MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2644 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Choosing to be a herald by Kasebones-+AT+-cs.com 2) Re: Sword of Ice by Kasebones-+AT+-cs.com 3) Why Do Companions Choose So-and-So? by "Li'nia Stormdancer" 4) Re: choosing to be a herald by CmdrDTroi-+AT+-aol.com 5) Re: [Misty web site]and Mistyakes by Brentie 6) Re: Gwena's return by "Misty's Secretary" 7) Re: Gwena's return by "Lorna Appleby" 8) Re: Gwena's return by "Misty's Secretary" 9) Re: Gwena's return by "Devin Alicia Harris" 10) Re: Choosing to be a herald by "Layla Voll" 11) Re: Sword of Ice/Choosing a Herald by =?iso-8859-1?q?Sheridan=20Hoy?= 12) Re: Choosing to be a herald by "Runewind" 13) Re: Choosing to be a herald by "Rebecca McAllister" 14) Re: Sword of Ice/Choosing a Herald by "Morrigan Moon" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:16:44 EDT From: Kasebones-+AT+-cs.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Choosing to be a herald Message-ID: <120.1d040b7.2887106c-+AT+-cs.com> << Rogue Gifts are not Good Things as they eventually get out of control of the user (and most usually) decimate those around the user at the time. >> Just wondering,... but are there any Gifts that aren't or won't be traumatic to the "gifted" or those around them? I mean, firestarting is obviously dangerous, and foresight and mindspeech could drive the giftee insane (i guess). But is there any gift that could be allopwed to develop without any serious effects? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:47:47 EDT From: Kasebones-+AT+-cs.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Sword of Ice Message-ID: << >Question. Someone brought up Sword of Ice, and a story >about a women who wanted to know why she hadn't been >Chosen. Now, I have read the story, but the book is >packed away in NZ, and the library doesn't have a >copy, so could someone please put me out of my misery >and tell me how the story ended. Okay, well jsut in case some people haven't read that book, even though it has been out forever. S P O I L E R In the end it turns out that she can make a different and halp out people without being a herald. She doesn't need a companion to become an important person and live a good life. Since she doesn't need one (Because she has worked so hard at developing all those traits) she doesn't get one. >> I think it also mentioned that people who get chosen get chosen because they couldn't have accomplished much in their current positions. Ex: how much could talia have accomplished if she was stuck in a Holderfarm? or Skif? at best he could have been a theif, but always watcing behind him for a knife at his back or something else. I think the point made was that Companions come to people who need them in order to make a difference. Not to someone who could make a difference with the strength of only themselves. But that's not to say that the Heralds couldn't do anything without being chosen, maybe they just needed the right environment. I've often wondered about why some are chosen and others are not. There's got to be more decent people in the world besides Heralds. This might explain it, but IIRC, Misty didn't write it, so maybe that's not the real reason. What do you think? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:22:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "Li'nia Stormdancer" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Why Do Companions Choose So-and-So? Message-ID: <20010718172246.82478.qmail-+AT+-web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Heyla List-Sibs! Okies, here's a spoiler-space in case some of my sibs haven't read "Sword of Ice" yet: S P O I L E R S P A C E --- Kasebones-+AT+-cs.com wrote: > I think it also mentioned that people who get chosen > get chosen because they couldn't have accomplished >much in their current positions. Exactly my thoughts on that matter! The Companions and Heralds compliment each other, so that together they may actually be able to accomplish things that really make a difference. Of course, sometimes I think it's the imp of the perverse, since Daren and Kerowyn had gone through a good portion of their lives without needing anyone else to help them accomplish things. In their case, I think it may have been something to help establish them in Valdemar and pave the way for all the events that would happen in the future. >Just wondering,... but are there any Gifts that >aren't or won't be traumatic to the "gifted" or those >around them? I mean, firestarting is obviously >dangerous, and foresight and mindspeech could drive >the giftee insane (i guess). But is there any gift >that could be allopwed to develop without any serious >effects? Bardic, Healing, and Fetching are just a few that are beneficial to people. Fetching could scare someone, but they have to have a clear idea of WHAT they're Fetching before they do so, and must make a conscious effort to do this. So I don't think that's included in the "traumatic" group. Farsight might spook a few people if they start receiving images and have no clue where they're coming from. And, like you said, Mindspeech, Firestarting, and Foresight would definetely frighten people who have no clue about what's going on. I mean, look at Alberich (although he was smart enough to hide what was going on