MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2648 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) MIST: the increase in non-snipping by Kenneth Allen Hyde 2) Re: Choosing to be a herald by Jen 3) Re: Choosing to be a herald by Jen 4) nosy companions by Jen 5) Re: Companion mindspeech by "Runewind" 6) Re: Gwena's return- Companions by "Misty's Secretary" 7) Re: Gwena's return- Companions by "Misty's Secretary" 8) Re: nosy companions by Crystal 9) Re: Gwena's return- Companions by "Lorna Appleby" 10) quote from Dixon's Vixen Digest for 7/23/01 by "Liz Hoffman" 11) Re: Gwena's return- Companions by "Misty's Secretary" 12) Re: Gwena's return- Companions by =?iso-8859-1?q?Jasmin=20Haviland?= 13) Re: Gwena's return- Companions by T Stafford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 14:08:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Kenneth Allen Hyde To: Misty Lackey List Subject: MIST: the increase in non-snipping Message-ID: Hi, everyone. This is a quick message to remind everyone about the list policy on snipping. As everyone knows, from reading the NewbieFest (everyone has read it, haven't they?), "snipping" refers to deleting text from a quoted message in a reply post. In most cases, you may decided only to deleted paragraphs and sentences that aren't relevant to your own specific point. More drastic snipping may include deleting all but the bare bones of a few partial sentences (this is usually done by replacing the deleted text inside the sentences with ... or [snip]): For example: In the book "Arrows of the Queen," Rolan mindspeaks to Talia during their first encounter and tells her that he will always be with her and that he Chooses her out of all the world. becomes: [snip] Rolan mindspeaks Talia...and tells her that he will always be with her.... The reason that snipping is so important (if the wishes of our hostess are not sufficient reason) is that many list-sibs have to pay for their email by the byte or they have to pay for their connection time and downloads. Thus, every non-snipped piece of quote is a little bit of extra expense for them. In addition, every bit of information in the messages to this list has to be copied and sent out to several hundred subscribers. Snipping reduces the burden on the server and makes things easier for Vanyel (the mail-server) and Auntie Mel (the list-owner who is letting us use her business computers for this list). Anyway, please, please, remember to snip. (BTW, for those who are wondering from the NewbieFest, "braiding" is a different proposition, and is not required, although it is recommended.) May the seas be your solace and the forests a refuge for your spirit, Cennydd Councilor of Mist Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me //www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/prof/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 19:18:00 -0700 From: Jen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Choosing to be a herald Message-ID: <20010723021800.24547.qmail-+AT+-venus.postmark.net> I'm new to this, and I haven't checked my email for a while, so bear with me... Someone mentioned that all Heralds had Gifts, but what was rare was the strong Gifts, and maybe it was the same person that said Skif has no Gift. But he can talk to Cymry, so doesn't he have at least bare Mindspeech? gotta disconnect juniperward-+AT+-postmark.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 19:20:13 -0700 From: Jen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Choosing to be a herald Message-ID: <20010723022013.25842.qmail-+AT+-venus.postmark.net> Whoops. I wrote a thing before I read this one... my mistake > I also wanted to put in that Companions don't > necessarily Choose people with Gifts, although the > emphasis in the Valdemar series is on the gifted until > you think every Herald running around has one, even > though it's mentioned every so often that Gifts are > very rare. Skiff, to cite a recent example, is not > Gifted. (At least not in any books published so far. > :)) I would have to go back and check, but I bet I > could find 3-4 Heralds mentioned in every book/series > who do not have Gifts. Skiff has at least enough MindSpeech to talk to Cymry, does he not? I think it was mentioned somewhere that MindSpeech is the most common Gift; of course, for me, being able to talk to one's Companion seems like such a basic thing as not to be considered a Gift, until you think of those poor Heralds who *can't* talk to their Companions... gotta disconnect juniperward-+AT+-postmark.