MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2636 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Stupid Heralds by RachaelPoet-+AT+-aol.com 2) Re: Lavan vs Vanyel, Brightly Burning spoiler by SEANSQ-+AT+-aol.com 3) Dogs in Misty, Whiney teenagers by "tntgray" 4) Draft Pool... by "Li'nia Stormdancer" 5) Re: Totally off topic by LunaDrkwd-+AT+-aol.com 6) Re: Brightly Burning spoiler: about Lavan and "brats" by "Moonstalker59-+AT+-excite.com" 7) Heralds and Companions by "Layla Voll" 8) Takes a Theif by "Molly McAllister" 9) Re: [Misty web site] by ARM 10) RE: Draft Pool... by "Dionne, Judith" 11) Re: Lavan vs Vanyel, Brightly Burning spoiler by "Lorna Appleby" 12) Re: [Misty web site] by RachaelPoet-+AT+-aol.com 13) Re: Heralds and Companions by Kenneth Allen Hyde 14) Re: Heralds and Companions by "Lorna Appleby" 15) Re: Lavan vs Vanyel, Brightly Burning spoiler by Silvershadow 16) Re: Cats & Dogs... by Kasebones-+AT+-cs.com 17) Re: Lavan vs Vanyel, Brightly Burning spoiler by Matt Neimeyer 18) Re: Lavan vs Vanyel, Brightly Burning spoiler by "Lorna Appleby" 19) Re: [Misty web site]and Mistyakes by Amy Kerry ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:26:28 EDT From: RachaelPoet-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Stupid Heralds Message-ID: --part1_a6.1677310c.287c78a4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Devin Alicia Harris wrote: > I thought Companions were supposed to "weed out" the unsuitable, which I=20 would > think would include Heralds too stupid or stubborn to see what's going on=20 past > their own nose. > Ah, well, I suppose if some Companions didn't choose morons, things would=20= be > boring... Possibly there wasn't much of a choice.=A0 Valdemar is a relatively tiny=20 country. You've got to find someone with both the Mind-Gift development and the Heart= =20 of a Herald.=A0 Even that blockhead Herald Loris was a genuinely decent guy (th= e=20 guy who mistook a Companion for a demon).=A0 Maybe the draft pool was small that decade. =A0 =A0 *****Didn't Companions also go out of Valdemar to find their Herald'= s?=20 Alberich was from Karse and he was chosen, if I remember correctly he was=20 chosen while he was inside Karse. Rachael --part1_a6.1677310c.287c78a4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Devin Alicia Harris wrote:

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         Rachael --part1_a6.1677310c.287c78a4_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 12:41:31 EDT From: SEANSQ-+AT+-aol.com To: Subject: Re: Lavan vs Vanyel, Brightly Burning spoiler Message-ID: >>>Lavan, on the other hand, spend his WHOLE life being a whiney little brat, and refusing to learn to control his gift. If he ever had, he probably would have been able to save the world and live through it. As it was, he basically saved the world by accident...he lost control, and the result of that is what saved everyone. Anyway, that's just my two-cents on the matter!<<< I don't agree. There was no indication that anyone except Lavan's companion could control his gift. None of the other Heralds had ever seen the gift before and had no idea how to teach him to control it. When she was killed by the Karsites, I think it was like a dam breaking. Not only that but I think he didn't have the complete training that Herald trainees received because of the war and the need for his gift. (Don't have the book at work). I don't remember any reference to more than one Winter Festival and I'm sure the trainees received more than 1 year of training. Meg Councilor of Mist ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 12:25:39 -0500 From: "tntgray" To: Subject: Dogs in Misty, Whiney teenagers Message-ID: <001901c10965$58ca89e0$7a563e3f-+AT+-pavilion> Layla Said: > Dogs in Misty > I think there are hunting dogs, and presumably there are also livestock > herding dogs: I'm pretty sure that the boar hunt in "By the Sword" included > hunting dogs. IIRC, Vanyel's Mother had her useless lap dog. And I think there was another reference to useless lap dogs and/or comparing people to them at some other point. ************** As for whiney teenagers: Even in the Urban Fantasy books most teenagers are either cruel or whiney. (Notable exception is Joe and Tannim, although Tannim does have his complaints, but they are usually health related). Most children are non entities or very noble, near adults (The ghost