MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2619 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re:Brightly Burning by Matt Neimeyer 2) Re: A defense and other issues by "Layla Voll" 3) Re:Brightly Burning by "Morrigan Moon" 4) Re: [Re:Brightly Burning] by ARM 5) Re: [Re:Brightly Burning] by Dark Starwind ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 11:33:23 -0400 From: Matt Neimeyer To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re:Brightly Burning Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010621105550.00a8d898-+AT+-ambriel.youth-guard.org> >Brightly Buring Spoiler Okay I finally finished it and now I can comment on this stuff... (damned spoilers... can't read them until you aren't spoiling anything) BTW: This was a really fun read. >S >P >O >I >L >E >R > >S >P >A >C >E >but yes it takes place somewhat approximately a >hundred or so years (i think!! i could be wrong) after vanyels time. Well it clearly states that Theran is king so according to the time line in the cover that would place it roughly 300 years after Vanyel and roughly 300 years the other way before Talia and crew. I wish they had made that a little more obvious by dropping the book title on the time line. I'm wondering if some of the other monarchs listed that we haven't heard about imply that we will hear about something in that time frame and they are placed for future reference. Perhaps not... on second look, Theran was the only one on the time line not already covered by events or references in other books. >I'm confused about that book, it doesn't tell what happened to Trevan and >Jisa, and yet Treven is still Acting as King's Own? it it just the same >name? Alot of stuff about where and how this book fits in to the series >confuses me, does anyone else feel this way? I also thought it was fairly clear (though not said outright) that Lavan's royals were removed at least a generation or three from Vanyel's royals. BUT Rolan was also Monarch's Own Companion which either implies a REALLY long lived companion (300 years twixt Lavan's time and Talia's.....) or unimaginative naming on someone's part. Perhaps it's more a title than a name? >I mean the story line was good, but it could have been a really good >triology, it felt like she was rushing to get it done with! I'm not sure about that... Especially in light of the Trilogy thread. I think that if it had been pulled out into a duo or even a trio it would have been too similar to the Last Heralds Mage. I mean they each followed the same pattern (more or less) of a tragic or unsettling youth with the horrible discovery or awakening of power. This is followed by a timely choosing and a slow training, healing and trusting of the new powers (even a fear of them being uncontrolled leading to the training more than wanting them). Drop them into a war / siege on Valdemar by Karse or other Magic enemies. Killing someone close to them leading into yearn for revenge and loss of control resulting in massive destruction of the dark forces. That said I really enjoyed it. I do think it could have been stretched a little but... not much. I almost felt that this was more a book for people in the know about Valdemar that could fill in all the gaps without having to go over the details again so that the really exciting story could just be told and be told well. I know there are those that enjoy the training quests and minutia but this was the telling of the Lavan Firestorm story... we know what happened (if we've read the other books) and it's just the details that need to be filled in. Sort of like watching Titanic... we know how it ends we just want the juicy stuff in the middle. We don't really need to know the details of the Collegia or the Kingdom. We don't even really need to know about Karse and why they are at war, some of that gets set up in Last Herald Mage and some gets handled in the Mage Winds and Mage Storms books. >Sorry I forgot to add this to the last post, but remember Lavan gets >'flustered' when he meets one of Vanyel's family members, so he couldn't >have died that long ago, plus there are also references to Vanyel and >Yfandes as if they lived yesterday! I'm still confused!!! It seems like time moves real slow in Valdemar... Either that or we are only seeing real momentous moments in time. On the other hand I guess it's sort of like (taking from local Pittsburgh history, which is probably safer, if only from a factual detail point, than religious, political or "real" history) meeting up with an "actual" Carnegie or a Mellon or having lunch with Mr Heinz himself... Or finding out that Bob Miller down the street is related to Dennis Miller... Case in point, my roommate used to attend the church where Mr Rogers is a minister, and I covered for someone at work when he came in so that she could go get his autograph for her kids. We all touch "greatness" every so often... Just a matter of degree... Matt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 15:59:17 From: "Layla Voll" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: A defense and other issues Message-ID: Good morning! >A few non-Misty questions: Is there any connection >between GGK's Sailing_to_Sarantium (which I shall read >this summer) and the Yeats poem "Sailing to >Byzantium"? > > >Ice cream frappes in sheep-shaped glasses to all, >Ambermoon >Singer of Fire >Royal Defender of the Brat According to Kay there is. The Acknowledgements start off saying "I imagine it is obvious from the title of this work, but I owe a debt of inspiration to William Butler Yeats, whose meditations in poetry and prose on the mysteries of Byzantium led me there and gave me