MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2578 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Bad Bard? by Kasebones-+AT+-cs.com 2) Re: Bardic gift? by "Layla Voll" 3) RE: Bardic gift? by "Howell, Tommy" 4) Re: Bad Bard? by "Li'nia Stormdancer" 5) Re: Bad Bard? by "mark the tax zombie" 6) Re: Bardic Gift/Griffon/Bob Dylan by troll-+AT+-netcomuk.co.uk 7) Companions by RachaelPoet-+AT+-aol.com 8) Re: Bardic Gift/Griffon/Bob Dylan by Scott 9) Re: Companions by "M'lady Silver" 10) Re: Companions by B10nd31-+AT+-aol.com 11) Re: Companions (Randale, Shavri, Jisa) by Ilaria1431-+AT+-aol.com 12) Re: Companions by Christie Maas 13) RE: Companions and Owlsight Observation. by "Robert Martin" 14) Re: Companions by "kristy hibbitt" 15) Re: Owlsight disease by Elizabeth Hoffman 16) RE: Owlsight disease by "Robert Martin" 17) RE: Companions and Owlsight Observation. by Meiki Rose 18) Re: Bad Bard? by "~*~ Ciara ~*~" 19) Re: Companions by "~*~ Ciara ~*~" 20) Re: Companions (Randale, Shavri, Jisa) by "~*~ Ciara ~*~" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:07:45 EDT From: Kasebones-+AT+-cs.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Bad Bard? Message-ID: <103.236d1ce.28174521-+AT+-cs.com> I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but couldn't the Bardic Gift be used for less-than-nice purposes? If I remember correctly, Mornelith Falconsbane, (Winds) used tocollect people with unusual talents, so he could use them as he pleased. Wouldn't he have loved to have controlled a bard so the could therefore have controlled and influenced people without the less obvious magic? And what if you had just a not-so-nice bard? Honesty and integrety don't come w/ the bardic job description like heralds do. It would be chaos to have a bard, with full bardic powers running around the countryside and doing whatever he/she's doing (bad things). Sorry if someone's said all this already, but Ididn't remember it. > So what happens if you have the Bardic Gift without the other two, > what happens then? Do they let you stumble around on your own, or do > they admit you for training because uncontrolled gifts are dangerous > even though you don't meet all the criteria? I'd assume that they'd try to give you some control, you couldn't be let loose w/ no idea what your doing. Like any other gift, this one has to have some consequences. Vanyel went "wacko" when his mage gift was activated, and talia caused some trouble with her untrained empathy. Misty hasn't really mentioned it, but it would be odd if the Bardic Gift was the only one without consequences for the untrained. Just wondering. Therefore, woldn't the bardic collegium give some minor training, and - hey!! they could start a whole new industry with professional speakers to proclaim proclamations or to try and pursuade the public. They don't seem to focus much on the performing arts other than music, but the BArdic gift would be helpful in almost all of their areas. And, what is the "Heraldic Gift"? Is it just something that attracts a companion to you, or does it do something else? any special powers? mindspeak w/ companions? And if it attracts companions, that means there is no chance for those born w/o the gift to become Heralds. what would happen if you could litera;lly identify future heralds at birth? a few remarks~ kc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 21:21:47 From: "Layla Voll" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Bardic gift? Message-ID: Cariad writes: >Delurking to ask a question that's been in the back of my mind for a while, >and I don't think I've ever posted it to the list. What would happen if >someone was Gifted with the Bardic Gift, but they had no musical performing >talent? If, for example, they were tone-deaf and couldn't carry a tune in a >paper bag? My sense, as I think others have said, is that a Gift will find an outlet regardless of the circumstances. If someone with a Bardic Gift cripples their hand, for instance, I imagine they would sing. If they were born deaf, I imagine (as Tristaan said) that they would turn to rhythm. I wonder, for instance, if a Bardic Gift might not be channeled into dance. If you had no sense of rhythm, I do also think (as Kenzie and Lorna suggested) that you would be able to captivate an audience with your speaking voice, which could be immensely useful for a diplomat, or a military commander. (I notice that Griffon, whose eloquence is praised by Teren, ends up as the Lord Martial's Herald.) Whether the Bardic Collegium is flexible enough to allow any of that is another question, and I would suspect that they aren't. I do also think that it is possible for a Bardic Gift to be harmful, potentially if it were too strong. An untrained person with a strong Gift might be overwhelmed by the audience's emotional feedback, or might project their own emotions too strongly: instead of projecting sorrow, one might project crippling grief. Which leads me to something that I've been wondering: is it possible to shield a Bardic Gift? If you wanted to avoid overwhelming