MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2548 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Healing advances by Sarah Ardern 2) Re: When in lack of Misty... by "Babs" 3) Re: companions eye view by "Layla Voll" 4) Re: Sun and Shadow by Kate Tyler 5) Re: Healing advances by Lish Monahan 6) Re:Healing advances by "~*~ Ciara ~*~" 7) Misty Comp Lit. by Kenneth Allen Hyde 8) Futures and Companions by Sara Peek 9) Re: Healing advances by mclouds-+AT+-cc.wwu.edu 10) RE: Healing advances by "Doreen Glynn" 11) Re: companions eye view by Kasebones-+AT+-cs.com 12) Re: companions eye view by Ilaria1431-+AT+-aol.com 13) Re: Healing advances by david Goodwin 14) Re: companions eye view by Julia Gray 15) Mysty's mystery by "Gondar" 16) RE: a note about one liners by "Gondar" 17) Re: companions eye view by "~*~ Ciara ~*~" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 12:59:47 -0800 (PST) From: Sarah Ardern To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Healing advances Message-ID: <18682299.985208387906.JavaMail.imail-+AT+-ants.excite.com> Heyla all... hope any mid-terms/finals/other exams/revision for those still in the glorious world of education (like me) are going ok. I'm up to my eyebrows in coursework and most of it is due in on this friday. excuse me while i have a minor panic about my technology work *ahahahahahahahaheeeeeeeeeee* right now onto what i was really gonna say... thanks to amy who reitterated the onlist rule about one liners. it's rude, it's time consuming and really if you're just agreeing with someone do it in your own head and think it to all of us unless you have something else to say as well as yes i like ... as well. i love getting list mail but having four ppl say "i agree" is kind of irritating when time is short. okay, rant over. Now to my obmisty: I was re-reading magic's promise for the thousandth time last night and was reading about how Stef's abilities are being copied by the healers although both parties have to be in trance. what i was wondering is that over time and through the novels the healing has advanced enough so that the healers who are speed healing talia can do it while she is consious. this brings up quite an advancement in the healers' work etc. but i can't see any other major advancements that have really happened between van's time and the arrows/winds/storms/owls. has anyone else noticed this (or am i going insane) or has anyone got any examples of techological advancement in the books. don't get me wrong i love all the books how they are and wouldn't want someone inventing something as world-destroying as electricity but shouldn't something have advanced? even a little bit? i'm not even going to attempt to read over what i've just written so i apologise if it doesn't make any sense at all :) oh and... **moonstalker sneaks up behind the group of newbies clustering in the center of the hall and without any warning SPLOOSH they've been hit my the Enchanted Bucket #2 TM. welcome to the MLML!!!!!!!! (<--- yeah, it's official, i've gone loopy) if you ask nicely i'm sure someone will give u the url of the newbie fest where the sheep, the !s and all our other goings on are explained. welcome. here, have a towel!** Fuzzy sheep shaped hats made from itchy wool to anyone who is cold and wet at the moment. and big sheep shaped clouds to those who aren't. Zhai'helleva Moonstalker :) (almost permanant) Carrier of the Enchanted Bucket #2 TM She'enedra to Brynn "Friends, however distant, are always present." - Cicero _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:16:11 -0000 From: "Babs" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: When in lack of Misty... Message-ID: <3AB9282B.14747.5C5FD-+AT+-localhost> For the folks who mentioned Jennifer Roberson - have you tried her Cheysuli chronicles? Beginning with Shapechangers and finishing with Tapestry of Lions, I found it one of the most intriguing fantasy worlds I ever read about. Babs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:10:00 From: "Layla Voll" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: companions eye view Message-ID: Ciara writes: >I'm writting a comparsion essay, and I'm comparing Vanyel's Magic's Pawn to >Brightly Burning, do any of you have any suggestions? >I was going to focus on the fact that Vanyel was kind of an outcast, and >was bullied by Jervis, and how Lavan was bullied by tyron, and was also an >outcast, because like Vanyel, he didn't like the future set out for him. . >. What do you guys think? Interesting. "Not liking the future set out for you" appears to be a common theme for ML heroes and heroines, and fantasy/adventure heroes in general: you could say the same thing about Elspeth (her rebellion against the plans set for her future being a major part of "Winds") and Talia (not liking the future set out for her as a Holderkin female, for which she is definitely tormented as a child). Elspeth seems to be the only one not labeled an outcast for it. Layla _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:36:30 +1200 From: Kate Tyler To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Sun and Shadow Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010322110148.00af9210-+AT+-pop3.paradise.net.nz> At 20:44 21/03/2001 +0000, you wrote: >I don't think so, actually: I always had the sense that it was a tragic >story, with the lovers always doomed to be separated, throughout a series of >multiple lives. > >Layla I don't know about a series of multiple lives, what I am sure of is that at the end of there life they got to be together even if only for a short time. If I am remembering things right. Don't they get to be together at don and dusk. Which is how they meat