child, Amanda and Jamie in Wheels of Fire). Rune from the Lark and the Wren, had a couple of whiney moments, but fell more into the Noble, Near Adult (Hereafter know as NNA). Lets see... Black Gryphon, Skan was boastful and whiney by turns Silver Gryphon, The cubs are NE White Gryphon, They were whiney Last Herald Mage, Vanyel was whiney, Lendel was NNA and whiney by turns, Stephen was Whiney and NNA by turns, the child in the forest with the bandits was NNA/NE, Vanyel's cousins and siblings are mostly NE/ bullies, except his sister who is NNA Brightly Burning, Lavan was whiney with NNA at the end, the girl was NNA, the other kids were whiney, bullies, NE Oath Books, Tarma is NNA, Kethry is NNA By the Sword, Kerowyn is whiney as a child and NNA by turns Queen's Own, Talia was NNA, Elspeth was NE/Whiney, Kris was Whiney, Skif was NNA, realize that these only apply when they are children/teens, the blues were NE/Bullies Mage Winds, Elspeth, Skiff and Darkwind were all whiney teenagers, the Gryph kids were NE, Nyara was NNA, Firesong....need I say more? *grin* Mage Storms, Karal was NNA, Natalia was a whiney teenager, Andesha, serious whiney, Firesong...need I say more? *giggle*, The blues are all NNA now. Owl Books, Darien is definitely whiney, his romantic interest is also whiney and NNA by turns, her sister is NNA, the barbarian kid was NNA Children of the Night, The vampires teens were whiney Jinx High, A large collection of whiney teens Burning Water, I don't recall any teens or kids in that one Sacred Ground, the kids are NE and NNA The Black Swan, Odette was NNA, the princesses were whiney/NE The Fire Rose, No kids but she could be classified as NNA The Fire Bird, NNA, the wench was whiney The little stand alone novella, which I can't remember the name, She was NNA, had her whiney moments though Beldam Boyz, The girl was NNA, with only a touch of whiney, the rest of the teens were whiney/bullies Bedlam Bardz, Eric was a class A whiner (I think a good comparison could be made between him, Lavan and Vanyel), Beth was a pretty good whiner too. Born to Run, The girl was whiney, the other teens were whiney/jaded Wheels of Fire, Al was whiney (okay so he's not a teen), Jamie and Amanda were NNA, Joe was NNA When the Bough Breaks, The little girl was NNA/NE Chrome Circle, Sharra is whiney/Bully (and she should be old enough to know better), Joe is still NNA Bardic Voices, Rune was NNA, There were no other kids as far as I recall Bardic Choices, no kids/teens as far as I remember Bards Tales, The teens were definitely whiney/ or Bully Elven Born Saga, the teens are bully/whiney, I think Shadow is the only NNA, The wench, whose name I can't recall, becomes NNA Wing Commander, has no kids or teens I haven't read Reap the Whirlwind, Serpent's Shadow or The Ship who Searched/Sang/ Whatever, so I don't have any opinions on them. Overall, it does seem that Misty doesn't know what to do with teens, except to make them whine or make them very noble. But, if you are looking at the story, conflict is what makes a story interesting. So, nice well adjusted teens make fine NPC's but not main protagonists, unless you torture them, which then usually makes them NNA. I also wonder how much of our perceptions are based on the fact that we are told what their ages are? There are plenty of Whiney adults in ML literature as well, are they less annoying? Or do you want them to "grow up". If you are grown up, are you expected not to feel upset or complain about your circumstances? I think a good part of our perceptions are also based on the fact that as readers, we hear their thoughts, the things they hold inside, so have more of a chance to judge. If you look at Vanyel as an adult, he still seems to be whining allot. But in actuality, he only whines to Yfandes and occasionally Savil, both people he feels very comfortable with. Other people see him as the non-complaining hero of the border, a figure to be worshipped and sighed over, not a whiney person. But because we hear his thoughts, we get his fears, his worries and his lack of self-confidence, so he appears to continue to be whiney. I don't think that Randale would have trusted so strongly in a "whiney" person to be an ambassador to foreign counties and on the war borders. Lavan was never given time to grow up, he was only 16 when he died on the border, he again, didn't complain/whine to other people, only to himself