your audience, for instance, or, less dramatically, if you just wanted to gauge audience response to a song you'd composed without the help of your Gift. Ambermoon (and others) comment: >On that note, it's interesting that both Healer's and Bardic Gifts are >empathic, but still the Heralds have no idea what to do with Talia. Yes, it's odd that the Heralds fall down as badly as they do with Talia. If I recall Arrows of the Queen correctly, Keren and Ylsa discover that Talia Gift is Empathy; Keren asks Talia if she wants lessons, and Talia begs off -- and the entire thing is promptly forgotten. Keren apparently neglects to tell Elcarth, and Ylsa apparently forgets altogether, because in Talia's Gifts class (co-taught by Ylsa), they have to discover that her Gift is Empathy all over again. Talia spends great amounts of time with the Healers, and the comment later in Arrows Flight is that each group, the Heralds and the Healers, assumed the other was taking care of teaching her, but yet the Healer that Talia runs into in Arrows Flight recognizes immediately that her Gift is untrained. Which means that there were any number of people from the Bardic and Healers collegia at court whose job was to analyse children with untrained and unexpressed Gifts, who completely missed what this field Healer (you know, like a field Herald, but a Healer) picked up immediately. And, while Talia's Gift is supposed to be unusual, surely it isn't that unusual for the Queen's Own: Keren says that Talamir also used to go to the King or Queen and just sense the right words to say. While it may have been a while since the Collegium last trained a Monarch's Own, one would think it was important enough that someone might have left notes, especially since the study of Gifts appears to be a very active scholarly field. Finally, given that there seem to be a number of Heralds we've run into with some slight Bardic Gifts (like Jadus), it seems odd for the Collegium to be insisting that Empathic Gifts are so rare for Heralds. Layla _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:35:01 -0500 From: "Howell, Tommy" To: "'mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk'" Subject: RE: Bardic gift? Message-ID: <5BA8DB8D54C4D3119956009027DE50C603FE3350-+AT+-tdmnmail.tdmn.belo.com> Someone asked about the "heraldic gift" which, to me, is the broad category of "mind magic". It is not "Mage gift" although they can be mage gifted also. It's almost like once "they" discovered "non-healer empathy" was a suitable heraldic gift, they started popping up in Chosen, such as Keisha's sister, Shandi. -----Original Message----- the study of Gifts appears to be a very active scholarly field. Finally, given that there seem to be a number of Heralds we've run into with some slight Bardic Gifts (like Jadus), it seems odd for the Collegium to be insisting that Empathic Gifts are so rare for Heralds. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 14:48:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "Li'nia Stormdancer" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Bad Bard? Message-ID: <20010424214855.3281.qmail-+AT+-web1206.mail.yahoo.com> Heyla List-Sibs! --- Kasebones-+AT+-cs.com wrote: > I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but > couldn't the Bardic Gift be used for less-than-nice >purposes? I'd assume that they'd try to give >you some control, you couldn't be let loose w/ no >idea what your doing. Like any other gift, this one >has to have some consequences. Vanyel went "wacko" >when his mage gift was activated, and talia caused >some trouble with her untrained empathy. The problem with Vanyel was corrected as soon as they could, though. He didn't really go "wacko"; all his channels were blasted open at the same time, though. In some Heralds, their Gifts may manifest at different times. One could start out with, say, Fetching and MindSpeech, and only years later would a Gift for, say, FarSight manifest. And the problem with Talia was that she wasn't properly trained. Empathy was usually associated more with Healers, but she was a Herald, so there was a bit of a break-down in communications between the two Schools (IIRC). And she had to be careful how she used her Gift, and double-check her morals/ethics when using it. That was the case with that one man she forced an "emotional loop" on (IIRC, he was a rapist). She was questioned by other Heralds on her decision, though; however, they found her judgement to be sound. I think the Bardic Gift could be used for less-than-honest means, but I think it would be picked up on before too long, by either other Heralds/Companions or by other Bards, who'd recognize use of the Gift. > And, what is the "Heraldic Gift"? Is it just > something that attracts a companion to you, or does >it do something else? any special powers? mindspeak > w/ companions? And if it attracts companions, that > means there is no chance for those born w/o the gift >to become Heralds. what would happen if you > could litera;lly identify future heralds at birth? I think it is what draws a Companion to a