then, after at some time there was an eclipse, which set them free at least for the time of the eclipse. Kate ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 19:39:00 -0500 (EST) From: Lish Monahan To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Healing advances Message-ID: > Now to my obmisty: > I was re-reading magic's promise for the thousandth time last night and was > reading about how Stef's abilities are being copied by the healers although > both parties have to be in trance. what i was wondering is that over time > and through the novels the healing has advanced enough so that the healers > who are speed healing talia can do it while she is consious. this brings up > quite an advancement in the healers' work etc. but i can't see any other > major advancements that have really happened between van's time and the > arrows/winds/storms/owls. has anyone else noticed this (or am i going > insane) or has anyone got any examples of techological advancement in the > books. don't get me wrong i love all the books how they are and wouldn't > want someone inventing something as world-destroying as electricity but > shouldn't something have advanced? even a little bit? Well, they obviously have engineers and such in the Storms books, and they're making pretty rapid advances in the area of steam engines, so technology is moving, albeit slowly. Which is all right. I sort of figured that the Mage Storms sort of threw every one back into the Dark Ages, a la The Fall of Rome in this world. And then we had pretty close to 1000 years (650 - 1650) without a whole lot of technological advancement, just lots of refinement. And then somebody went off and started playing with steam and black powder, the enlightenment happened and whoosh! Here we are 350 years later writing across the atlantic ocean in a matter of milliseconds on boxes made of plastic and silicon. Wouldn't it be weird/cool to see what would happen to Velgarth/Valdemar if they had an industrial revolution? Would they lost their dependence on magic, or would they develop all sorts of neat interfaces that would allow them to do things we haven't even imagined? ------------------------------ Date: 22 Mar 2001 00:47:48 -0000 From: "~*~ Ciara ~*~" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re:Healing advances Message-ID: <20010322004748.12596.qmail-+AT+-musone.chek.com> I've noticed her - uh not to be rude- lack of back tracking while writting her novels. They're all wonderful, but I have to agree, there aren't really very many advances in their medical field. It seems that when the healers were avble to copy Stefen's abilities, they kinda of stopped advancing. . . But then again you have to keep in mind that The Talis books were written before the vanyel books (weird huh, kind of liek Star Wars) I think it would be an intersting idea, if she could write a series about the Healers, and how they have advanced, but actully be able to tell specific things that they have done, and who's done them etc. We don't know much about the MindHealers, like Talia, and Elenor in bright burning. . .Althought I'd also like to see her write about the time after Vanyel died, like what happened to his family, did stefen keep in touch with him? and what happened to stefen after Vanyel died? we know Vanyel told him he had to fulfill his duty in life before they could be together, and he had to do this through his songs, and we know how he died, but we don't know anything specific he did in the long time him and Vanyel were aprat. . .Stefen was 18 when Vanyel died. . .it could tie into a series that could fall under Treven and Jisa's regin. . .Sorry 'bout the grammer and spelling, I'm too lazy to go over it again. . .but what do you guys think? On Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:50:17 GMT Sarah Ardern wrote: >Heyla all... hope any mid-terms/finals/other exams/revision for those still >in the glorious world of education (like me) are going ok. I'm up to my >eyebrows in coursework and most of it is due in on this friday. excuse me >while i have a minor panic about my technology work >*ahahahahahahahaheeeeeeeeeee* right now onto what i was really gonna say... > >thanks to amy who reitterated the onlist rule about one liners. it's rude, >it's time consuming and really if you're just agreeing with someone do it in >your own head and think it to all of us unless you have something else to >say as well as yes i like ... as well. i love getting list mail but having >four ppl say "i agree" is kind of irritating when time is short. okay, rant >over. > >Now to my obmisty: >I was re-reading magic's promise for the thousandth time last night and was >reading about how Stef's abilities are being copied by the healers although >both parties have to be in trance. what i was wondering is that over time >and through the novels the healing has advanced enough so that the healers >who are speed healing talia can do it while she is consious. this brings up >quite an advancement in the healers' work etc. but i can't see any other >major advancements that have really happened between van's time and the >arrows/winds/storms/owls. has anyone else noticed this (or am i going >insane) or has anyone got any examples of techological advancement in the >books. don't get me wrong i love all the books how they are and wouldn't >want someone inventing something as world-destroying as electricity but >shouldn't something have advanced? even a little bit? > >i'm not even going to attempt to read over what i've just written so i >apologise if it doesn't make any sense at all :) > >oh and... >**moonstalker sneaks up behind the group of newbies clustering in the center >of the hall and without any warning SPLOOSH they've been hit my the >Enchanted Bucket #2 TM. welcome to the MLML!!!!!!!! (<--- yeah, it's >official, i've gone loopy) if you ask nicely i'm sure someone will give u >the url of the newbie fest where the sheep, the !s and all our other goings >on are explained. welcome. here, have a towel!