MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2634 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Cat people....was More about Kris by "~*~ Ciara ~*~" 2) I'm back, tourists, dogs, and lifebonds by selkie-+AT+-gurlmail.com 3) Re: Totally off topic, Re-reading books, Cat vs. Dog by "Molly McAllister" 4) Re: Cat people....was More about Kris by "Doreen Glynn" 5) Re: Cat people....was More about Kris by "Morrigan Moon" 6) Re: I'm back, tourists(more fluff),and lifebonds by "Rebecca McAllister" 7) Re:I'm back, tourists, dogs, and lifebonds by "~*~ Ciara ~*~" 8) Re: Cat people/Firebird/Brightly Burning by "Devin Alicia Harris" 9) Re: Cat people....was More about Kris by Kenneth Allen Hyde 10) The difference between cats and dogs by "Devin Alicia Harris" 11) Re: Cat people....was More about Kris by foxfire-+AT+-sc.rr.com 12) Re: Cat people....was More about Kris by "Rebecca McAllister" 13) Cats and their importance by storm hunter 14) Re: Cat people....was More about Kris by "Lorna Appleby" 15) Lavan vs Vanyel, Brightly Burning spoiler by "Charlotte DiStefano" 16) kitties by Jodie8581-+AT+-aol.com 17) Re: Lavan vs Vanyel, Brightly Burning spoiler by Silvershadow 18) Re: Dog stories (was Cat people/More about Kris) by "Christi (Malmberg) Koenig" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 8 Jul 2001 16:08:13 -0000 From: "~*~ Ciara ~*~" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Cat people....was More about Kris Message-ID: <20010708160813.13545.qmail-+AT+-ninelives.chek.com> >>As far as >>cats are concerned people are just there to open the cat food and change >>the litter box. If they had thumbs they wouldn't need us at all. > Well. . .My kitten has extra toes, so it looks like he has thumbs, and he can open dorrs, but he can't open cat food. . .So maybe cats think of us as their personal servants? >I think most people perfer to write about cats because they have persieved >personalities as selfish bastards who will help people when convienent >rather than the dog persieved personality of it'll let you kick it as much >as you like as long as you scratch it behind the ears. I agree, Cats, tend to have more personality, if you call them, you'll probably either walk in the other direction, or look right through you :) But dogs (and I AM a dog lover too) are more loyal, so they prtically fall over themselves trying to obey you. That's why I think most writers prefer cats, because they tend to do what they want, and answer to nobody. . . . Sleepy sheep to all ~*~ Ciara ~*~ ________________________________________________________________ Get Free Anime Email, News, Links, Forums and Shopping at http://www.AnimeNation.com ------------------------------ Date: 8 Jul 2001 13:08:12 -0400 From: selkie-+AT+-gurlmail.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: I'm back, tourists, dogs, and lifebonds Message-ID: <20010708170812.27320.cpmta-+AT+-c000.iad.cp.net> Heyla list-sibs! I've been gone for a while, but I have returned. : ) On Tourists: *Throws sympathetic sheep* Yeah. Aren't they fun? I live very near to "SixFlags Worlds of Adventure"...SixFlags has taken over. They are evil...SixFlags, that is, not the tourists...only *some* of them are evil. Like they say "Why do they call it tourist season if we're not allowed to shoot them?" On Dogs: I would reccomend to "mature" dog-lovers Robin McKinley's "Deerskin"...the dogs there are quite important....I added the "mature" because unlike some of her works, it's not a book for children - at least according to the library... On Talia, Dirk, & Kris: I agree with those who doubt that they would ever have become a threesome...I just don't think that Talia and Kris were that close emotionally...and that Kris and Dirk were that close, erm, romantically. Which brings up a question - are all lifebonds necessarily romantic? Or can there be platonic lifebonds too, A la - well, oy... SPOILER SPACE * * * * * * * * * * * * ** *** * **** Yeah. Kaliria(sp?) and Lavan were lifebonded, but their relationship wasn't romantic (or, to be more specific, sexual) for obvious reasons. I would call theirs a platonic lifebond. Do you suppose this ever happens where both members of the pair are human - a platonic lifebonding? Yeah, just a few thoughts. Wind to thy wings, all! ~Cariad~ ________________________________________________________________________ --> get your free, private gURLmail account at http://www.gURLmail.com!