MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2703 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Future of Valdemar by "Layla Voll" 2) Re: a question of lifebonds... by "Peter Allen" 3) RE: a question of lifebonds... by "Howell, Tommy" 4) RE: a question of lifebonds... by "Layla Voll" 5) Re: a question of lifebonds... by "TPONY WHITEHORSE" 6) RE: a question of lifebonds... by "TPONY WHITEHORSE" 7) Misty books by "Barbara Martin" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 05:39:48 From: "Layla Voll" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Future of Valdemar Message-ID: Li'nia Stormdancer writes: >... I think that the >concept of Heralds and their Companions will not be >threatened, either, as long as their government >continues on as a Monarchy. Now, if for some reason >in the future they would change that, then I believe >the Heralds/Companions would have a problem... Interesting. Didn't Plato say that the best form of government is an enlightened tyrant, ie, a centralized, absolute monarchy where you could somehow guarantee that the monarch would have the country's best interests in mind. Which is precisely what Valdemar has achieved. Given that, do you think Valdemar would ever create/invent democracy? I think it very unlikely that the monarchy would ever disappear, but it seems to me that perhaps the monarch's council might someday be elected, rather than appointed, or that a lower, democratically-electd house might be created. layla _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 01:50:43 -0400 From: "Peter Allen" To: Subject: Re: a question of lifebonds... Message-ID: <01ea01c14261$846ecf40$3e693942-+AT+-triad.rr.com> Tony wrote: > Ok some one plese clariry something for me. What is the difference between > a lifebond and a lovebond? Loosely, as I'm somewhat tired: a lovebond is where you choose to be together. A lifebond is where you have to be together. One must be in love for a love bond, but one does not have to be in love to have a lifebond. It just makes it a tad bit easier to handle *soft chuckle*. Bright be thy day, Wintershard Councilor of Mist ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 08:31:39 -0500 From: "Howell, Tommy" To: "'mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk'" Subject: RE: a question of lifebonds... Message-ID: <5BA8DB8D54C4D3119956009027DE50C603FE35B8-+AT+-tdmnmail.tdmn.belo.com> One thing about lifebonds is that it makes it possible for mages to share mage energy. Remember that Tylendel was able to tap Vanyel's personal mage energies/potential through the lifebond and conserve his personal energies for what was to come. Also, in the case of Shavri and Randale, Shavri was able to commit her life energy to sustaining Randale to the point that when he died, she would die as well. I also think lifebonds are a really intense version of "love at first sight" as explored in the Talia/Dirk storyline. One more thing... I've just started reading Brightly Burning and Lavan's obsession with horses seems to foreshadowing that he is open to being completely lifebonded to a Companion. I'll have to let you know if I feel the same after I've gotten a little further or finished the book. -----Original Message----- Tony wrote: > Ok some one plese clariry something for me. What is the difference between > a lifebond and a lovebond? Peter wrote: Loosely, as I'm somewhat tired: a lovebond is where you choose to be together. A lifebond is where you have to be together. One must be in love for a love bond, but one does not have to be in love to have a lifebond. It just makes it a tad bit easier to handle *soft chuckle*. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 15:01:03 From: "Layla Voll" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: RE: a question of lifebonds... Message-ID: Tommy Howell writes: >I also think lifebonds are a really intense version of "love at first >sight" as explored in the Talia/Dirk storyline. Sherrill and Keren go into this with Talia at one point: I think it's a conversation they'd had earlier, but she remembers it in "Arrow's Fall" when she's trying to sort out everything with Dirk. Talia had been scoffing at the romantic Bardic notion of love at first sight, but Sherrill and Keren correct her, saying that it really does work that way: that Keren and Ylsa fell in love when they first met, and that Sherrill knew when she was 14 and first saw Keren. On the other hand, I also remember Kris and Tantris (I think) discussing Dirk and Talia: Tantris says that Dirk was the first Herald that Talia met on her way into Haven when she was 13, and that Rolan thinks the lifebond happened then. Kris is surprised at how early that was, and how it must therefore be an especially strong bond. Which doesn't really make sense -- I'd think it starts whenever you first happen to meet, whether you're in your late thirties/early forties, like Daren and Selenay, or your late childhood, like Jisa. There's also the idea that lifebonds are given to those who need the extra stability: someone (Vanyel?) tells Elspeth that she and Darkwind don't have a lifebond because they don't really need it. The same is probably true for Eldan and Kerowyn. The need for stability seems to boil down to a few categories: a monarch (Selenay, Randale); a mage who can use the bond to draw more mage energy (Donni/Mardic, Vanyel); someone who is already somewhat emotionally unstable who has an especially destabilizing Gift (Talia, Lavan); or a Herald who is simply somewhat precariously balanced (Keren, Dirk). That means, I think, that there are a few people (Ylsa, Sherrill, and Daren, for instance) who are in the lifebond to provide stability for the other person. Layla _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 16:47:11 +0000 From: "TPONY WHITEHORSE" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: a question of lifebonds... Message-ID: Good morning. Because I work odd hours in order to feed my 'habit'(no not drugs..my significant other..my Arab) I can relate to being tired. Especially when im not doing the regular mundane type work i spend the rest of my time careing for other peoples 'companions' (equines..heh) Any way thanks for your take on the differences between the life bonded and love bonded situations. TONY _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 16:49:30 +0000 From: "TPONY WHITEHORSE" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: RE: a question of lifebonds... Message-ID: I suppose that means that im lifebonded to my Arab then. Neat! TONY >From: "Howell, Tommy" >Reply-To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk >To: burley1-+AT+-hotmail.com >Subject: RE: a question of lifebonds... >Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:50:35 +0100 (BST) > >One thing about lifebonds is that it makes it possible for mages to share >mage energy. Remember that Tylendel was able to tap Vanyel's personal mage >energies/potential through the lifebond and conserve his personal energies >for what was to come. > >Also, in the case of Shavri and Randale, Shavri was able to commit her life >energy to sustaining Randale to the point that when he died, she would die >as well. > >I also think lifebonds are a really intense version of "love at first >sight" >as explored in the Talia/Dirk storyline. > >One more thing... I've just started reading Brightly Burning and Lavan's >obsession with horses seems to foreshadowing that he is open to being >completely lifebonded to a Companion. I'll have to let you know if I feel >the same after I've gotten a little further or finished the book. > > > >-----Original Message----- >Tony wrote: > > > Ok some one plese clariry something for me. What is the difference >between > > a lifebond and a lovebond? > >Peter wrote: > > Loosely, as I'm somewhat tired: a lovebond is where you choose to be >together. A lifebond is where you have to be together. One must be in love >for a love bond, but one does not have to be in love to have a lifebond. It >just makes it a tad bit easier to handle *soft chuckle*. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 11:29:29 +0100 From: "Barbara Martin" To: Subject: Misty books Message-ID: <007201c14351$7eaf1560$afccfea9-+AT+-freeserve.co.uk> Delurking with a cry for help! Stuck here in the UK, surrounded by boxes as I'm moving house next week, can anyone help me with a few questions? Where can I get When the Bough Breaks, or Jinx High? Even my friendly local sci fi bookshop can't get them for me. Are Brightly Burning, Serpent's Shadow or Beyond the World's End our in paperback yet, anywhere in the world? And when do I get to hear more about Eric, Beth and Kory? Knowledgable sheep in boxes to all, bassthesp ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2703 **********************************