** > >Fuzzy sheep shaped hats made from itchy wool to anyone who is cold and wet >at the moment. and big sheep shaped clouds to those who aren't. > >Zhai'helleva >Moonstalker :) >(almost permanant) Carrier of the Enchanted Bucket #2 TM >She'enedra to Brynn >"Friends, however distant, are always present." - Cicero > > > > > >_______________________________________________________ >Send a cool gift with your E-Card >http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ > > > ________________________________________________________________ Get Free Anime Email, News, Links, Forums and Shopping at http://www.AnimeNation.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 20:03:50 -0500 (EST) From: Kenneth Allen Hyde To: Misty Lackey List Subject: Misty Comp Lit. Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Layla Voll wrote: > Interesting. "Not liking the future set out for you" appears to be a common > theme for ML heroes and heroines, and fantasy/adventure heroes in general I think it would probably be more accurate to say that the theme is "not fitting in." The classic "I am a stranger in a strange land" sort of feeling that impels the character out of their initial place in the narrative world and into the mainstream of the narration. This is one of the most common strategies in narration for initiating the plot. > Elspeth seems to be the only one not labeled an outcast for it. True, although I seem to remember that *she* felt out of place and a misfit in her world. Boy, talking about this stuff makes me want to get out my comp lit paper on strategies of narration and start working on that again. Who knows, I might get a couple of publishable papers out of it. And that couldn't hurt when I'm out on the job market. =) Naaaaaah. I've got too much to do as it is. I'll just throw out off-the-cuff remarks on the list until someone hits me over the head with a semiotic sheep. =) May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd Councilor of Mist Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me //www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/prof/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 17:21:43 -0800 (PST) From: Sara Peek To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Futures and Companions Message-ID: <20010322012143.17460.qmail-+AT+-web4602.mail.yahoo.com> > Elspeth seems to be the only > one not labeled an > outcast for it. (not wanting her future laid out) It does affect her, though. Had she told people that she disliked the idea of being queen, many (non-Heralds) would think that she had gone nuts. ***On Rolan and Companions in general*** Ok, last first. I'm kinda nitpicking, but since Companions were/will be human, there shouldn't be much disparity between the two styles of telling. However, a Companion's POV might not be as interesting, because they do not first-handedly (my English teacher would kill me for that :)) experience the conflicts. Usually. One interesting (but weird) idea would be a story from the POV of a Companion prevented from Choosing, who then must take on the Chosen's role for some-or-another conflict. It's interesting to see the different views people (including Companions) have of Rolan. In BB you get the impression of leader/father, big imposing guy and all, and then in Arrows, still someone confident, but also much more familiar and less held in awe, by everyone, not just Talia. This is pretty loose reasoning, but could he have been "new" then? Not have... um... existed very long? *steps down off IMHO podium* Thanks for not throwing veggies or sheep at me. :) That *was* kinda long. Wind to thy wings and bright tomorrows all, Sara Crazy Freshman (slightly less crazy now, since I'm done with finals, yippee!) You have not even to risk the adventure alone, For the heroes of all time have gone before you. ~Joseph Campbell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 17:36:18 -0800 From: mclouds-+AT+-cc.wwu.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Healing advances Message-ID: <3AB95712.6ED3834F-+AT+-cc.wwu.edu> --------------28E9298276B318BB9BC86795 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Newby Scott writes: I suppose just the conversation over a lack of progress is progress. Most long running series don't even consider it. David Eddings explained away the long period of relative no change by the stoppage of time at THE EVENT. Presumably if he were to write another in Garion's world, one would expect advancement. But that is beside the point. A possible explanation could be a side effect from the "no magic" prohibition after Vanyel. Healing and the Bardic gift are not the gift of magic per se, but could have been close enough to retard any idea of research and progress. The only way to test this hypothesis would be to examine the state of Healing outside of Valdemar. Perhaps poor Valdemar has become a backwater in all but the mindgifts? Cheers! Scott McLoud, man of mystery (as in, what the heck is he doing now?) --------------28E9298276B318BB9BC86795 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
 
Newby Scott writes:

I suppose just the conversation over a lack of progress is progress.  Most long running series don't even consider it.  David Eddings explained away the long period of relative no change by the stoppage of time at THE EVENT.  Presumably if he were to write another in Garion's world, one would expect advancement.