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 18:13:58 -0000 From: "Molly McAllister" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Totally off topic, Re-reading books, Cat vs. Dog Message-ID: Heyla listsibs, Well, I have just had an unbelievably long day at work. Sigh. I hear you on those tourists, Lightsong. sigh.... all I have to say is "Try working at a state park.... All you get is tourists, although some are better then others." Oh well, enough fluff. I was just re-reading Oathbound, and for some reason, it jsut never occured to me how young Tarma and Kethry are. It that Kethry is only 19 and then while Tarma is sleeping Kethry thinks to herself that Tarma looks even younger then she is. It is amazing what really important things you miss in a book until the...oh...7th or 8th time you read it. Go fig. I was just curious what important facts other people just didn't get until they re-read the books several times. As for the cat thing, One has to admit that cats just have more personality and it is easier to make characters out of them, simply because, they are a)smarter then dogs (usually) and b) are more likely to defy there "owner" and do stuff on their own in defiance of what everyone else thinks. That is my though on the whole thing. Oh, and one last thing. >From Wintershard: > As for the birthday list, I haven't had thought to reincarnate it into >any useable version since the last time that it existed. If there is >enough >interest in the matter, I am sure that either myself or some other list >member might be gald to look into the possibilities *searches the crowd's >eyes smiling*. > Okay Wintershard, if no one else has bitten, I will. I would be willing to run the birthday list. I don't know what exactly that involves, but it sounds kind of fun....or maybe those will be my death words... Oh well. Zhai'hellava and happy tourist sheep to all ;-) Starshadow* Royal Defender of the Brat She'enedra to Lightsong _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 14:6:25 -0500 From: "Doreen Glynn" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Cat people....was More about Kris Message-ID: <41200170819625590-+AT+-earthlink.net> > -Lorna > (Please pardon the bad spelling, a sheep seems to have eaten my > dictionary..) > > A good herding dog would take care of that problem for you. :) Seriously, though. You are right about the attitude thing. It may be more interesting to write about an entity that MAY do what you want if it feels like it as opposed to an entity who WILL do what you want if it can possibly figure out a way to do it. As I thought more about it I remembered that Terry Pratchett (may his computer never crash) has written about dogs successfully. Well mostly werewolves but some dogs (re: THE TRUTH) I very much enjoyed them. --- Doreen Glynn --- timedancer0624-+AT+-earthlink.net Live long and may the force be wit ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 20:03:58 -0000 From: "Morrigan Moon" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Cat people....was More about Kris Message-ID: >From: "Doreen Glynn" >Which kind of leads me to a question that has been bothering me for >years......WHY do all sci-fi/fantasy authors seem to be cat people? Do you want dogs? I just happen to be reading a book with a rather lovely dog/wolf in it. It's the second of David Gemmel's Hawk Queen books 'The Hawk Eternal', and I really want the dog in it. Keep smiling Clair "Looking confused at all the sheep" _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 20:20:14 From: "Rebecca McAllister" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: I'm back, tourists(more fluff),and lifebonds Message-ID: > >Heyla list-sibs! I've been gone for a while, but I have returned. : ) > Welcome back Cariad! :) >On Tourists: >*Throws sympathetic sheep* Yeah. Aren't they fun? I live very near to >"SixFlags Worlds of Adventure"...SixFlags has taken over. They are >evil...SixFlags, that is, not the tourists...only *some* of them are evil. >Like they say "Why do they call it tourist season if we're not allowed to >shoot them?" *More Fluff* Tee hee. I like that. I feel for you Lightsong. You didn't tell me about that Bonehead tourist. I just hate that. By the way I think that person came into the restuarant last night. "Where are the Big Trees? There called Redwoods right? Oh you probably don't know what they're called" DUH! I have only lived here my whole life, you think I don't don't know what the most promonent tree in my area is! What an idiot! > >On Talia, Dirk, & Kris: >I agree with those who doubt that they would ever have become a >threesome...I just don't think that Talia and Kris were that close >emotionally...and that Kris and Dirk were that close, erm, romantically. Uh, Yeah. >Which brings up a question - are all lifebonds necessarily romantic? Or can >there be platonic lifebonds too, A la - well, oy... Brightly Burning >SPOILER SPACE >* >* >* >* >* >* >* >* >* >* >* >* >** >*** >* >**** >Yeah. Kaliria(sp?) and