a number of underlying motifs along with a sense that imagination and history would be at home together in this milieu." I haven't read it yet, but the main character is a mosiacist, so I imagine it echoes some of the themes of beauty, art, and artifice. Layla _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 16:40:43 -0000 From: "Morrigan Moon" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re:Brightly Burning Message-ID: >BUT Rolan was also Monarch's Own Companion which either implies a REALLY >long lived companion (300 years twixt Lavan's time and Talia's.....) or >unimaginative naming on someone's part. Perhaps it's more a title than a >name? >From memory, the Monarch's Own companion does not age, but can be killed by conventional means...so it is perfectly plausible for rolan to live for 300 years Keep smiling Clair http://www.crystalgrove.co.uk _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Jun 2001 12:10:28 MDT From: ARM To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: [Re:Brightly Burning] Message-ID: <20010621181028.14516.qmail-+AT+-nw128.netaddress.usa.net> Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the Arrows trilogy doesn't it mention that the Grove-born companions, such as Rolan, don't die of old age but can be killed. If I'm correct then it's the same Rolan in BB. If anyone else knows different then please correct me. Angie:) Matt Neimeyer wrote: >Brightly Buring Spoiler Okay I finally finished it and now I can comment on this stuff... (damned spoilers... can't read them until you aren't spoiling anything) BTW: This was a really fun read. >S >P >O >I >L >E >R > >S >P >A >C >E >but yes it takes place somewhat approximately a >hundred or so years (i think!! i could be wrong) after vanyels time. Well it clearly states that Theran is king so according to the time line in the cover that would place it roughly 300 years after Vanyel and roughly 300 years the other way before Talia and crew. I wish they had made that a little more obvious by dropping the book title on the time line. I'm wondering if some of the other monarchs listed that we haven't heard about imply that we will hear about something in that time frame and they are placed for future reference. Perhaps not... on second look, Theran was the only one on the time line not already covered by events or references in other books. >I'm confused about that book, it doesn't tell what happened to Trevan and >Jisa, and yet Treven is still Acting as King's Own? it it just the same >name? Alot of stuff about where and how this book fits in to the series >confuses me, does anyone else feel this way? I also thought it was fairly clear (though not said outright) that Lavan's royals were removed at least a generation or three from Vanyel's royals. BUT Rolan was also Monarch's Own Companion which either implies a REALLY long lived companion (300 years twixt Lavan's time and Talia's.....) or unimaginative naming on someone's part. Perhaps it's more a title than a name? >I mean the story line was good, but it could have been a really good >triology, it felt like she was rushing to get it done with! I'm not sure about that... Especially in light of the Trilogy thread. I think that if it had been pulled out into a duo or even a trio it would have been too similar to the Last Heralds Mage. I mean they each followed the same pattern (more or less) of a tragic or unsettling youth with the horrible discovery or awakening of power. This is followed by a timely choosing and a slow training, healing and trusting of the new powers (even a fear of them being uncontrolled leading to the training more than wanting them). Drop them into a war / siege on Valdemar by Karse or other Magic enemies. Killing someone close to them leading into yearn for revenge and loss of control resulting in massive destruction of the dark forces. That said I really enjoyed it. I do think it could have been stretched a little but... not much. I almost felt that this was more a book for people in the know about Valdemar that could fill in all the gaps without having to go over the details again so that the really exciting story could just be told and be told well. I know there are those that enjoy the training quests and minutia but this was the telling of the Lavan Firestorm story... we know what happened (if we've read the other books) and it's just the details that need to be filled in. Sort of like watching Titanic... we know how it ends we just want the juicy stuff in the middle. We don't really need to know the details of the Collegia or the Kingdom. We don't even really need to know about Karse and why they are at war, some of that gets set up in Last Herald Mage and some gets handled in the Mage Winds and Mage Storms books. >Sorry I forgot to add this to the last post, but remember Lavan gets >'flustered' when he meets one of Vanyel's family members, so he couldn't >have died that long ago, plus there are also references to Vanyel and >Yfandes as if they lived yesterday! I'm still confused!!! It seems like time moves real slow in Valdemar... Either that or we are only seeing real momentous moments in time. On the other hand I guess it's sort of like (taking from local Pittsburgh history, which is probably safer, if only from a factual detail point, than religious, political or "real" history) meeting up with an "actual" Carnegie or a Mellon or having lunch with Mr Heinz himself... Or finding out that Bob Miller down the street is related to Dennis Miller... Case in point, my roommate used to attend the church where Mr Rogers is a minister, and I covered for someone at work when he came in so that she could go get his