and his companion. So again the perceptions are because we hear his thoughts. Is this one of the foibles of writing in first person? I think so. Lots of hot air to your wings, sibs, Dax the Eternal, Goddess of Elves and Unicorns, Councilor of Mist, Knight of Fluff Evangelist of Low Humor, Mistic Watcher of Continuity NewbieFest: http://www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/pers/misty/newbiefest.html Zone: http://elfwood.lysator.liu.se/zone47/artists/tiffanie2/tiffanie2.html Loth: http://elfwood.lysator.liu.se/lothlorien/artists/tiffanie/tiffanie.html Library: http://elfwood.lysator.liu.se/library/writers/tiff/tiff.html "Artists are the people among us who realize creation didn't stop on the sixth day." (Joel Witkin) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:48:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "Li'nia Stormdancer" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Draft Pool... Message-ID: <20010710174835.80371.qmail-+AT+-web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Heyla List-Sibs! --- RachaelPoet-+AT+-aol.com wrote: >Maybe the draft pool was small that decade. Didn't >Companions also go out of Valdemar to find their >Herald? Alberich was from Karse and he was chosen, >if I remember correctly he was chosen while he was >inside Karse. You're right, Alberich was Chosen while he was still in Karse. I don't want to spoil the story for those who haven't read it yet, buy the actual telling of his being Chosen is told in "Werehunter". Which brings up another silly thought... I wonder how many new Heralds came about as a result of Kero and her Company helping out Valdemar. I mean, Darin was Chosen, Kero was Chosen... Their coming definetely opened up the pool of prospective Heralds, didn't it? And obviously, with Alberich already being there, Heralds didn't HAVE to come from Valdemar. Makes me also wonder HOW the Companions know where and when to look for their Chosen... I guess I could just chalk it up to "divine influence" or something, but it does make me wonder... I must have too much free time on my hands today or something... lol ===== ---<---<---<----+AT+- Li'nia Stormdancer -+AT+---->--->--->--- Peon to the Powers That Be, Goddess of All Things Possessed, & Caretaker of the Arena of Discussion and Dissention __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:28:05 EDT From: LunaDrkwd-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Totally off topic Message-ID: <98.175fe350.287ca335-+AT+-aol.com> ::de-lurking:: I just looked up Take a Thief, it is the new hardcover due out in october...416 pages. From local rumor it is supposed to be Skiffs story should be pretty interesting. ::grin:: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:28:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "Moonstalker59-+AT+-excite.com" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Brightly Burning spoiler: about Lavan and "brats" Message-ID: <513700.994789725333.JavaMail.imail-+AT+-scorch.excite.com> Hoorah!!!! lots of list activity!!!! everyone's awake again after the winter!!! Heyla all :) i'm slightly hyper today (mainly through lack of sleep, though why that should make me hyper?!?) so please bear with me while i ramble and stuff. ***FLUFF*** Moonstalker surveys the huge crowd of newbies who have de-lurked to make themselves known on the list... "well... i don't know if my bucket is big enough but we'll have a try anyways" she brings out the Enchanted Buckey #2 TM and ~~~~~ SPLOOSH ~~~~~ before they have time to dodge the newbies are covered with well-wished water. "Gotcha!! welcome all newbies to the MLML (aka the assylum for the terminally misty obsessed) i hope you enjoy your time in the halls of mist! but please try not to clutter up the arena of discussion with HTML tags or too much quoted text (see Auntie Mel's Rules of Thumb for more info) or you may see our wonderful caretaker waving her broom/mop at you!" and an extra big ~~~~~~SPLOOSH~~~~~~~ to all the oldies who have resurfaced to join in the discussion... hope you keep de-lurked! ***END FLUFF*** ObMisty: On Tourists: I didn't get into the Gryphons really but iirc then they were forced out of their home - which makes them settlers/refugees rather than tourists doesn't it? In LHM someone mentions that Savil will take 'Lendel and Van to meet the hawkbrothers when 'Lendel gets his whites... i cant remember if any reason