MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2687 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Off topic response RE: 1632 by Sisterbluerose 2) Re: Off topic response RE: 1632 by "Misty's Secretary" 3) Re: Off topic response RE: 1632 by Michael C McNeill 4) Re: Off topic response RE: 1632 by Sisterbluerose 5) RE: Off topic response RE: 1632 by "Robert Martin" 6) RE: Off topic response RE: 1632 by "Robert Martin" 7) Here is where things get stickey...think about by Sisterbluerose 8) RE: Off topic response RE: 1632 by Sisterbluerose 9) Re: Off topic response RE: 1632 by Michael C McNeill 10) RE: Off topic response RE: 1632 by "Robert Martin" 11) RE: Off topic response RE: 1632 by "Robert Martin" 12) ON TOPIC - Spirits ... by Julia Gray 13) RE: Here is where things get stickey...think about by "Robert Martin" 14) Re: Off topic response RE: 1632 by "Liz Hodson" 15) RE: Off topic response RE: 1632 by "Robert Martin" 16) RE: Off topic response RE: 1632 by "TPONY WHITEHORSE" 17) Re: Off topic response RE: 1632 by "TPONY WHITEHORSE" 18) I thought by Sisterbluerose 19) Re: ON TOPIC - Spirits ... by "tntgray" 20) BB Reactions by "Robert Martin" 21) Monthly NewbieFest and Welcome by "tntgray" 22) Re: Here is where things get stickey...think about by Jodie8581-+AT+-aol.com 23) Re: Here is where things get stickey...think about by "Lorna Appleby" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 14:30:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Sisterbluerose To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Off topic response RE: 1632 Message-ID: <20010904213057.27257.qmail-+AT+-web13504.mail.yahoo.com> Well, children going to public school are not allowed free speech at all. The new search and seizure laws allow any law enforcement officer to take anything away from anyone. In fact the drug war and it's attendant laws violates 8 of the ten amendments. And they are trying to make it a violation to talk about drugs online. And the president wants to violate the freedom of religion by funding some religions and not others. Of course, he claims it's all right because my religion is not a religion. And the social services come without warrants to take children into foster homes. I read that 38% of the children taken into foster care are unfounded, and it will take up to a year to get the children back after it has been found unfounded. They have to take courses and such, even after they are found innocent. ===== What's the difference between genius and stupidity? There is an end to genius, there is no end to stupidity. My Mom Sister Blue Rose Lucinda-June Chapman http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PagansforHarryPotter/join http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/NYunschoolPagans http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/uuhomeschooling School takes 13 years, because that is how long it takes to break a child's spirit. ML King http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/OzSalon http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/Womanspirit __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 16:52:28 +0100 From: "Misty's Secretary" To: Subject: Re: Off topic response RE: 1632 Message-ID: *grin* Read the book, then go to www.baen.com, log into the bar and take it up with Eric personally. I understand that he just loves to discuss exactly things like that, and has been doing so since the book was published. I'm given to understand that he's currently working on a sequel. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 18:09:58 -0400 From: Michael C McNeill To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Off topic response RE: 1632 Message-ID: <20010904.181001.-178655.6.firewing-+AT+-juno.com> On Tue, 4 Sep 2001 23:05:45 +0100 (BST) Sisterbluerose writes: > Well, Ye fergot gun control. --M ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 16:43:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Sisterbluerose To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Off topic response RE: 1632 Message-ID: <20010904234304.86632.qmail-+AT+-web13507.mail.yahoo.com> yeah, I did. Where would the citizens of grantville be if they hadn't been well armed? ===== What's the difference between genius and stupidity? There is an end to genius, there is no end to stupidity. My Mom Sister Blue Rose Lucinda-June Chapman http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PagansforHarryPotter/join http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/NYunschoolPagans http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/uuhomeschooling School takes 13 years, because that is how long it takes to break a child's spirit. ML King http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/OzSalon http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/Womanspirit __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 08:38:20 -0400 From: "Robert Martin" To: Subject: RE: Off topic response RE: 1632 Message-ID: > Well, children going to public school are not allowed > free speech at all. They're not? By what definition are you going for on "free speech"? If you mean, "the freedom to say anything at anytime", no, they do not. However, if you mean, the freedom to express opinion without retribution, then yes, they do have that. > The new search and seizure laws allow any law > enforcement officer to take anything away from anyone. With just cause...and the officer MUST prove that they had just cause before that something can be used in any court otherwise it's what they call "poisoned fruit". > In fact the drug war and it's attendant laws violates > 8 of the ten amendments. And they are trying to make > it a violation to talk about drugs online. Here is where things get stickey...think about the term...Drug War...this is a war....it is being treated as a war...in war, there are different rules...the whole drug thing is being treated as a military venture subject to military rules of engagement. > And the president wants to violate the freedom of > religion by funding some religions and not others. Of > course, he claims it's all right because my religion > is not a religion. Funny, I didn't hear him say anything about "funding" any specific religions. All I heard was an allowance that social services funding should not be restricted to non-religion institutions if there are religious institutions that meet the need. Now, if the topic does come up, I'm sure that the US Supreme Court would have to make a decision on this. That's what the US Supreme Court is there for. However, if no one fights the decisions, then it's just going to keep on going. But, think on this, by allowing federal funding to go towards ANY organization doing a good work, that leaves the whole thing wide open...not just specifically Christian organizations, but ANY organization that can prove that they are doing a communal good-work. That's the way our legal system works. One crack in the door allows everyone else to get their foot in and we all benefit. > And the social services come without warrants to take > children into foster homes. I read that 38% of the > children taken into foster care are unfounded, and it > will take up to a year to get the children back after > it has been found unfounded. They have to take courses > and such, even after they are found innocent. This you and I have no arguement over. Social services I think overstep their bounds WAY too often and need someone to rein them in. People accuse people of abuse where none exists and, when it comes to social services, "guilty until proven innocent". Again, keep in mind that ALL the amendments in the US Constitution are subject to interpretation by the court system. One decade they may mean one thing, the next a decision may reverse the process. Our laws are not static. That's one thing that sets our country apart from all others and why we haven't had governmental upheaval for 150 years...our laws change as they need to. Tristaan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 08:42:49 -0400 From: "Robert Martin" To: Subject: RE: Off topic response RE: 1632 Message-ID: > yeah, I did. > > Where would the citizens of grantville be if they > hadn't been well armed? Now here again I agree with current government policy. Men and women should be allowed to carry weapons for self defence. However, assault weapons such as automatic machine guns and high-powered sniper rifles...where does a common citizen need such firepower? All that does is make them available to the public and we ALL know how reliable some of the people in our great nation are when given responsibility... But again, if we go back to original intent of the "Right to Bear Arms"...that amendment was written in reaction to British colonial rule that the colonists could not own weapons. The "Right to Bear Arms" was given for just the circumstance that our forefathers dealt with in 1776...to raise up against a tyrannical government. Our government is far from tyrannical...unfair and unjust in many ways, but not tyrannical. And besides, should someone come into power with tyranny as a world view, there are PLENTY of options for the US people outside of violence to solve the problems. Tristaan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 06:13:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Sisterbluerose To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Here is where things get stickey...think about Message-ID: <20010905131325.96960.qmail-+AT+-web13504.mail.yahoo.com> "Here is where things get stickey...think about the term...Drug War...this is" 98% of what they are fighting is hemp, and that is a medicine, and a useful thing. http://www.jackherer.com/ http://www.mcwilliams.com/books/books/aint/ What has happened is that the government has declared war on the American People and decided that the Bill of Rights