MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2652

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) RE: new topics!!
	by "Robert Martin" <rmartin-+AT+-gatewayticketing.com>
  2) Tarma's age
	by =?iso-8859-1?q?Jasmin=20Haviland?= <sailor_nemesis-+AT+-yahoo.com>
  3) Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 2651
	by "Abigail Laughlin" <abbykat-+AT+-hotmail.com>
  4) RE: new topics!! - Knights Gambit..
	by "David Mark Nelson" <davidne-+AT+-microsoft.com>
  5) Age
	by Sara Peek <saddlefan-+AT+-yahoo.com>
  6) "Oath" Ages...
	by "Li'nia Stormdancer" <lady_stormdancer-+AT+-yahoo.com>
  7) Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 2651
	by "Rebecca McAllister" <becs71-+AT+-hotmail.com>
  8) RE: Tarma's age
	by "Dionne, Judith" <Judith.Dionne-+AT+-fchp.org>
  9) RE: new topics!! - Knights Gambit..
	by "Layla Voll" <layla_voll-+AT+-hotmail.com>
 10) RE: Tarma's age
	by Silvershadow <silvers_shadow-+AT+-yahoo.com>
 11) RE: Tarma's age
	by "Lisa T" <purple_alicorn-+AT+-hotmail.com>

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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 12:18:24 -0400
From: "Robert Martin" <rmartin-+AT+-gatewayticketing.com>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: RE: new topics!!
Message-ID: <NABBIKJDIKJKAPBLAKBCGEFIADAB.rmartin-+AT+-gatewayticketing.com>

> First: I was stareing fondly at a book of ML's today
> anf noticed in te inside jacket, no just a referance
> to the book called 'Knights Gambit'. Does anyone know
> anything about that book???

Sorry, no help there. <G>  I'd be interested in the answer as well.

> But what about Tarma?? Is Kethry extending her life
> somehow? That must be a majorly draining spell to cast
> of her AND Tarma. Or is the fact that she's
> Kel'enedral??

I think you hit it with her status as a Kel'enedral.  Technically speaking,
she is a priest of her Goddess.  As that priest, she would have additional
power not available to the regular mortal.

Tristaan


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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 17:31:42 +0100 (BST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jasmin=20Haviland?= <sailor_nemesis-+AT+-yahoo.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Tarma's age
Message-ID: <20010726163142.29527.qmail-+AT+-web11605.mail.yahoo.com>

> Second: This has ben bugging me for a while. In the
> Vows and Honour duology I'd assume that Tarma and
> Kethry are between the ages of about 19 - 25 and these
> books take place in the year 1270AF. Now they are
> 'obviously' mentioned in the book, 'By the sword'
> which takes place 'around' 1376AF. Now that is a
> diffrence of 106 years, plys their prospective ages.
> Now. I can accept Kethry, being a mage, can prolong
> her life. And I can accept it of Warral being able to
> live this long mainly because I don't, that I can
> remember, think ML has said what the average lifespan
> of a Kree is.
> But what about Tarma?? Is Kethry extending her life
> somehow? That must be a majorly draining spell to cast
> of her AND Tarma. Or is the fact that she's
> Kel'enedral??
Need takes care of people Kethry loves. I bet ummm.... what's his name... anyways, I bet Kethry's
beau was 80-90 when he died. If Tarma took care of herself, I see no reason why, with help, she
can't make it to 120 years old. Regular people can make it that long.
On a related topic: I was reading the Winds/Storms books and I noticed something cool. One of the
lesh'y is Tarma! She calls Elspeth "student of my student" and ... lacking books but she says
something to Karal too. So by the second wind book Tarma is definately dead. I guess that Tarma
probably died shortly after Kero left. Tho' I think it's mean of Misty to not tell us. But then
again, that would have happened in one of the gaps in By the Sword.
I'm rambling. Hope some of this made sense. :)
Jessie

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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 16:49:41 +0000
From: "Abigail Laughlin" <abbykat-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 2651
Message-ID: <F139obddQzCjECwJGoU00002603-+AT+-hotmail.com>

<<In the Vows and Honour duology I'd assume that Tarma and Kethry are 
between the ages of about 19 - 25 and these books take place in the year 
1270AF. Now they are 'obviously' mentioned in the book, 'By the sword' which 
takes place 'around' 1376AF. Now that is a diffrence of 106 years, plys 
their prospective ages. Now. I can accept Kethry, being a mage, can prolong 
her life... But what about Tarma?? Is Kethry extending her life somehow? 
That must be a majorly draining spell to cast of her AND Tarma. Or is the 
fact that she's Kel'enedral?>>

As I understood from the books, it was not so much a case of Kethry casting 
spells to lengthen her life as it was simply that the energies she 
incorporated into herself as an Adept sustained her body, enabling her to 
live longer. Being she'enedran to Tarma may very well have shared that 
effect between the two of them.

Also, I believe in The Oathbound that both of them were intended to be very 
young--19-21 at most. And in By The Sword, Tarma is feeling her age much 
more than Kethry is. For whatever it's worth.

