MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2720 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: short story was Re: names & Monarch's Owns by "Misty's Secretary" 2) MO/TAT/Spoiler! (I am confused!) by Ilaria1431-+AT+-aol.com 3) Re: names plus Take a Thief SPOILER by "Traci S" 4) Re: names plus Take a Thief SPOILER by Ilaria1431-+AT+-aol.com 5) Re: names plus Take a Thief SPOILER by "Layla Voll" 6) Re: names plus Take a Thief SPOILER by Kenneth Allen Hyde 7) Re: MO/TAT/Spoiler! (I am confused!) also Brightly Burning by "Kat/Perchta" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 04:46:04 -0600 From: "Misty's Secretary" To: Subject: Re: short story was Re: names & Monarch's Owns Message-ID: > Stolen Silver is in Werehunter... just checked my copy. > > Hugs- > > Moonstar The other thing to point out then, is that Werehunter is available for the grand price of nothing at www.baen.com/library For those that haven't got it. (checks library.. like me come to think of it) Paul (There are several other books available there as well, and much to my surprise, Eric has posted up 1632 into the free library. More controversy on the bar methinks :) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.286 / Virus Database: 152 - Release Date: 09/10/2001 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 08:39:43 EDT From: Ilaria1431-+AT+-aol.com To: Subject: MO/TAT/Spoiler! (I am confused!) Message-ID: Layla wrote: >>>>I also suppose that meeting a half-dead, newly-Chosen Herald coming over the border from Karse might be important enough for the MO to hike all the way out to the border, and it seems as if Kantor had plenty of time to alert at least some of the other Companions to what he was doing. Alberich does seem to have been met by quite a welcoming party -- three Heralds, including the MO. <<<< S P O I L E R I also read a post that said that Taver was Talamir's MOC in Take a Thief, but I don't think this is true. Taver was not MOC, Rolan was. I KNOW I remember reading that (I think). Besides, in the Arrows Books, it clearly indicates that Rolan was the MOC for Talamir and for Keghviegn. Talia has some passing thought/realization that Rolan has accumulated wisdom from living in the minds of both men. And I could have sworn that there was a scene in TAT where Skif encounters Talamir in the Field and sees that he has his arm slung over his Companion's shoulder, and is then told the Companion's name is Rolan. So....am I totally confused here, or have I just been misinterpreting the posts? Herald Jacquelle ------------------------------ Date: 18 Oct 2001 15:00:30 -0000 From: "Traci S" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: names plus Take a Thief SPOILER Message-ID: <20011018150030.6591.qmail-+AT+-purina.chek.com> On Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:56:54 +0100 (BST) Layla Voll wrote: >"Healer-Adept Moonstar" writes: >In the short story "Stolen Silver," two Heralds and their Companions meet >Alberich as he flees over the border from Karse: there's a woman, who says >"Aren's brought the Healer", and a second, ungendered voice which says >"Taver says his name is Alberich." > >Does that mean that Alberich was met at the border by the Monarch's Own? >And would Aren be the MO before Talamir, or is the woman talking about her >own Companion, Aren, bringing the Healer? > >Layla > Okay, please forgive me if i do this the wrong way, I've never put a spoiler space in a post before. s p o i l e r In "Take a Thief", Cymry tells Skif specifically that Rolan is Talamir's second companion, that Taver was killed in the Tedrel wars trying to save the king (pg 260 if anyone is interested). Also, there was mention by Alberich (I think) that because he was Karsite, he was met at the border by the MO, to ease his way into Valdemar and the Collegium. There is also speculation at the Baen webboard that Skif lied about his background a great deal, as a protective camoflage. That, combined with Misty's "got a better idea/didn't want to go back and look up specifics" explains away any discrepancies fairly neatly, I think. Traci ________________________________________________________________ Get Free Anime Email, News, Links, Forums and Shopping at http://www.AnimeNation.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 15:06:41 EDT From: Ilaria1431-+AT+-aol.com To: Subject: Re: names plus Take a Thief SPOILER Message-ID: <87.11b04683.29008241-+AT+-aol.com> S P O I L E R Traci writes: >>>>In "Take a Thief", Cymry tells Skif specifically that Rolan is Talamir's second companion, that Taver was killed in the Tedrel wars trying to save the king (pg 260 if anyone is interested). Also, there was mention by Alberich (I think) that because he was Karsite, he was met at the border by the MO, to ease his way into Valdemar and the Collegium. <<<< This becomes very interesting then...if I read this right, then Taver was NOT an MOC, and Alberich would then have had to have been Chosen before Talamir became MO. I read Alberich's statement as him referring to Talamir in his present capacity as MO, not meaning that he was MO at the time of Alberich's Choosing. Also, Taver and Keghviegn must have died about the same time, for Rolan to have Chosen Talamir soon after Taver died. Herald Jacquelle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 21:26:09 From: "Layla Voll" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: names plus Take a Thief SPOILER Message-ID: Plagarizing Spoiler space.... >S > > >P > > > >O > > > >I > > > >L > > > >E > > > >R > > > >Traci writes: > > >>>>In "Take a Thief", Cymry tells Skif specifically that Rolan is >Talamir's >second companion, that Taver was killed in the Tedrel wars trying to save >the >king (pg 260 if anyone is interested). Also, there was mention by Alberich >(I >think) that because he was Karsite, he