Lavan were lifebonded, but their relationship wasn't >romantic (or, to be more specific, sexual) for obvious reasons. I would >call theirs a platonic lifebond. Do you suppose this ever happens where >both members of the pair are human - a platonic lifebonding? > >Yeah, just a few thoughts. >Wind to thy wings, all! >~Cariad~ A good Question. I think that it is possible. I mean if you life bond if of the same sex as you, but neither you have any same sex tendencies, then yeah, it would would probably be platonic. That is just a guess though. - - - - - - - - - - END SPOILER On Another note, I just want say how gad I am that we are back to talking about Misty, and not all the other autors that I have never read. :) Becca -Lady of all titleless entities (see, now I have a title) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: 8 Jul 2001 21:07:58 -0000 From: "~*~ Ciara ~*~" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re:I'm back, tourists, dogs, and lifebonds Message-ID: <20010708210758.3940.qmail-+AT+-meowmix.chek.com> Also on Tourists: Sorry 'bout the fluff, there was this one group of tourists that my friend and I saw in the grocery store, and I guess they were from the US (I'm in Canada) and they were talking about how warm it was, and the lady at the check out asked them if they were from around here, and they said no, and then they told ehr they packed mostly warm clothes because they thought Canada was suposed to be cold year round. . ANYWAYS, no offence to those who are in the States, but these guys were REALLY dumb :) >On Tourists: >*Throws sympathetic sheep* Yeah. Aren't they fun? I live very near to "SixFlags Worlds of Adventure"...SixFlags has taken over. They are evil...SixFlags, that is, not the tourists...only *some* of them are evil. Like they say "Why do they call it tourist season if we're not allowed to shoot them?" > ________________________________________________________________ Get Free Anime Email, News, Links, Forums and Shopping at http://www.AnimeNation.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 14:35:04 -0700 From: "Devin Alicia Harris" To: Subject: Re: Cat people/Firebird/Brightly Burning Message-ID: <000c01c107f5$dbd16640$d3811c0c-+AT+-computer> I actually rather liked the dogs in Misty's "Firebird", which I just finished reading about five minutes ago. And the fox...but of course, I think foxes are more cat than dog, anyway! And speaking of "Firebird", I have to say that it's the "fairytale" novel I've liked best so far; I found the climax much more in keeping with the rest of the book than, say, "The Fire Rose", and the wrapup quite entertaining! I also just read "Brightly Burning" (thank you, eBay!), and I have to say that I found Lavan all-around more likeable than Vanyel, and empathized with him more. I see the similarities, but never once did I have the desire to "whup him upside the head" as I did with Van, and his tragic end was much more comprehensible than Van's...or am I the only one here who belongs to the "Vanyel had other options" school of thought? "Brightly Burning" is also the only Misty book I've ever longed to see in movie form; computer animated a la "Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within", and oh wouldn't casting the voices be fun... Dev > > Do you want dogs? I just happen to be reading a book with a rather lovely > dog/wolf in it. It's the second of David Gemmel's Hawk Queen books 'The > Hawk Eternal', and I really want the dog in it. > > Keep smiling > Clair > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free -+AT+-yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 18:03:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Kenneth Allen Hyde To: Misty Lackey List Subject: Re: Cat people....was More about Kris Message-ID: On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Doreen Glynn wrote: > Which kind of leads me to a question that has been bothering me for > years......WHY do all sci-fi/fantasy authors seem to be cat people? If you mean, why do sci-fi/fantasy authors always choose to write about cats, they don't. If you mean, why are all sci-fi/fantasy authors cat afficionados in real life, they aren't. Books with interesting dog characters do exist. Guy Gavriel Kay features Cavil in his Fionavar Tapestry (and nary a cat to be found, iirc). Robin McKinley clearly prefers dogs in her books (especially her books about the Hill people, such as "The Blue Sword"). Science Fiction is harder. I can't think of any *books* off-hand, although the movie "A Boy and His Dog" is a classic. Admittedly, cats do have an ascendancy in both types of fiction. Of course, that makes sense in Fantasy Fiction. After all, of all the animals