was given as to why she was going to do that. On Vanyel + Lavan: Okay so i'm a die hard Vanyel fan but i really did like Lavan as well. I do think the relationship/lifebond between Lan and Kalira (sp?) made things a lot harder for him and would have given K a blind spot to lan's mistakes which she may have done something about. I also think that it's easier to write about an unbalanced person rather than an everything's-going-well person but that's just me... :) Cennydd (i think) pointed out that misty seems to portray all teens as self obsessed brats (with the exception of Talia whose upbringing was such that she matured a lot faster) ooh yes here's what he said > SNIP Misty has not really created any teen main characters who weren't whiny > and unpleasant SNIP She seems to think that being a teenager means that you > have to wander around thinking dark thoughts and whining about how unfair > life is to you. (i'm 16 and i hope i'm not whining and unpleasant [at least not all the time]) Oh and Cennydd als sums up what i think of Lan > Personally, once he is Chosen and stabilizes a bit, I think he turns out to > be a fairly nice person. Someone said something about the Skif book being released in October? is this true? are the rumours substantiated? because i really really want to hear about Skif... almost as much as i want Misty to write about Kris and Dirk before Talia got her Whites. in one book or other is says something about them being ... spies? or assassins? i'd like to know more about this!!!! and now i've written what appears to be a post of exponential proportions (at least for me anyway!!) so i'll go now. Soft sheep shaped pillows for those who need sleep and towel shaped sheep for the newbies (and oldies) that were caught in the Enchanted Bucket #2 TM! Zhai'helleva Moonstalker :) She'enedra to Brynn Carrier of the Enchanted Bucket #2 TM "Friends, however distant, are always present." - Cicero _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:50:46 From: "Layla Voll" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Heralds and Companions Message-ID: I think there are two different Herald/Companion conversations in "Arrows Fall." One is Kris talking with Tantris on their trip to Hardorn about why things went so badly when he and Talia returned to Haven. It's interesting: it seems as if Companions regularly lead their Heralds through some self-reflection when they have the chance, because it's the same kind of conversation Yfandes often has with Vanyel. Anyway, they discuss the fact that Kris had let things get out of hand with Dirk because he simply hadn’t been paying attention, because he'd been so pleased with himself at his successful training tour. And at the end Kris says, jeez, you could have pointed all of that out when it was happening, and Tantris says, no, you know very well we have to wait for you to ask us -- how do you think Arodhie felt with her Chosen [Dirk] making such a hash of things, and obviously not consulting her. Later on, when Dirk and Elspeth are traveling to the border to try to meet up with Kris and Talia, Elspeth and Dirk (with some help from Arodhie) get into a much more theoretical discussion about why the Companions can’t volunteer information. Dirk leaves it for Elspeth to think about, but the implication is that the Lady didn’t give Valdemar the Companions so that the Companions could tell everyone what to do; She gave them to Valdemar so that her children could learn how to figure out what to do on their own. Christi writes: >I always seems odd to me how quite often, people don't listen to their >companions opinion of people…. Examples are Elspeths trust in >Orthallen to set her up with boys, even though her companion dis likes >them, and the queens trust for Orthalled. again Her compnaion doesn't like >him either, yet she considers him one of her closest advisors. And then >there is the big Doosy of Talia tellig Kris that His Uncle was behind >rumors about him, AND HE DIDN'T BELIEVE HER! What is with that. I mean shes >a herald, not just a Herald, but an Empath. If someone was unsavory, she >would know! I think all of those are examples where the Herald wasn't actually consulting the Companion. I don't think Elspeth actually asked Gwena what she thought about Orthallen: I think she just didn’t tell her, because she may also have figured that Gwena might not have thought she was ready for