MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2552 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Fanfic and copyright, favourite writers by MDennis460-+AT+-aol.com 2) Re: Fanfic and copyright, favourite writers by "Charlotte DiStefano" 3) Re: Fanfic and copyright, favourite writers by "Devin Alicia Harris" 4) Homepage by "Doreen Glynn" 5) Re: Fanfic and copyright, favourite writers by Kenneth Allen Hyde 6) Re: Sherrill's Varicolored Hair by "Layla Voll" 7) Website URLs. by "Lorna Appleby" 8) Re: Rolan (various bits) by "Layla Voll" 9) Re: Website URLs. by RachaelPoet-+AT+-aol.com 10) Re: Website URLs. by "Janos Bornemisza" 11) Re: Website URLs. by "Misty's Secretary" 12) Re: Website URLs. by "~*~ Ciara ~*~" 13) Re: Website URLs. by "Molly McAllister" 14) Re: Homepage by MDennis460-+AT+-aol.com 15) Looked-forward to.... by Natetoact-+AT+-aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 19:57:04 EST From: MDennis460-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Fanfic and copyright, favourite writers Message-ID: <49.9416fee.27efede0-+AT+-aol.com> --part1_49.9416fee.27efede0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One of my friends was "that fan" and mzb wanted to use my friend's original ideas placed in the darkover universe but not give credit in a way that seemed fair to my friend. No agreement could be reached so mzb decided to not publish the work in progress, but my friend also couldn't publish her ideas either. Neither side won. This incident touched off a great furor in the darkover fandom, and everyone pointed fingers and argued one side or the other -- This possibly was a contributing factor to misty's stand to fan fiction. You must ask her to be sure. You should also read some of misty's own words on the fan fiction subject on the ask misty list serve on the firebird arts and music site, she says she took this stand on her lawyers' advice. I think she was telling the truth. And as far as I am concerned that is the end of the subject. Her worlds, her rules, her decision. Everyone can say or rationalize her decision any way they want, as far as they want, but her decision still stands. To know for sure what misty had in mind when she made the decision, again you must ask her. You can continue to enjoy her books and move on to other topics. Or not, that is your decision. Still no fan fiction may be published. Still her worlds, her rules, her decision. I have been on this listserv for several years and this topic periodically returns. We have said about everything that has been said before. I am ready to move on to other topics ... and hope I am not the only one--any suggestions? I do not wish to hurt anyone's feelings here, but I am ready to move onto another topic. Thank you. --part1_49.9416fee.27efede0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One of my friends was "that fan" and mzb wanted to use my friend's original
ideas placed in the darkover universe but not give credit in a way that
seemed fair to my friend.  No agreement could be reached so mzb decided to
not publish the work in progress, but my friend also couldn't publish her
ideas either.  Neither side won.

This incident touched off a great furor in the darkover fandom, and everyone
pointed fingers and argued one side or the other -- This possibly was a
contributing factor to misty's stand to fan fiction. You must ask her to be
sure. You should also read some of misty's own words on the fan fiction
subject on the ask misty list serve on the firebird arts and music site, she
says she took this stand on her lawyers' advice. I think she was telling the
truth.  And as far as I am concerned that is the end of the subject.  Her
worlds, her rules, her decision.

Everyone can say or rationalize her decision any way they want, as far as
they want, but her decision still stands. To know for sure what misty had in
mind when she made the decision, again you must ask her.  You can continue to
enjoy her books and move on to other topics. Or not, that is your decision.  
Still no fan fiction may be published.  Still her worlds, her rules, her
decision.

I have been on this listserv for several years and this topic periodically
returns. We have said about everything that has been said before.  I am ready
to move on to other topics ... and hope I am not the only one--any
suggestions?  I do not wish to hurt anyone's feelings here, but I am ready to
move onto another topic.  Thank you.  

