MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2688 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Here is where things get stickey...think about by "Liz Hoffman" 2) Healers by Sisterbluerose 3) Re: Healers by Mary Ellen Hunt 4) Re: Monthly NewbieFest and Welcome by Jenypher8-+AT+-aol.com 5) Re: Off topic response RE: 1632 by MDennis460-+AT+-aol.com 6) Valdemaran Bill of Rights - Privacy of the mind by "Peter Allen" 7) Healers abilities by "Peter Allen" 8) Valdemaran Bill of Rights - Ownership of weapons by "Peter Allen" 9) Valdemaran Bill of Rights - Drug Use ... or Abuse by "Peter Allen" 10) Re: Off topic response RE: 1632 by "Misty's Secretary" 11) Re: BB Reactions by "Misty's Secretary" 12) Re: Valdemaran Bill of Rights - Privacy of the mind by "True" 13) Re: ON TOPIC - Spirits ... by =?iso-8859-1?q?Sheridan=20Hoy?= 14) Re: Here is where things get stickey...think about by Michael C McNeill 15) Re: ON TOPIC - Spirits ... by Michael C McNeill 16) back on topic... by Michael C McNeill 17) Re: Valdemaran Bill of Rights - Privacy of the mind by Michael C McNeill 18) Re: Valdemaran Bill of Rights - Ownership of weapons by "Lorna Appleby" 19) Re: Valdemaran Bill of Rights - Privacy of the mind by "Li'nia Stormdancer" 20) Half Blood Chronicles (yet again) by Ryoko 21) Re: Valdemaran Bill of Rights - Privacy of the mind by Sisterbluerose 22) Bye! by "Misty's Secretary" 23) kethry by "Morrigan Moon" 24) MIST:How to get off the list for anyone who didn't read the Newbie Fest by "tntgray" 25) Re: Half Blood Chronicles (yet again) by "tntgray" 26) RE: kethry by "Robert Martin" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 22:22:55 +0100 From: "Liz Hoffman" To: Subject: Re: Here is where things get stickey...think about Message-ID: <002801c13650$ef25ccc0$0fa57ad5-+AT+-oemcomputer> > Favourite Character : Kerowyn. ^_^ Natoli or Karal (and I picked what for my username?) Most admired character: Sa(y)vil > Favourite Book : Children of the Night Fire Rose > Favourite Valdemar Book : Storm Warning Magics Price > .and a question.. Anyone think the healer's are just a wee bit too > powerful? .. Being able to heal Polio for example? But not cure the after effects once the virus was done, which I don't understand, if you can do that much healing why can't you mend the muscles / nerves afterwards. Killing that many virus particles and then not being able to... Don't think it was ment to be polio there was all that stuff about the method of infection (bites) and original site of infection (lungs) which don't match polio (you eat it, and mostly it doesn't get out your guts, thats why its an oral vaccine). Anyone notice that Misty seems to take a well known illness and rewrite the rules on it like the great pox reference in Winds (that was Syphilis in RL but smallpox there)? Liz / Savil1 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free -+AT+-yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 14:34:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Sisterbluerose To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Healers Message-ID: <20010905213414.65694.qmail-+AT+-web13506.mail.yahoo.com> The healers are varible powerful. I don't think all the healers could heal polio. I'm comfused because they are supposedly not using magic. All I can heal are migraines. ===== What's the difference between genius and stupidity? There is an end to genius, there is no end to stupidity. My Mom Sister Blue Rose Lucinda-June Chapman http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PagansforHarryPotter/join http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/NYunschoolPagans http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/uuhomeschooling School takes 13 years, because that is how long it takes to break a child's spirit. ML King http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/OzSalon http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/Womanspirit __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 19:33:18 -0400 From: Mary Ellen Hunt To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Healers Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010905190354.009e2c90-+AT+-mail.qx.net> At 11:03 PM 9/5/01 +0100, Sisterbluerose wrote: >The healers are varible powerful. I don't think all >the healers could heal polio. >I'm comfused because they are supposedly not using >magic. In The Black Gryphon, I seem to remember a passage where Amberdrake says something about "speeding up the natural processes of the human body.......1,000 times faster than normal...burning away infection". It sounds like a metabolic, rather than a magical, process. People can use biofeedback to change the functions of their bodily processes; so I guess it would "work"........ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 21:34:33 EDT From: Jenypher8-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Monthly NewbieFest and Welcome Message-ID: <145.11a475a.28c82ca9-+AT+-aol.com> --part1_145.11a475a.28c82ca9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, everybody so sorry for the inconveince, but I was trying to desubscribe from the list and it keeps giving me "error invalid command" so I tried doing help and I got the same thing. Can someone help me? Jennifer --part1_145.11a475a.28c82ca9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, everybody so sorry for the inconveince, but I was trying to desubscribe