autograph for her kids. We all touch "greatness" every so often... Just a matter of degree... Matt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 19:06:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Dark Starwind To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: [Re:Brightly Burning] Message-ID: <20010622020648.13282.qmail-+AT+-web13104.mail.yahoo.com> Yes. In the Arrow trilogy, it does say that Grove-born Companions are basically immortal, but can be killed. Rolan is the same for Talia as he was for her predecessors. ^_^ Lady-Bard Dark Starwind --- ARM wrote: > Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the Arrows trilogy > doesn't it mention that the > Grove-born companions, such as Rolan, don't die of > old age but can be killed. > If I'm correct then it's the same Rolan in BB. If > anyone else knows different > then please correct me. > Angie:) > > > Matt Neimeyer wrote: > > >Brightly Buring Spoiler > > Okay I finally finished it and now I can comment on > this stuff... (damned > spoilers... can't read them until you aren't > spoiling anything) BTW: This > was a really fun read. > > > > > >S > >P > >O > >I > >L > >E > >R > > > >S > >P > >A > >C > >E > > > > > > > >but yes it takes place somewhat approximately a > >hundred or so years (i think!! i could be wrong) > after vanyels time. > > Well it clearly states that Theran is king so > according to the time line in > the cover that would place it roughly 300 years > after Vanyel and roughly > 300 years the other way before Talia and crew. I > wish they had made that a > little more obvious by dropping the book title on > the time line. > > I'm wondering if some of the other monarchs listed > that we haven't heard > about imply that we will hear about something in > that time frame and they > are placed for future reference. Perhaps not... on > second look, Theran was > the only one on the time line not already covered by > events or references > in other books. > > >I'm confused about that book, it doesn't tell what > happened to Trevan and > >Jisa, and yet Treven is still Acting as King's Own? > it it just the same > >name? Alot of stuff about where and how this book > fits in to the series > >confuses me, does anyone else feel this way? > > I also thought it was fairly clear (though not said > outright) that Lavan's > royals were removed at least a generation or three > from Vanyel's royals. > BUT Rolan was also Monarch's Own Companion which > either implies a REALLY > long lived companion (300 years twixt Lavan's time > and Talia's.....) or > unimaginative naming on someone's part. Perhaps it's > more a title than a > name? > > >I mean the story line was good, but it could have > been a really good > >triology, it felt like she was rushing to get it > done with! > > I'm not sure about that... Especially in light of > the Trilogy thread. I > think that if it had been pulled out into a duo or > even a trio it would > have been too similar to the Last Heralds Mage. I > mean they each followed > the same pattern (more or less) of a tragic or > unsettling youth with the > horrible discovery or awakening of power. This is > followed by a timely > choosing and a slow training, healing and trusting > of the new powers (even > a fear of them being uncontrolled leading to the > training more than wanting > them). Drop them into a war / siege on Valdemar by > Karse or other Magic > enemies. Killing someone close to them leading into > yearn for revenge and > loss of control resulting in massive destruction of > the dark forces. > > That said I really enjoyed it. I do think it could > have been stretched a > little but... not much. > > I almost felt that this was more a book for people > in the know about > Valdemar that could fill in all the gaps without > having to go over the > details again so that the really exciting story > could just be told and be > told well. I know there are those that enjoy the > training quests and > minutia but this was the telling of the Lavan > Firestorm story... we know > what happened (if we've read the other books) and > it's just the details > that need to be filled in. Sort of like watching > Titanic... we know how it > ends we just want the juicy stuff in the middle. We > don't really need to > know the details of the Collegia or the Kingdom. We > don't even really need > to know about Karse and why they are at war, some of > that gets set up in > Last Herald Mage and some gets handled in the Mage > Winds and Mage Storms > books. > > >Sorry I forgot to add this to the last post, but > remember Lavan gets > >'flustered' when he meets one of Vanyel's family > members, so he couldn't > >have died that long ago, plus there are also > references to Vanyel and > >Yfandes as if they lived yesterday! I'm still > confused!!! > > It seems like time moves real slow in Valdemar... > Either that or we are > only seeing real momentous moments in time. On the > other hand I guess it's > sort of like (taking from local Pittsburgh history, > which is probably > safer, if only from a factual detail point, than > religious, political or > "real" history) meeting up with an "actual" Carnegie > or a Mellon or having > lunch with Mr Heinz himself... Or finding out that > Bob Miller down the > street is related to Dennis Miller... Case in point, > my roommate used to > attend the church where Mr Rogers is a minister, and > I covered for someone > at work when he came in so that she could go get his > autograph for her > kids. We all touch "greatness" every so often... > Just a matter of degree... > > Matt > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2619 **********************************