was met at the border by the MO, to >ease his way into Valdemar and the Collegium. >This becomes very interesting then...if I read this right, then Taver was >NOT an MOC, and Alberich would then have had to have been Chosen before >Talamir became MO. I read Alberich's statement as him referring to Talamir >in his present capacity as MO, not meaning that he was MO at the time of >Alberich's Choosing. Also, Taver and Keghviegn must have died about the >same time, for Rolan to have Chosen Talamir soon after Taver died. > >Herald Jacquelle I see what you mean: Rolan, as MOC, was Companion to Talamir and Keghviegn; Talamir had two Companions, first Taver and then Rolan; Therefore, Keghviegn was MO for Selenay's father and his Companion was Rolan; Keghviegn, Taver, and the King were all probably killed in that one huge battle during the Tedrel Wars that everyone seems to have been killed at; the Herald-less Rolan then Chose the Companion-less Talamir, making him the new MO to the new Queen. That would all just mean that Alberich would have to have been Chosen before Selenay became Queen, which I think is very possible (he sounds like he's at most in his early twenties in "Stolen Silver", and I think Talia guesses that he's in his early forties when she first meets him in AofQ). I thought, though, that Talamir had been King's Own for Selenay's father -- I'd have to reread the bit in AotQ where Selenay is talking about him to Talia. I'd be curious whether people who've read TAT (I haven't) thought he was a good first Queen's Own for Selenay: she says that the age gap between them caused a lot of problems, but perhaps he was the best possible option in a very bad situation: with Selenay being so young and inexperienced (I think she'd just finished her internship), perhaps Rolan decided that it was better to have someone who could help guide her through all the politics for a little while and, at the same time, decided to save Talamir's life (Cymry says something about Talamir nearly following Taver to the Havens but being pulled back by Rolan). In effect, then, Talamir is essentially an interim Queen's Own until Talia can be Chosen. Which he would probably be fine with: Cymry's comment would indicate that Talamir himself was just biding time until he was no longer needed and could reunite with Taver, and Selenay probably did need his basic political advice until she grew experienced enough herself to be able to use Talia and let Talamir go. By the way, I finally found that there was a Lord Martial's Herald before Griffon, at least in AotQ: Sherrill mentions him as one of the four Heralds who are on the Council, but also says that they don't see him much. (Obviously not, since I don't think he's ever heard from again.) Layla _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 21:15:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Kenneth Allen Hyde To: Misty Lackey List Subject: Re: names plus Take a Thief SPOILER Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Layla Voll wrote: > Plagarizing Spoiler space.... > >S > > > > > >P > > > > > > > >O > > > > > > > >I > > > > > > > >L > > > > > > > >E > > > > > > > >R > > > > > > > >Traci writes: > >This becomes very interesting then...if I read this right, then Taver was > >NOT an MOC, and Alberich would then have had to have been Chosen before > >Talamir became MO. Then Layla wrote: > Rolan, as MOC, was Companion to Talamir and Keghviegn; Talamir had two > Companions, first Taver and then Rolan; Therefore, Keghviegn was MO > for Selenay's father and his Companion was Rolan; Keghviegn, Taver, > and the King were all probably killed in that one huge battle during > the Tedrel Wars that everyone seems to have been killed at; the > Herald-less Rolan then Chose the Companion-less Talamir, making him > the new MO to the new Queen. As I understood the passage, Talamir was the MOH with Taver as his Companion. Taver was killed, Talimir survived, and Rolan chose Talamir, who then continued as MOH. Who is Keghviegn (are you sure of the spelling?)? I've never read that name before this (and with that unlikely spelling, I'm sure I would have remembered it) and I've read all of the Valdemar books except for the Owl series (which took place long after Talamir was dead). Cennydd Councilor of Mist Kenneth Allen Hyde | No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife Univ. of Delaware | between the shoulder blades will seriously Dept. of Linguistics | cramp his style -- Old Jhereg proverb kenny-+AT+-Udel.Edu | A mind is a terrible toy to waste! -- Me //www.ling.udel.edu/hyde/prof/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 18:41:00 -0700 From: "Kat/Perchta" To: Subject: Re: MO/TAT/Spoiler! (I am confused!) also Brightly Burning Message-ID: <00b301c15841$ca663920$55307240-+AT+-oemcomputer> > > S > > > > P > > > O > > > I > > > L > > > E > > > R > > > I also read a post that said that Taver was Talamir's MOC in Take a Thief, but I don't think this is true. Taver was not MOC, Rolan was. I KNOW I remember reading that (I think). Besides, in the Arrows Books, it clearly indicates that Rolan was the MOC for Talamir and for Keghviegn. Talia has some passing thought/realization that Rolan has accumulated wisdom from living in the minds of both men. And I could have sworn that there was a scene in TAT where Skif encounters Talamir in the Field and sees that he has his arm slung over his Companion's shoulder, and is then told the Companion's name is Rolan. > > So....am I totally confused here, or have I just been misinterpreting the posts? > > Herald Jacquelle Well, I haven't read TAT, but in Brightly Burning, wasn't the MOC Rolan??? Or am I just misremembering stuff ~*~cheers, Kat/Perchta~~ ~*~ momma to Rebecca, born July/00 ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 2720 **********************************