certain person. I don't think it gives any special Gifts to a person; if that were the case, Talia should have been given MindSpeech with Rolan, considering the tasks they had to perform. And I think it is like any other Gift; it has to manifest in its own time. Which is why I think there is such an age difference amongst Herald Trainees. It certainly is more common than the other Gifts, as all Heralds must have it, whereas there is a huge difference amongst them regarding their own personal Gifts. However, I think Companions can recognize the potential somehow, since, IIRC, there were some comments about Heralds keeping their eyes on certain younsters in the future... Well, that's just my two-cents! ===== ---<---<---<----+AT+- Li'nia Stormdancer -+AT+---->--->--->--- Peon to the Powers That Be, Goddess of All Things Possessed, & Caretaker of the Arena of Discussion and Dissention __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:05:24 -0500 From: "mark the tax zombie" To: Subject: Re: Bad Bard? Message-ID: <001601c0ccf9$e74bc740$2ec7e4d8-+AT+-MarkSeverson> wrote: > I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but couldn't the Bardic Gift be > used for less-than-nice purposes? If I remember correctly, Mornelith > Falconsbane, (Winds) used tocollect people with unusual talents, so he could > use them as he pleased. Wouldn't he have loved to have controlled a bard so > the could therefore have controlled and influenced people without the less > obvious magic? And what if you had just a not-so-nice bard? Honesty and > integrety don't come w/ the bardic job description like heralds do. It would > be chaos to have a bard, with full bardic powers running around the > countryside and doing whatever he/she's doing (bad things). Sorry if > someone's said all this already, but I didn't remember it. > I suspect that others from the bardic college would hunt such an individual down, at least if they tried to use their powers in Vladimir. Such a person would be considered an abomination by the bardic college, I suspect they would at a minimum capture the person and have a healer permanently block his/her powers. Also I wonder if the Verondi might not get involved. (Thinking per Storm here - at least I believe that's the right time, sorry been a while since I read the series.) For aren't the bardic gifts another power? > > And, what is the "Heraldic Gift"? Is it just something that attracts a companion to you, > or does it do something else? any special powers? mindspeak w/ companions? And if it > attracts companions, that means there is no chance for those born w/o the gift to > become Heralds. what would happen if you could literally identify future heralds at > birth? > As for the Heraldic Gift - remember that "the brat" did not display here gift until she was in her teens so there was no way to identify her "at birth". The gift is - IMHO a mixture of things, one of which is that the person must be, at their core - a good soul. I.E. a person who wishes to help others, has no room for true evil intent. This is not to say everyone else has a little corner of evil lurking in them. For besides this "pureness" (for lack of a better term) they must also manifest some kind of special ability. I vaguely recall reading that ALL the heralds were able to use the "truth spell", so they all have some minor, in some cases very minor ability, but it is an ability. Well that's my two cents. Rusty as my reasoning my be. It appears it's time to reread the books. Not an unpleasant task. mttz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 23:02:37 +0100 From: troll-+AT+-netcomuk.co.uk To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Bardic Gift/Griffon/Bob Dylan Message-ID: <200142423625341-+AT+-netcomuk.co.uk> Re Layla's comment on misuse of Bardic Gifts: Yes, they can be misused. We have proof of this from LHM, when Vanyel lectures someone (I think Medren but possibly Stefen - can't find textevd at the moment, seeing as I'm partway through the quarterly reorganising of bookshelves and my entire ML collection are at the bottom of a stack of 300 other books on the floor)about the dangers of using the Gift for personal gain and how it can be removed if misused. Re Layla on Griffon: I'd always assumed that Griffon got the job as Lord Marshal's Herald because of his defeat of Ancar's first lot of demon-summoners in MPrice - that kind of military-liaison position being a suitable "promotion" for someone with an offensive Gift like his Firestarting. But the eloquence works too. Perhaps the Circle took both into account when giving him the job? Re Cennydd: Thank you! I've been saying that for years. I actually like a great deal of Dylan's *songs* - but only when sung by other people. Troll shall drop back into lurkdom now...new term of evening classes started today, which combined with fulltime job will keep me busier again for a while. Got my grades for last term back though - 92% in Unix, 94%s in C and Visual Basic, and 98% in HTML. Troll is happy. Now on to C++ and more advanced VB... Trollhugs and C++-shaped sheep to all, Muranog Shadowbane (.sig will return soon) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 21:42:53 EDT From: RachaelPoet-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Companions Message-ID: <83.a175b36.2817859d-+AT+-aol.com> --part1_83.a175b36.2817859d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey everyone! Ok, this might be kinda short but I've been wondering about it for quite awhile now. Can a person become a herald (a Companion choose them) without them having any kind of powers whatsoever? Rachael --part1_83.a175b36.2817859d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey everyone!
