MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2579 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Companions by "~*~ Ciara ~*~" 2) Re: Companions (Randale, Shavri, Jisa) by Ilaria1431-+AT+-aol.com 3) Gifts by Abby Normal 4) Re:MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 2578 by "Darkling" 5) Re: Gifts by Erik T Foxvog 6) Re: Gifts, and Monarch's Own (Jisa) by "Layla Voll" 7) by "kristy hibbitt" 8) RE: Gifts, and Monarch's Own (Jisa) by "Howell, Tommy" 9) Re: Gifts, and Monarch's Own (Jisa) by "Li'nia Stormdancer" 10) Re: Mind Magic by "Li'nia Stormdancer" 11) Re: Gifts, and Monarch's Own (Jisa) by Ilaria1431-+AT+-aol.com 12) RE: Gifts, and Monarch's Own (Jisa) by "Layla Voll" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 25 Apr 2001 20:07:49 -0000 From: "~*~ Ciara ~*~" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Companions Message-ID: <20010425200749.10152.qmail-+AT+-meowmix.chek.com> wrote: >Sorry if this is short but in Vanyel's time didn't Randal not have any >powers and he was a king and neither did his lover Elspeth. I can't remember >if Elspeth had any gifts or powers or not but i know that Randal didn't and >he was very sick. Stefan would play for him to try to heal him. is this in >relation to what you were asking >nerika EWWW (sorry) Elsbeth was his grandmother!!!!! I'm reading that book now actually. . .But you're right Randal wasn't mentioned at having any gifts, and Stefen could sing pain away, it was how they discovered pain blocking ________________________________________________________________ Get Free Anime Email, News, Links, Forums and Shopping at http://www.AnimeNation.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 16:41:32 EDT From: Ilaria1431-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Companions (Randale, Shavri, Jisa) Message-ID: --part1_cb.104dfe72.2818907c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>But that brings up a couple of other questions.  One, how would Shavri >being > >>KO help Randale in his illness? >Because she was lifebonded to him, and she was able to open an unrestricted > channel between them so he could live longer (it's explained in magic's Price) True, but she didn't need to be Chosen King's Own to open up an unrestricted channel to him, did she? She could do that through her lifebond with him, I always thought. >>>>>how did Van *know* that Jisa would be the next King's Own? > He asked yfandes when she was a chlid (Jisa) and she told him that when she was to be chosen it would be by taver AFTER Sharvi died<<<< Really??? I don't remember that, but it's been a LONG time since I've read the books. I'll have to dredge up a copy and re-read it. Herald Jacquelle "Why is that when you talk to God, you're praying, but when God talks to you, you're nuts?" Monica, Touched by an Angel --part1_cb.104dfe72.2818907c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>But that brings up a couple of other questions. &nbsp;One, how would Shavri
>being
>
>>KO help Randale in his illness?
>Because she was lifebonded to him, and she was able to open an unrestricted >
channel between them so he could live longer (it's explained in magic's Price)


True, but she didn't need to be Chosen King's Own to open up an unrestricted
channel to him, did she?  She could do that through her lifebond with him, I
always thought.

>>>>>how did Van *know* that Jisa would be the next King's Own?
>

He asked yfandes when she was a chlid (Jisa) and she told him that when she
was to be chosen it would be by taver AFTER Sharvi died<<<<


Really???  I don't remember that, but it's been a LONG time since I've read
the books.  I'll have to dredge up a copy and re-read it.