But that is beside the point.  A possible explanation could be a side effect from the "no magic" prohibition after Vanyel.  Healing and the Bardic gift are not the gift of magic per se, but could have been close enough to retard any idea of research and progress.  The only way to test this hypothesis would be to examine the state of Healing outside of Valdemar.  Perhaps poor Valdemar has become a backwater in all but the mindgifts?

Cheers!

Scott McLoud, man of mystery

(as in, what the heck is he doing now?)
  --------------28E9298276B318BB9BC86795-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 20:49:28 -0600 From: "Doreen Glynn" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: RE: Healing advances Message-ID: <412001342224928680-+AT+-earthlink.net> Actually from what I got out of the more modern books is that a lot of knowledge has in fact disappeared. Vanyel's time the "advances" were based on mage abilities. With the loss of the mages and the loss of even TALKING about magic a great deal of conveniences and advances were also gone. I think that the folks that were left spent a great deal of effort just trying to find mundane ways to do magical things. > [Original Message] > From: Sarah Ardern > To: > Date: 3/21/01 4:53:15 PM > Subject: Healing advances > > Heyla all... hope any mid-terms/finals/other exams/revision for those still > in the glorious world of education (like me) are going ok. I'm up to my > eyebrows in coursework and most of it is due in on tFridayiday. excuse me > while i have a minor panic about my technology work > *ahahahahahahahaheeeeeeeeeee* right now onto what i was really gonna say... > > thanks to amy who reitterated the onlist rule about one liners. it's rude, > it's time consuming and really if you're just agreeing with someone do it in > your own head and think it to all of us unless you have something else to > say as well as yes i like ... as well. i love getting list mail but having > four ppl say "i agree" is kind of irritating when time is short. okay, rant > over. > > Now to my obmisty: > I was re-reading magic's promise for the thousandth time last night and was > reading about how Stef's abilities are being copied by the healers although > both parties have to be in trance. what i was wondering is that over time > and through the novels the healing has advanced enough so that the healers > who are speed healing talia can do it while she is consious. this brings up > quite an advancement in the healers' work etc. but i can't see any other > major advancements that have really happened between van's time and the > arrows/winds/storms/owls. has anyone else noticed this (or am i going > insane) or has anyone got any examples of techological advancement in the > books. don't get me wrong i love all the books how they are and wouldn't > want someone inventing something as world-destroying as electricity but > shouldn't something have advanced? even a little bit? > > i'm not even going to attempt to read over what i've just written so i > apologise if it doesn't make any sense at all :) > > oh and... > **moonstalker sneaks up behind the group of newbies clustering in the center > of the hall and without any warning SPLOOSH they've been hit my the > Enchanted Bucket #2 TM. welcome to the MLML!!!!!!!! (<--- yeah, it's > official, i've gone loopy) if you ask nicely i'm sure someone will give u > the url of the newbie fest where the sheep, the !s and all our other goings > on are explained. welcome. here, have a towel!** > > Fuzzy sheep shaped hats made from itchy wool to anyone who is cold and wet > at the moment. and big sheep shaped clouds to those who aren't. > > Zhai'helleva > Moonstalker :) > (almost permanant) Carrier of the Enchanted Bucket #2 TM > She'enedra to Brynn > "Friends, however distant, are always present." - Cicero > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Send a cool gift with your E-Card > http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:01:18 EST From: Kasebones-+AT+-cs.