does not apply. ===== What's the difference between genius and stupidity? There is an end to genius, there is no end to stupidity. My Mom Sister Blue Rose Lucinda-June Chapman http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PagansforHarryPotter/join http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/NYunschoolPagans http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/uuhomeschooling School takes 13 years, because that is how long it takes to break a child's spirit. ML King http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/OzSalon http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/Womanspirit __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 06:18:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Sisterbluerose To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: RE: Off topic response RE: 1632 Message-ID: <20010905131857.82681.qmail-+AT+-web13509.mail.yahoo.com> "express opinion without retribution, then yes, they do have that." When my son argued with his health teacher, he got failing marks in his class. Is that no retribution? What is being sent to the prinicpal if not retribution? When they threatened to suspend my son for casting spells on the other students, that was retribution for no action at all... Of course, my son was smart, and threatened to have his mother sue.. And said we needed the money we'd get when the school system lost.... ===== What's the difference between genius and stupidity? There is an end to genius, there is no end to stupidity. My Mom Sister Blue Rose Lucinda-June Chapman http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PagansforHarryPotter/join http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/NYunschoolPagans http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/uuhomeschooling School takes 13 years, because that is how long it takes to break a child's spirit. ML King http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/OzSalon http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/Womanspirit __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:35:07 -0400 From: Michael C McNeill To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Off topic response RE: 1632 Message-ID: <20010905.093516.-275145.3.firewing-+AT+-juno.com> On Wed, 5 Sep 2001 13:55:50 +0100 (BST) "Robert Martin" writes: > > yeah, I did. > > > > Where would the citizens of grantville be if they > > hadn't been well armed? Dead or enslaved. > Now here again I agree with current government policy. Men and women should > be allowed to carry weapons for self defence. However, assault weapons such > as automatic machine guns and high-powered sniper rifles...where does a > common citizen need such firepower? Out of all crimes committed with a firearm, how many involve automatic weapons in the hands of the criminals (inside the USA, I'm talking)? How many of those very very few were legally purchased and not just a "hacksaw conversion" of a semi-auto firearm? Even the dreaded "semi-automatic assault weapon" is used in only a tiny fraction of crimes. "High-powered sniper rifles" are nothing more than ordinary hunting rifles in the hands of military-trained snipers. One of the primary Marine Corps sniper rifles during and since the VietNam war has been the Remington M-700 bolt-action rifle, commonly used to take game animals across the USA. Now, I am fairly certain you had in mind the heavier .50-cal rifles like the Barrett when you wrote that. Again, how many crimes have been committed using a Barrett or similar rifle? > All that does is make them available to > the public and we ALL know how reliable some of the people in our > great nation are when given responsibility... And in a properly armed and respectful society, the danger they present ends quickly. Next question - have you ever looked at the costs involved in owning and shooting a full-auto weapon? That takes them out of the realm of "easy availability and use" right there. > Our government is far from tyrannical... Indeed... "no-knock" warrants, seizure of assets for resale by local law agencies - regardless of guilt or innocence, courts that "interpret" fundamental laws in widely-varying manners, Federal systems in place that usurp powers and authorities duly reserved to the States, child-welfare cases resulting in children being wrongfully removed from their homes, "Public" lands being labelled "off limits" to the public, non-native animals being protected at the expense of local human population, Federal agencies that falsify information to obtain the hardware and authority they want - and then covering up any evidence of wrong-doing, "eminent domain" condemnations, property seizures following natural disasters as owners are trying to rebuild and improve their property, animal destructions based on "junk science" and hysteria, muzzling Free Speech because health-care methods involved aren't "approved" - beacuse they are natural