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 19:28:37 -0700 From: Jen To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: nosy companions Message-ID: <20010723022837.30650.qmail-+AT+-venus.postmark.net> This is somewhere along the lines of not wanting to be a Herald... but don't you ever think that it would be embarassing to have a Companion nosing around your thoughts all the time? And they can't really help it- in Winds of Change Gwena says something about surface thoughts getting over and it's Elspeth's fault for not blocking- I'm too lazy to get a quote. gotta disconnect juniperward-+AT+-postmark.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 13:19:36 +0800 From: "Runewind" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Companion mindspeech Message-ID: <3B5C2468.1262.1AB837-+AT+-localhost> On 22 Jul 2001, at 5:55, Jenn H wrote: > Next topic: Why Gwena and Sayvil talk to everyone. I think Sayvil > prabably talks to every one because, well, she's Savil. She's always > basically done what she wants, or what needs to be done, why stop now > when she's a Companion? Is there any known connection between the Gifts a person has as a Herald and the abilities they have as Companions? Are all the Companions pretty much equal in ability and/or power, or do you see the same variations you have among the Heralds? Runewind ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 04:52:55 +0100 From: "Misty's Secretary" To: Subject: Re: Gwena's return- Companions Message-ID: > Yes - Why not! The Companions are to help and > guide the Chosen. The MOC is Grove born which > means - - not a former herald. Selnay is the > Queen and Talimir is older he was a advisor to > her father. When a new QOH is needed the > Companion which will out live his Herald would > have to choose and bond with someone new for the > position. And Rolan is the best being for > that job. This is a surprisingly perceptive view, given that it's absolutely 100% correct. I don't think I've ever seen anyone actually point it out so clearly. Grove born companions have never been mortal heralds. All the others have. A lot of their power comes from the fact that they can remember their previous lives, and draw upon that experience. Of course the Grove born ones have certain advantages and disadvantages of their own, but that's still an exercise for the reader to decide. Paul (Holding a bag, looking for the cat..) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 07:55:29 +0100 From: "Misty's Secretary" To: Subject: Re: Gwena's return- Companions Message-ID: > > I think it'll raise more controversy because > > Misty's just contradicted > > herself in a huge way.. Having a companion > > named Rolan in Lavan's book, then > > saying that Rolan appears as Talamir's second > > companion? What do they do? > > Rotating duties? > > > > "Nono, You be the Monarch's Own companion this > > time.. I did it *last* > > time.." I think you are looking at it backwards. The name Rolan was the one used in Arrows, and since this is a prequel to that series, it could hardly change. And no, Misty did not make a mistake in having a companion named Rolan in Brightly Burning. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 02:06:47 -0400 From: Crystal To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: nosy companions Message-ID: <3B5BBEF4.8DBE7B6-+AT+-stny.rr.com> My $.02 ... :) Not all Companions can hear your thoughts. And for those who do hear each other's thoughts, not every Herald will broadcast with the same level of power. I think the Companions themselves wouldn't eavesdrop on everything. Gwena was... well, she was Gwena. Lacking the human experience that other Companions have, she may not have realized that sometimes Elspeth just wanted to be left alone. Or, given the power that Elspeth had, there was no way for Gwena to not hear her, unless Elspeth put up some sort of shield. Blessings! Crystal Jen wrote: > This is somewhere along the lines of not wanting to be a Herald... but > don't you ever think that it would be embarassing to have a Companion > nosing around your thoughts all the time? And they can't really help > it- in Winds of Change Gwena says something about surface thoughts > getting over and it's Elspeth's fault for not blocking- I'm too lazy > to get a quote. > > gotta disconnect > juniperward-+AT+-postmark.