MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2615 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Brightly Burning by Matt Neimeyer 2) Re:Brightly Burning by "~*~ Ciara ~*~" 3) Re: Brightly Burning by "~*~ Ciara ~*~" 4) Re: Brightly Burning by "Lorna Appleby" 5) Re: Brightly Burning by Matt Neimeyer 6) Re: Brightly Burning by "~*~ Ciara ~*~" 7) Valdemarian Forgetfulness... by "Li'nia Stormdancer" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 15:59:25 -0400 From: Matt Neimeyer To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Brightly Burning Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010616155647.00a8c990-+AT+-ambriel.youth-guard.org> >Yes, it is between Vanyel and Elspeth, it even mentions Tylendel. It is a >really good book. Good. >Sorry about the one liner. Also in the front of the book >there should be a timeline. There is... but in the paperback version at least Brightly Burning isn't on it by title. This is partly why I was thinking that maybe the reason King Theran is listed is that something interesting happens then... IOW: Brightly Burning... Matt ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jun 2001 23:26:53 -0000 From: "~*~ Ciara ~*~" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re:Brightly Burning Message-ID: <20010616232653.18456.qmail-+AT+-meowmix.chek.com> Brightly Buring Spoiler S P O I L E R S P A C E >But I was wondering, while I know it's the story of Lavan Firestorm, where >does that fit in the Valdemar timeline? >For that matter I noticed on the timeline in the book itself that there is >the reign of King Theran... Is that when? > I'm confused about that book, it doesn't tell what happened to Trevan and Jisa, and yet Treven is still Acting as King's Own? it it just the same name? Alot of stuff about where and how this book fits in to the series confuses me, does anyone else feel this way? I mean the story line was good, but it could have been a really good triology, it felt like she was rushing to get it done with! ~*~ Ciara ~*~ ________________________________________________________________ Get Free Anime Email, News, Links, Forums and Shopping at http://www.AnimeNation.com ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jun 2001 23:29:23 -0000 From: "~*~ Ciara ~*~" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Brightly Burning Message-ID: <20010616232923.18688.qmail-+AT+-meowmix.chek.com> Sorry, more spoilers!! but yes it takes place somewhat approximately a >hundred or so years (i think!! i could be wrong) after vanyels time. Sorry I forgot to add this to the last post, but remember Lavan gets 'flustered' when he meets one of Vanyel's family members, so he couldn't have died that long ago, plus there are also references to Vanyel and Yfandes as if they lived yesterday! I'm still confused!!! Confused Sheep to all ~*~ Ciara ~*~ ________________________________________________________________ Get Free Anime Email, News, Links, Forums and Shopping at http://www.AnimeNation.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:47:55 -0700 From: "Lorna Appleby" To: Subject: Re: Brightly Burning Message-ID: <005b01c0f6be$c38c12d0$f240a8c0-+AT+-backtalk.org> --Spoilers May Or May Not be Present : Last Herald Mage Trilogy-- Time seems to move slowly in Vandlemar.. Things that happened a hundred years before are often treated like they were yesterday.. And Vandlemar seems to de-evolve as time passes. (They forget all they knew about gifts, etc. etc) I don't know if this all happened because of Vanyel's spell, or if it's because of the disruption of the wars with Karse (and whomever they hired) or just a matter of they didn't need to know how to train an empath so they never kept track. (In that case, good idea to write it down in a book it's alredy probably written in..) Brightly Burning *is* supposed to be a hundred years after Vanyel.. But details are still fresh in everyone's minds.. (Stephen, for example, lived how many years after Vanyel?) Think of it this way.. How much do we know of .. (bad examples here, but humour me) Hitler? Or Stalin? Vanyel was a gent who made an impact on *everyone's* lives. He was a nation wide hero, of course people are going to remember him a hundred years later! ^_^ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 22:00:15 -0400 From: Matt Neimeyer To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Brightly Burning Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010616214218.00a8cc38-+AT+-ambriel.youth-guard.org> >Time seems to move slowly in Vandlemar.. Things that happened a hundred >years before are often treated like they were yesterday. That never bothered me... as you said lower... >Vanyel was a gent who made an impact on *everyone's* lives. He was a >nation wide