in the Western tradition to be associated with magic and fantasy, the cat is pre-eminent. Cats have been associated with magic since the dawn of civilization (possibly before). In sci-fi, I think the main question that comes up is "which animal (dogs or cats) is more likely to be at home and comfortable in a confined technological environment?" Dogs, particularly big lolloping entusiastic ones, just don't fit in a scenario with space flight, although they do show up in planet-bound sci-fi adventures. But, I think the main reason that cats are more often used as characters in any kind of fiction (with the obvious exception of juvenile dog stories) is that they are not pack animals. Dogs are pack animals. Their association with humans has always been one of subservience, and I think it is difficult for authors to create a canine character that is palatable yet recognizably canine. Either they err on the one side and create a character that is fawningly subservient (i.e., very canine in personality) or they err on the other side and create a character that is independant and self-willed (i.e., not notably canine at all). Dog characters of the former type tend to be unpleasant to read about, while the characters of the latter type might just as well not be dogs. Cats on the other hand, make ideal animal characters. Because we expect them to be self-willed and independent, there is no problem with defining their character's personality. A feline character must be independant in order to be recognizable. In this, we recognize the housecats that we see around us, creatures who share our lives because they choose to and not because their nature requires it. They are the only domestic animal that can truly be said to retain the mystique of independance. All other common domestic animals are expected to be subservient to their human owners (horses, cows, sheep, pigs, etc.) > But they do things for love too. Cats don't. As far as cats are > concerned people are just there to open the cat food and change the > litter box. If they had thumbs they wouldn't need us at all. Actually, cats do act out of love, sometimes. The difference is that they are not as effusively demonstrative as most dogs and that their love must be earned. And it's a mistake that cats view humans merely as a convenience. They include us in their social groups and territoriality. Unlike dogs, however, cats as a species do not view us as the center of their world, merely as part of it. In that, they are very like humans. =) May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd Councilor of Mist Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me //www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/prof/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 17:01:53 -0700 From: "Devin Alicia Harris" To: Subject: The difference between cats and dogs Message-ID: <002501c1080a$5e767040$98811c0c-+AT+-computer> I take these words of wisdom from an old tee shirt: A dog looks at his humans and thinks: "Wow, these beings feed me, shelter me, care for me...they must be gods!" A cat looks at his humans and thinks: "Wow, these beings feed me, shelter me, care for me...I must be a GOD!" Dev ***** http://www.greendragonpress.net/misty.htm ***** "That's it, I ain't takin' no more lip from a statue." _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free -+AT+-yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 20:12:31 -0400 From: foxfire-+AT+-sc.rr.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Cat people....was More about Kris Message-ID: <3B48BEAF.13587.182E820-+AT+-localhost> > Seriously, though. You are right about the attitude thing. It may be > more interesting to write about an entity that MAY do what you want if > it feels like it as opposed to an entity who WILL do what you want if > it can possibly figure out a way to do it. Delurking as a dog lover here...personally, I think that so many writers are cat people because dog people are too busy playing with their dogs to write as much. I'm firmly convinced that two dogs and two cats are the way to go, but in a pinch I'd choose dogs. Independence and mystery are cool, but I like knowing that the furball who's currently demanding an ear rub would die for me if he had to. (This is what I get for having livestock-guardian dogs. :-) As I thought more about it > I remembered that Terry Pratchett (may his computer never crash) has > written about dogs successfully. Well mostly werewolves but some dogs > (re: THE TRUTH) I very much enjoyed them. Gaspode is great fun. :-) My favorite is the book that involves him dealing with a feral dog pack (can't find it right now - just moved and my books are all in boxes). As far as other books go, I second the recommendation (and the warning) on "Deerskin". It's a beautifully done book, but rough near the beginning. "Dogland" by Will Shetterley is another good one, though the dogs are mostly peripheral - magical realism, folklore, and 60's racism in Northern Florida - and I just finished "A Feral Darkness" by Doranna Durgin, which has a Corgi in the starring role. >>I think most people perfer to write about cats because they have persieved personalities as selfish bastards who will help people when convienent rather than the dog persieved personality of it'll let you kick it as much as you like as long as you scratch it behind the ears.