boys, period. And she may have been right in general about Gwena's romantic advice -- didn't she want Elspeth to get together with Skif? As for Kris discounting what Talia said about his uncle -- Talia's not a Companion, and he explains in "Arrow's Fall" that he tended to discount Herald's opinions of his uncle because the Heralds tended to have such strict black and white views of morality (ie, Kris thought Orthallan did have Valdemar's best interests at heart, but also wasn't above getting the personal prestige, and that other Heralds couldn't understand that you could do both). I don’t recall anything saying that Selenay had consulted her Companion directly about Orthallen (it was Alberich's Companion who didn't like him), but she might have felt the same way as Kris -- Orthallen wasn't pure as the driven snow, but as Queen you don’t get to only hang with Heralds. Besides, I don't think Selenay is the best judge of character. She certainly doesn't seem to consult her Companion very often, which is probably why she needs a Queen's Own so badly. After all, two of her Council members turned out to be traitors, and the biggest example is Selanay not trusting her Companion's opinion of her first husband. That was also explained as Selanay being absolutely blinded by her infatuation with him. So Elspeth may also have had a hereditary blind spot regarding ignoring one's Companion's advice in matters of the heart. Starshadow writes: >I will also say that on the whole not listening to their Companions bit, >there definately were some particularily stupid Heralds out there who >wouldn't listen to their Companions.... >I suppose that the only excuse for that it that Heralds are human, and >come in all types, including stupid, or unwilling to listen to advice. There's certainly nothing that says that a Herald -- or even a Companion -- has to be smart, just honorable and decent and incorruptible. I'm thinking of the Herald/Companion pair that Vanyel and Yfandes run into on their way to Forst Reach. The young woman is nice, but not particularly bright, and Van even teases Yfandes about hooking up with a brainless boy toy (those couriers -- all chest and legs, and no brains). >Devin Alicia Harris wrote: > > Possibly there wasn't much of a choice [for potential Heralds] > >Valdemar is a relatively tiny country…. > >Didn't Companions also go out of Valdemar to find their Heralds? >Alberich was from Karse and he was chosen, if I remember correctly he was >chosen while he was inside Karse. > Rachael And Tashir in "Magic's Promise" was from outside Valdemar -- Vanyel has to go through the border guards to get to him. Layla _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:29:09 -0000 From: "Molly McAllister" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Takes a Theif Message-ID: Heyla list-sibs, I just want to say that I am so totally psyched about this. I just hope that it is a little better the Brightly Burning. I must say that I was a little dissapointed by that book, but this one should be great :-) Skif is such a great character (I especially liked him when he was younger.) I wonder if it will go into him meeting Talia. It would be kind of interesting to see that from a different prospective :-) hmmmm..... Better put a hold on that book for the library. > >I just looked up Take a Thief, it is the new hardcover due out in >october...416 pages. From local rumor it is supposed to be Skiffs story >should be pretty interesting. >::grin:: One thing that I didn't like much about Brightly Burning was that it was so short. I think that that story would have been better if it had been a trilogy. I mean, waiting for a trilogy to come out can be painfully slow, but I think that with a legnd like Lavan Firestorm, maybe she could have made the story a little more involved. It seems that It Takes a Theif is going to be a stand alone novel too. Is she giving up doing trilogy's? Anyone know? Well, I am off to go to the store and pick up some pictures :-) Oh, Lightsong, here are some nicely wrapped sheep presents for you fo being sch a neglectful she'enedra. :-) Zhai'hellava, Starshadow* Royal Defender of the Brat She'enedra to Lightsong _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jul 2001 13:40:42 MDT From: ARM To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: [Misty web site] Message-ID: <20010710194042.28572.qmail-+AT+-nwcst280.netaddress.usa.net> Hi, The