adn Shadow, so little is known, A little is mentioned in the Vanyel Books ( my fav) and a little more in teh talia books, but not much more after that point, what do you all think? ~*~ Misato ~*~ ________________________________________________________________ Get Free Anime Email, News, Links, Forums and Shopping at http://www.AnimeNation.com ------------------------------ Date: 19 Mar 2001 23:08:28 -0000 From: "~*~ Ciara ~*~" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: companions eye view Message-ID: <20010319230828.17312.qmail-+AT+-musone.chek.com> I think that is an execellent idea!!! My guess would be that in the vanyel books, after Sharvi died, and taver bonded to Jisa, I guess he died with Jisa, because in Brightly burning Rolan is the King's own Companion, it would be intersting to know what happened in Jisa and her husband (I forget his name) rule, and how Rolan came in wrote: >Heyla List-Sibs! > >--- J80Kath-+AT+-aol.com wrote: >> I have to agree, seeing through the eyes of the >> companions would be amazing, can you imagine having >> the storms book, at least part of them, through >> Florian eyes. > >I agree, that point of view would be good. However, >what I'd like to see even more than that would be >Rolan's story. We don't even really know how old he >is, although we do know that he's had at least two >Heralds/Monarch's Own that he's Chosen. I'd be >interested to see his life through his eyes... > >Death-by-chocolate sheep to all! > >===== >---<---<---<----+AT+- Li'nia Stormdancer -+AT+---->--->--->--- > Peon to the Powers That Be, > Goddess of All Things Possessed, & > Caretaker of the Arena of Discussion and Dissention > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > ________________________________________________________________ Get Free Anime Email, News, Links, Forums and Shopping at http://www.AnimeNation.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:13:35 EST From: Kasebones-+AT+-cs.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: companions eye view Message-ID: <9f.12c04430.27e7faaf-+AT+-cs.com> In a message dated 3/19/01 6:08:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, lady_stormdancer-+AT+-yahoo.com writes: > I agree, that point of view would be good. However, > what I'd like to see even more than that would be > Rolan's story. We don't even really know how old he > is, although we do know that he's had at least two > Heralds/Monarch's Own that he's Chosen. I'd be > interested to see his life through his eyes... I agree, he has a lot he could tell. Just wondering, but you know how Gwena still has a lot to learn; "She [Gwena] makes all the kinds of mistakes any young thing makes, but because she is Grove-born, she thinks she will always make the right decision. She forgets she has no real, human experience to base her decisions on." Winds of Fury, p.113-114 I wonder if Rolan ever had the same "newness", I guess you would call it, to the world. He seems very in control of himself now, but that could just be decades of experiences. As someone said, we don't reall know how old he is. I can imagine a new Monarch's Own having some troubles adjusting to the new position, and becoming a Herald, and it would be even more difficult without a Companion to turn to for some pointers. If a newly born Companion to the Monarch's Own made the same kind of mess ups as Gwena was liable to do, that could lead to some problems for a lot of people. Just sharing some ideas here, teel me what you think! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:30:43 EST From: Kasebones-+AT+-cs.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Sun and Shadow Message-ID: I think it would be a great idea, patially because there are multiple ballads written about them. (I was listening to them the other day on Mist's Valdemar CDs). All I know about them is that they had a terrible set of curses on them before theuy became Heralds. They must have gotten rid of the curses somehow right? Just wondering, KC ------------------------------ Date: 20 Mar 2001 01:19:33 -0000 From: "~*~ Ciara ~*~" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: companions eye view Message-ID: <20010320011933.27910.qmail-+AT+-viebrock.chek.com> On Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:32:28 GMT Kasebones-+AT+-cs.com wrote: >In a message dated 3/19/01 6:08:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, >lady_stormdancer-+AT+-yahoo.com writes: > >> I agree, that point of view would be good. However, >> what I'd like to see even more than that would be >> Rolan's story. We don't even really know how old he >> is, although we do know that he's had at least two >> Heralds/Monarch's Own that he's Chosen. I'd be >> interested to see his life through his eyes... > >I agree, he has a lot he could tell. > >Just wondering, but you know how Gwena still has a lot to learn; > "She [Gwena] makes all the kinds of mistakes any young thing makes, but >because she is Grove-born, she thinks she will always make the right >decision. She forgets she has no real, human experience to base her >decisions on." > Winds of Fury, p.113-114 > >I wonder if Rolan ever had the same "newness", I guess you would call it, to >the world. He seems very in control of himself now, but that could just be >decades of experiences. As someone said, we don't reall know how old he is. > >I can imagine a new Monarch's Own having some troubles adjusting to the new >position, and becoming a Herald, and it would be even more difficult without >a Companion to turn to for some pointers. If a newly born Companion to the >Monarch's Own made the same kind of mess ups as Gwena was liable to do, that >could lead to some problems for a lot of people. > >Just sharing some ideas here, teel me what you think! I think that any new (grove born) companion would have that newness around him, but as I stated before Rolan must have been born in King theran's time, because the King's own rides him, but then again, isn't Talmar supposed to? > ________________________________________________________________ Get Free Anime Email, News, Links, Forums and Shopping at http://www.AnimeNation.