<< Which is a perception that causes *more* dog bites... :-) The last person I knew who thought that way wound up thoroughly punctured and in the hospital - eventually even the gentlest dog will decide it's Had Enough. (sorry for ranting...I spend a lot of time with various dog rescue groups. I'll stop preaching now. ObMisty: Um, not much canine to talk about. I've always wondered about pack structure with the kyree, does that count? :-) Relurking with a flock of sheep and a border collie to herd 'em, Avery ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 01:14:48 From: "Rebecca McAllister" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Cat people....was More about Kris Message-ID: Avery wrote: > I'm firmly convinced that two >dogs and two cats are the way to go, but in a pinch I'd choose >dogs. Independence and mystery are cool, but I like knowing that >the furball who's currently demanding an ear rub would die for me if >he had to. (This is what I get for having livestock-guardian dogs. :-) Boy all these people talking about how loyal their dogs are makes me wonder what the heck is wrong wih my dog. He doesn't come when i cll hime, he doesn't do tricks for me unless he is absolutely certain that he will get a cookie from me,(Praise jsut doesn't dut it) and he CERTAINLY would di for me. I can totally see my body burning in some building, and my dog running out to save himself. I am kind of jealous. Anywho, OBMisty I always seems odd to me how quite often, people don't listen to their companions opinion of poeple. I mean HELLO! If a Divine being was telling me that someone wasn't trust worthy, I would sure believe them and then do my best to stay out of that persons way. Examples are Elspeths trust in Orthallen to set her up with boys, even though her companion dis likes them, and the queens trust for Orthalled. again Her compnaion doesn't like him either, yet she considers him one of her closest advisors. And then there is the big Doosy of Talia tellig Kris that His Uncle was behind rumors about him, AND HE DIDN'T BELIEVE HER! What is with that. I mean shes a herald, not just a Herald, but an Empath. If someone was unsavory, she would know! Okay I am done ranting now, Becca -Lady of all titleless entities (see, now I have a title) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 19:11:00 -0700 (PDT) From: storm hunter To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Cats and their importance Message-ID: <20010709021100.8454.qmail-+AT+-web11201.mail.yahoo.com> --0-189448144-994644660=:7250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't know where all of you are coming from but cats are veryyyyyy affectionate. the difference is they are affectionate on their time not on yours. Cats have long been associated with protection egyptian Goddess (can't remember name) but cats were held in high regard as protectors. Egyptians mummified their cats. So when an author writes about an animal they lean towards historically significant animals. another words cats so now that history is placing dogs in significant places more authors are writing about dogs...follow history and projection of the future and you will find all answers to why authors write the way they do... I have said my peace cat sheep to you alll storm --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-189448144-994644660=:7250 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

I don't know where all of you are coming from but cats are veryyyyyy affectionate.  the difference is they are affectionate on their time not on yours.  Cats have long been associated with protection egyptian Goddess (can't remember name) but cats were held in high regard as protectors.  Egyptians mummified their cats.  So when an author writes about an animal they lean towards historically significant animals.  another words cats so now that history is placing dogs in significant places more authors are writing about dogs...follow history and projection of the future and you will find all answers to why authors write the way they do...