I doubt Tarma's being Kal'enedral has much to do with it, since by that 
point she was no longer really acting as one very much. I don't think the 
Star-Eyed would prolong a Kal'enedral's life unless they were actively doing 
something as a Kal'enedral.

Zha'hai'allav'a,
Raven Darkblade and Mor the raven,
Holy Hand of the Goddess of Elves,
Member of the Mistic Circle,
Webmaster of the Circle of Stone,
Knight and Founding Member of the Order of Unsung Heroes;
http://www.angelfire.com/ky/Ashke/ - The Labyrinth


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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:48:00 -0700
From: "David Mark Nelson" <davidne-+AT+-microsoft.com>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: RE: new topics!! - Knights Gambit..
Message-ID: <6605DE4621E5934593474F620A14D70001419E2C-+AT+-red-msg-07.redmond.corp.microsoft.com>

Knights Gambit is the consolidation of two previous works of ML... Takes
place in the same world as the SERRAted Edge series.... Elves, Bards,
and Faeries in the modern day world... 

----Original Message-----
From: Robert Martin [mailto:rmartin-+AT+-gatewayticketing.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 9:36 AM
 
Subject: RE: new topics!!

> First: I was stareing fondly at a book of ML's today
> anf noticed in te inside jacket, no just a referance
> to the book called 'Knights Gambit'. Does anyone know
> anything about that book???

Sorry, no help there. <G>  I'd be interested in the answer as well.

> But what about Tarma?? Is Kethry extending her life
> somehow? That must be a majorly draining spell to cast
> of her AND Tarma. Or is the fact that she's
> Kel'enedral??

I think you hit it with her status as a Kel'enedral.  Technically
speaking,
she is a priest of her Goddess.  As that priest, she would have
additional
power not available to the regular mortal.

Tristaan


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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:11:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sara Peek <saddlefan-+AT+-yahoo.com>
To: Misty list <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: Age
Message-ID: <20010726171147.25520.qmail-+AT+-web4605.mail.yahoo.com>

Heyla listsibs!  On the Vows and Honor ages:  Kethry
did not necessarily have to cast rejuvenating spells. 
Somewhere in that series, no page #, she said
(paraphrase) that "magic keeps the holder alive long
past the normal span, then with little or no warning,
they die, as the magic burns them away from the
inside."  Without a doubt, this applies to Kethry, and
possibly Tarma, who is imbued with her Goddess's
magic.  Add the possibility of extra spells and Need
and they could live quite a while.  And on a tangent,
how about Need helping Warrl, as he is neither male
nor female?  Or would that just fall under "people
Kethry cares for"?

Wind to thy wings and lovely loud thunderstorms to
those who want them,
Sara
Psycho Sophomore 
<\__~

"We may be retreating, but we are STILL VICTORIUS!"


  

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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:20:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Li'nia Stormdancer" <lady_stormdancer-+AT+-yahoo.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: "Oath" Ages...
Message-ID: <20010726172028.56028.qmail-+AT+-web13806.mail.yahoo.com>

Heyla List-Sibs!

--- Robert Martin <rmartin-+AT+-gatewayticketing.com>
wrote:
> > But what about Tarma?? Is Kethry extending her
> >life somehow? That must be a majorly draining spell
> >to cast of her AND Tarma. Or is the fact that she's
> > Kel'enedral??
> 
> I think you hit it with her status as a Kel'enedral.
>  Technically speaking, she is a priest of her
>Goddess.  As that priest, she would have additional
> power not available to the regular mortal.

I believe that her status as Kel'enedral definetely is
a factor in this.  I also think that the Shin'a'in
Goddess had something to do with it.  She had shown
her approval that Tarma's Clan should live on,
although it had to be completely rebuilt.  So she may
have prolonged their lives simply because Kethry was
actively contributing to Clad Tale'sedrin(sp?).  She
appeared to have been having children well past the
normal child-bearing age. (IMHO.  Of course, I've just
re-read David Edding's "The Tamuli" trilogy, which
made this idea pop into my head.)  Her status as an
Adept probably contributed to her longevity as well. 
Also, the Goddess had blessed them, letting them be
she'enedra (again, sp? no books with me).  If she had
taken one without the other, it would have devastated
the one remaining alive.  While they weren't
lifebonded, they were tightly bonded...

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             Peon to the Powers That Be, 
          Goddess of All Things Possessed, &
 Caretaker of the Arena of Discussion and Dissention

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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 17:38:46 
From: "Rebecca McAllister" <becs71-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 2651
Message-ID: <F34zhad2VqKwRPQIWDO00001b1d-+AT+-hotmail.com>





>From: "Abigail Laughlin" <abbykat-+AT+-hotmail.com>

>I doubt Tarma's being Kal'enedral has much to do with it, since by that
>point she was no longer really acting as one very much. I don't think the
>Star-Eyed would prolong a Kal'enedral's life unless they were actively 
>doing
>something as a Kal'enedral.