as best as he could). I think the Companion usually makes their appearance for their Chosen either shortly after the Gifts manifest (especially if it's a violent one, like Lavan or Vanyel), just before they do so (like Talia), or when they start to get out of control or the person (and people around them) are getting very concerned and/or scared (like Alberich). I know I didn't mention every Gift, but it's lunch-time here at the office and I wanted to squeeze a note off... lol ===== ---<---<---<----+AT+- Li'nia Stormdancer -+AT+---->--->--->--- Peon to the Powers That Be, Goddess of All Things Possessed, & Caretaker of the Arena of Discussion and Dissention __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:48:06 EDT From: CmdrDTroi-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: choosing to be a herald Message-ID: <6e.d33349b.28876c26-+AT+-aol.com> --part1_6e.d33349b.28876c26_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/14/01 1:19:22 PM Central Daylight Time, morrigan_moon-+AT+-hotmail.com writes: > > >Personally I'VE been wondering what would happen if > > >someone who was Chosen decided they didn't WANT to be > > >a Herald. > > >I don't think a companion wouldn't choose some who wouldn't want to be a > >herald. > > Actually, in AOQ Terren tells the new trainees that they should think hard about what it really means to be a herald as well as the risks involved i.e. there are very few old heralds. He then says that if they aren't prepared to make that commitment, they are free to leave at any time, and noone will think any the less of them. TAZ --part1_6e.d33349b.28876c26_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/14/01 1:19:22 PM Central Daylight Time,
morrigan_moon-+AT+-hotmail.com writes:


> >Personally I'VE been wondering what would happen if
> >someone who was Chosen decided they didn't WANT to be
> >a Herald.

>I don't think a companion wouldn't choose some who wouldn't want to be a
>herald.



Actually, in AOQ Terren tells the new trainees that they should think hard
about what it really means to be a herald as well as the risks involved i.e.
there are very few old heralds. He then says that if they aren't prepared to
make that commitment, they are free to leave at any time, and noone will
think any the less of them.
TAZ --part1_6e.d33349b.28876c26_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:04:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Brentie To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: [Misty web site]and Mistyakes Message-ID: <20010719020429.7364.qmail-+AT+-web4101.mail.yahoo.com> >> about the mp3's i myself would never buy one of >>misties cd's im not a big fan of that kinda music >> but >> i am a big fan of misty so what it comes down to is >> would misty rather have me not listen to her lyrics >> at >> all oooooorrrrrrr haveme listen to them but not get >> royalties for it >Well if you don't like the Music then it doesn't >really matter does it? >Personaly I LOVE the music but it would cost me a >small fortune to attempt to even get ONE of her CD's. >Only way I have of hearing anything off the CD's was >to download the MP3's. I would adore to find a cheap >way to own the CD's though. Costs me enough just to >get her books now though... Well if you don't like the Music then it doesn't really matter does it? i said im a misty fan im an insane misty fan im not much for the whole filk thing (thats what its called right?) but i do like to hear her lyrics ===== Brent Bloomfield http://www.geocities.com/ssjgohanjr __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 21:29:51 +0100 From: "Misty's Secretary" To: Subject: Re: Gwena's return Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C10FD0.C793A200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In response to the question of what happens to a herald should the = companion be killed, may I quote you a relevant piece. I have to spoiler space it I guess, since you won't have read it :-) = it's from page 260 of "Take A Thief". It doesn't really reveal any of = the plot though, just a touch of background information. Don't progress unless you really want to.. S P O I L E R :Rolan is Talamir's second companion. Taver was killed in the Tedrel = Wars, when Talamir and Jadus were trying to rescue the King. They say = that everyone thought Talamir was going to follow Taver and King Sendar = until Rolan came and pulled him back. Ever since then, Talamir's been- = otherworldly. Half his heart and soul are here, and Half's in the = Havens, they say.: Skif shook his head. All this was too deep for him. :Still!: Cymry continued, shaking off her mood. :His mind is all = here, and Talamir's mind is better than four of anyone else's! Would you = like to see Companion's Field?: So there's the answer. Or one of them at least. Now why do I think that = will raise more controversy than it settles? :-)) Paul ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C10FD0.C793A200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C10FD0.C793A200-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:50:02 -0700 From: "Lorna Appleby" To: Subject: Re: Gwena's return Message-ID: <018d01c10ffd$8233cd20$f201a8c0-+AT+-backtalk.org> [This is in response to the snippet from "Once a Thief" ^_^ ] S P O I L E R >:Rolan is Talamir's second companion. Taver