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http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-189448144-994644660=:7250-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 19:13:15 -0700 From: "Lorna Appleby" To: Subject: Re: Cat people....was More about Kris Message-ID: <009f01c1081c$b6230760$f201a8c0-+AT+-backtalk.org> >I always seems odd to me how quite often, people don't listen to their >companions opinion of poeple. I mean HELLO! If a Divine being was telling me >that someone wasn't trust worthy, I would sure believe them and then do my >best to stay out of that persons way. Ah, but did they know at the time that the Companions were divine beings? Heralds reborn? Unfortunately, not.. > Examples are Elspeths trust in >Orthallen to set her up with boys, even though her companion dis likes them, >and the queens trust for Orthalled. again Her compnaion doesn't like him >either, yet she considers him one of her closest advisors. Heh. Elspeth was a teenager.. Did you ever listen to anyone when you were told that boy or girl was bad for you or not trustworthy? That you should really do something or other because it's "good for you"? ^_^ You may have done what they advised *anyway* but most teenagers didn't do it because they were "advised" to.. ^_^ >And then there is >the big Doosy of Talia tellig Kris that His Uncle was behind rumors about >him, AND HE DIDN'T BELIEVE HER! What is with that. I mean shes a herald, not >just a Herald, but an Empath. If someone was unsavory, she would know! Kris was on the defensive about his Uncle, he even thinks as much.. He didn't *want* to think about what kind of person Orthellan was and I think Tantris didn't push it because he only had the same evidence as Talia.. Feelings and intuitions, no proof or examples. -Lorna ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 03:20:53 From: "Charlotte DiStefano" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Lavan vs Vanyel, Brightly Burning spoiler Message-ID: Heyla all, Brightly Burning S P O I L E R * * * * * * Dev said: I also just read "Brightly Burning" (thank you, eBay!), and I have to say that I found Lavan all-around more likeable than Vanyel, and empathized with him more. I see the similarities, but never once did I have the desire to "whup him upside the head" as I did with Van, and his tragic end was much more comprehensible than Van's...or am I the only one here who belongs to the "Vanyel had other options" school of thought? Watch out...as a dame of OoAM (the Order of Amber and Marigold; we defend Vanyel), I may have to come after you for that one... ;). Seriously thought, I actually liked Lavan a lot LESS than Vanyel. In my opinion, Vanyel spent a lot of time being a whiney little brat, but by the end, he got it together, and saved the world in what I thought was his only option. Lavan, on the other hand, spend his WHOLE life being a whiney little brat, and refusing to learn to control his gift. If he ever had, he probably would have been able to save the world and live through it. As it was, he basically saved the world by accident...he lost control, and the result of that is what saved everyone. Anyway, that's just my two-cents on the matter! ~Lightsong Royal Defender of the Brat Dame of OoAM She'enedra to Starshadow ~ ~ Do not live merely in harmony, and some say, but in melody. ~ ~ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 23:56:40 EDT From: Jodie8581-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: kitties Message-ID: <127.11d8351.287a8578-+AT+-aol.com> --part1_127.11d8351.287a8578_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK people if this does that weird HTML stuff we keep griping about I am sorry I am on AOL and I don't know how to fix it. But I am an avid cat lover so I thought I needed to defend my precious little kitty cat. If anyone is wondering her name is puff. She's a black Persian =^..^=.... so anyways...My cat doesn't do cool tricks like play dead or fetch the newspaper but she does come when I call her and she does know how to talk on the telephone. I always find it really cute when cats stand on their kind ends to get a treat from you. I've also got my cat trained to go running up the stairs to my bedroom any time I go upstairs. She then plops down on the bed and waits for me. I do think cats can have quirky personalities but there are plenty that like dogs are affection starved and want to be loved 24/7...We have about 10 of them at the barn I ride at. And there are dogs that don't want anything to do with people..remember things come in all shapes and sizes and u can always find what ur looking for in both breed cat or dog. As u all can tell I am clearly a cat lover so I don't mean to offend the dog lovers out there. But i am sure u all think i am crazy for loving my kitties as I do u all with ur dogs. :) Cat and Dog shaped sheep to everyone * who knows they mite make good pillows..my cat always does* Jodie --part1_127.11d8351.287a8578_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK people if this does that weird HTML stuff we keep griping about I am sorry
I am on AOL and I don't know how to fix it.  