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:42:41 EST From: Paustinnew-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Serpent's Shadow Message-ID: <14.113ed10f.27e80f91-+AT+-aol.com> Greetings, listsibs. I'm going to talk about Serpent's Shadow, so here's my S P O I L E R S P A C E I S T H A T E N O U G H ? I liked the book a great deal. It deals with the challenges an Anglo-Indian woman who also is a doctor faced in trying to make a living. I had two complaints -- one was that most of us are not that familiar with Indian gods and goddesses. There were references that I simply didn't understand at times. That also applies to what were apparently well-known women of the time -- Misty has her characters talking about them, and I was left totally in the dark. I suspect other readers may feel the same way. I will be interested to hear others' views. Overall, I have to say this is one of the best Misty books I've read in a while. Pam, who goes by Map ------------------------------ Date: 20 Mar 2001 01:44:42 -0000 From: "~*~ Ciara ~*~" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re:Sun and Shadow Message-ID: <20010320014442.21295.qmail-+AT+-meowmix.chek.com> KC ~*~ I hope she does do a set of books about them, it would be intersting to find out more about what the ballads are based on. . .Although, given her track record, I feel she has been rushing the process of writting her novels, I don't understand why, because we, as her fans, would probably wait forever for her next books, as long as she could take more time. Don't get me wrong, I love her books, but Brightly Burning seemed rather rushed to me, she could have made it into a great triology, it would make more sense. Although the one book about Lavan Firestorm is a relief in itself, just to be able to know what Talia was talking about. . .what do you think? Misato >I think it would be a great idea, patially because there are multiple ballads >written about them. (I was listening to them the other day on Mist's >Valdemar CDs). All I know about them is that they had a terrible set of >curses on them before theuy became Heralds. They must have gotten rid of the >curses somehow right? > >Just wondering, >KC > ________________________________________________________________ Get Free Anime Email, News, Links, Forums and Shopping at http://www.AnimeNation.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:56:32 -0800 From: "Devin Alicia Harris" To: Subject: Re: Sun and Shadow Message-ID: <001d01c0b0e1$2194bd60$30861c0c-+AT+-computer> Just about everyone I know would like the "real story" of Sun and Shadow, but as far as I know, Misty thinks they'd be "better left as legends"...kind of like the answer she always gives for the founding of Valdemar. *sigh* Maybe she thinks it would take away from the "cultural richness" if she revealed the truth behind all the legends. Of course...and this may just be me...one of my favorite McCaffrey books takes the mystique out of the days "when man first came to Pern..." Dev http://greendragon.fanspace.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 5:42 PM Subject: Sun and Shadow > I think it would be a great idea, patially because there are multiple ballads > written about them. (I was listening to them the other day on Mist's > Valdemar CDs). All I know about them is that they had a terrible set of > curses on them before theuy became Heralds. They must have gotten rid of the > curses somehow right? > > Just wondering, > KC _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free -+AT+-yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:17:48 -0600 From: "mark the tax zombie" To: Subject: Re: Sun and Shadow Message-ID: <001d01c0b0d3$33186a40$14c7e4d8-+AT+-MarkSeverson> KC wrote > I think it would be a great idea, patially because there are multiple ballads > written about them. (I was listening to them the other day on Mist's > Valdemar CDs). All I know about them is that they had a terrible set of > curses on them before theuy became Heralds. They must have gotten rid of the > curses somehow right? > > Just wondering, > KC It is a wonderful storyline. One I fervently wish that Misty would expand upon. Unfortunately if my faulty memory can be trusted she said some time ago that was not to be. A VERY similar story is told in a movie called Lady Hawk, IMHO an excellent movie. In it you have two lovers who are cursed, he by night, her by day. To tell anymore about it would spoil the movie. If you haven't seen it I heartily recommend it. Time for this tax zombie to get back to the books. mttz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:44:00 -0500 (EST) From: Kenneth Allen Hyde To: Misty Lackey List Subject: Re: Sun and Shadow Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, mark the tax zombie wrote: > A VERY similar story is told in a movie called Lady Hawk, IMHO an excellent > movie. In it you have two lovers who are cursed, he by night, her by day. > To tell anymore about it would spoil the movie. Actually, I've always wondered about this coincidence. If I remember correctly, "Ladyhawke" came out just before Arrows of The Queen. I've often wondered if Misty saw the film and might have been subconsciously influenced to create her own similar myth. Of course, the cursed lovers is a fairly common theme (the really old versions of course are seasonal), so it may have just been a pure coincidence. =) Oh, and I definitely recommend "Ladyhawke" also. It is beautiful, rich, touching, frightening, and hilarious by turns. Not to mention that the acting is, without exception, incredible. It is probably Rutger Hauer's best English-language role. So, if you can't read a novel version of "Sun and Shadow," do see "Ladyhawke." Oh, and did I mention that Tangerine Dream did the music? =) Cennydd Councilor of Mist Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me //www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/prof/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:16:56 EST From: Clarinelh-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: companions eye view Message-ID: <4b.8fe3d0c.27e841c8-+AT+-aol.com> Would it take all of the mystery away? Could not the grove born have a mystery even the regular companions cannot comprehend? More of their eye view, and an added mystery. Could be a right challenge that. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:38:38 -0800 (PST) From: Barbara Hallock To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: companions eye view Message-ID: <32407598.985109918416.JavaMail.imail-+AT+-slippery> ...Heyla Listsibs! Li'nia Stormdancer says that all we know about Rolan is that he's had at least two Chosen, being the MOC and all... S P O I L E R Anyway, I think he had WAY more because I'm pretty sure he gets mentioned in Brightly Burning which was like 200 years before Talia's time... can't find my exact quote though. _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2546 **********************************