MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2635 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Listening? by Kathy Wille 2) Re: Lavan vs Vanyel, Brightly Burning spoiler by "Devin Alicia Harris" 3) Brightly Burning spoiler: about Lavan and "brats" by Kenneth Allen Hyde 4) Re: The difference between cats and dogs by Gary or Wendy Meuse 5) Cat's in Misty, Companions advice by "Molly McAllister" 6) Re: Dog stories (was Cat people/More about Kris) by Matt Neimeyer 7) Stupid Heralds by "Devin Alicia Harris" 8) Re: Cat people....was More about Kris by "Layla Voll" 9) Cats & Dogs... by "Li'nia Stormdancer" 10) Re: I'm back, tourists, dogs, and lifebonds by "Liz Hoffman" 11) Re: Cat's in Misty, Companions advice by "Christi (Malmberg) Koenig" 12) Re: Cat people....was More about Kris by Kenneth Allen Hyde 13) Re: Cat people....was More about Kris by "Rebecca McAllister" 14) Re: Cat people....was More about Kris by Silvershadow 15) Re: Stupid Heralds and Levan by mclouds-+AT+-cc.wwu.edu 16) Re: Cat people....was More about Kris by Sarah Scrivano 17) Re: Cat people....was More about Kris by Silvershadow 18) Misty web site by =?iso-8859-1?q?Sheridan=20Hoy?= 19) Braid: Website/Tourists/Lavan... by "Li'nia Stormdancer" 20) Re: Braid: Website/Tourists/Lavan... by "Sanne Hoogerwerf" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 08:25:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathy Wille To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Listening? Message-ID: <20010709152544.38029.qmail-+AT+-web11208.mail.yahoo.com> Companions never offer advice - Kris's Companion and Elspeths were never asked by their chosen what they thought so as it wasn't a catastrophe waiting to happen they stayed silent. Elspeths companion didn't tell her she disliked her new friends she just didn't spend any time with them. It took Talia yelling at her asking if her companion liked them for her to realize she had been avoiding them. And Kris - Talia was his trainee with a Roge Gift - he could use that as enough doubt so he didn't have to face that there was something wrong with his uncle and she didn't handle it very well - she never said outright there was something wrong she just had feelings and suspicions. JMHO Kathy --- Lorna Appleby wrote: > >I always seems odd to me how quite often, > people don't listen to their > >companions opinion of poeple. I mean HELLO! If > a Divine being was telling > me > >that someone wasn't trust worthy, I would sure > believe them and then do my > >best to stay out of that persons way. > > Examples are Elspeths trust in > >Orthallen to set her up with boys, even though > her companion dis likes > them, > >and the queens trust for Orthalled. again Her > compnaion doesn't like him > >either, yet she considers him one of her > closest advisors. > >And then there is > >the big Doosy of Talia tellig Kris that His > Uncle was behind rumors about > >him, AND HE DIDN'T BELIEVE HER! What is with > that. I mean shes a herald, > not just a Herald, but an Empath. If someone was > unsavory, she would know! ===== All the great things are simple! Many can be expressed in a single word: Freedom; Justice; Honour; Duty; Mercy; Hope and Love. ~Sir Winston Churchill (Paraphrased!) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 08:43:03 -0700 From: "Devin Alicia Harris" To: Subject: Re: Lavan vs Vanyel, Brightly Burning spoiler Message-ID: <001e01c1088d$d89467a0$cc811c0c-+AT+-computer> Possible spoiler,hence S P A C E >>Lavan didn't have all THAT much of a problem. Sure he was in a life he didn't like and he was being bet up on but thats NOTHING compared to what Van had to go through...<< Obviously, you've never been in a situation where certain people had no desire other than to make your life *miserable*, and no one in a position of authority gave a damn. This went way beyond teasing and bullying to what I would consider psychological torture. From the description of the school Lan was in, I'm shocked no one ever noticed a high suicide rate among the students in the lower forms. And, lest anyone get the idea I don't like Vanyel, I actually love him and The Last Herald-Mage is my favorite trilogy, and I wish it had been long enough to detail all of Van's adventures, instead of just mentioning them in passing! But right up until the end, Van had moments where I really, really wanted to whack him with a two-by-four and yell "Wake up!" Dev ***** "That's it, I ain't takin' no more lip from a statue." http://www.greendragonpress.net/openzines.htm _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free -+AT+-yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 11:40:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Kenneth Allen Hyde To: Misty Lackey List Subject: Brightly Burning spoiler: about Lavan and "brats" Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Charlotte DiStefano wrote: > Lavan, on the other hand, spend his WHOLE life being a whiney little > brat, and refusing to learn to control his gift. If he ever had, he > probably would have been able to save the world and live through it. Actually, this may sound odd, but I rather liked Lavan (I'm almost finished with the book). After all, although he was a reasonably unpleasant person at first (what was with the pseudo-goth thing that Misty seemed to be trying to do?), he seems to have normalized by the middle of the book. As far as his gift goes, he tries to control it, even when that involves putting himself through a lot of emotional stress. The whole point of the narrative, in fact, is that he *can't* control it, not that he won't try. Personally, once he is Chosen and stabilizes a bit, I think he turns out to be a fairly nice person. BTW, has anyone else noticed that, with the exception of Talia, Misty has not really created any teen main characters who weren't whiny and unpleasant (I haven't read her urban elves series, so there might be some exceptions there that I don't know about)? She seems to think that being a teenager means that you have to wander around thinking dark thoughts and whining about how unfair life is to you. That sort of annoys me. I know too many happy, well-adjusted teens who enjoy life to accept the idea that being a teen is the same as being a brat. Heck, as far as that goes, I was a pretty disturbed teen myself, but I never spent much time whining about the unfairness of life, even to myself. Of course, she may think that the maladjusted ones are the only interesting ones, but that might be a mistake. I don't know about other people, but I've pretty much decided to avoid any books she writes with teen characters. I don't have much patience for brats in real life. I certainly don't want to read novels about them, even if they do improve during the course of the novel. May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd Councilor of Mist Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me //www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/prof/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 08:59:07 -0700 From: Gary or Wendy Meuse To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: The difference between cats and dogs Message-ID: <3B49D4CB.E14C7492-+AT+-yellowhead16.net> I like what Winston Churchil said : Dogs look up at you and see their master. Cats look down at you and see their servant. Pigs look you in the eye and see their equal. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 16:58:31 -0000 From: "Molly McAllister" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Cat's in Misty, Companions advice Message-ID: Heyla all, Just doing a quick check in before I head off for another dreaded day at work...sigh. Oh well, I need the money I suppose. >From: "Christi (Malmberg) Koenig" OBMisty - at least in the Valdemar books, >there haven't been any cats that >I can recall, I am going to assume that you meant to say that there haven't been any dogs that you can recall, because there are the fire cats in Storms if you want cats in Valdemar books. >Plus, >they didn't really know that Companions are "divine", and most of them >probably aren't. I just wanted to point out that ALL of the companions were divine sinse they we there by the will of the God that sent them, and all. And I know that the heralds knew this. They all knew the history of how companions came to be, so they new that they were special and sent from God. Just because the weren't grove born doesn't make them not divine. and the knowledge that they are reincarnated heralds doesn't affect their divinity either. They were still there as an aid from whatever God sent them. It would be like saying that the Fire Cats weren't divine. I will also say that on the whole not listening to their Companions bit, there definately were some particularily stupid Heralds out there who wouldn't listen to their Companions. In particular I am thinking of the Herald in Magics Promise who thought that Chost was a demon and was whipping him. I suppose that the only excuse for that it that Heralds are human, and come in all types, including stupid, or unwilling to listen to advice. Although, he did have a weak bond with his companion, he sould have been able to see what his actions were doing to her. Sigh. Oh well. Zhai'hellava, Starshadow* Royal Defender of the Brat She'enedra to Lightsong _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 13:43:26 -0400 From: Matt Neimeyer To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Dog stories (was Cat people/More about Kris) Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010709133920.00a91da8-+AT+-ambriel.youth-guard.org> >OBMisty - at least in the Valdemar books, there haven't been any cats that >I can recall, although I think the kyree are dog-like in some regards, as >well as Kerowyn's messenger-dogs. What about the Sun Priest's Fire cats in the Mage Storms books? Not that every priest had a cat like the heralds have companions... but they were there. Being more of a cat person myself this may be obvious but I thought they were good characters. Although I did think that it was a bit of a plot cheat. We can't use magic to do anything BUT lets just insert a mystical cat with the abilities that allow us to do the important stuff you couldn't do with magic. Matt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 11:14:34 -0700 From: "Devin Alicia Harris" To: Subject: Stupid Heralds Message-ID: <00cb01c108a3$0387afc0$cc811c0c-+AT+-computer> ----- Original Message ----- From: Molly McAllister > I will also say that on the whole not listening to their Companions bit, > there definately were some particularily stupid Heralds out there who > wouldn't listen to their Companions. In particular I am thinking of the > Herald in Magics Promise who thought that Chost was a demon and was whipping > him. I suppose that the only excuse for that it that Heralds are human, and > come in all types, including stupid, or unwilling to listen to advice. > Although, he did have a weak bond with his companion, he sould have been > able to see what his actions were doing to her. Sigh. Oh well. I thought Companions were supposed to "weed out" the unsuitable, which I would think would include Heralds too stupid or stubborn to see what's going on past their own nose. If nothing else, I'd expect all those years of training to get the brain cells going! Sometimes, you have to wonder how these people got Chosen, and how they got through the Collegium, given how much work *that* is supposed to be. Ah, well, I suppose if some Companions didn't choose morons, things would be boring... Dev ***** "That's it, I ain't takin' no more lip from a statue." http://www.greendragonpress.net/openzines.htm _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free -+AT+-yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 18:28:20 From: "Layla Voll" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Cat people....was More about Kris Message-ID: Dogs in Misty I think there are hunting dogs, and presumably there are also livestock herding dogs: I'm pretty sure that the boar hunt in "By the Sword" included hunting dogs. I wonder if Valdemar hasn’t gotten to the point yet where you could afford to have truly "useless" animals -- that is, dogs and cats who serve no other purpose than to be a domestic pet. Does anyone know when the domestic pet concept started in Western culture? I don't count cats in Egypt because I'm pretty sure they had religious significance as well. Cats in fantasy There was a panel on fantasy writing at a convention once where the participants were asked for general rules applicable to all fantasy, and one of the few they could come up with was that you couldn’t harm cats. You could hurt dogs, children, and baby seals, but if you hurt a cat, you apparently lost your audience right there. Tourists It's okay: Americans can hate American tourists, too. I live in New York City and work in the SoHo/Greenwich Village area, and I often have this conversation: Tourist: Where is the Village? Me: Um... you’re standing in it. Tourist [blank look, silence, confers with the other tourists]: I mean the cool part. My response varies, of course, from the polite (well, are you looking for body piercing or live music?) to the brush off (oh, yeah, you go two blocks up and turn right) to the rude (I can't tell you where it is if you don't already know.) I have the feeling they prefer the rude responses (Vern, you would not *believe* what this New Yorker said to us!) Layla _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 12:07:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "Li'nia Stormdancer" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Cats & Dogs... Message-ID: <20010709190756.68688.qmail-+AT+-web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Heyla List-Sibs! --- "Christi (Malmberg) Koenig" wrote: > OBMisty - at least in the Valdemar books, there > haven't been any cats that I can recall, although I >think the kyree are dog-like in some regards, as > well as Kerowyn's messenger-dogs. Okies! If you want to see cats involved in Valdemar books, try reading the "Storms" Trilogy. There are creatures called "fire-cats" in there, and I think you'll enjoy the role they play. I found them to be every inch what cats tend to be, though... (Okay, admittedly, there's really only one we get to know, but...). I don't