   Ok, this might be kinda short but I've been wondering about it for quite
awhile now. Can a person become a herald (a Companion choose them) without
them having any kind of powers whatsoever?
         Rachael --part1_83.a175b36.2817859d_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 22:59:08 -0700 From: Scott To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Bardic Gift/Griffon/Bob Dylan Message-ID: <3AE667AC.29DFDD4A-+AT+-cc.wwu.edu> troll-+AT+-netcomuk.co.uk wrote: > Re Layla's comment on misuse of Bardic Gifts: > Yes, they can be misused. We have proof of this from LHM, when Vanyel lectures someone > (I think Medren but possibly Stefen - can't find textevd at the moment, seeing as I'm partway > through the quarterly reorganising of bookshelves and my entire ML collection are at the bottom > of a stack of 300 other books on the floor)about the dangers of using the Gift for personal gain > and how it can be removed if misused. > Actually you were right with both, Vanyel lectures both Medren (2nd book) and Stephen (3rd book) on > Bardic responsibility. As to the bad bard, Valdemar certainly regulates their bards and Healers more than most areas. I remember a non-Valdemarian commenting on this. An evil bard would be an interesting character in either the Valdemar world or the Bardic Choices world. Rune and Talaysen have a discussion about the ethics of their Bardic magic also. Cheers! Scott, Man of Mystery (as in "What in the World is he doing now?") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 08:12:33 -0400 From: "M'lady Silver" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Companions Message-ID: <3AE6BF2F.5B1F8D4E-+AT+-uninet.net> RachaelPoet-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > --part1_83.a175b36.2817859d_boundary > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Hey everyone! > Ok, this might be kinda short but I've been wondering about it for quite > awhile now. Can a person become a herald (a Companion choose them) without > them having any kind of powers whatsoever? I recall a case back in LHM where the lifebonded of the king was chosen without any powers. Anyone want to help my memory a bit? -Kenzie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 08:59:06 EDT From: B10nd31-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Companions Message-ID: In a message dated 25/04/01 13:53:23 GMT Daylight Time, moonsilver-+AT+-uninet.net writes: << I recall a case back in LHM where the lifebonded of the king was chosen without any powers. Anyone want to help my memory a bit? -Kenzie >> well Shavel (sp) was a healer when she was chosen as monarch's own, she had empthy and i assume the gift of healing also irc there was a part in magic promise where she was mind speaking with Van. Shas ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:04:24 EDT From: Ilaria1431-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Companions (Randale, Shavri, Jisa) Message-ID: --part1_e.be4584d.28182558_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>>>I recall a case back in LHM where the lifebonded of the king was chosen without any powers. Anyone want to help my memory a bit? -Kenzie<<<< I believe you are referring to King Randale and his lifebonded, Shavri. She was Chosen by Taver as King's Own, but Vanyel performed all of her duties, as she was completely inept in those areas. She *did* have powers, though. She was a Healer, which was why Van and 'Fandes figured she was Chosen KO and not Vanyel---Randale was so sick. But that brings up a couple of other questions. One, how would Shavri being KO help Randale in his illness? Would it be the proximity to the king that the position would give to Shavri? Also, did it say what kind of bond Taver and Shavri had? It would be hard to imagine that it was anything like a normal Herald-Companion bond. I don't think that Shavri even *took* any classes at the Collegium, or went through any kind of Heraldic training. And on another note (okay, so this is getting WAY off the original topic :-), how did Van *know* that Jisa would be the next King's Own? WTTW, Herald Jacquelle "Why is that when you talk to God, you're praying, but when God talks to you, you're nuts?" Monica, Touched by an Angel --part1_e.be4584d.28182558_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>>>I recall a case back in LHM where the lifebonded of the king was chosen
without any powers.  Anyone
want to help my memory a bit?