Ah, Maybe she DID have something to do. Maybe the stareyed wntedher around 
to help Kerowyn. it was prophecied story and all. Maybe that is why Tarma is 
still around. Kethry is probably just around becuase of her magic.

Becca
Lady of all Titleless entities(see, now I have a title)

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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:36:24 -0400
From: "Dionne, Judith" <Judith.Dionne-+AT+-fchp.org>
To: <mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Tarma's age
Message-ID: <2CCA5938BD61874BBDFD97AA9B6DAF5C415F3C-+AT+-scheexc01.FHS.COM>

in re:  Tarma's age:  I got the impression in BTS that by the time that
Kero got herself established as Captain (or even before when she was
Scoutmaster or something) that Kethry and Tarma had passed.  It's just a
brief mention, something about visiting family while on winter break; a
line about the only (I would assume immediate from the reference) family
she had (at the time) was her brother and his wife.  I don't have the
direct quote, I'm at work and don't have the books with me.  I think it
was when she was deciding to visit Daren at court.

in re: Tarma as lesh'ye Kal'endral:  I caught that hint the first time I
read the book, and thought it was a great tie-in, especially how the
Storms trilogy starts with Eslpeth being trained in "attitude"
mercilessly by Kero and Skif.

My question is, for the original query person, is where/how did you
settle on those dates? The dateline at the beginning of the Storms books
do not appear to be that specific. (no flame intended, just plain
curiosity.)

Ciocia Judi, Mistress of StyxJam III
The Polish Blonde in Worcester AND
Rabid Styx Fan of Central Massachusetts
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste
good with ketchup.



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. If Tarma took care of herself, I see no reason why, with help, she
can't make it to 120 years old. Regular people can make it that long.
On a related topic: I was reading the Winds/Storms books and I noticed
something cool. One of the
lesh'y is Tarma! She calls Elspeth "student of my student" 
I'm rambling. Hope some of this made sense. :)
Jessie

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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 18:48:03 
From: "Layla Voll" <layla_voll-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: RE: new topics!! - Knights Gambit..
Message-ID: <F7Gxw8Zw5V6QcqnWwAe00000448-+AT+-hotmail.com>

David Mark Nelson writes:

>Knights Gambit is the consolidation of two previous works of ML... Takes
>place in the same world as the SERRAted Edge series.... Elves, Bards,
>and Faeries in the modern day world...

Are you sure?  I thought "Knight's Gambit" was the upcoming Alberich book, 
due out in the fall of 2002, which I think starts off with Alberich in Karse 
and takes us up through the Tedrel War to the beginning of the other 
upcoming Valdemar book, "Takes A Thief," aka The Story of Skif.

Layla


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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 12:10:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Silvershadow <silvers_shadow-+AT+-yahoo.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: RE: Tarma's age
Message-ID: <20010726191007.19066.qmail-+AT+-web4503.mail.yahoo.com>


--- "Dionne, Judith" <Judith.Dionne-+AT+-fchp.org> wrote:
> 
> My question is, for the original query person, is
> where/how did you
> settle on those dates? The dateline at the beginning
> of the Storms books
> do not appear to be that specific. (no flame
> intended, just plain
> curiosity.)


The dates? Ahh, I DID say 'round abouts those dates,
and I just grabbed them out of the time lines. There
was only one date given for everything that happened
in the AotQ books, BtS, tMW and the Mage Storm books
so I just said the one date that was there.



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Zhai'hellava

     ~Silvershadow~
    Chocobo of Legend 
Wielder of the Sacred SPOON

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Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 08:38:42 +1000
From: "Lisa T" <purple_alicorn-+AT+-hotmail.com>
To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk
Subject: RE: Tarma's age
Message-ID: <LAW2-F66hx5G6Rj1X4R00008e8f-+AT+-hotmail.com>




--- "Dionne, Judith" <Judith.Dionne-+AT+-fchp.org> wrote:
 >
 > My question is, for the original query person, is
 > where/how did you
 > settle on those dates?

>Silvershadow replies

>The dates? Ahh, I DID say 'round abouts those dates,
>and I just grabbed them out of the time lines. There
>was only one date given for everything that happened
>in the AotQ books, BtS, tMW and the Mage Storm books
>so I just said the one date that was there.

AH ha! query solved. As far as I know, the dates are the time when the 
king/queen of Valdemar first started their reign. Therefore IMHO, the 
duology is set somewhere between 1270 and 1315, and by the sword, I would 
say is set (at the begining) just before/right at 1376, sinmly due to the 
fact that Selenay's 1st marriage/husband's death is mentioned.

Now, if this is the case, then in BTS T&K may only be about 80-86, which is 
MUCH more beliveable and has none of this 'life extending'problems.

Confirmation of the dates is there with the LHM series - If the dates were 
taken for when the book was set, and Van was 16 in the first book that would 
make him 60 or so in the 2nd two, when in fact he is 30 or so!!

Just my 2c

Lisa


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