and thus can't be patented, forcing "alternative lifestyle" education while shutting out "traditional" values, docs asking kids if their parents own guns, zoning laws, property taxes - if you don't pay rent on somthing you already purchased, the govt takes it away... I call all that "bureaucratic tyranny." I'll stop now before I ruin my day. Believe it or not, a conversation similar to this was going on before work this morning during "coffee time." > a world view, there are PLENTY of options for the US people outside > of violence to solve the problems. I'm interested in hearing them. Well - now that we have *totally* strayed from the main focus of this list... Semper Fidelis --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 10:14:16 -0400 From: "Robert Martin" To: Subject: RE: Off topic response RE: 1632 Message-ID: > "express opinion without > retribution, then yes, they do have that." > > When my son argued with his health teacher, he got > failing marks in his class. Is that no retribution? > What is being sent to the prinicpal if not > retribution? Depends on the arguement. As a teacher, I understand the need to maintain order in the classroom to provide an environment conducive to learning for the students. An argumentative student detracts from that learning environment. One thing that is overlooked in all these rights from the Bill of Rights is an element of responsibility: You have all those rights WITH THE UNDERSTANDING that you will not infringe upon the rights of others. You may speak your opinion to the teacher. However, if that expression interferes with the rights of the other students to an education, than you need to be held responsible. All rights come with responsibility. > When they threatened to suspend my son for casting > spells on the other students, that was retribution for > no action at all... Of course, my son was smart, and > threatened to have his mother sue.. And said we needed > the money we'd get when the school system lost.... And your son did the right thing...if there is a legitimate interference with your rights, you have the right to sue. But arguing with the teacher and keeping him/her from doing the job they are paid to do is a violiation of the teacher's rights and your son had a consequence to pay. Tristaan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 10:15:53 -0400 From: "Robert Martin" To: Subject: RE: Off topic response RE: 1632 Message-ID: > Well - now that we have *totally* strayed from the main focus of this > list... Agreed...so, I offer my e-mail address (found in the headers of this message) for any further discussion on the topics therein. Tristaan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 09:15:24 -0500 From: Julia Gray To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: ON TOPIC - Spirits ... Message-ID: <3B96337C.E2D530C1-+AT+-oakton.edu> I see "Spirits White as Lightning" is coming out in December ... do we know what that is about? It's with Rosemary Edghill . . . I'm eagerly awaiting "Take a Thief" ... I note that people keep misquoting the title as "Takes a thief" but Take a thief leaves the possibility of what do you do with a thief (ie Take a thief and.... what??) ... we know, luckily, the ultimate result when the collegium does take a thief -- it's that middle part of how he got there that will be interesting. enough rambling . . . . betha'lis ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 10:19:11 -0400 From: "Robert Martin" To: Subject: RE: Here is where things get stickey...think about Message-ID: > "Here is where things get stickey...think about > the term...Drug War...this is" > > 98% of what they are fighting is hemp, and that is a > medicine, and a useful thing. > > http://www.jackherer.com/ > > http://www.mcwilliams.com/books/books/aint/ > > What has happened is that the government has declared > war on the American People and decided that the Bill > of Rights does not apply. Here I disagree...what happens most often in this "War" is more on cocaine...marijuana is involved but cocaine and crack are the main focus...as well as the smuggling of said drugs into the country by people outside the country. Now, here's another thing...the people growing hemp in their backyard...how many of them are growing it for medicine and how many are growing it to sell on the street as a recreational drug? As with any medicine, the US has procedures for allowing a medicine for public use. If hemp is such a good medication, then the people who think so should go through the FDA approval regulations and get it available... Heck, many of the prescription medicines over the counter could also be abused...thinking of cough medicine with codeine...as a prescribed mediciation, it's fine. Abused on the street, it's not. There are precedures... As with the gun legislation topic, I offer my e-mail address in the headers of this message for any further discussion...let's move this off the