from the list and it keeps giving me "error invalid command" so I tried doing
help and I got the same thing. Can someone help me? Jennifer --part1_145.11a475a.28c82ca9_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 21:44:24 EDT From: MDennis460-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Off topic response RE: 1632 Message-ID: <153.7f81f9.28c82ef8-+AT+-aol.com> --part1_153.7f81f9.28c82ef8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nothing personal, but I signed up to be on the Mercedes lackey LISTSERV to listen to and communicate/discuss Mercedes lackey's books and stories and related literature and issues. I have read several messages that have nothing to do with this listserv's function. I don't think I wish to read any more. can this off topic response to 1632 which I don't understand please be taken off the list serve so we can get back to our original purpose for being? Thank you. --part1_153.7f81f9.28c82ef8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nothing personal, but I signed up to be on the Mercedes lackey LISTSERV to
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I have read several messages that have nothing to do with this listserv's
function. I don't think I wish to read any more.  can this off topic response
to 1632 which I don't understand please be taken off the list serve so we can
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Thank you. --part1_153.7f81f9.28c82ef8_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 01:46:57 -0400 From: "Peter Allen" To: Subject: Valdemaran Bill of Rights - Privacy of the mind Message-ID: <00e801c13697$611aea40$07631a42-+AT+-triad.rr.com> As this seemed to be a fairly interesting subject, yet unfortunately off-topic, I had thought to lean it towards a more Valdemaran slant instead of asking the conversation to be completely dropped out of hand. Once, when we had a scientific conversation, it was summarily ended, and it was an unfortunate thing. Politicians, historians, lovers of debate, why don't we get things going, eh? Sister Blue Rose wrote: >The new search and seizure laws allow any law >enforcement officer to take anything away from anyone. Barring the intricacies of the United States government, let's question this topic in Valdemaran practice. We have been given a unique point of view by the author, in that we have perused the thoughts and experiences of the authority figures, enforcers, and violators. Of course, it can be argued that we have not been given a complete dossier of thoughts on the subject, and it is quite possible that an entire library in Haven is devoted to the subject on its own right, but what does everyone think about a Herald's ability to "search and seize" based off of thoughts alone? The topics of interest that I would have include the privacy of one's own thoughts, both ethically and legally, as well as the ability of one to enforce such a thing. Take, for example, the Truth Spell, known by each Herald. If truly noted, it violates our own Fifth Amendement in the United States, for it causes a person to incriminate his or herself should they not wish to. Comments limited to Valdemar, is this a "fair" thing to do? Is it ethically sound for Heralds to be able to walk into any given situation, demand the truth, and then walk out? Other Bill of Rights interests shall be made under different topic threads. Bright be thy day, Wintershard Councilor of Mist Demon of Crappy Weather ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 01:46:47 -0400 From: "Peter Allen" To: Subject: Healers abilities Message-ID: <00e601c13697$60f95880$07631a42-+AT+-triad.rr.com> Liz wrote: > But not cure the after effects once the virus was done, which I don't > understand, if you can do that much healing why can't you mend the muscles / > nerves afterwards. Killing that many virus particles and then not being > able to... My opinion is that it is something which depends on the abilities of the particular Healer in question. There are many things that we do not know yet about Healers' in detail, only having small hints about their abilities from snippets