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: companions eye view Message-ID: Ok, I'ma bit confused. If Rolan was the King's Own's Companion, 200 years ago, why is he still around? Is there a continuous reincarnation of "Rolans"? I think it said somewhere that the Herald doesn't survive long w/o the Companion, (or maybe it was the other way around Magic's Pawn, perhaps?) Anyways, After all of these Monarch's Own's, wouldn't Rolan be a little upset that his Heralds kept dying off? ( A little morbid, maybe?) Just Confused, KC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 00:50:05 EST From: Ilaria1431-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: companions eye view Message-ID: --part1_bc.120645a2.27eaec8d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit KC writes: "If Rolan was the King's Own's Companion, 200 years ago, why is he still around? Is there a continuous reincarnation of "Rolans"? I think it said somewhere that the Herald doesn't survive long w/o the Companion, (or maybe it was the other way around Magic's Pawn, perhaps?) Anyways, After all of these Monarch's Own's, wouldn't Rolan be a little upset that his Heralds kept dying off...." lol....can a Companion get an emotional complex of sorts? Kinda like the red shirt thing on the original Star Trek....anyone Chosen by Rolan will end up dead. I can just see it.....evening in Companion's Field after Rolan has just Chosen yet *another* MO.... :Well, I wonder how long *this* one will last.: Sorry. Actually, I think it is a valid question. It was in one of the Arrows books that it was stated the the MO Companion never seems to age, can't die by normal means, but it can be killed. Given the violent way most Heralds seem to die (wasn't it also told to Talia in AotQ that most Heralds never live to see old age?), it seems VERY odd that Rolan should still be around after all this time. I, personally, was very surprised to see him show up in BB. It just didn't seem feasible. Of course, Talia probably wouldn't have minded too much. With her penchant for tales, and given the way she and Rolan communicate in thoughts and images and her Gift of Empathy, he probably could have "told" her the story of Lavan in such a way that made her feel as though she were there. Herald Jacquelle "Why is that when you talk to God, you're praying, but when God talks to you, you're nuts?" Monica, Touched by an Angel --part1_bc.120645a2.27eaec8d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit KC writes:  "If Rolan was the King's Own's Companion, 200 years
ago, why is he still around?  Is there a continuous reincarnation of
"Rolans"?  I think it said somewhere that the Herald doesn't survive long w/o
the Companion, (or maybe it was the other way around Magic's Pawn, perhaps?)
Anyways, After all of these Monarch's Own's, wouldn't Rolan be a little upset
that his Heralds kept dying off...."

lol....can a Companion get an emotional complex of sorts?  Kinda like the red
shirt thing on the original Star Trek....anyone Chosen by Rolan will end up
dead.  I can just see it.....evening in Companion's Field after Rolan has
just Chosen yet *another* MO.... :Well, I wonder how long *this* one will
last.:

Sorry.  Actually, I think it is a valid question.  It was in one of the
Arrows books that it was stated the the MO Companion never seems to age,
can't die by normal means, but it can be killed.  Given the violent way most
Heralds seem to die (wasn't it also told to Talia in AotQ that most Heralds
never live to see old age?), it seems VERY odd that Rolan should still be
around after all this time.  I, personally, was very surprised to see him
show up in BB.  It just didn't seem feasible.  Of course, Talia probably
wouldn't have minded too much.  With her penchant for tales, and given the
way she and Rolan communicate in thoughts and images and her Gift of Empathy,
he probably could have "told" her the story of Lavan in such a way that made
her feel as though she were there.