list. Tristaan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 15:37:25 +0100 From: "Liz Hodson" To: Subject: Re: Off topic response RE: 1632 Message-ID: <000901c13618$4f727260$04389ec4-+AT+-WS04> ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael C McNeill To: Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 3:09 PM Subject: Re: Off topic response RE: 1632 > On Wed, 5 Sep 2001 13:55:50 +0100 (BST) "Robert Martin" > writes: > > Now here again I agree with current government policy. Men and women > should > > be allowed to carry weapons for self defence. The weapons available illegally will always be more powerful than the legal varieties so why make any legal in the first place. That way if someone has a weapon then it's already an offense instead of waiting until after they hurt someone with it. Carrying a weapon indicates a willingness to use it. This leads to it being used in situations where it might not be necessary and therefore an increase in violence not a decrease. Liz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 11:31:50 -0400 From: "Robert Martin" To: Subject: RE: Off topic response RE: 1632 Message-ID: > > > Now here again I agree with current government policy. Men and women > > should > > > be allowed to carry weapons for self defence. > > The weapons available illegally will always be more powerful than > the legal > varieties so why make any legal in the first place. That way if > someone has > a weapon then it's already an offense instead of waiting until after they > hurt someone with it. Carrying a weapon indicates a willingness to use it. > This leads to it being used in situations where it might not be necessary > and therefore an increase in violence not a decrease. Let's move this off list, if we can...e-mail me privately, please and I'll be happy to discuss this with you. Tristaan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 16:14:52 +0000 From: "TPONY WHITEHORSE" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: RE: Off topic response RE: 1632 Message-ID: Here is where i have to sep in and put in my two cents worth. >From: "Robert Martin" >Reply-To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk >To: burley1-+AT+-hotmail.com >Subject: RE: Off topic response RE: 1632 >Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 13:54:57 +0100 (BST) > > > yeah, I did. > > > > Where would the citizens of grantville be if they > > hadn't been well armed? > >Now here again I agree with current government policy. Men and women >should >be allowed to carry weapons for self defence. So far so good. However, assault weapons such >as automatic machine guns and high-powered sniper rifles... First off lets get the terminology correct. Machine guns are automatic. Period! There is no other kind. Weapons that combine both simi and fully automatic functions are assault rifles. Simi-automatic weapons are just that simi (meaining not fully) automatic. One trigger pull, one shot, without manually operating any other device on the weapon. And then you have your repeating weapons such as bolt action, pump action and lever action weapons. These require some method of manually cycleing the weapon from shot to shot. where does a >common citizen need such firepower? In most cases the so called common citizen does not want such weapons. However for the ones that would desire such. FOR THEIR OWN PERFECTLY LEGAL REASONS. Should have, and in certain states, do have the right to purchase, collect, and shoot machine guns. All that does is make them available to >the public and we ALL know how reliable some of the people in our great >nation are when given responsibility... Yes there are boneheads and sociapaths in this country. That in and of itself should never infringe on the rights of the rest of the nation. As for abailability, the vast majority of ANY type of weapon used in unlawfull manner are stolen or acquired through illegal methods. Hopefully no one reading this belives that Joe slimeball gangbanger goes through the current purchaseing process, spends a significant amount of money, and then uses the purchased weapon to perform a drive by shooting. In addition also keep in mind that the military has had many weapons up to and includeing heavy weapons stolen from thier arms rooms. Nothing is totaly secure anywhere. > >But again, if we go back to original intent of the "Right to Bear >Arms"...that amendment was written in reaction to British colonial rule >that >the colonists could not own weapons. The "Right to Bear Arms" was given >for >just the circumstance that our forefathers dealt with in 1776...to raise up >against a tyrannical government. Almost totally correct. Just a little addition here. The Right also gives our government some incentive to maintain respect to the citizens of the currnt times. > >Our government is far from tyrannical...unfair and unjust in many ways, but >not tyrannical. And besides, should someone