want to say anymore, since I don't want to spoil it for you! On the subject of cats and dogs... BTW, has anyone seen the movie "Cats & Dogs"? I found it to be rather hilarious, but since it's OUR interpretation of how cats and dogs behave, it's not very accurate. But, it does portray how we percieve them very well. I personally am a cat person, although I have found a few dogs that I love. Most dogs take an instant dislike to me, however, and it does spoil whatever nice feelings I may have felt about them. I think that authors write about them because they tend to be individuals, rather than pack animals, and they do their own thing. They also tend to display more personality than dogs do. (My family always owned dogs, so I've spent most of my life around them, and the few cats we owned tended to have more personality.) Since dogs tend to "follow the leader", I think it makes sense that authors would want an animal that tends to think for itself as their subjects. But, that's just IMOHO... ===== ---<---<---<----+AT+- Li'nia Stormdancer -+AT+---->--->--->--- Peon to the Powers That Be, Goddess of All Things Possessed, & Caretaker of the Arena of Discussion and Dissention __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 21:46:23 +0100 From: "Liz Hoffman" To: Subject: Re: I'm back, tourists, dogs, and lifebonds Message-ID: <009301c108b8$3825f1a0$deb87ad5-+AT+-oemcomputer> Cariad said > On Dogs: > I would reccomend to "mature" dog-lovers Robin McKinley's "Deerskin"...the dogs there are quite important....I added the "mature" because unlike some of her works, it's not a book for children - at least according to the library... I'll second that one and add that the libraries right, its definitely an adults book. Sort of a re-writing of donkeyskin and that isn't kid suitable. On the cat front I thought that the reason Altra gave for it being Firecats not Firedogs that Vkandis created was that cats can go anywhere and be unnoticed. And come to think of it wouldn't a dog wandering round loose get loads of attention where I guess I'd expect a cat to be in allsorts of places including the ones it shouldn't be in so to speak. Did that make sense? Liz Ok, I confess I'm a catless cat lover. So sad that I was just conned by the neighbourhood cat into going out and stroking her, all she did was sit and meow outside the window. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 16:49:56 -0500 From: "Christi (Malmberg) Koenig" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Cat's in Misty, Companions advice Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20010709163048.01e3f820-+AT+-aranya.com-+AT+-mail2.nsiweb.com> At 06:56 PM 7/9/01 +0100, you wrote: >Heyla all, > Just doing a quick check in before I head off for another dreaded day at >work...sigh. Oh well, I need the money I suppose. > > >From: "Christi (Malmberg) Koenig" OBMisty - at least in the Valdemar books, > >there haven't been any cats that > >I can recall, > >I am going to assume that you meant to say that there haven't been any dogs >that you can recall, because there are the fire cats in Storms if you want >cats in Valdemar books. Oh crap. Yes, I meant to say cats, but I remember the Firecats now. It's just that I've only read the "Storms" books once, whereas I've read Arrows and Vanyel umpteen times over. Shame on me. I actually only own the first one, I think. Need to go to Walden and finish out the set. Dogs - I consider Warrl to be vaguely dog-like, although I know Tarma said at one point that he was more similar to large plains cats (retractable claws, etc.), but their lifestyle seems more pack-oriented and dog-like. Also Kero's messenger-dogs, and whatever one-line mentions there have been of hunting dogs, etc. > >Plus, > >they didn't really know that Companions are "divine", and most of them > >probably aren't. > >I just wanted to point out that ALL of the companions were divine sinse they >we there by the will of the God that sent them, and all. And I know that >the heralds knew this. They all knew the history of how companions came to >be, so they new that they were special and sent from God. Just because the >weren't grove born doesn't make them not divine. and the knowledge that >they are reincarnated heralds doesn't affect their divinity either. They >were still there as an aid from whatever God sent them. It would be like >saying that the Fire Cats weren't divine. Well, I guess "divine" is the wrong word to use. Yeah, Companions are "divine" as in "sent by a higher power." But they aren't *omniscient* or *infalliable*, which most people believe that gods & other divine beings are, and imply with "divine"-ness. That's how I was using "divine", I should have used another word. I believe it was Vanyel's ghost who told Elspeth, Darkwind, and