--part1_49.9416fee.27efede0_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 01:43:36 From: "Charlotte DiStefano" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Fanfic and copyright, favourite writers Message-ID: "You should also read some of misty's own words on the fan fiction subject on the ask misty list serve on the firebird arts and music site, she says she took this stand on her lawyers' advice. I think she was telling the truth. And as far as I am concerned that is the end of the subject. Her worlds, her rules, her decision... I have been on this listserv for several years and this topic periodically returns. We have said about everything that has been said before. I am ready to move on to other topics ... and hope I am not the only one--any suggestions? I do not wish to hurt anyone's feelings here, but I am ready to move onto another topic. Thank you." I more than second this statement. I think Misty is perfectly justified in how she feels on this topic, but that isn't really what is important. It is her decision, and I don't really see why we are discussing it. Also, there is a long explaination of all of this on the Misty website, so if anyone is curious, they should look there. Sorry if this sounded like a flame, it wasn't meant to be. ~Lightsong Royal Defender of the Brat Dame of OoAM She'enedra to Starshadow ~ ~ Do not live merely in harmony, and some say, but in melody. ~ ~ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 18:37:01 -0800 From: "Devin Alicia Harris" To: Subject: Re: Fanfic and copyright, favourite writers Message-ID: <001a01c0b59d$a4be4600$51811c0c-+AT+-computer> NO fanfiction may be published? I was under the impression from the fanclub that fanfiction was allowed within certain guidelines? Has Misty's stand become more hard-core? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 5:17 PM Subject: Re: Fanfic and copyright, favourite writers > > Everyone can say or rationalize her decision any way they want, as far as > they want, but her decision still stands. To know for sure what misty had in > mind when she made the decision, again you must ask her. You can continue to > enjoy her books and move on to other topics. Or not, that is your decision. > Still no fan fiction may be published. Still her worlds, her rules, her > decision. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free -+AT+-yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 20:55:39 -0600 From: "Doreen Glynn" To: "mercedes-lackey" Subject: Homepage Message-ID: <412001312625539260-+AT+-earthlink.net> Okay I know there is one I had it saved at one time then lost my hard drive (thank you gateway tech support)so now I need you to help! I was there- it was ML's personal web page. I remember pictures of her birds and a shot of her in a race car. I have searched with every search engine I can find and gone through a veritable maze of links from here to here to there to......anyway can anybody help? Thanks much! --- Doreen Glynn --- timedancer0624-+AT+-earthlink.net Live long and may the force be with you. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 13:00:43 -0500 (EST) From: Kenneth Allen Hyde To: Misty Lackey List Subject: Re: Fanfic and copyright, favourite writers Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, Devin Alicia Harris wrote: > NO fanfiction may be published? I was under the impression from the fanclub > that fanfiction was allowed within certain guidelines? Has Misty's stand > become more hard-core? Fan-fiction (of any kind) is a violation of the original author's copyright. It may not legally be published at all, in the USA. However, there's a loop-hole. Since copyright law is part of the Civil Code, violations are only prosecuted if the copyright owner chooses to take legal action. All the fan-fic sites that do exist, exist solely due to the forbearance of the authors whose work they are based on. Misty has made it clear that she will not refrain from prosecution and that she is willing to defend her copyrights. This is actually a very good position. A history of not defending her copyrights (i.e., allowing fan-fic to flourish freely) would seriously weaken her ability to defend her copyrights in a court of law. Believe it or not, this is one of the things that courts look at when considering a copyright infringment case. Anyway, this is all in the Newbiefest as well as on a number of webpages that have been mentioned. Rather than coming up with means-spirit and childish complaints (y'all know exactly who I am talking to, and who I'm not talking to) about not being able to do whatever we want with Misty's creations, I suggest we move on to something a little more elevating. May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd Councilor of Mist Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me //www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/prof/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:40:29 From: "Layla Voll" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Sherrill's Varicolored Hair Message-ID: Cennydd writes: > > I can't remember what color Selenay was supposed to have had, > although >I always pictured her with very pale wheat-colored hair.