But I am an avid cat lover so I thought I needed to defend my precious little
kitty cat.  If anyone is wondering her name is puff.  She's a black Persian
=^..^=....  so anyways...My cat doesn't do cool tricks like play dead or
fetch the newspaper but she does come when I call her and she does know how
to talk on the telephone.  I always find it really cute when cats stand on
their kind ends to get a treat from you.  I've also got my cat trained to go
running up the stairs to my bedroom any time I go upstairs.  She then plops
down on the bed and waits for me.  I do think cats can have quirky
personalities but there are plenty that like dogs are affection starved and
want to be loved 24/7...We have about 10 of them at the barn I ride at.  And
there are dogs that don't want anything to do with people..remember things
come in all shapes and sizes and u can always find what ur looking for in
both breed cat or dog.  As u all can tell I am clearly a cat lover so I don't
mean to offend the dog lovers out there.  But i am sure u all think i am
crazy for loving my kitties as I do u all with ur dogs.   :)  

Cat and Dog shaped sheep to everyone * who knows they mite make good
pillows..my cat always does*

Jodie --part1_127.11d8351.287a8578_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 00:14:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Silvershadow To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Lavan vs Vanyel, Brightly Burning spoiler Message-ID: <20010709071433.21280.qmail-+AT+-web4502.mail.yahoo.com> --0-2026514993-994662873=:18450 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Heyla there all!Warning! Newbie alert! ^_~Heh I've been watching you all talk for the past couple of days and WAS going to keep it that way, you're all completely insaine if you don't mind me saying so and I find it horribly intreging. BUT, I couldn't keep quiet when I saw these comments about Vanyel( I SO worship the ground he walks on, around or in the general area of!)and Lavan.Lavan and Van were sort of close in personality to begin with and I agree that Van got to be very whiny and pretentious but then, I'll say that I probebly would have too if I had to put up with the kind of life he did! Lavan didn't have all THAT much of a problem. Sure he was in a life he didn't like and he was being bet up on but thats NOTHING compared to what Van had to go through...And to Lightsong, I feel compelled to mention that at first Van was refusing to learn to use his gifts as well. Though HE had a much better reason in my opinion.okay.. i've gone on long enough... *sits and starts to figure out a plan to avoid any miss-thrown sheep* ~Silvershadow~ Chocobo of Legend Wielder of the Sacred SPOON --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-2026514993-994662873=:18450 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Heyla there all! Warning! Newbie alert! ^_~ Heh I've been watching you all talk for the past couple of days and WAS going to keep it that way, you're all completely insaine if you don't mind me saying so and I find it horribly intreging. BUT, I couldn't keep quiet when I saw these comments about Vanyel( I SO worship the ground he walks on, around or in the general area of!)and Lavan. Lavan and Van were sort of close in personality to begin with and I agree that Van got to be very whiny and pretentious but then, I'll say that I probebly would have too if I had to put up with the kind of life he did! Lavan didn't have all THAT much of a problem. Sure he was in a life he didn't like and he was being bet up on but thats NOTHING compared to what Van had to go through... And to Lightsong, I feel compelled to mention that at first Van was refusing to learn to use his gifts as well. Though HE had a much better reason in my opinion. okay.. i've gone on long enough... *sits and starts to figure out a plan to avoid any miss-thrown sheep*

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http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --0-2026514993-994662873=:18450-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 09:10:04 -0500 From: "Christi (Malmberg) Koenig" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Dog stories (was Cat people/More about Kris) Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20010709085240.0259bcb0-+AT+-aranya.com-+AT+-mail2.nsiweb.com> --=====================_72074195==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:27 PM 7/8/01 +0100, you wrote: >As I thought more about it I remembered that Terry Pratchett (may his >computer never crash) has written about dogs successfully. Well mostly >werewolves but some dogs (re: THE TRUTH) I very much enjoyed them. There was also a series of books about dogs a while back - K-9 Corps, by Kenneth Von Gunden, I believe (can't check, the books are packed up), featuring about a dozen fairly intelligent, speaking dogs. Fantasy-wise, there was also a dog in a few of Susan Cooper's "The Dark is Rising" series, named Cafall if my memory is working. Also, just remembered, Tara K. Harper's Wolfwalker and other books in that series. And dogs & cats both have shown up in some Tamora Pierce books (the Tortall series, for younger people). OBMisty - at least in the Valdemar books, there haven't been any cats that I can recall, although I think the kyree are dog-like in some regards, as well as Kerowyn's messenger-dogs. Just lots and lots of horses and horse-types, which