group that just because Gwena was Grove-born, she (Gwena) thought that she wasn't infalliable, regarding the whole "Grand Destiny" idea that Gwena tried to force on Elspeth. I have the impression that Firecats are seen as being more "divine" in that sense, although that could be from the fact that there are fewer Firecats than there are Companions. Grove-born Companions, in addition to the extra lifespan, may be more intelligent/omniscient, or that may just be a side effect of living longer and experiencing more. >I will also say that on the whole not listening to their Companions bit, >there definately were some particularily stupid Heralds out there who >wouldn't listen to their Companions. In particular I am thinking of the >Herald in Magics Promise who thought that Chost was a demon and was whipping >him. I suppose that the only excuse for that it that Heralds are human, and >come in all types, including stupid, or unwilling to listen to advice. >Although, he did have a weak bond with his companion, he sould have been >able to see what his actions were doing to her. Sigh. Oh well. That goes back to what I am trying to remember about Companions not butting into their Chosens' lives. I *wish* I could remember where that part is. Maybe it was Dirk and his Companion, on the trip to the border to meet Kris and Talia. I'll have to find that if I get time. Anyway, I don't think it's so much *not listening to* their Companions in most cases (the Lores & Jenna thing aside), as it is that the Companions believe in the free will of their Chosens, and that they have to live their own lives and make their own mistakes. The dingbat from Magic's Promise is Herald Lores, who apparently didn't have much in the way of Mindspeaking, he says his Gift is Fetching, and "I don't Mindspeak even with her, much." And I guess I'd give him a little leeway for being in the situation he was in, but not much leeway. And after he realized what sort of shape Jenna was in, he did come to his senses so to speak. And I do recall all the Companions standing up to the Heralds when Jisa and Treven got married, and again I think when Elspeth wanted to be the one to go on the search for mages and training for Mage-Gift. Have to look that up too if I get a chance. Well, back to work. And it's only Monday. Christi >Zhai'hellava, > Starshadow* > Royal Defender of the Brat > She'enedra to Lightsong >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 18:38:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Kenneth Allen Hyde To: Misty Lackey List Subject: Re: Cat people....was More about Kris Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Layla Voll wrote: > It's okay: Americans can hate American tourists, too. And lest we forget, the hordes of tourists from other countries who come to the US. Every country in the world produces some absolutely frightful tourists. =) And of course, every country seems to produce some absolutely frightful natives to be rude to the tourists (oddly enough, the people who depend on tourism for their livelihoods tend to be more likely to be in this group). =) Fortunately, every country also seems to produce nice tourists and nice natives to balance out the frightful ones. =) ObMisty: hmmm. Does Elspeth count as the first tourist in Velgarth? =) She went to exotic new lands, visited with quaint cultures, and even brought back souvenirs (a cute Hawkbrother, for example). May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd Councilor of Mist Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me //www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/prof/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 00:03:56 From: "Rebecca McAllister" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Cat people....was More about Kris Message-ID: Cennydd Wrote: > Does Elspeth count as the first tourist in Velgarth? =) >She went to exotic new lands, visited with quaint cultures, and even >brought back souvenirs (a cute Hawkbrother, for example). > >May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, > Actually Wouldn't the first tourist would Savil. She did the same thing that Elspeth did, only a couple hundred years earlier. She even brought back souviniers too. Mind you not a cute Hawkbrother, which would have been MY first chioce, but she did bring back masks and stuff. Becca -Lady of all titleless entities (see, now I have a title) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 18:04:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Silvershadow To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Cat people....was More about Kris Message-ID: <20010710010421.25296.qmail-+AT+-web4503.mail.yahoo.com> Actually she DID bring back a cute hawkbrother.. Two actually. In Magic's Price when they also became Tourists and Visited Forst reach. But if you REALLY want to get technical about it then wasn't it the people in the Gryphon books that when to the black Kings citys (fogive me, it's been atleast year since I've read them adn can't remember ANY names) that would have been the first tourists? ===== Zhai'hellava ~Silvershadow~ Chocobo of Legend Wielder of the Sacred SPOON __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 18:55:36 -0700 From: mclouds-+AT+-cc.wwu.