MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 26 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) FAQ 4: frequently discussed topics by mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) 2) FAQ 5: Other Lackey-related groups by mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) 3) http://www.io.com/~shiva/fact/dillo/bio/moon.html by mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) 4) http://www.io.com/~shiva/fact/dillo/bio/moon.html by alan-+AT+-znyx.com (Alan Deikman) 5) Zenna Henderson ISBN by Sherry Sharpe 6) Stupid questions #2 by "Sandy Haas" 7) Re: Other Books by Jean Morrill 8) Re: I'm new at this by MJGaul-+AT+-aol.com 9) Re: other bo by terryg-+AT+-blade.com 10) Re: Other Books by SBuskirk-+AT+-aol.com 11) Re: Stupid questions #2 by mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) 12) Re: other bo by mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) 13) Re: I'm new at this by Rosario Holsen-Baker 14) Re: other books(Jordan) by jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) 15) Re: other books(Jordan) by mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) 16) Re: other bo by j hewitt 17) Tolkien and films by mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 15:36:55 +0100 From: mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) To: mercedes-lackey Subject: FAQ 4: frequently discussed topics Message-ID: <9505251436.AA10655-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> Mercedes Lackey Mailing List FAQ, part 4 Frequently Discussed Topics on the Mailing List ----------------------------------------------- Please note that we don't want people to be put off discussing these topics, but just to note that there has already been a good deal of discussion on them already. 1. Companions - Are they reincarnated Heralds? 2. Lifebonds - Which of Lackey's characters are lifebonded? [more to be added here as they happen] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (end part 4 of 5) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 15:37:29 +0100 From: mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) To: mercedes-lackey Subject: FAQ 5: Other Lackey-related groups Message-ID: <9505251437.AA10660-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> Mercedes Lackey Mailing List FAQ, part 5 ---------------------------------------- Other Lackey-related groups --------------------------- Online: There are at least three (as at 24th May 1995). AOL: Information from AnneS3832-+AT+-aol.com, who runs the AOL group; Arrows OnLine meets every other Wednesday night in the Summer, every Wednesday the reast of the year. Meetings run, normally from 10 PM EDT to about 11:30PM and include club "business" (things like mentor programs, information spreading- the QO track at Dragon*Con, our newsletter, etc, voting on things) and a Topic for discussion. Once a month we drag out the personas we created according to QO rules and have a Persona Party. NOT role playing, just hanging out in character . . . USENET: there is a newsgroup "alt.books.m-lackey". Melissa Tabbifli (tabbifli-+AT+-herne.oz.net) keeps the FAQ for that group. GENIE: There is an online Queen's Own-related group on Genie, called `Modems of the Queen'. Both Mercedes Lackey and Larry Dixon have accounts on Genie. Contact donal-+AT+-genie.geis.com or S.Ananayo-+AT+-genie.geis.com. A possible IRC channel has been suggested by etrisan-+AT+-cix.compulink.co.uk. Occasional IRC meetings have been held, and these are generally announced on the list ahead of time. Offline: The official Mercedes Lackey fan club is "Queen's Own", which is run by Judith Louvis. Address below: contact her for more details. Queen's Own PO Box 132 Shiloh NJ 08353 U.S.A. (information provided by Janna, 7th Feb 1994) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- (end part 5 of 5) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 17:11:28 +0100 From: mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) To: mercedes-lackey Subject: http://www.io.com/~shiva/fact/dillo/bio/moon.html Message-ID: <9505251611.AA12532-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> For those who might be interested, I just found this Elizabeth Moon bio online. I imagine it's a little out of date, but what the hell.... > Guest of Honor: Elizabeth Moon > > A resident of Florence, TX, ELIZABETH MOON burst onto the fantasy > scene in the late 80's with her fantasy trilogy consisting of