website you are thinking of is www.firebirdarts.com. Sorry so short. ~Angie Sheridan Hoy wrote: Heyla listsibs, I know there is a web site out there that sells Misty books, music, etc., and I am going mad trying to remember it - could anyone put me out of my misery please and let me know what it is! Many thanks ;) BTW, does anyone know anything about a book called Takes a Thief, so something like that? Is came up on Amazon as a Misty book, but I haven't heard of it! Also (and I know I have asked this question before), are there any storied about the Weaponsmaster from Talia's time - whose name escapes me! tamlin PS I had a Burning Brightly question, but I can't remember what it is - I would forget my head if it wasn't screwed on! I am enjoying it so far though! _____________________________________________________________________________ http://messenger.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Messenger - Voice chat, mail alerts, stock quotes and favourite news and lots more! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:50:58 -0400 From: "Dionne, Judith" To: Subject: RE: Draft Pool... Message-ID: <2CCA5938BD61874BBDFD97AA9B6DAF5C415F30-+AT+-scheexc01.FHS.COM> Heyla gentlebeings. <--->--->--- >> This is an interesting turn of conversation. Myself, I've always figured it to be that somehow the Companion got a message, or an intuition, (maybe a divine order? "Hi, this is God, it's time to go looking for your Chosen, and you'll find them here.....") Companions are magical beings (as described in the first Storms book) so it would seem that they would be able to tell who it is they're looking for. A kind of "power calls to power" thing. <<***FLUFF*** Moonstalker surveys the huge crowd of newbies who have de-lurked to make themselves known on the list... "well... i don't know if my bucket is big enough but we'll have a try anyways" she brings out the Enchanted Buckey #2 TM and ~~~~~ SPLOOSH ~~~~~ before they have time to dodge the newbies are covered with well-wished water. "Gotcha!! welcome all newbies to the MLML (aka the assylum for the terminally misty obsessed) i hope you enjoy your time in the halls of mist! Soft sheep shaped pillows for those who need sleep and towel shaped sheep for the newbies (and oldies) that were caught in the Enchanted Bucket #2 TM! Zhai'helleva Moonstalker :) >> WOA! The water is cold!!!! Hugo ate the sheep before I could towel off......... Hugo says "thanks!" to all of you for the snacks you have provided. It's a tough job guarding my desk. Ciocia Judi, Mistress of StyxJam III The Polish Blonde in Worcester AND Rabid Styx Fan of Central Massachusetts Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:38:55 -0700 From: "Lorna Appleby" To: Subject: Re: Lavan vs Vanyel, Brightly Burning spoiler Message-ID: <017501c10980$56990fa0$f201a8c0-+AT+-backtalk.org> >I don't agree. There was no indication that anyone except Lavan's companion >could control his gift. None of the other Heralds had ever seen the gift before >and had no idea how to teach him to control it. They kept on saying that no one had seen Lavan's gift before, but his *teacher* had fire-fetching or whatever you want to call it. More accurate to say would be none of the heralds had the gift to such a *degree* before.. I've noticed Misty contradicting herself more and more in her recent books.. It's like she's been writing for the sake of writing more than the love of craft and just isn't paying as much attention or doesn't have the world in her head while she's writing.. -Lorna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:56:06 EDT From: RachaelPoet-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: [Misty web site] Message-ID: --part1_c.184666bf.287cc5e6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just to let everyone know you can go to this site www.audiogalaxy.com and download all of Mercedes Lackey's music, I just did it today and it's awesome. Right now I'm listening to "Sun and Shadow" Just though everyone would want to know. **Sorry about the html but I have no idea how to turn it off!** Rachael --part1_c.184666bf.287cc5e6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just to let everyone know you can go to this site www.audiogalaxy.com and
download all of Mercedes Lackey's music, I just did it today and it's
awesome. Right now I'm listening to "Sun and Shadow" Just though everyone
would want to know.