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Stupid Heralds and Levan Message-ID: <3B4A6098.71804ED3-+AT+-cc.wwu.edu> Devin Alicia Harris wrote: > I thought Companions were supposed to "weed out" the unsuitable, which I would > think would include Heralds too stupid or stubborn to see what's going on past > their own nose. > Ah, well, I suppose if some Companions didn't choose morons, things would be > boring... Possibly there wasn't much of a choice. Valdemar is a relatively tiny country. You've got to find someone with both the Mind-Gift development and the Heart of a Herald. Even that blockhead Herald Loris was a genuinely decent guy (the guy who mistook a Companion for a demon). Maybe the draft pool was small that decade. And as for Levan S P O I L E R I liked him more BEFORE he was Chosen, than after. I thought he became more self-aborbed and less personable. And I blame (heresy on the way) his Companion. I totally think she let her feelings for Levan color her perception and not give him the long talking to he needed. Vanyel (my favorite) had his own set of problems, but Yfandes showed him what a bugger he was being on more than one occasion. Would she have let Vanyel get away with not thanking his friend from school? (who utterly falls out of the story) Or not alert him to the fact that at least there was some kind of problem between him and the Herald's daughter? Maybe he would have straightened up or maybe he would have become another Herald Loris. Cheers! Scott McLoud- Man of Vegas (in a week) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 19:04:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Sarah Scrivano To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Cat people....was More about Kris Message-ID: <20010710020435.39334.qmail-+AT+-web11003.mail.yahoo.com> --- Silvershadow wrote: > Actually she DID bring back a cute hawkbrother.. Two > actually. In Magic's Price when they also became > Tourists and Visited Forst reach. But if you REALLY > want to get technical about it then wasn't it the > people in the Gryphon books that when to the black > Kings citys (fogive me, it's been atleast year > since > I've read them adn can't remember ANY names) that > would have been the first tourists? > > > > ===== > Zhai'hellava > > ~Silvershadow~ > Chocobo of Legend > Wielder of the Sacred SPOON > If I remember the series correctly, they weren't tourists, they were settlers. Big difference. :) Hi all!---Sarah S. > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 20:28:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Silvershadow To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Cat people....was More about Kris Message-ID: <20010710032846.17013.qmail-+AT+-web4505.mail.yahoo.com> --- Sarah Scrivano wrote: > > > If I remember the series correctly, they weren't > tourists, they were settlers. Big difference. :) > > Hi all!---Sarah S. > > __________________________________________________ Not at first I don't think, they were exploring or got dragged there or something. My memory is faulty on it though, I've just been steeped in the last hearld mage books so I can't think much past those at preasent. ^_~ ===== Zhai'hellava ~Silvershadow~ Chocobo of Legend Wielder of the Sacred SPOON __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:58:02 +1200 (NZST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Sheridan=20Hoy?= To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Misty web site Message-ID: <20010710075802.28876.qmail-+AT+-web11006.mail.yahoo.com> Heyla listsibs, I know there is a web site out there that sells Misty books, music, etc., and I am going mad trying to remember it - could anyone put me out of my misery please and let me know what it is! Many thanks ;) BTW, does anyone know anything about a book called Takes a Thief, so something like that? Is came up on Amazon as a Misty book, but I haven't heard of it! Also (and I know I have asked this question before), are there any storied about the Weaponsmaster from Talia's time - whose name escapes me! tamlin PS I had a Burning Brightly question, but I can't remember what it is - I would forget my head if it wasn't screwed on! I am enjoying it so far though! _____________________________________________________________________________ http://messenger.