was killed in the Tedrel = >Wars, when Talamir and Jadus were trying to rescue the King. They say = >that everyone thought Talamir was going to follow Taver and King Sendar = >until Rolan came and pulled him back. Ever since then, Talamir's been- = >otherworldly. Half his heart and soul are here, and Half's in the = >Havens, they say.: > Skif shook his head. All this was too deep for him. > :Still!: Cymry continued, shaking off her mood. :His mind is all = >here, and Talamir's mind is better than four of anyone else's! Would you = >like to see Companion's Field?: > >So there's the answer. Or one of them at least. Now why do I think that = >will raise more controversy than it settles? :-)) I think it'll raise more controversy because Misty's just contradicted herself in a huge way.. Having a companion named Rolan in Lavan's book, then saying that Rolan appears as Talamir's second companion? What do they do? Rotating duties? "Nono, You be the Monarch's Own companion this time.. I did it *last* time.." -Lorna ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:00:40 +0100 From: "Misty's Secretary" To: Subject: Re: Gwena's return Message-ID: Er, sorry about that. Somehow it got flipped to HTML mode. Apologies! I hope it's still readable. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 20:42:18 -0700 From: "Devin Alicia Harris" To: Subject: Re: Gwena's return Message-ID: <007b01c11004$d12ebfa0$48861c0c-+AT+-computer> ----- Original Message ----- From: Misty's Secretary To: Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 7:46 PM Subject: Re: Gwena's return > > So there's the answer. Or one of them at least. Now why do I think that = > will raise more controversy than it settles? :-)) > > Paul Umm...because you know us very well? Thanks for the "spoiler" (I hate to call 'em that; they never spoil anything for me). Of course, now you know you've made us all even MORE impatient, yes? Dev ***** "That's it, I ain't takin' no more lip from a statue." http://www.greendragonpress.net/openzines.htm _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free -+AT+-yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 06:01:15 From: "Layla Voll" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Choosing to be a herald Message-ID: Clair writes >does everyone with some kind of gift invariably end >up as a herald/healer/bard? What happens to those that >don't have a vocation, do >you just hope that the gift doesn't get out of >control, or would they get >taught some other way? And Sarah responds: >Rogue Gifts are not Good Things as they eventually get >out of control of the user (and most usually) decimate >those around the user at the time. Right, so I would guess that it's probably almost impossible for someone to go completely untaught and unnoticed, at least in Valdemar: it seems as if the Companions and the magic net, or whatever alerts Companions to Herald-potentialed kids (and the Heralds, to a lesser degree) are always looking out for kids with nascent Gifts, and the Last Herald Mage series described how amazingly organized the Bards are at ferreting out the bardically Gifted. I imagine the Healers have a similar system. Whether you have a vocation is another question, but you would definitely be noticed and probably given some rudimentary training so that at least you could block it (much like Warrl did for Kerowyn's MindSpeech). and then Kasebones asked: >Just wondering,... but are there any Gifts that aren't or won't be >traumatic >to the "gifted" or those around them? I mean, firestarting is obviously >dangerous, and foresight and mindspeech could drive the giftee insane (i >guess). But is there any gift that could be allopwed to develop without >any >serious effects? The only one I can think of is the Bardic Gift, although I can't imagine anyone being truly bardically Gifted and *not* wanting to get trained and become a bard. Even apparently harmless Gifts like Fetching can be freaky when they go rogue: Tashir's Gift (in Magic's Promise) was Fetching, and it meant he ended up flinging things around the room and frightening Vanyel's mother's ladies half to death. And Tylendal describes waking up in a fifty-foot circle of wreckage caused by his Fetching and Mage gifts working together. I can't recall anyone having a rogue FarSight Gift, although I think someone on the list mentioned that it could be quite frightening if you didn't know what it was. It might end up looking a bit like a catatonic seizure. Layla _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 20:11:24 +1200 (NZST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Sheridan=20Hoy?