-Kenzie<<<<

I believe you are referring to King Randale and his lifebonded, Shavri.  She
was Chosen by Taver as King's Own, but Vanyel performed all of her duties, as
she was completely inept in those areas.  She *did* have powers, though.  She
was a Healer, which was why Van and 'Fandes figured she was Chosen KO and not
Vanyel---Randale was so sick.

But that brings up a couple of other questions.  One, how would Shavri being
KO help Randale in his illness?  Would it be the proximity to the king that
the position would give to Shavri?  Also, did it say what kind of bond Taver
and Shavri had?  It would be hard to imagine that it was anything like a
normal Herald-Companion bond.  I don't think that Shavri even *took* any
classes at the Collegium, or went through any kind of Heraldic training.

And on another note (okay, so this is getting WAY off the original topic :-),
how did Van *know* that Jisa would be the next King's Own?

WTTW,

Herald Jacquelle

"Why is that when you talk to God, you're praying, but when God talks to you,
you're nuts?"  Monica, Touched by an Angel --part1_e.be4584d.28182558_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:12:31 +0200 (CEST) From: Christie Maas To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Companions Message-ID: <200104251312.PAA17208-+AT+-ch.twi.tudelft.nl> hi,> > > RachaelPoet-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > > > Ok, this might be kinda short but I've been wondering about it for quite > > awhile now. Can a person become a herald (a Companion choose them) without > > them having any kind of powers whatsoever? > > I recall a case back in LHM where the lifebonded of the king was chosen without any powers. Anyone > want to help my memory a bit? > the lifebonded of the king had no herald-gifts, but was a healer, because randale(the king) became (very) sick. i think they just choose prudently... greetz, christie. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:16:57 -0400 From: "Robert Martin" To: Subject: RE: Companions and Owlsight Observation. Message-ID: <000001c0cd8a$020a8a40$7201a8c0-+AT+-rmartin1> > > Hey everyone! > > Ok, this might be kinda short but I've been wondering > about it for quite > > awhile now. Can a person become a herald (a Companion > choose them) without > > them having any kind of powers whatsoever? > > I recall a case back in LHM where the lifebonded of the > king was chosen without any powers. Anyone > want to help my memory a bit? I'm not sure that is the case. If you're thinking of Randal and his lifebonded, she was Chosen, not because she had mind-magic, but because she was a strong healer. She needed to be able to pain-block Randal enough so that he could function as the monarch. On another note: I've been thining a bit about the Summer Fever and the Wasting Sickness that plagued Ghost Cat and the other tribes of the north. Keisha's evalutation of it during her healing trance sounded very familiar to me. Recent events in my church brought to mind the disease Viral Menengitis. For those of you who don't know, menengitis is a disease that attacks the coating that protects the nerves of the human body, the menegis. Menengitis is an inflamation of that coating that, if left untreated, can cause paralysis, loss of function, and even death. Bacterial menengitis can be treated with antibiotics and other treatments and, if caught early enough, can be kept from causing permanent damage. Viral menengitis hits so hard and so fast, there is no immediate cure and the only thing doctors can do is keep the suffering and damage to a minimum which, at best, is paralysis. To me, it seems that the two forms of the Fever are the viral form and the bacterial form of menengitis. Anyone of the medical field care to comment? Just a thought. Tristaan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:38:23 +0800 From: "kristy hibbitt" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Companions Message-ID: Sorry if this is short but in Vanyel's time didn't Randal not have any powers and he was a king and neither did his lover Elspeth. I can't remember if Elspeth had any gifts or powers or not but i know that Randal didn't and he was very sick. Stefan would play for him to try to heal him. is this in relation to what you were asking nerika >From: "M'lady Silver" >Reply-To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk >To: nerika_99-+AT+-hotmail.com >Subject: Re: Companions >Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 