MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2592 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Jaysen? by "Layla Voll" 2) Jaysen by RachaelPoet-+AT+-aol.com 3) Re: Jaysen by "Susan" 4) Re: Jaysen by "Layla Voll" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 18:49:40 From: "Layla Voll" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Jaysen? Message-ID: Gondar writes: >I have lend my friend "Magic's Promise", and after reading it, she asked: >"Who was Jaysen? I thought that he must be improtant for Vanyel, but i >can't >remember him!". And so I. I don't remember who was Jaysen, and why he was >so >important for Vanyel. My friend thinks, that he was someone from the first >part, but I think he was important beacuse he was one of few Vanyel >Friends. >But what does he made? >And by the way, I am now ending "Magic's Price" and it is almoust as good >as >"Magic's Pawn", Stefen is realy incredible man, but why Vanyel is so >"Stupid"? >Magic's Price spoiler space: > Yes, Jaysen plays a really important part in the first book, "Magic's Pawn." In short, he's one of the Herald Mages acting as an instructor at the Collegium when Vanyel first arrives. He's a friend of Vanyel's aunt Savil, although he's younger than she is. If you haven't read the first book, these will be massive spoilers.... If you have, and just need reminding, here's the rundown (plus commentary, of course, because I happen to like Jaysen a lot, and think that Jaysen's actions go a long way towards showing that Savil made the wrong call in "Magic's Pawn"): .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. Jaysen is the Herald who starts off rather homophobic (saych-phobic?) in "Magic's Pawn," and the one whose leaking thoughts reaffirm Vanyel's own feeling that Tylendal's death was Vanyel's fault, thus leading directly to Vanyel's attempted suicide immediately after Tylendal's death. In Jaysen's defense, Savil and her students never confided the Vanyel/Tylendal relationship to Jaysen, so after the Gate Incident, the idea that Vanyel must have somehow corrupted Tylendal, or at the very least been egging him on, is not unique to Jaysen, and is certainly not an unreasonable idea, given the great lengths that they all go to in order to "prove" that Tylendal and Vanyel actually hate each other. After Tylendal's death, there's certainly no particular reason for Jaysen to suspect the depth of Vanyel's bond, given that Savil herself, who saw them every day, is only beginning to suspect that it was a lifebond. I think Jaysen's leaking thoughts have a lot more to do with his grief for Tylendal, whom he knew and liked, than a particular dislike for Vanyel (who did go out of his way to be seen as unlikeable), or to a deep-seated homophobia (since there's no question that he liked the obviously saych Tylendal). To his credit, Jaysen realizes his mistake immediately (after being smacked with an emotional broadcast from Vanyel), realizes exactly what he's done, feels immensely guilty about it, and goes out of his way to try to fix things, in the process becoming a close friend of Vanyel. ML (and Savil) make the point that Jaysen's homophobia is rooted more in ignorance and in the mores of the the society that he grew up in (a rather rural northern district) than a particular close-minded hatred. I also think that Jaysen's reactions show that Savil was wrong not to trust the basic decency of the other Heralds and Trainees, instead of setting Vanyel up as a spoiled brat, and thus leaving him with almost no support when Tylendal is deciding on his revenge scheme. I actually like Jaysen a lot. I think it's a lot harder to recognize one's mistakes and make reparations for them than it is to be right the first time, and very hard to recognize one's prejudices and deal with them head on. I assume that the Herald Jaysen of Vanyel's time is also the Companion Jaysen who Chooses Daren, which I find interesting. In some ways they are quite similar: rather blunt, decent men, occasionally wrong (see also Daren's early treatment of Kerowyn), but fundamentally good-hearted and willing to admit their mistakes and change. Layla _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 22:06:49 EDT From: RachaelPoet-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Jaysen Message-ID: <3b.149402c8.28333ab9-+AT+-aol.com> --part1_3b.149402c8.28333ab9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Who was Jaysen? I thought that he must be improtant for Vanyel, but i can't remember him!". And so I. I don't remember who was Jaysen, and why he was so important for Vanyel. My friend thinks, that he was someone from the first part, but I think he was important beacuse he was one of few Vanyel Friends. But what does he made? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~` Jaysen was Savyil's friend, a healer. It took me a few minutes to figure it out! Sorry this short guys. Cotton-candy flavored sheep to all, Rachael --part1_3b.149402c8.28333ab9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Who was Jaysen? I thought that he must be improtant for Vanyel, but i can't
remember him!". And so I. I don't remember who was Jaysen, and why he was so
important for Vanyel. My friend thinks, that he was someone from the first
part, but I think he was important beacuse he was one of few Vanyel Friends.
But what does he made?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`
Jaysen was Savyil's friend, a healer. It took me a few minutes to figure it
out! Sorry this short guys.
Cotton-candy flavored sheep to all,
                Rachael --part1_3b.149402c8.28333ab9_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 14:40:14 +1000 From: "Susan" To: Subject: Re: Jaysen Message-ID: <000a01c0ddc2$4e2ade00$3b0a32d2-+AT+-d6k5r4> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0DE16.1E3C77E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Jaysen was Savyil's friend, a healer.=20 nope, sorry. Jaysen was a Herald Mage. Andrel was the Healer. hope = that cleared things up for you. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0DE16.1E3C77E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> Jaysen was Savyil's friend, a = healer.=20
 
nope, sorry.  Jaysen was a Herald = Mage. =20 Andrel was the Healer.  hope that cleared things up for=20 you.
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0DE16.1E3C77E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 13:59:31 From: "Layla Voll" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Jaysen Message-ID: Susan writes: > > Jaysen was Savyil's friend, a healer.=20 > >nope, sorry. Jaysen was a Herald Mage. Andrel was the Healer. hope = >that cleared things up for you. Andrel was the healer, but Jaysen did have a little bit of the Healing Gift. Jaysen was also the Seneschal's Herald (Kyril's position in "Arrows," right?) Layla _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2592 **********************************