>> and Raven Darkblade responds: >And as far as I can recall, Selenay is in fact blonde--in By The Sword, >she's described as looking a lot like Kerowyn, who is blonde and >blue-green-eyed. The actual description may vary depending on who's looking at her, since blond hair has any number of more and less flattering possible adjectives. But the description from Daren's point of view, the first time he sees her, calls her hair "gold." I think it's also "gold" when Talia meets her for the first time. (As opposed to Dirk, whose hair is "straw.") Layla _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:08:39 -0800 From: "Lorna Appleby" To: Subject: Website URLs. Message-ID: <006a01c0b628$2aab4b70$f240a8c0-+AT+-backtalk.org> The fifth message in two days has just come through saying "Read it on X webpage" and then doesn't include a URL. Maybe I'm a strange lady, but I feel that if you're going to quote a webpage as your back up or say "You can read it here" or "You should have read it here" You should include the URL for those of us who haven't been on this list for 6+ months and have apparently bookmarked everything that could possibly remotely have something to do with Misty. Sorry for sounding so grumpy, but four messages saying "Let's end this topic" is rather silly. If you wish to end a topic, don't hit the reply button. Two out of the four say "This has all been said before!" .. so why are you saying it again after the first person did? But, on to more relevant things.. It's my understanding that the Skif and Alberich books have been put on the back burner.. Which is really unfortunate, I, personally, would like to read the background on Alberich, see Karse before the revolution and so on and so forth.. Talia mentions that you rarely see Alberich's companion.. It would be kind of nice to get a feel for the companion's personality. (Kantor was his name? I don't remember.. too long since I've read the books) As to the colligium books.. I think they could be interesting.. It all depends on when they're set.. ^_^ Imagine being in the colligium at the start of the Hardorn war? Or during the mage wars? Finding out you're a mage and having the world turn upside down? Or if it's set after the treaty with Hardorn, Misty could reveal what's going on in the world. Just my dollar twenty-five. -Lorna ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 21:10:16 From: "Layla Voll" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Rolan (various bits) Message-ID: On Choosing: Lorna writes: >As to whether the Companion *knows* .. I think they'd have a vague idea and >go forth and look for what they want.. I think in many cases, the other Companions keep their eyes out for suitable candidates. In "Arrows Flight," for instance, there's a point where Talia is talking to a group of kids, and one boy asks particularly insightful questions about Heralds and justice and such. Talia notices Rolan noticing, so to speak, and when she thinks to herself that a Companion might be headed that way in a few years, she is rewarded by a warm fuzzy feeling from Rolan. However, it doesn't explain how Heralds like Alberich and Talia get Chosen when they've never seen another Companion. (Yet another reason I'm sorry that the Alberich book is put on hold. I agree with Lorna that pre-revolution Karse would be interesting, but beyond all that, Alberich is such a great character, and different from so many of the recent ML young adult characters getting Chosen or developing powers and all.) Cennydd writes: >Actually, the proposal that is being responded to here was not that the MOC >did not have as deep a bond as other Companions. Rather, I proposed that >the MOC has a qualitatively different kind of bond. If our speculations >about the nature of Grove-born Companions is correct, it is very likely >that Rolan has no human soul. He may be a completely metaphysical being >whose reaction to the loss of a loved one is entirely different from our >human reactions. For one thing, if Rolan is truly an ageless other-world >spirit, he may not feel the same sense of "attachment" as the human spirits >of other Companions. While he might love and support his Chosen (perhaps >even more deeply than the mortal-souled Companions), he might equally be >immune to the grief that pulls a Companion into death after their Chosen. I was also thinking that Rolan isn't just Choosing for himself. Other Companions Choose one child over another partly because they are presumably the best suited Herald and Companion for each other, especially when you have multiple children being Chosen at once. Rolan, on the other hand, had to Chose someone who was also compatible with Selanay, Elspeth, and for the unique demands of being the Monarch's Own. Now, one could argue that Rolan's personality is such that he is also the most compatible, personality-wise, for someone who could be the Monarch's Own, but he is still also Choosing on behalf of the King/Queen and the Heir, so the bond may also be different because of that. Starshadow writes: >... one thing that i don't understand is that in AoQ when they >are asking Talia if she wants the