in books here and there throughout the Velgarth series. This is not to mention the fact, let us remember, that Healers seem much more common in areas around Valdemar and its surrounding histories than other parts of the continent (such as the Empire). I would hasten to venture that Healers have the same types of levels that Mages do, or perhaps the same power base that Gifts endow: those with more individual power are able to Heal in more intricate details. Also remember that each individual is different in their own ways of Healing. Amberdrake, in the Black Gryphon, was able to lightly enhance pleasure sensors, because that was, in part, what he was trained and focused upon doing. Those with focus in other areas are most likely able to do other things, such as ridding the body of sickness (boosting the immune system phenomenally, for example). At the same, there is also the question of Healer Adepts. Could it not be possible that someone with both the Mage Gift towards being able to pull off of nodes, lines, etc would be able to use that energy in a Healing way to enhance their own abilities? Imagine the amount of control which must be necessary, for using such large quantities in such minute details must be excruciating. It does lend fodder to the fire. Bright be thy day, Wintershard Councilor of Mist Demon of Crappy Weather ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 01:47:07 -0400 From: "Peter Allen" To: Subject: Valdemaran Bill of Rights - Ownership of weapons Message-ID: <00ea01c13697$615e0dc0$07631a42-+AT+-triad.rr.com> Again, as we continue through the world of Valdemar, what TextEvd can be given towards or against the ability of citizens and commoners to carry, possess, or otherwise practice the use of weaponry? Given that we are surrounded by a series of fighters instead of other characters, it is only natural for them to have a dagger or perhaps a crossbow close at hand. Yet, when we venture out of the realm of the herald, the soldier, the Shin'a'in, is it commonplace for other characters to carry weapons and be knowledgeable of their use? Another thought for the conversation is that, restricted to Valdemar, do you believe that it is within an Herald's duty to restrict the use of certain weapons - or perhaps the knowledge thereof - from the commoner? Perhaps even more interesting is the next: is it within a Companion's duty to do the same? Bright be thy day, Wintershard Councilor of Mist Demon of Crappy Weather ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 01:47:03 -0400 From: "Peter Allen" To: Subject: Valdemaran Bill of Rights - Drug Use ... or Abuse Message-ID: <00e901c13697$6134dae0$07631a42-+AT+-triad.rr.com> Another topic which can be highly contested is that of natural chemicals within the world of Velgarth. I believe that there is small TextEvd which can be found in regards to poisons used sporadically within the series. This is something which, given the nature of the world and the timeline, can be understandable. What, though, are your thoughts on the readily available usage of other chemicals within the Valdemaran society? It has been shown that the women of Haven and other large cities are used to an herbal contraceptive. Also has it been shown that hallucenegic drugs are in play here and there. Remember, try to keep the conversation towards what you know of Valdemar, Velgarth, and Misty's own "written" ethics. Bright be thy day, Wintershard Councilor of Mist Demon of Crappy Weather ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 01:12:39 +0100 From: "Misty's Secretary" To: Subject: Re: Off topic response RE: 1632 Message-ID: > > Well, children going to public school are not allowed > > free speech at all. > > They're not? By what definition are you going for on > "free speech"? If you mean, "the freedom to say anything at anytime", no, > they do not. However, if you mean, the freedom to express opinion without > retribution, then yes, they do have that. Now you should hear one of my teachers go on about free speech in schools; fundamentally telling us "watch it with this one, those of you that end up in schools. It's a job loser." What is this mystical thing? Drugs? Sex education? Well, no not really. Evolution. Thou shalt not teach it. Is the policy in many places... but surely a discussion on it would be free speech? Paul -- My opinions. I found em, go find yer own. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 01:25:23 +0100 From: "Misty's Secretary" To: Subject: Re: BB Reactions Message-ID: It was also tricky to avoid. If he had not died, it would have made Arrows have a glaring error in it :) The end is meant to be shocking though; Lavan was one of the great characters in the history of Valdemar; noted for his bravery and loss; but also it's a warning to the collegium echoing down the ages - this is what those abilities are capable of. And it wasn't "magic". Paul (trying to make the point, and avoid needing spoiler space. Saying "Lavan dies" is a bit like saying "In that Titanic film, the ship sinks"; since it's pretty much all laid out in AOTQ.