13:52:42 +0100 (BST) > >RachaelPoet-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > > > --part1_83.a175b36.2817859d_boundary > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > Hey everyone! > > Ok, this might be kinda short but I've been wondering about it for >quite > > awhile now. Can a person become a herald (a Companion choose them) >without > > them having any kind of powers whatsoever? > > I recall a case back in LHM where the lifebonded of the king was >chosen without any powers. Anyone >want to help my memory a bit? >-Kenzie > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 16:53:07 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) From: Elizabeth Hoffman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Owlsight disease Message-ID: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been thining a bit about the Summer Fever and the > Wasting Sickness that plagued Ghost Cat and the other > tribes of the north. Viral menengitis hits > so hard and so fast, there is no immediate cure and the > only thing doctors can do is keep the suffering and damage > to a minimum which, at best, is paralysis. > > To me, it seems that the two forms of the Fever are the > viral form and the bacterial form of menengitis. Anyone of > the medical field care to comment? > My knowledge is a bit rusty now, I did a masters in virology about 4/5 years ago and got out of the field fast so I may be a bit wrong. I don't think that it would be meningitis as the patterns aren't quite right. I've put the explanation at the bottom. But I think you're on the right track, how about polio for the wasting sickness as this spreads through the blood before it gets to the brain, though thats not quite right. Basically theres a barrier between the blood and the brain that blocks infections and the immune system from getting in. Meningitis and encephalitis happen when something damages this barrier and then you get damage from the infection and damage because the immune system causes inflammation (like you'd get round an insect bite) only the skull doesn't give so the brain gets squashed. If I've remembered rightly Keisha was talking about bug everywhere as a major problem, meningitis would have been cured by just getting it out the brain and forget the rest of the body. ---------------------- Liz Hoffman E.G.Hoffman-+AT+-soton.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:22:09 -0400 From: "Robert Martin" To: Subject: RE: Owlsight disease Message-ID: <000001c0cda3$e0ebd890$7201a8c0-+AT+-rmartin1> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My knowledge is a bit rusty now, I did a masters in > virology about 4/5 years ago and got out of the field fast > so I may be a bit wrong. I don't think that it would be > meningitis as the patterns aren't quite right. I've put > the explanation at the bottom. But I think you're on the > right track, how about polio for the wasting sickness as > this spreads through the blood before it gets to the brain, > though thats not quite right. Could be polio...although I got the impression that the wasting sickness was a direct result of the summer fever. Does polio start with a fever, too? > If I've remembered rightly Keisha was talking about bug > everywhere as a major problem, meningitis would have been > cured by just getting it out the brain and forget the rest > of the body. I'm not sure that's the impression I got. When she was caught in that healing trance for the chief's son, she was specifically focusing her healing on the nervous system, specifically the "nerve trunk" as I believe she called it. When she "checked" the blood and other internal organs, she didn't find anything. She only found the "black" infection in the nervous system. I'd have to look it up. I've only read that passage once so I may be misremembering. Tristaan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:45:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Meiki Rose To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: RE: Companions and Owlsight Observation. Message-ID: <20010425194537.23130.qmail-+AT+-web1002.mail.yahoo.com> Ok - so up until now I have only been lurking.... I am 31, mother of 2, a MD doing my Emergency Medicine Residency. I started reading ML in high school and have nearly all of her books. The first was Talia's series. > To answer the question: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been thining a bit about the Summer Fever and > the