is why I got into these books in the first place, as well as Anne McCaffrey (also no dogs, although fire lizards could be considered dogs with wings possibly), and Judith Tarr (who says that Companians are a lot like Lippizans who can't talk) Speaking personally, I'm more of a dog person. I want something that will at least act like it's glad to see me, but I could be biased by keeping my sister's brat-kitties while she was in Europe for 4 months (chewing things, puking on the carpet, and using my good suede jacket to climb to the top of the closet. And hair EVERYWHERE, even now after they've been back home for a year). Anywho, OBMisty I always seems odd to me how quite often, people don't listen to their companions opinion of poeple. I mean HELLO! If a Divine being was telling me that someone wasn't trust worthy, I would sure believe them and then do my best to stay out of that persons way. Examples are Elspeths trust in Orthallen to set her up with boys, even though her companion dis likes them, and the queens trust for Orthalled. again Her compnaion doesn't like him either, yet she considers him one of her closest advisors. And then there is the big Doosy of Talia tellig Kris that His Uncle was behind rumors about him, AND HE DIDN'T BELIEVE HER! What is with that. I mean shes a herald, not just a Herald, but an Empath. If someone was unsavory, she would know! Okay I am done ranting now, Didn't one of the Companions, at some point, tell their Chosen that they would offer advice, but *not* tell them how to run their life? I can't for the life of me remember who, but it may have been Kris, or Vanyel, asking said Companion something along the lines of "why didn't you tell me I was being an idiot" and getting an answer to the effect of "free will". Plus, they didn't really know that Companions are "divine", and most of them probably aren't. (Do we have any idea of the ratio of re-born to not re-born Companions, or are they all re-born and we just don't know it yet? Are Grove-born Companions re-born, or does it vary?) My two cents on a very nasty hot day after a rotten weekend. Christi Koenig (aka DejaEeyore) --=====================_72074195==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 08:27 PM 7/8/01 +0100, you wrote:

As I thought more about it I remembered that Terry Pratchett (may his
computer never crash) has written about dogs successfully. Well mostly
werewolves but some dogs (re: THE TRUTH) I very much enjoyed them.


There was also a series of books about dogs a while back - K-9 Corps, by Kenneth Von Gunden, I believe (can't check, the books are packed up), featuring about a dozen fairly intelligent, speaking dogs.  Fantasy-wise, there was also a dog in a few of Susan Cooper's "The Dark is Rising" series, named Cafall if my memory is working.  Also, just remembered, Tara K. Harper's Wolfwalker and other books in that series.  And dogs & cats both have shown up in some Tamora Pierce books (the Tortall series, for younger people).

OBMisty - at least in the Valdemar books, there haven't been any cats that I can recall, although I think the kyree are dog-like in some regards, as well as Kerowyn's messenger-dogs.  Just lots and lots of horses and horse-types, which is why I got into these books in the first place, as well as Anne McCaffrey (also no dogs, although fire lizards could be considered dogs with wings possibly), and Judith Tarr (who says that Companians are a lot like Lippizans who can't talk)

Speaking personally, I'm more of a dog person.  I want something that will at least act like it's glad to see me, but I could be biased by keeping my sister's brat-kitties while she was in Europe for 4 months (chewing things, puking on the carpet, and using my good suede jacket to climb to the top of the closet.  And hair EVERYWHERE, even now after they've been back home for a year).
Anywho, OBMisty
I always seems odd to me how quite often, people don't listen to their
companions opinion of poeple. I mean HELLO! If a Divine being was telling me
that someone wasn't trust worthy, I would sure believe them and then do my
best to stay out of that persons way. Examples are Elspeths trust in
Orthallen to set her up with boys, even though her companion dis likes them,
and the queens trust for Orthalled. again Her compnaion doesn't like him
either, yet she considers him one of her closest advisors. And then there is
the big Doosy of Talia tellig Kris that His Uncle was behind rumors about
him, AND HE DIDN'T BELIEVE HER! What is with that. I mean shes a herald, not
just a Herald, but an Empath. If someone was unsavory, she would know!
Okay I am done ranting now,

Didn't one of the Companions, at some point, tell their Chosen that they would offer advice, but *not* tell them how to run their life?  I can't for the life of me remember who, but it may have been Kris, or Vanyel, asking said Companion something along the lines of "why didn't you tell me I was being an idiot" and getting an answer to the effect of "free will".  Plus, they didn't really know that Companions are "divine", and most of them probably aren't.  (Do we have any idea of the ratio of re-born to not re-born Companions, or are they all re-born and we just don't know it yet?  Are Grove-born Companions re-born, or does it vary?)

My two cents on a very nasty hot day after a rotten weekend.

Christi Koenig
(aka DejaEeyore)
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