come into power with tyranny >as >a world view, there are PLENTY of options for the US people outside of >violence to solve the problems. Agreed. But the option for the people of this country to take back their government is also there. Even if that scene seems so remote and rediculus. TP Whitehorse _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 16:23:25 +0000 From: "TPONY WHITEHORSE" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Off topic response RE: 1632 Message-ID: ROTFL!!! >From: "Liz Hodson" >Reply-To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk >To: burley1-+AT+-hotmail.com >Subject: Re: Off topic response RE: 1632 >Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 16:25:32 +0100 (BST) > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Michael C McNeill >To: >Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 3:09 PM >Subject: Re: Off topic response RE: 1632 > > > > On Wed, 5 Sep 2001 13:55:50 +0100 (BST) "Robert Martin" > > writes: > > > Now here again I agree with current government policy. Men and women > > should > > > be allowed to carry weapons for self defence. > >The weapons available illegally will always be more powerful than the legal >varieties so why make any legal in the first place. That way if someone has >a weapon then it's already an offense instead of waiting until after they >hurt someone with it. Carrying a weapon indicates a willingness to use it. >This leads to it being used in situations where it might not be necessary >and therefore an increase in violence not a decrease. > >Liz > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:26:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Sisterbluerose To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: I thought Message-ID: <20010905162602.53571.qmail-+AT+-web13503.mail.yahoo.com> It wouldn't matter so much, since we weren't discussing misty anyway. I loved Burning Brightly, although I can't like the Herald sacrifice on the end. ===== What's the difference between genius and stupidity? There is an end to genius, there is no end to stupidity. My Mom Sister Blue Rose Lucinda-June Chapman http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PagansforHarryPotter/join http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/NYunschoolPagans http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/uuhomeschooling School takes 13 years, because that is how long it takes to break a child's spirit. ML King http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/OzSalon http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/Womanspirit __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 12:41:57 -0500 From: "tntgray" To: Subject: Re: ON TOPIC - Spirits ... Message-ID: <00c401c13632$13fd0be0$66d8193f-+AT+-pavilion> Julia asked: > I see "Spirits White as Lightning" is coming out in December ... do we know what that is about? It's with Rosemary > Edghill . . . Yes, It's the next Bedlam Bardz book! All about Beth and Kory! Having read a few snippets, its going to be WONDERFUL!!!!!<--look 5! I'm truly looking forward to it. Dax ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 13:49:00 -0400 From: "Robert Martin" To: Subject: BB Reactions Message-ID: > It wouldn't matter so much, since we weren't > discussing misty anyway. I loved Burning Brightly, > although I can't like the Herald sacrifice on the end. Neither did I...not for any philosophical reasons but because I had begun to identify with Lavan's character and did not like seeing him die. Although, his death was for the good of his country, similar to the deaths of our service men and women defending our country. Tristaan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 12:52:25 -0500 From: "tntgray" To: Subject: Monthly NewbieFest and Welcome Message-ID: <00d801c13633$87fe3360$66d8193f-+AT+-pavilion> Heyla listsibs, Its that time of month again! So, as a reminder to the experienced members on the list, and to help new members that may have lost their welcome letter...or Havens forefend...never gotten one...hope this helps! The books that are officially in spoilers are: Serpent's Shadow Brightly Burning Beyond the World's End Please use a spoiler space when talking about specifics in these books, also put them in your subject line. You can also put other books in the subject line, for people who don't want to read about them. There are two pages that will help you with the list and help answer some of those pesky questions. The first, Mel's Rules of Thumb, are at http://www.herald.co.uk/local_info/rules_thumb.html It's a short page, and talks about the to do's and don'ts of the list The second page, the NewbieFest, will give you a little more of a feel towards the list, and help you out with things like, "What's up with the sheep?". *grin* It's located at http://www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/pers/misty/newbiefest.html If you would like an email copy of the