Herald Jacquelle




"Why is that when you talk to God, you're praying, but when God talks to you,
you're nuts?"  Monica, Touched by an Angel --part1_bc.120645a2.27eaec8d_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: 21 Mar 2001 23:09:08 -0800 From: david Goodwin To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Healing advances Message-ID: <20010322070908.5097.cpmta-+AT+-c005.sfo.cp.net> On Wed, 21 March 2001, Sarah Ardern wrote: > > > Now to my obmisty: > I was re-reading magic's promise for the thousandth time last night and was > reading about how Stef's abilities are being copied by the healers although > both parties have to be in trance. what i was wondering is that over time > and through the novels the healing has advanced enough so that the healers > who are speed healing talia can do it while she is consious. this brings up > quite an advancement in the healers' work etc. but i can't see any other > major advancements that have really happened between van's time and the > arrows/winds/storms/owls. has anyone else noticed this (or am i going > insane) or has anyone got any examples of techological advancement in the > books. don't get me wrong i love all the books how they are and wouldn't > want someone inventing something as world-destroying as electricity but > shouldn't something have advanced? even a little bit? > > It's not that it doesn't make sense it does in a way, i agree i haven't seen any advances in healing techniques thru the books, even from way back in uthro's time up to talia/skif etc, but, and i stress the word but, what stef was doing with king randale the healing trance thingy wasn't the same as what the healers were doing with talia, randale was ill, stef just made it so that randale didn't feel the pain, the speed healing has always being there, it's what the healer did to van when he was captured by master darks men, tho at the time van was asleep he didn't need to be. dave ------------------------------------------------------------- Sign up for ICQmail at http://www.icq.com/icqmail/signup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:51:58 -0600 From: Julia Gray To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: companions eye view Message-ID: <3ABA118E.1374382A-+AT+-oakton.edu> quotes clipped for brevity; as there is only one thing I'd like to respond to now, I'm sorry I'm not braiding > KC writes: Anyways, After all of these Monarch's Own's, wouldn't Rolan be a little upset that his Heralds kept dying > off...." > Well, I think that some of what happens in the Arrows trilogy can help explain that - specifically the two deaths where the people come back to tell Talia that they are happy, that everything is great, etc. - and especially when Kris dies and the feeling of utter happines he experiences (IIRC). If you had a great number of Heralds, and you know that you would come to know and love each one, and each one was going to die - but at death they would find complete happiness and choices as to what to do next, wouldn't that make it easier? Also - if Rolan is reincarnated ONLY as a grove born companion again and again (so he's only ever been a spirit), wouldn't that explain some of his comments about Gwena - I don't recall the exact phrase, but something like even as a grove born she didn't have much experience? just some random thoughts, that do not make me itch do to any type of comp lit papers at all, just to try to dig up my books yet again when I get home. betha'lis, tired of the one liners and the extensive quoting, offers everyone some scissor (with little sheep on them, of course) and some wooly twine to help with braiding. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:28:00 +0100 From: "Gondar" To: Subject: Mysty's mystery Message-ID: >but it would take away that air of mystery, too. I agree. That is only thing which lack me in mystys book. There are too little mysteries! I know book even in the half of reading it. In the same way think my friend. The last mystery should be not known for ever! GOndar ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:28:03 +0100 From: "Gondar" To: Subject: RE: a note about one liners Message-ID: I'm not sure... Sometimes I want write only one thought, and that thought don't have to be very big... But I agree, that somepeople write two mails about one thing in the same moment, and that is really annoying... And for me there is another problem, I can't write long mails beacuse I can't... I can't speak eanglish good enought to say all what i think about, but i want to show you my opinion... Gondar ------------------------------ Date: 22 Mar 2001 20:52:45 -0000 From: "~*~ Ciara ~*~" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: companions eye view Message-ID: <20010322205245.11093.qmail-+AT+-meowmix.chek.com> KC You have to keep in mind though that Grove Born Companions may or may not out live their chosen, I guess in Rolan's case he kinda sorta lived a REALLY long time. . .but then again, rememebr in Vanyel's books about being re-born again? maybe Rolan sat out like two turns in between or something and was re born for Talmar's time after Brightly Burning? On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 04:34:20 GMT Kasebones-+AT+-cs.com wrote: >Ok, I'ma bit confused. If Rolan was the King's Own's Companion, 200 years >ago, why is he still around? Is there a continuous reincarnation of >"Rolans"? I think it said somewhere that the Herald doesn't survive long w/o >the Companion, (or maybe it was the other way around Magic's Pawn, perhaps?) >Anyways, After all of these Monarch's Own's, wouldn't Rolan be a little upset >that his Heralds kept dying off? ( A little morbid, maybe?) > >Just Confused, >KC > ________________________________________________________________ Get Free Anime Email, News, Links, Forums and Shopping at http://www.AnimeNation.com ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2548 **********************************