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Martin" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 7:20 PM Subject: BB Reactions > > It wouldn't matter so much, since we weren't > > discussing misty anyway. I loved Burning Brightly, > > although I can't like the Herald sacrifice on the end. > > Neither did I...not for any philosophical reasons but because I had begun to > identify with Lavan's character and did not like seeing him die. Although, > his death was for the good of his country, similar to the deaths of our > service men and women defending our country. > > Tristaan > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 03:11:00 -0400 From: "True" To: Subject: Re: Valdemaran Bill of Rights - Privacy of the mind Message-ID: <010401c136a3$218332a0$ca7fd63f-+AT+-o2o5k8> First off, I can't believe I'm posting, nevermind the fact that I am still awake *chuckles* Wintershard wrote: > As this seemed to be a fairly interesting subject, yet unfortunately > off-topic, I had thought to lean it towards a more Valdemaran slant instead > of asking the conversation to be completely dropped out of hand. Once, when > we had a scientific conversation, it was summarily ended, and it was an > unfortunate thing. Agreed :) > what does everyone think about a Herald's ability to "search and seize" > based off of thoughts alone? As long as the Herald's abilities are true to form and there is a check and balance on said abilities I don't have a problem with it. I also think it works well in Misty's world. > Take, for example, the Truth Spell, known by each Herald. If truly noted, > it violates our own Fifth Amendement in the United States, for it causes a > person to incriminate his or herself should they not wish to. Comments > limited to Valdemar, is this a "fair" thing to do? Is it ethically sound for > Heralds to be able to walk into any given situation, demand the truth, and > then walk out? If there were a way for ppl to do that in our society I would be all for it regardless of the 5th amendment. The point is that we are led to believe that that Truth Spell is infaliable. If this is indeed true then I believe it is a "fair" thing to do by the appropriate ppl (i.e. law enforcement type ppl...i.e...Heralds). Of course there can be limits on it's uses and it would need to be supervised properly in order to not have it abused. The "accused" would still need some sort of checks and balances against those that might abuse the Truth Spell for revenge or something akin to that. darkness, laughter and light, Lady True Councilor of Mist ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 19:42:12 +1200 (NZST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Sheridan=20Hoy?= To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: ON TOPIC - Spirits ... Message-ID: <20010906074212.75595.qmail-+AT+-web11005.mail.yahoo.com> Heyla listsibs, Another Beth and Kory book! GREAT! I am eagerly anticipating the release of Beyond World's End in paperback, so along with a Beth and Kory book plus Take A Thief - the coming months are looking good! BTW, you mentioned that you had read snipets of Spirits White as Lightning? Are the posted online? Bright the Day, tamlin PS Sorry for the short post - I have been reading the off topic posts with interest, but I don't know a lot about American human rights laws, being a New Zealander and all :) --- tntgray wrote: > Julia asked: > > > I see "Spirits White as Lightning" is coming out > in December ... do we > know what that is about? It's with Rosemary > > Edghill . . . > > Yes, It's the next Bedlam Bardz book! All about > Beth and Kory! Having read > a few snippets, its going to be > WONDERFUL!!!!!<--look 5! I'm truly looking > forward to it. > > Dax > http://travel.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Travel - Got Itchy feet? Get inspired! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 17:28:52 -0400 From: Michael C McNeill To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Here is where things get stickey...think about Message-ID: <20010906.055433.-388571.2.firewing-+AT+-juno.com> > So we can not legalize it with out breaking the treaty. And since when has that really made much difference in international politics? ;-) --M ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 17:29:40 -0400 From: Michael C McNeill To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: ON TOPIC - Spirits ... Message-ID: <20010906.055434.