**Sorry about the html but I have no idea how to turn it off!**

Rachael --part1_c.184666bf.287cc5e6_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:39:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Kenneth Allen Hyde To: Misty Lackey List Subject: Re: Heralds and Companions Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Layla Voll wrote: > It's interesting: it seems as if Companions regularly lead their > Heralds through some self-reflection when they have the chance, > because it's the same kind of conversation Yfandes often has with > Vanyel. Of course, this would be completely counter to their "you know we have to wait for you to ask" credo. After all, this sort of thing sounds a lot like a combination of targeted psychotherapy and "leading the witness" (however benign). > Dirk leaves it for Elspeth to think about, but the implication is that > the Lady didn’t give Valdemar the Companions so that the Companions > could tell everyone what to do; She gave them to Valdemar so that her > children could learn how to figure out what to do on their own. One crucial point here is that we don't know that the Lady (I assume you are talking about the Star-Eyed Goddess of the Shina'a'in) sent the Companions. As far as we know, they were sent by all the Gods (at least, all the ones that Baron Valdemar had ever heard of). Of course, that might be another reason for the limitations placed on Companions. If they were sent by a committee, they may be bound by all sorts of procedural rules that exist to protect the interests of various individual Gods and Goddesses. After all, if only the Star-Eyed were involved, there would be no explanation for the "non-interference" thing. She *likes* to interfere, apparently. And V'Kandis certainly has been known to take a very personal and direct interest in the doings of his worshippers, whether they ask for him to do so or not. =) On the other hand, perhaps there were other deities who felt strongly that interfering in human affairs was wrong. Perhaps the limitations on Companions were a compromise? May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd Councilor of Mist Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me //www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/prof/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:42:06 -0700 From: "Lorna Appleby" To: Subject: Re: Heralds and Companions Message-ID: <026001c10991$8c1d6890$f201a8c0-+AT+-backtalk.org> >One crucial point here is that we don't know that the Lady (I assume you >are talking about the Star-Eyed Goddess of the Shina'a'in) sent the >Companions. Actually, I think she was referring to the Lady of the Lord and Lady pairing, the main two worshipped gods in Valdemar. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:59:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Silvershadow To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Lavan vs Vanyel, Brightly Burning spoiler Message-ID: <20010710225953.28931.qmail-+AT+-web4505.mail.yahoo.com> --- Lorna Appleby wrote: > > I've noticed Misty contradicting herself more and > more in her recent books.. > It's like she's been writing for the sake of writing > more than the love of > craft and just isn't paying as much attention or > doesn't have the world in > her head while she's writing.. > She always done that, well as far as I can see. I just finished the LHM trilogy and I was getting sorta annoyed at the contradictions. not many and I never noticed them the first couple of times that i read them but i'm getting to know them pretty well now. The one that springs to mind is Vanyel refering to the Tayledras in the first book, He thought to himself something along the lines of 'I didn't believe they were real I thought they were just storys my aunt was making up' but THEN later on in the trilogy he said that Savil had been teaching both Vanyel and Talyndel the Tayledras language. Why would he think that the Hawkbrothers were just stories if he were learning the language? ===== Zhai'hellava ~Silvershadow~ Chocobo of Legend Wielder of the Sacred SPOON __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:47:52 EDT From: Kasebones-+AT+-cs.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Cats & Dogs... Message-ID: <76.cd77459.287cee28-+AT+-cs.com> I've been watching this whole cats vs. dogs debate going on for a while and fell that I'm now obligated to put in my two cents since it seem everyone else has!!! I have to say that I don't agree with the whole "dogs have no personality" arguement. :) I agree with the general opinion that cats have more personality than dogs, but couldn't a good aythor come up with a situation that gives a dog a less than subserviant role? I mean, we've gone over the whole dogs are pack creatures thing, but IIRC, there's a pack leader, right? So what if he/she were seperated from the pack, wouldn't that dog have a more "i'm the best, listen to everything I say" attitude? I think that would be interesting if someone had to deal with the whole snotty attitude of the pet. (yeah, yeah, I know its not really a pet, but hey.) or what about a dog who's been beaten one too many times and has just decided that it won't take any more. for an example of a dog with a personality and a bit of an attitude, look at Tramp from "Lady and the Tramp" (a disney animated film and one of my personal favorites) He's got a bit af a street smart attitude and a doesn't really see humans as his masters, just fellow creatures. Oh well, that's just my two cents. Try not to throw any real heavy sheep at me, k? Kaysey Owner of some rather insubstantial and good for nothing sheep. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 22:23:12 -0400 From: Matt Neimeyer To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Lavan vs Vanyel, Brightly Burning spoiler Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010710221658.00a92da0-+AT+-ambriel.youth-guard.org> > >I don't agree. There was no indication that anyone except Lavan's companion > >could control his gift. None of the other Heralds had ever seen the gift >before >and had no idea how to teach him to control it. > >They kept on saying that no one had seen Lavan's gift before, but his >*teacher* had fire-fetching or whatever you want to call it. More accurate >to say would be none of the heralds had the gift to such a *degree* before.. This has happened before (after) I mean look what happened to Talia and her gift? This considering that Empathy seems to be almost standard issue in one degree or another for Healers (from things said in Arrows...) you'd think someone would have some idea how to train it. This is, I think, my biggest problem with Valdemar... they seem to forget stuff left and right. Especially the really useful stuff. Albeit that the companions had something to do with that for a while but still. If the Companions can subtly nudge people towards forgetting then why can't they also subtly nudge things towards something as simple as remembering to look up the already known information in a book. Elspeth had to force herself to go back and actually read stuff when she finally got around to it. Matt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 21:26:45 -0700 From: "Lorna Appleby" To: Subject: Re: Lavan vs Vanyel, Brightly Burning spoiler Message-ID: <02b801c109c1$b1b51fa0$f201a8c0-+AT+-backtalk.org> >This has happened before (after) I mean look what happened to Talia and her >gift? This considering that Empathy seems to be almost standard issue in >one degree or another for Healers (from things said in Arrows...) you'd >think someone would have some idea how to train it. To quote what's said again and again in Arrows.. ^_^ "Where can we send her for training?" "Healer's?" "They don't use it like she does. Like she has to." Not even other Mind Healer's. Talia's training was screwed up because they assumed Ylsa had trained her more than she had and that the Healers were completing that training.. Except the Healers had assumed Talia was completely trained because she *seemed* to be.. -Lorna ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 04:13:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Amy Kerry To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: [Misty web site]and Mistyakes Message-ID: <20010711111327.92673.qmail-+AT+-web12702.mail.yahoo.com> Heyla everyone, major delurking here Rachael said: > Just to let everyone know you can go to this site > www.audiogalaxy.com and > download all of Mercedes Lackey's music, I just did > it today and it's > awesome. Right now I'm listening to "Sun and Shadow" > Just though everyone > would want to know. Hmm...yeah its nice to be able to download music I like but knowing Misty's views of mp3ing her music I would never do it. I read a response to a question on mp3 in the ask Misty section at www.firebirdarts.com, she believes that its taking money away from the artists and the record companys who need it. And with Misty's music I think she has a valid point, firebird music and the other small labels like that produce music in very small quanties thousands or sometimes even just hundreds of cds....now taking an mp3 of metallica or limp bizkit isn't going to significantly hurt either the band or their record companies. Taking an mp3 off of Misty's music or an artist who has produced their own cd means that one less cd was sold and that one might mean the difference between another cd being made or not. Hope this doesn't sound like I'm flaming, because its not meant to be, I just feel very strongly about supporting private recording artists because literally every sale does count. On the Mistyakes thread: I've noticed mistakes too, for example: Fire Rose/The Serpent's Shadow spoiler coming up * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * In the Fire Rose Jason Cameron goes out of his way to say and think that Fire Masters cannot stand to live in the same city or area together, to the point that it would be flat out war if they did. On the other hand in the Serpent's Shadow which is based in the same world with the same magic system not only do more than one Fire Master live in the same city, they are even married to each other. Its not that big of a thing really I guess but it does show inconsistancy in the world she has created. Also Mya's initiation into becoming an earth master seemed much simpler than Rose's, then again we are never shown any of the spell making like we were in Fire Rose...but that is getting a bit nit picky, lol I think it might just boil down to the fact that we read Misty's books alot more than she ever does and over the 15 or so years she's been writing she's probably forgotten and or decided to add on different elements to her universe. * * * * * * * * * * end spoiler Well I think that's all from me this time, cherry cheesecake sheep to everyone Amy Ferret Friend Lady of All Things Missing, Especially Socks __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2636 **********************************