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Messenger - Voice chat, mail alerts, stock quotes and favourite news and lots more! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 03:42:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "Li'nia Stormdancer" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Braid: Website/Tourists/Lavan... Message-ID: <20010710104238.21112.qmail-+AT+-web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Heyla List-Sibs! > I know there is a web site out there that sells > Misty books, music, etc., and I am going mad trying >to remember it - could anyone put me out of my misery > please and let me know what it is! Many thanks ;) The website is www.firebirdarts.com. They sell all sorts of Misty-stuff, and they also have some letters sent out by her regarding her feelings on conventions and the whole Di Tregarde issue. > BTW, does anyone know anything about a book called > Takes a Thief, so something like that? Is came up on > Amazon as a Misty book, but I haven't heard of it! > Also (and I know I have asked this question before), > are there any storied about the Weaponsmaster from > Talia's time - whose name escapes me! Last question first... There is a story about Alberich in "Werehunters"... I think it's called "Stolen Silver" or something... And as for the second book, isn't that the title of the upcoming book about Skif? Or is my wishful thinking just running away with my memory??? lol >If I remember the series correctly, they weren't >tourists, they were settlers. Big difference. :) Actually, when they went to the court of the Hai'leigh (sp? don't have books with me!) they were more in the way of tourists. Granted, they had to explain what they were doing on the Black King's ground, but they were treated as a delegation of ambassadors, and they were doing the tourist-y things... "Brightly Burning" spoiler about Lavan... S P O I L E R >I liked him more BEFORE he was Chosen, than after. I >thought he became more self-aborbed and less >personable. And I blame (heresy on the way) his >Companion. I totally think she let her feelings for >Levan color her perception and not give him the long >talking to he needed. Vanyel (my favorite) >had his own set of problems, but Yfandes showed him >what a bugger he was being on more than one >occasion. Would she have let Vanyel get away with >not thanking his friend from school? (who utterly >falls out of the story) Or not alert him to the >fact that at least there was some kind of problem >between him and the Herald's daughter? >Maybe he would have straightened up or maybe he would >have become another Herald Loris. Personally, I liked Lavan over-all. And I don't think that Kalira did a horrible job with her Chosen. Yfandes wasn't lifebonded with Vanyel, although she did help straighten him out when his Gifts went haywire (okay, were blasted open! lol). Kalira had to actually control Lavan, since his Gift was so strong and so prone to going out of control. In his defense, he did try, but I think Kalira did take the brunt of the burden of control from him (hence the spectacular ending). And because of her lifebond, might she not have been rendered a little "blind" in seeing how things were going between Lavan and the Herald's daughter? After all, Companions aren't 'all-knowing', and since humans make mistakes like that, and Companions are really just the same spirits in a different form, it's feasible for them to make those same mistakes. Sorry if I butchered Lavan's Companion's name, but I don't have the books with me, although I WILL be buying the paperback version in a very short time... (It's in pb here in the US...)... Oh, and also sorry that I didn't include the original sender's names on these replies... Stupid deleting fingers!!! ===== ---<---<---<----+AT+- Li'nia Stormdancer -+AT+---->--->--->--- Peon to the Powers That Be, Goddess of All Things Possessed, & Caretaker of the Arena of Discussion and Dissention __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:23:40 -0000 From: "Sanne Hoogerwerf" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Braid: Website/Tourists/Lavan... Message-ID: Hi, >From: "Li'nia Stormdancer" >Last question first... There is a story about Alberich >in "Werehunters"... I think it's called "Stolen >Silver" or something... And as for the second book, >isn't that the title of the upcoming book about Skif? >Or is my wishful thinking just running away with my >memory??? lol Your memory is fine: it IS the title of the upcoming book about Skif, hardcover planned in October. I thought the next Valdemar book would be about what happened to Alberich before he was chosen. Warm sticky sheep to all, Sanne. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2635 **********************************