-388571.3.firewing-+AT+-juno.com> > Yes, It's the next Bedlam Bardz book! All about Beth and Kory! > Having read > a few snippets, its going to be WONDERFUL!!!!!<--look 5! I'm truly > looking > forward to it. YESSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Looooooooooong have I waited for this!!!!! --M ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 17:39:54 -0400 From: Michael C McNeill To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: back on topic... Message-ID: <20010906.055434.-388571.4.firewing-+AT+-juno.com> > And as absolutely fascinating as the arguement on the American Government > IS.. I think you've refreshed the views of every non-American on the > list of why they don't live there. ^_~ .. And, vice versa, for why I *do* - socialized medicine (the American version of which left my mom with brain problems last year), outrageous taxes, restrictions on firearms ownership. > Now, onto something a little bit more ontopic as I braid some > stuff... ^_^ Yes, please. > .and a question.. Anyone think the healer's are just a wee bit too > powerful? .. Being able to heal Polio for example? Depends entirely on your concept of diseases. Dr. Hulda Clark holds that many diseases are caused by parasites and that a properly-applied electromagnetic field can rid the body of the bugs. Of course, it takes the body time to heal itself from the damages wrought by the diseases. Another opinion (which in my empirical experience holds true) is that a body in an acidic state is prone to a great many ills, including cancer. Restoring the body to a slightly alkaline level allows the body to heal itself - killing off cancerous growth in the process. So - depending on how you view healers and what they do and the nature of what they are dealing with, curing polio and being "a wee bit too powerful" may not be the case. --M ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 06:39:04 -0400 From: Michael C McNeill To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Valdemaran Bill of Rights - Privacy of the mind Message-ID: <20010906.070138.-388571.8.firewing-+AT+-juno.com> > >The new search and seizure laws allow any law > >enforcement officer to take anything away from anyone. > > Barring the intricacies of the United States government, let's > question this topic in Valdemaran practice. Not having read the Valdemar books (heresy, I know), I unfortunately can't directly address this. I *can* talk about it in broader terms. Sure, it can be fair - if that is how the govt was originally structured. Under a monarchial system where the Crown is the absolute soverign, then such compulsion is to be expected. One of Machiavelli's (paraphrased) ideas is that you do everything you have to in order to hold on to the power you have. That said, does the compulsion of truth by the Heralds convey the nuances of the thoughts? That is, can a Herald differentiate between someone (for example) who owns a warship and dislikes the govt but tolerates it over anarchy as opposed to someone who owns a warship and is intent on disrupting the govt? --M ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 04:10:24 -0700 From: "Lorna Appleby" To: Subject: Re: Valdemaran Bill of Rights - Ownership of weapons Message-ID: <000801c136c4$86b5b5f0$f201a8c0-+AT+-backtalk.org> Most of the Lords and Ladies had personal household guards.. But I don't think the Heralds really need to restrict weaponry .. What peasant can afford a sword and learn how to use it? The far and few between that would most likely join a household or mercenary troop anyway.. (Now that Valdemar has one ^_^ ) Maybe I've just been reading too much Elizabeth Moon.. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 05:15:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "Li'nia Stormdancer" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Valdemaran Bill of Rights - Privacy of the mind Message-ID: <20010906121555.91207.qmail-+AT+-web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Heyla List-Sibs! First off, thank you dear Councilors for setting the List back on the right track! lol As noted by others, not everyone can debate issues that are here in the U.S., since many of our Sibs don't live in the States! lol So... moving into the Arena once again (good thing, too... I was getting tired of cleaning just cobwebs and dust...) --- Peter Allen wrote: >but what does everyone think about a Herald's ability >to "search and seize" based off of thoughts alone? I think it's a good idea in theory, but there's many problems inherent with that method. Is it based off of what one Herald "hears", or must it be verified by another Herald first before they can move forward with the procedure? Because even though Heralds are supposed to be neutral (and the Monarch's