Herald Jacquelle

"Why is that when you talk to God, you're praying, but when God talks to you,
you're nuts?"  Monica, Touched by an Angel --part1_cb.104dfe72.2818907c_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:13:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Abby Normal To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Gifts Message-ID: <20010425221320.52551.qmail-+AT+-web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Heyla, If a person appears to be misusing the Bardic Gift, they are first warned, and if the offense is repeated, the Master Bards block off said person's Gift. This is explained to Medren by Vanyel in MPromise; I'm sorry I don't have the textevd as my books are currently out on loan. I believe somewhere in AotQ Talia is told (by either Keren or Ylsa) that Choosing tends to bring out latent Gifts that otherwise would not manifest themselves. Interesting, as this would indicate that everyone has mind magic potential. And speaking of monarchs' lifebonded, what Gifts does Selenay's husband (second one) show up with after Jasen Chooses him? 2 1/2 weeks left till the end of term. Fluffy good -weather sheep to all who need them. Ambermoon Singer of Fire Royal Defender of the Brat __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: 26 Apr 2001 01:45:00 -0000 From: "Darkling" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re:MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 2578 Message-ID: <20010426014500.27949.qmail-+AT+-purina.chek.com> "they could start a whole new industry with professional speakers to proclaim proclamations or to try and pursuade the public" ~delurks for a one-liner~ Wouldn't that be unethical use of the Bardic Gift, the way gently nudging politicians would be unethical use of Talia's Empathy? -Gail _________________________________________________________________ Signup for you FREE Bored.Com email account at http://www.bored.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:09:44 -0700 From: Erik T Foxvog To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Gifts Message-ID: <20010425.210954.-3870461.1.efoxvog-+AT+-juno.com> Hay all, Look at this, I unlurk for the roll call and now I'm even answering other notes. Changes must be in the air......... I just wanted to drop a note to say that Vanyel also explained it to Stef. The topic came about over the amber amulet that Stef gifted to Vanyel. Van knew it was more that Stef could afford and questioned him on it. Stef had mentioned that he used his gift for a gem merchant and after Van's explanation was worried that he crossed the line, but had only used the gift to "relax" everyone and did not use it to "coerce" anyone to buy. I hope I got it right. Maybe it's time for another reread! Tomato soup flavored sheep to all (that's what's for dinner tonight). Erik. On Wed, 25 Apr 2001 23:32:39 +0100 (BST) Abby Normal writes: > Heyla, > > If a person appears to be misusing the Bardic > Gift, they are first warned, and if the offense is > repeated, the Master Bards block off said person's > Gift. This is explained to Medren by Vanyel in > MPromise; I'm sorry I don't have the textevd as my > books are currently out on loan. > > I believe somewhere in AotQ Talia is told (by > either Keren or Ylsa) that Choosing tends to bring out > latent Gifts that otherwise would not manifest > themselves. Interesting, as this would indicate that > everyone has mind magic potential. And speaking of > monarchs' lifebonded, what Gifts does Selenay's > husband (second one) show up with after Jasen Chooses > him? > > 2 1/2 weeks left till the end of term. Fluffy > good -weather sheep to all who need them. > > Ambermoon > Singer of Fire > Royal Defender of the Brat > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 14:05:12 From: "Layla Voll" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Gifts, and Monarch's Own (Jisa) Message-ID: Ambermoon writes: >I believe somewhere in AotQ Talia is told (by >either Keren or Ylsa) that Choosing tends to bring out >latent Gifts that otherwise would not manifest >themselves. Interesting, as this would indicate that >everyone has mind magic potential. I actually think that they say as much in Talia's Gift Orientation class: that everyone has some degree of mind magic potential, but most people never activate it. >And speaking of monarchs' lifebonded, what Gifts does Selenay's >husband (second one) show up with after Jasen Chooses >him? Daren demonstrates his "earth sense" in "By the Sword" even before he is Chosen and meets Selanay, when he heals the land Ancar has magically tainted. By the way: since he's been Chosen, why isn't Daren King? I've only seen him referred to as "Prince Daren." Or has he just never asked to be King? Herald Jacquelle asks: >And on another note (okay, so this is getting WAY off the original topic >:-), how did Van *know* that Jisa would be the next King's Own? I think Van knows in the same way that Elspeth is pretty sure (in "Winds") that one of the twins will be Monarch and the other will be Monarch's Own: it just sort of makes sense. The Monarch's Own position seems to shift back and forth between being a member of the Monarch's family and being an outsider, but Elspeth comments that it's pretty common for a sibling to be Monarch's Own. And I think if you had someone who was both Chosen/Herald material and close family member, they would probably be a very effective Monarch's Own, both from the "giving honest advice" point of view and from the "representing the Monarch" point of view, especially to people outside of Valdemar, who might accept the Queen's brother more readily than some "monarch's own" position they've never heard of before. Layla _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:26:41 +0800 From: "kristy hibbitt" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Message-ID: i have just finished reading the pegasus series by anne mcaffrey and am now reading the tower and the hive series. for those of you who have read them and ML books, has anyone noticed that the mind magic of heralds is very similar to talent. healers magic is also very similar to heaing with the mind using talent. i wonder if Misty used examples of telekenesis and other stuff to base her herald magic on. stuff that scientists predict that humans will one day be able to do in the future. maybe heralds and healers don't use magic at all but are just using the power of the mind. i hope that came out right because i haven't read my misty books in a while. any comments would be appreciated. nerika _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:08:46 -0500 From: "Howell, Tommy" To: "'mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk'" Subject: RE: Gifts, and Monarch's Own (Jisa) Message-ID: <5BA8DB8D54C4D3119956009027DE50C603FE335D-+AT+-tdmnmail.tdmn.belo.com> Daren is not the monarch, but the monarch's consort. He has the title of Prince of Rethwellan. In the real world, Queen Elizabeth of Great Britain was married to Prince Philip, the son of Prince and Princess Andrew of Greece. If a male heir of the monarch assumes the throne, then he can be crowned King. -----Original Message----- By the way: since he's been Chosen, why isn't Daren King? I've only seen him referred to as "Prince Daren." Or has he just never asked to be King? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:21:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "Li'nia Stormdancer" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Gifts, and Monarch's Own (Jisa) Message-ID: <20010426162138.25724.qmail-+AT+-web1201.mail.yahoo.com> Heyla List-Sibs! --- Layla Voll wrote: > By the way: since he's been Chosen, why isn't Daren > King? I've only seen him > referred to as "Prince Daren." Or has he just never > asked to be King? IIRC, isn't there a tendency to have just one ruling monarch in Valdemar? I know there's the obvious rule that the monarch must be a Herald, but... Even in Vanyel's time, wasn't there only just the one Monarch? I don't have my timeline with me, and I can't remember if there is a textevd in one of the books laying out any rules, either... lol I think it's smart to only have the one, otherwise it would make life difficult for the Monarch's Own. They would have to choose who to support in the event of any differences in opinion... I apologize that this is so short, but I'm snagging some internet time at work, so... ===== ---<---<---<----+AT+- Li'nia Stormdancer -+AT+---->--->--->--- Peon to the Powers That Be, Goddess of All Things Possessed, & Caretaker of the Arena of Discussion and Dissention __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:28:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Li'nia Stormdancer" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Mind Magic Message-ID: <20010426162826.29373.qmail-+AT+-web1205.mail.yahoo.com> Heyla List-Sibs! --- kristy hibbitt wrote: >maybe heralds and healers don't use magic at >all but are just using the power of the mind. i hope > that came out right because i haven't read my misty >books in a while. I apologize in advance for sending two short posts, but this arrived in my inbox just after I sent the other one, and I may not be able to look at my email for a little while, so... Yes, the Healers and Heralds of Valdemar DO use Mind-Magic. That's the whole reason why they're not affected by the Mage Storms and other things detrimental to the use of real magic. The vrondi prevented the use of anything but real magic for years by driving mages insane. I think in one of the V&H books, either Tarma or Kethry mentions that "way up north they use mind-magic, and not real magic" (not an exact quote, but it's referring to Valdemar). Anywho, that's just my two-cents... ===== ---<---<---<----+AT+- Li'nia Stormdancer -+AT+---->--->--->--- Peon to the Powers That Be, Goddess of All Things Possessed, & Caretaker of the Arena of Discussion and Dissention __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 13:05:05 EDT From: Ilaria1431-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Gifts, and Monarch's Own (Jisa) Message-ID: --part1_f4.9699349.2819af41_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>>>By the way: since he's been Chosen, why isn't Daren King? I've only seen him referred to as "Prince Daren." Or has he just never asked to be King?<<<< I believe this touches on the subject of royal titles. If I am not mistaken, when a female inheirits the throne, her husband is a Prince...look at Queen Elizabeth II and her husband. He's a Prince. I think his title is "Prince" so as not to supercede his wife, who is the true heir to the throne. Someone please correct me if this is wrong. Herald Jacquelle "Why is that when you talk to God, you're praying, but when God talks to you, you're nuts?" Monica, Touched by an Angel --part1_f4.9699349.2819af41_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>>>By the way: since he's been Chosen, why isn't Daren King? I've only seen
him
referred to as "Prince Daren."  Or has he just never asked to be King?<<<<