job, they mention that the job of the >Monarch's Own Herald was the most dangerous of all the heraldic positions. >If this is the case doesn't it seem likely that the Companion would be less >likely to survive. I mean if more dangerous stuff happens to the MO then >it would make sense that the MOC would face a lot of danger as well. Just >a thought. Then again, the kinds of dangers that the Monarch's Own faces may not be the kind of dangers that the Companion would be involved in: Talamir was probably poisoned, for instance, and when the Blues threw Talia in the river, they were pretty careful to wait for a point when Rolan *wasn’t* around. On the other hand, I wonder why no one ever tried to poison *Rolan*. Perhaps non-Heralds, even non-Heralds in Valdemar, don't realize the importance of the bond. Or perhaps they did try and Rolan just avoided it and didn’t bother worrying his newly-Chosen about it because he could take care if it without her help anyway. Layla _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 16:59:17 EST From: RachaelPoet-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Website URLs. Message-ID: <42.129f77be.27f115b5-+AT+-aol.com> I myself would like to hear more about Nyara and Skif....they seemed like such an interesting pair, and then when you add Need into the mix....well, it would just be interesting to hear how they handle all of Nyara's troubles and such.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:14:53 From: "Janos Bornemisza" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Website URLs. Message-ID: >From: RachaelPoet-+AT+-aol.com >I myself would like to hear more about Nyara and Skif....they seemed like >such an interesting pair, and then when you add Need into the mix....well, >it >would just be interesting to hear how they handle all of Nyara's >troubles >and such.... I agree. We never did really find out what happened to those two - we see Skiff briefly in Storm Warning but they just drop out of sight after that, some mention of where they are but no _details_. I think this is a shame since they really do make an interesting pair. A note about Albrecht (sp?) and his choosing etc - Apparently there is short story of his actual choosing in the "Werehunter" collection. I havn't seen it myself but I have it on good authority (and the other short stories are also good aparently). Just a thought, Janos B _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:18:53 -0600 From: "Misty's Secretary" To: Subject: Re: Website URLs. Message-ID: The Skif book, that of many titles, but undoubtedly with "thief" in there somewhere is on Schedule, as is Al to tell the truth :-) Skif at time of writing is only 7 chapters long, so there's a way to go just yet. I probably shouldn't tell you that - I bet someone starts timing poor Misty :-) Anyway, so far it's progressing. The other book is scheduled later, probably next year. I'm guessing a little, as Misty has a "to do" list, most of it under contract a mile long - but that's one of them. > It's my understanding that the Skif and Alberich books have been put on the > back burner.. Which is really unfortunate, I, personally, would like to read > the background on Alberich, see Karse before the revolution and so on and so > forth.. Talia mentions that you rarely see Alberich's companion.. It would > be kind of nice to get a feel for the companion's personality. (Kantor was > his name? I don't remember.. too long since I've read the books) > > As to the colligium books.. I think they could be interesting.. It all > depends on when they're set.. ^_^ Imagine being in the colligium at the > start of the Hardorn war? Or during the mage wars? Finding out you're a mage > and having the world turn upside down? Or if it's set after the treaty with > Hardorn, Misty could reveal what's going on in the world. The collegium books would in my personal opinion be very interesting, and it's not a new idea to consider a student's eye point of view of the collegium. This concept is an integral part of quite a few of the valdemar books. However, with all due respect to J K Rowling, I think people would accuse Misty of duplicating an idea if she set a series there. I can't say it will never happen, but at the moment it's on permanent hold. Paul ------------------------------ Date: 27 Mar 2001 00:23:48 -0000 From: "~*~ Ciara ~*~" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Website URLs. Message-ID: <20010327002348.13751.qmail-+AT+-fancyfeast.chek.com> Does anyone think it would be kind of intersting if there were books focusing on the other Colliga? Bardic and Healers? You hear a bit more about Healers in BB, but it's kind odd that bardic is such a mystery. . .It would be intersting to compare a life of a tranniee to hearld book to a bardic tranniee to full bard. . .Anyone think so? I think in the talia books the most is learned about the Healers, although in the vanyel books you also hear a bit about Bards. . .what you you guys think? ~*~ Ciara ~*~ ________________________________________________________________ Get Free Anime Email, News, Links, Forums and Shopping at http://www.AnimeNation.