hero, of course people are going to remember him a hundred >years later! ^_^ Not to mention his visible difference as the last Herald Mage. This a visible scary difference lightning bolts and spells a blasting (at least in his time). Same deal with Lavin Firestorm... If fire starting isn't flashy and awe inspiring... On the other hand, an empath has no visible action or for another example, what about the herald that was fetching babies from herself (can't think of her name) to the parents from inside a burning building in one of the Arrows books... even though witnesses actually SAW her doing it they assumed she was tossing the babies down. >And Vandlemar seems to de-evolve as time passes. (They forget all they >knew about gifts, etc. etc) I don't know if this all happened because of >Vanyel's spell This really annoyed me. As to the science type things that were forgotten (like the roads they had) I can forgive that since I can believe that either science was given over for mind magic and they lost some of those techniques OR they weren't forgotten they simply didn't have anyone to do it (namely mages). And I grudgingly gave over some annoyance since Elspeth was able to find records of a lot of stuff in the libraries when she really needed to. >or just a matter of they didn't need to know how to train an empath >so they never kept track. That was the implication with Talia... that you just don't see Empathy apart from the healing gifts. So the Heralds never had to train pure empathy and botched it. Meanwhile the Healers (as a group) assumed the Heralds had trained her. >(In that case, good idea to write it down in a book it's alredy >probably written in..) Pointing to Elspeth again this didn't help any. She pointed out the By the Sword song that kept mysteriously becoming anonymous and legendary even when the person it was about was there in person in Valdemar. Matt ------------------------------ Date: 17 Jun 2001 02:46:00 -0000 From: "~*~ Ciara ~*~" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Brightly Burning Message-ID: <20010617024600.19464.qmail-+AT+-fancyfeast.chek.com> Spoiler for Talia, BB, Van. Think of it this way.. How much do we know of >. (bad examples here, but humour me) Hitler? Or Stalin? Vanyel was a gent >who made an impact on *everyone's* lives. He was a nation wide hero, of >course people are going to remember him a hundred years later! ^_^ > Good example! Thank you for clearing that up, but also, if Vanyel ( for history sake) was remembered as such, then how come they forgot the spells, and lore (for example: in Talia's book -last one- the need a bard to tell them the legends) The memories of everyone in Valdemar seem to be very selective! :) ~*~ Ciara ~*~ ________________________________________________________________ Get Free Anime Email, News, Links, Forums and Shopping at http://www.AnimeNation.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 19:48:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "Li'nia Stormdancer" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Valdemarian Forgetfulness... Message-ID: <20010617024855.63284.qmail-+AT+-web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Heyla List-Sibs! --- Lorna Appleby wrote: And Vandlemar seems to de-evolve as time passes. >(They forget all they knew about gifts, etc. etc) I >don't know if this all happened because of Vanyel's >spell, or if it's because of the disruption of the >wars with Karse (and whomever they hired) or just a >matter of they didn't need to know how to train an >empath so they never kept track. (In that case, good >idea to write it down in a book it's alredy probably >written in..) IIRC, the reason that people forgot about things (such as true magic, and not mind-magic) was because the Companions actively encouraged them to stop. They didn't clue in future Heralds on some of the things that had happened in the past. Also, since record-keeping was probably mostly done at Haven, and the Companions were there all the time, I don't think it's unfeasible for them to have "tampered" a little with things. They wanted people to forget. Also, Van's spell probably had something to do with it! lol Of course, it did turn around and bite them in the rump, since they had no clue how to deal with Ancar's mages, and were thoroughly surprised when Kerowyn and others outside of Valdemar were not only NOT surprised by this, but knew magic of their own and could combat it. That's just my thought on the matter, though... ===== ---<---<---<----+AT+- Li'nia Stormdancer -+AT+---->--->--->--- Peon to the Powers That Be, Goddess of All Things Possessed, & Caretaker of the Arena of Discussion and Dissention __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2615 **********************************