ear and voice) in disputes, these Heralds are still only human. And it has been proven that they can still hold grudges or want revenge or whatever, and they ARE capable (sometimes) of hiding this from their companions (i.e. Tylendel, although granted, that was an extreme case). So, what's to say that a Herald returns on a circuit to their home, and gets involved in a dispute with someone that his/her family has had problems with for years? Might they not be tempted to misuse their authority? And maybe they might not even misuse it on purpose, but their feelings and upbringing will have a huge influence on how they conduct themselves. > Take, for example, the Truth Spell, known by each > Herald. If truly noted, it violates our own Fifth >Amendement in the United States, for it causes a > person to incriminate his or herself should they not > wish to. Comments limited to Valdemar, is this >a "fair" thing to do? Is it ethically sound for > Heralds to be able to walk into any given situation, > demand the truth, and then walk out? Well, I think that "belief" plays a huge role in this one. In our world, there is nothing comprable to the Truth Spell. We know and believe that people can lie or hide things, and we know of no way to actually force them to tell and to verify that it IS the truth. In Valdemar, this has been in place for a very long time now, and everyone knows and believes that the Truth Spell works as advertised. Personally, I'm of two minds on whether or not it IS ethical, but I have a problem with the fact that one person's truth may be totally different than another's. I think it is nice to have a body of people that you can trust (the Heralds/Companions) to come in and cut through the lies and what-not, but I personally wouldn't want people to become to dependant on that. And then there's the whole deal with dispensing justice based off of what you See/Hear/Feel with your Gift and/or Truth Spell... ===== ---<---<---<----+AT+- Li'nia Stormdancer -+AT+---->--->--->--- Peon to the Powers That Be, Goddess of All Things Possessed, & Caretaker of the Arena of Discussion and Dissention __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 08:36:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Ryoko To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Half Blood Chronicles (yet again) Message-ID: I hate to beat a dead horse, but what ever happened to the last two books of the Half Blood Chronicles series? Last I heard, Elvenbred was supposed to be coming out at the end of 2000 (which it never did) and not sure about Elvenborn. Does anyone know if they're put on halt indefinitely, or if there is any plan to go through with them in the near future? (I'm having a lot of trouble navigating firebirdart's website, so if the answer is there, I couldn't find it.) Hopeful sheep to all. -ryoko -- ........................................................ ryoko-+AT+-cc.gatech.edu Anime O-tekku Vice President, cs1311 TA, IRC junkie. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 06:27:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Sisterbluerose To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Valdemaran Bill of Rights - Privacy of the mind Message-ID: <20010906132700.58392.qmail-+AT+-web13503.mail.yahoo.com> According to "Brightly Burning" the truth spell can tell the difference between someone who is crazy and can't tell what the truth is, and someone who is telling the truth. The Herald training goes on until the Herald isn't as personally involved. Levan's training would have, except it was a national emergency. When it isn't a national emergency, the first few circuits of your area would have a additional Herald on. And, of course, people who have real personal problems won't get choosen. (Selenay's first husband) In fact, that was why the Herald system was set up. ===== What's the difference between genius and stupidity? There is an end to genius, there is no end to stupidity. My Mom Sister Blue Rose Lucinda-June Chapman http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PagansforHarryPotter/join http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/NYunschoolPagans http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/uuhomeschooling School takes 13 years, because that is how long it takes to break a child's spirit. ML King http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/OzSalon http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/Womanspirit __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 11:46:42 +0100 From: "Misty's Secretary" To: Subject: Bye! Message-ID: Now that the subject scared you, I just thought I'd mention that I'm going to be away for the next week; so if anyone sends in anything for me to deal with, apologies in advance for a delayed reply. If I actually fall in the grand canyon, I might be a little longer in getting back to you... Take Care. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 16:57:09 +0000 From: "Morrigan Moon" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: kethry Message-ID: Just a thought that I had... In Tarma and Kethry's escapades in oathbreakers, they travel into valdemar where they meet herald roald correct? And kethry does the spell to let her become an adapt while she is in valdemaar. Now I know that she does comment (I can't remember if it is in oathbreakers or By the sword) on the feeling of a mage being watched in valdemar, and I also remember her saying that 'it gets worse when you try to cast magic' (or words to that affect). In that case, seing as the valdemar magic guard was obviously working then, wouldn't she have had huge problems casting her adept spell? And they didn't seem to have that much trouble talking to herald roald about magic either. Or did I miss something. I hope even some of the above made sense to someone. Keep Smiling and happy sheep to all Clair http://www.crystalgrove.co.uk _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 12:04:59 -0500 From: "tntgray" To: Cc: , "Autumnwing" , Subject: MIST:How to get off the list for anyone who didn't read the Newbie Fest Message-ID: <002901c136f6$1b25c780$bfd8193f-+AT+-pavilion> > > Hey, everybody so sorry for the inconveince, but I was trying to desubscribe > from the list and it keeps giving me "error invalid command" so I tried doing > help and I got the same thing. Can someone help me? Jennifer Hello Jennifer, You need to send a message to: listproc-+AT+-herald.co.uk Don't put anything in the subject Then in the body of the message, type or copy and paste: unsubscribe mercedes-lackey and send it! Good luck Dax ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 12:21:04 -0500 From: "tntgray" To: Subject: Re: Half Blood Chronicles (yet again) Message-ID: <005101c136f8$70e17e60$bfd8193f-+AT+-pavilion> According to Misty on the Baen site, The next in the series has finally been finished (by her) and sent to the publishers for proofs, etc. *yeah!* But she doesn't know when it will come out, she doesn't have any control over that. *frown* Probably end of this year or beginning of the next. > I hate to beat a dead horse, but what ever happened to the last two books > of the Half Blood Chronicles series? Last I heard, Elvenbred was supposed > to be coming out at the end of 2000 (which it never did) and not sure > about Elvenborn. Does anyone know if they're put on halt indefinitely, or > if there is any plan to go through with them in the near future? Wind to thy wings, Dax (foregoing the long sig) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 13:26:41 -0400 From: "Robert Martin" To: Subject: RE: kethry Message-ID: > Just a thought that I had... > > In Tarma and Kethry's escapades in oathbreakers, they travel into > valdemar > where they meet herald roald correct? And kethry does the spell > to let her > become an adapt while she is in valdemaar. Now I know that she > does comment > (I can't remember if it is in oathbreakers or By the sword) on > the feeling > of a mage being watched in valdemar, and I also remember her > saying that 'it > gets worse when you try to cast magic' (or words to that affect). > In that > case, seing as the valdemar magic guard was obviously working > then, wouldn't > she have had huge problems casting her adept spell? And they > didn't seem to > have that much trouble talking to herald roald about magic > either. Or did I > miss something. > > I hope even some of the above made sense to someone. If I remember correctly (and this should be recent memory as it was discussed on the usenet group), there are two things involved here. First, the "watch" on mages is not dependant necessarily on the political borders of Valdemar but on the presence of Heralds' Companions. The Vrondi were instructed to look for Companions and use that to determine the realm of Valdemar. Roald's companion was present so we would think that the Vrondi would be in effect. However, keep in mind also that the Roald wasn't there for long so perhaps, and this is conjecture, the Vrondi hadn't caught on yet that they should be considering the protection as strongly in that area. Secondly, Kethry specifically left the house and even went some distance away from the lodge to make sure that she would be out of the influence of Vanyel's protective spells. That allowed her to call up her Adept Manifestation. Now, did I make sense? :) SPAM-flavored sheep to all Tristaan (who is the alt.books.m-lackey God of Grilled SPAM) ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2688 **********************************