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 00:43:43 -0000 From: "Molly McAllister" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Website URLs. Message-ID: Heyla list-sibs, > >From: RachaelPoet-+AT+-aol.com > >I myself would like to hear more about Nyara and Skif....they seemed like > >such an interesting pair, and then when you add Need into the >mix....well, > >it > >would just be interesting to hear how they handle all of Nyara's > >troubles > >and such.... > I am going to warn that I am talking about Storm BReaking, even though it came out on peper back two years ago, just in case: S P O I L E R In Storm Breaking, Need dies during the activation of the weapon, along with the Avatars and Vanyel's ghost, so NEed wouldn't be in the picture, however, I would like to find out more about how Skif and Nyara worked out. E N D S P O I L E R Janos writes: >A note about Albrecht (sp?) and his choosing etc - Apparently there is >short story of his actual choosing in the "Werehunter" collection. I havn't >seen it myself but I have it on good authority Yes, the story is in Werehunter, it is called Stolen Silver, and it is pretty good, but it doesn't really go into any real depth at all and there is still plenty of stuff that you could write a book about. This story is also in one of the Horse Fantastic Anthologies, although I can't recall which one right now, Sorry. Have a wonderful day all, and special chocolate sheep to everyone because it is such a gorgeous day (where I am anyway) Starshadow ducks as a sheep comes flying towards her. Lightsong! How can I help it if you live where it is cold and icky and I live where it is nice and sunny. Starshadow runs for her dear life as more sheep start flying. WTTW Starshadow* She'enedra to Lightsong Royal Denfender of the Brat _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:44:18 EST From: MDennis460-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Homepage Message-ID: --part1_a2.12063999.27f13c62_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is my understanding that misty's highflight web site has been down for a while and undergoing total revamping and overhauling, and may be sometime before it is up and running. I looked for highflight website sometime ago and like you wasn't able to find it and then checked with the people at firebird arts and music, and saw on that LISTSERV the above news. Hope this helps. I'm curious to see what the new website looks like. --part1_a2.12063999.27f13c62_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is my understanding that misty's highflight web site has been  down for a
while and undergoing total revamping and overhauling, and may be sometime
before it is up and running.  

I looked for highflight website sometime ago and like you wasn't able to find
it and then checked with the people at firebird arts and music, and saw on
that LISTSERV the above news.  

Hope this helps.  I'm curious to see what the new website looks like. --part1_a2.12063999.27f13c62_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:47:37 EST From: Natetoact-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Looked-forward to.... Message-ID: --part1_ce.12864de9.27f13d29_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is going to sound trite, but I think I'm ready for new characters, personally.... I mean, love all the chars already, but many of them are supporting characters. Now, I'm an actor, and to me, that means that you can steal a scene, but you can't steal the whole durned play... They may be vitally important, and very beloved characters... but they are also the staple of the Misty library... would some of them be so interesting if they were thrust into the limelight? Alberich, I would be very intereseted in.. at least, hi history... but otherwise, I say we need new blood in the current time-frame. or even a time jump... trasition is cool, but I'm also looking forward to everything new to valdemar to become mundane, so we can see what else develops. enough of my ranting, and thanks for reading! Nathyn "Oh, well. She's dead. Let's move on, shall we?"- Willy Wonka --part1_ce.12864de9.27f13d29_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is going to sound trite, but I think I'm ready for new characters,
personally....
I mean, love all the chars already, but many of them are supporting
characters. Now, I'm an actor, and to me, that means that you can steal a
scene, but you can't steal the whole durned play... They may be vitally
important, and very beloved characters... but they are also the staple of the
Misty library... would some of them be so interesting if they were thrust
into the limelight? Alberich, I would be very intereseted in.. at least, hi
history... but otherwise, I say we need new blood in the current time-frame.
or even a time jump... trasition is cool, but I'm also looking forward to
everything new to valdemar to become mundane, so we can see what else
develops.

enough of my ranting, and thanks for reading!
            Nathyn

"Oh, well. She's dead. Let's move on, shall we?"- Willy Wonka --part1_ce.12864de9.27f13d29_boundary-- ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2552 **********************************