Wasting Sickness that > plagued Ghost Cat and the other tribes of the north. > Keisha's evalutation > of it during her healing trance sounded very > familiar to me. Recent events > in my church brought to mind the disease Viral > Menengitis. For those of you > who don't know, menengitis is a disease that attacks > the coating that > protects the nerves of the human body, the menegis. > Menengitis is an > inflamation of that coating that, if left untreated, > can cause paralysis, > loss of function, and even death. Bacterial > menengitis can be treated with > antibiotics and other treatments and, if caught > early enough, can be kept > from causing permanent damage. Viral menengitis > hits so hard and so fast, > there is no immediate cure and the only thing > doctors can do is keep the > suffering and damage to a minimum which, at best, is > paralysis. WRONG: Viral meningitis is more contagious, but RARELY causes any permanent damage. Antibiotics work for bacterial, and it is more aggressive (you get sicker faster); viral is more insidious. You need to treat the contact exposures of bacterial meningitis, but not the viral ones. The only viral meningitis/encephalitis that is treated is usually herpes -- also very rare. Bacterial meningitis even if treated can still cause permanent damage, like paralysis or deafness. Viral meningitis does not even need to be admitted to the hospital. Bacterial does. Just to clear a few things up. The illness that the "summer fever" reminds me of is polio -- a disease that is viral, very contageous, and can cause either permanent damage (paralysis), death or menigitis. And it was also a disease that attacked "tribal" individuals (ie Native Americans). And it also was an ascending infection of the nerves. Sorry for preaching Meiki Rose, M.D. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: 25 Apr 2001 19:59:08 -0000 From: "~*~ Ciara ~*~" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Bad Bard? Message-ID: <20010425195908.2910.qmail-+AT+-viebrock.chek.com> Magic's Pawn Spoiler space >The problem with Vanyel was corrected as soon as they >could, though. He didn't really go "wacko"; all his >channels were blasted open at the same time, though. Yeah he did, he was in such a state at first that the healers had to keep him drugged to repair his body, but his gift didn't actually get trained until Savil decided to take him to teh taylendras (an idea of Donni's) And he did cause discomfort like Talia, remember when he had a nightmare and Mardic tried to mindtouch him awake, and he threw him against the wall (with his un trained gift) and shook teh foundation of the building? ANYWAY, sorry if I sounded snotty. . .I just re-read it and it kinda sounds snotty to me. . .:( Un-snotty sheep to all ________________________________________________________________ Get Free Anime Email, News, Links, Forums and Shopping at http://www.AnimeNation.com ------------------------------ Date: 25 Apr 2001 19:55:14 -0000 From: "~*~ Ciara ~*~" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Companions Message-ID: <20010425195514.23862.qmail-+AT+-ninelives.chek.com> > > I recall a case back in LHM where the lifebonded of the king was chosen without any powers. Anyone >want to help my memory a bit? >-Kenzie > I thought it was Randale;s lifebonded, Sharvi a healer, who was chosen because he was suposed to die and the Companions knew? ________________________________________________________________ Get Free Anime Email, News, Links, Forums and Shopping at http://www.AnimeNation.com ------------------------------ Date: 25 Apr 2001 20:04:41 -0000 From: "~*~ Ciara ~*~" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Companions (Randale, Shavri, Jisa) Message-ID: <20010425200441.9842.qmail-+AT+-meowmix.chek.com> >how did Van *know* that Jisa would be the next King's Own? > He asked yfandes when she was a chlid (Jisa) and she told him that when she was to be chosen it would be by taver AFTER Sharvi died >But that brings up a couple of other questions.  One, how would Shavri being >
KO help Randale in his illness? Because she was lifebonded to him, and she was able to open an unrestricted channel between them so he could live longer (it's explained in magic's Price) ________________________________________________________________ Get Free Anime Email, News, Links, Forums and Shopping at http://www.AnimeNation.com ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2578 **********************************