= To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Sword of Ice/Choosing a Herald Message-ID: <20010719081124.86189.qmail-+AT+-web11005.mail.yahoo.com> Heyla listsibs, Thanks Paul for that little snipit - I like to hear about Collegium life :) Re Choosing a Herald - I think Kasebones has a good point. "I think the point made was that Companions come to people who need them in order to make a difference. Not to someone who could make a difference with the strength of only themselves. But that's not to say that the Heralds couldn't do anything without being chosen, maybe they just needed the right environment." I definitely agree that there are have to be people in Valdemar who are decent but aren't Chosen, but maybe they don't have a working Gift? Did the women in the Sword of Ice story have a working Gift - I can't remember? Also, maybe they are looking for certain people and Gifts at a certain time - don't the Companions seem to Choose more just before a war? Not quite sure where I am going with this ... anyone else like to step in? Taz said: "Actually, in AOQ Terren tells the new trainees that they should think hard about what it really means to be a herald as well as the risks involved i.e. there are very few old heralds. He then says that if they aren't prepared to make that commitment, they are free to leave at any time, and noone will think any the less of them." Okay I am confused. Burning Brightly spoilers to follow: S P O I L E R S Someone at the beginning to Burning Brightly Pol was thinking about trainees and it mentioned that while Healer and Bardic trainees could leave the Collegium, Herald trainees couldn't really do that,what with the Companion-Herald bond, but that Companions rarely Chose someone who couldn't come to terms with their training, and there were people, including Pol, to help them work through any problems they may have. I also remember Vanyel in Magic's Pawn saying he didn't want to be a Herald (or something like that), but then I think Savil said something about Yfandes pining away - does anyone know the text I am talking about? Bright the Day, tamlin _____________________________________________________________________________ http://messenger.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Messenger - Voice chat, mail alerts, stock quotes and favourite news and lots more! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:24:02 +0800 From: "Runewind" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Choosing to be a herald Message-ID: <3B5717B2.22142.ACEEDB-+AT+-localhost> On 18 Jul 2001, at 18:04, Kasebones-+AT+-cs.com wrote: > << Rogue Gifts are not Good Things as they eventually get > out of control of the user (and most usually) decimate > those around the user at the time. >> > > Just wondering,... but are there any Gifts that aren't or won't be > traumatic to the "gifted" or those around them? I mean, firestarting > is obviously dangerous, and foresight and mindspeech could drive the > giftee insane (i guess). But is there any gift that could be allopwed > to develop without any serious effects? Wasn't there a woman in Arrows Flight that had an untrained gift of Foresight? I think she was called the Weather Witch or something like that. She was insane when Talia met her, but it was not because of her gift, if I remember correctly. Runewind ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:54:20 From: "Rebecca McAllister" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Choosing to be a herald Message-ID: Heyla Listsibs! I have desided to grace you all with the plesent ramblings of a tired insomniac! Well Here I go! I sure hope I make a little bit of sense. >Clair writes > >does everyone with some kind of gift invariably end > >up as a herald/healer/bard? What happens to those >that > >don't have a vocation, do > >you just hope that the gift doesn't get out of > >control, or would they get > >taught some other way? Well, Maevin the weather whitch had ForSight,(or it at least sounded like she did) and she didn't get any training or become a herald. It just kind of took Control of her unexpectidly and she couldn't remember it afterward. For example, when she gives Talia her little prophecy she says ,"Did I say something? did it help you?" Or something like that, I don't have the book with me(that seems to be happening a lot lately). Anyways, Maybe if she was properly trained she would be able to remember what she said. It doesn't seem to be hurting her any, and in fact it is to the benfit of the other around her. It certainly helped Kris and Talia anyway. >and then Kasebones asked: > > >Just wondering,... but are there any Gifts that aren't or won't be > >traumatic > >to the "gifted" or those around them? >serious effects? > >The only one I can think of is the Bardic Gift, although I can't imagine >anyone being truly bardically Gifted and *not* wanting to get trained and >become a bard. Talia had the Bardic Gift, Jadus said so, but she had no desire to become a Bard. Also Jadus was traing to be a bard, but dropped it because He was Chosen. Maybe this is becuase The "Heraldic Gift" or what ever it is that makes you want to be a Herald is Stronger then the Bardic one and over powers it. Well I hope that most of that slightly resemles the English language. Wind to thy wings and all that Jazz, Becca Lady of all titleless entities(see, now I have a title) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:01:56 +0000 From: "Morrigan Moon" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Sword of Ice/Choosing a Herald Message-ID: >Thanks Paul for that little snipit - I like to hear >about Collegium life :) I love these bits we're getting to see....very good fun. :-) >Okay I am confused. I think what we have to work on here is something like what you get in Terry Pratchett's Discworld novels. These are not inconsistancies in the books, merely alternative pasts! :-) Keep Smiling Clair http://www.crystalgrove.co.uk _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2644 **********************************