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 03:23:34 -0700 From: "Lorna Appleby" To: Subject: Re: Gwena's return- Companions Message-ID: <004d01c11361$8707b7f0$f201a8c0-+AT+-backtalk.org> I'm putting the spoiler space back in.. since we are discussing a future book *and* Brightly Burning. S P O I L E R S P A C E .. .. .. >I think you are looking at it backwards. The name Rolan was the one used in >Arrows, and since this is a prequel to that series, it could hardly change. I know that. I wasn't saying that she should have changed it in Queen's Own (and following books) I was saying that unless she has rotating MO's Companion (as you now say she does) It's one heck of a flub-up and she shouldn't have either.. A) Chosen Rolan as the Companion for BB or B) Chosen to have a different companion for Talamir before Rolan. Which is all immaterial if there are four rotating companions, as you say.. But that really seems to go against the entire companion bond concept. I would think of *all* the heralds out there the one who needs that really tight bond would be the MO's.. and then they don't get their companion in the havens, etc, etc, etc? Just doesn't seem right to me. *Shrug* But I'm only one reader out of many. ^_^ -Lorna ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:40:12 +0100 From: "Liz Hoffman" To: Subject: quote from Dixon's Vixen Digest for 7/23/01 Message-ID: <004301c11363$db95c440$7c1c7ad5-+AT+-oemcomputer> Thanks to whoever it was that mentioned that Misty posts on the Dixon's Vixen conference at the Baen Bar http://bar.baen.com/~Bar . I've copied Misty's reply to whats happening about the 8 book collegium series below. Thought people might be interested. "Collegium Chronicles ? Mercedes Lackey Misty Lackey mistysdesk-+AT+-hotmail.com It's been postponed, in no small part because I convinced the editor that even though we did want something that was similar to the Harry Potter books we didn't really want to have something going that was so OBVIOUSLY like the Harry Potter books! I still think it's a good idea, but perhaps a couple more years down the line...." Liz H ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 06:31:26 +0100 From: "Misty's Secretary" To: Subject: Re: Gwena's return- Companions Message-ID: > I know that. I wasn't saying that she should have changed it in Queen's Own > (and following books) I was saying that unless she has rotating MO's > Companion (as you now say she does) It's one heck of a flub-up and she > shouldn't have either.. > Which is all immaterial if there are four rotating companions, as you say.. I don't mean to sound the pedant.. but I said no such thing. I think you may be confusing my posts with other ones. It was claimed by another (and I'm being far too lazy to look up the reference) that Misty had said this on the bar. Since I don't frequent that abode very often, I can't verify or ratify the statement. >From conversations I've had with Misty, I know it's probably the case, but I wasn't actually the one to say it. With regards to your other comments, I guess it's true that you can't always please everyone! Misty tells it as she sees it, and sometimes people do disagree with her logic. Then, it is magic we're talking about ;-) Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:11:14 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jasmin=20Haviland?= To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Gwena's return- Companions Message-ID: <20010723141114.2135.qmail-+AT+-web11603.mail.yahoo.com> --- Misty's Secretary wrote: > > Grove born companions have never been mortal heralds. All the others have. A > lot of their power comes from the fact that they can remember their previous > lives, and draw upon that experience. Of course the Grove born ones have > certain advantages and disadvantages of their own, but that's still an > exercise for the reader to decide. I had a dream last night after I'd been thinking about this for a bit... About how after the Founding the Companions just kept being grove born until after the first herald died. It was really sweet and dramatic, using all kinds of movie effects like flipping to the scene of this herald dying and then flipping back to the birth of the first born Companion. And as the new Companion takes it's first steps the heralds companion jumped off a cliff. Damn that I can't make Misty dream it. :) Anyways, Happy cold medicine flavoured flying sheep to everyone. (All my drugs are over the counter) Jessie ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free -+AT+-yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free -+AT+-yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 07:18:18 -0700 (PDT) From: T Stafford To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Gwena's return- Companions Message-ID: <20010723141818.6551.qmail-+AT+-web11202.mail.yahoo.com> Someone had mentioned that it didn;t seem fair to the Monarch;s Own that they don't get to experience the Havens with their Companion since the MOH rotates among four (Taver, Rolan...anyone know who the other 2 are?). Perhaps the Monarch's Own position also rotates among four souls, just with out them remembering who they were. It would explin how the MO seems to "know" instinctivly how to deal with certain problems... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! 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