I believe this touches on the subject of royal titles.  If I am not mistaken,
when a female inheirits the throne, her husband is a Prince...look at Queen
Elizabeth II and her husband.  He's a Prince.  I think his title is "Prince"
so as not to supercede his wife, who is the true heir to the throne.  Someone
please correct me if this is wrong.

Herald Jacquelle

"Why is that when you talk to God, you're praying, but when God talks to you,
you're nuts?"  Monica, Touched by an Angel --part1_f4.9699349.2819af41_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:26:41 From: "Layla Voll" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: RE: Gifts, and Monarch's Own (Jisa) Message-ID: I asked: >>By the way: since he's been Chosen, why isn't Daren King? I've only seen >>him referred to as "Prince Daren." Or has he just never asked to be King? Tommy Howell (and others) point out: >Daren is not the monarch, but the monarch's consort. He has the title of >Prince of Rethwellan. In the real world, Queen Elizabeth of Great Britain >was married to Prince Philip, the son of Prince and Princess Andrew of >Greece. > >If a male heir of the monarch assumes the throne, then he can be crowned >King. Right, but: If I recall correctly, the major struggle between Selenay and her first husband (and the reason he tried to assassinate her) was that she wouldn't make him King because he hadn’t been Chosen. As it was explained to Talia in Arrows, he didn’t understand why Selenay wouldn't just overrule the "technicality" of being Chosen for him. The problem wasn't that the Queen's consort is always Prince, but that the Queen's consort could only be made King if he had been Chosen. In addition, there is some precedent: Selenay's great-grandparents, Arden and Leesa, ruled as co-consorts. Now, it may just be that Selenay and Daren don't want to rake up his brother's treachery by making him King, although I would think it would do the opposite, and prove that Daren is, unlike his brother, completely trustworthy. And I don’t think Daren particularly cares about the title, but I was just wondering whether the issue had ever come up. Layla By the way, does anyone happen to remember why in real life William and Mary were co-rulers, and not Queen Mary II and Prince William? The legal reason, not just the "William was a Protestant military general and Mary wasn't" reason. Oh, and referencing the earlier discussion of rainbows: looks like I'm the only one who had to memorize "Richard Of York Gave Battle In Vain." Some weird colonial thing, I guess, since I learned my rainbvow the year I was in Egypt. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2579 **********************************