Newbie Fest, let me or one of the other councilors know and we'll get it to you ASAP. Also, you may want to read about some of the abbreviations we use on the list, such as "YKYRTMMLW..." or "ObMisty". You can find a list of all of the abbreviations you'll ever see used on the list at: http://www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/pers/misty/abbrev.html If you at any time have any other questions, feel free to voice them on the list, or ask myself or one of the other Councilors (we have our titles in our signatures) privately. We'd be glad to help. Current Councilors are: GodesCarla-+AT+-aol.com - Autumnwing Kenny-+AT+-Udel.edu - Cennydd eleonora-+AT+-infodynamics.com.uy - Ele SEANSQ-+AT+-aol.com - Meg pixel-+AT+-capecod.net - True minterra-+AT+-yahoo.com - Wintershard and tntgray-+AT+-msn.com - Dax Oh, one last thing..you need to turn off html when you are sending messages to the list, the listserver, Vanyel, doesn't like html, so it adds all kinds of hard to read stuff to your messages. If you need help with that please ask*grin* Should you ever wish to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to listproc-+AT+-herald.co.uk with a blank Subject: and message body unsubscribe mercedes-lackey An index of the list's archives can be retrieved by sending mail to listproc-+AT+-herald.co.uk with a blank subject and message body index mercedes-lackey For help with other Listprocessor commands, send mail to listproc-+AT+-herald.co.uk with a blank subject and message body help Any questions about the mailing list should be addressed to lackey-owner-+AT+-herald.co.uk Wind to thy Wings, Dax the Eternal, Councilor of Mist, Goddess of Elves and Unicorns, Knight of Fluff Evangelist of Low Humor, Mistic Watcher of Continuity NewbieFest: http://www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/pers/misty/newbiefest.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 14:13:32 EDT From: Jodie8581-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Here is where things get stickey...think about Message-ID: <139.132fe6a.28c7c54c-+AT+-aol.com> --part1_139.132fe6a.28c7c54c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just wanted to respond to the comment about everyone fighting to get pot legalized. My hall director is actually taking a legal class right now and the reason pot cannot be lagalized no matter how its justified is because back inthe 70s (dont quote me on the year) a treaty with a whole bunch of other nations was signed and in this treaty it listed a bunch of substances that were going to be illegal and among them was marijuana. So we can not legalize it with out breaking the treaty. And the power of treaties falls right below the constitution so unless a constitutional amendment is made to legalize pot. It wont happen becaus eof the treaty the US signed so many years ago. Jodie --part1_139.132fe6a.28c7c54c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just wanted to respond to the comment about everyone fighting to get pot
legalized.  My hall director is actually taking a legal class right now and
the reason pot cannot be lagalized no matter how its justified is because
back inthe 70s (dont quote me on the year) a treaty with a whole bunch of
other nations was signed and in this treaty it listed a bunch of substances
that were going to be illegal and among them was marijuana.  So we can not
legalize it with out breaking the treaty.  And the power of treaties falls
right below the constitution so unless a constitutional amendment is made to
legalize pot.  It wont happen becaus eof the treaty the US signed so many
years ago.

Jodie --part1_139.132fe6a.28c7c54c_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 13:36:44 -0700 From: "Lorna Appleby" To: Subject: Re: Here is where things get stickey...think about Message-ID: <004b01c1364a$79eb2d20$f201a8c0-+AT+-backtalk.org> I sympathize with people who smoke pot because they have cancer, or glaucoma of the eye.. and in Canada, it's legal to use for such purposes in the privacy of their own home. (Yup, you can get prescriptions for dope now up here) But don't call me sympathetic for those who just want to smoke up, get high and destroy their braincells. But that might be because I'm so allergic to the damn stuff second hand smoke off a joint is enough to cause heart pala.. y'know, heart problems. ^_^ And as absolutely fascinating as the arguement on the American Government IS.. I think you've refreshed the views of every non-American on the list of why they don't live there. ^_~ .. Now, onto something a little bit more ontopic as I braid some stuff... ^_^ Favourite Character : Kerowyn. ^_^ Favourite Book : Children of the Night Favourite Valdemar Book : Storm Warning ..and a question.. Anyone think the healer's are just a wee bit too powerful? .. Being able to heal Polio for example? ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2687 **********************************