the > novels Sheepfarmer's Daughter (1988), Divided Allegiance (1988), and > Oath of Gold (1989). This series, later collected into the omnibus > edition The Deed of Paksennarion (1992), has been praised for its > realistic depiction of a soldier's life, for which Moon drew from her > experiences as a medic in the U. S. Marine Corps. A prequel to the > Paksennarion series, Surrender None: The Legacy of Gird, was published > in 1990. Prior to publication of her first novel, Moon wrote several > science fiction and fantasy stories that appeared in the major SF > magazines such as Analog. The best of these stories are collected in > Lunar Activity (1990). Moon collaborated with Anne McCaffrey on a > science fiction series entitled "Planet Pirates". Together, Moon and > McCaffrey wrote volume 1, Sassinak (1990), and volume 3, Generation > Warriors (1992). These novels, along with volume 2 (cowritten by Jody > Lynn Nye and McCaffrey), appear together in the omnibus Planet Pirates > (1994). Moon started a new series in 1993 with the publication of > Hunting Party, a humorous science fiction adventure novel. Recently, > the sequel Sporting Chance (1994) was published to enthusiastic > reviews. > > This bio was written by A. T. Campbell III. > (Last Updated 8/16/94) > Maintained by Earl Cooley III shiva-+AT+-io.com [MDH comment: Hmm, I'm not sure I would have called "Hunting Party" 'humorous'; amusing in spots, yes, and good, but 'humo(u)rous' is a term I reserve for, say, Terry Pratchett....] Cheers Mel. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 95 10:02:22 -0700 From: alan-+AT+-znyx.com (Alan Deikman) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: http://www.io.com/~shiva/fact/dillo/bio/moon.html Message-ID: <9505251702.AA21681-+AT+-znyx.com> >[MDH comment: Hmm, I'm not sure I would have called "Hunting Party" 'humorous'; >amusing in spots, yes, and good, but 'humo(u)rous' is a term I reserve for, >say, Terry Pratchett....] _Hunting Party_ and its sequel, _Sporting Chance_, is certainly not meant to be a funny story, but they do have a rather astonishing mixture of hard science, weird science, military life, aristocratic life, food (lots), shopping for clothes, medical drama, spies, space battles, courtroom drama (well, a little), and plain old Hardee-Boys-style adventure in amazingly few words. Oh yeah -- and fox hunting and horses. Plus a very casual acceptance of gay lifestyle. I simply can't think of any other novels with this diverse a mix of interests. Does anyone know if she is doing a third book in the series? -------------------------------- Alan Deikman, ZNYX Corporation alan-+AT+-znyx.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 13:31:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Sherry Sharpe To: Lackey Group Subject: Zenna Henderson ISBN Message-ID: Just read in this week's Publisher's Weekly about a new collection by Henderson. "Ingathering : The Complete People Stories of Zenna Henderson" Edited by Mark and Priscilla Olson NESFA Press (P.O. Box 809, Framington, Mass. 01701-0203) ISBN 0-915368-58-7 $24.95 (576 p.) I think this was the newsgroup that was discussing her. Sorry if it's not. I really like her work. I think I might buy it myself, or get from our library. Oh, by the way, it's got a JUNE release date. Sherry Sharpe (sherry.sharpe-+AT+-sheridanc.on.ca) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 14:22:25 EDT From: "Sandy Haas" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Stupid questions #2 Message-ID: <8B05DC4D6E-+AT+-rackham.umich.edu> Remember me, the new-bee?? Had to start re-reading "THE BOOKS" last night and started with Arrows. I don't remember, when the Monarch's Own dies the Companion doesn't die--necessarily (but USUALLY doesn't the Companion go when the Hearld goes??) Anyway--IF they do die, is the next one Grove-born?? I'd probably answer my own question in due time in the book, but this is funner. :} ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 12:47:44 -0700 From: Jean Morrill To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Other Books Message-ID: <199505251947.MAA21854-+AT+-torrent.hwr.arizona.edu> For sci-fi people, I'd like to recommend author Jane Lindskold. Her first book is "Brother to Dragons, Companion to Owls" and her second, just out, is "The Marks of our Brothers". Also, for fantasy, Holly Lisle, but she has probably already been mentioned. The third book in her series is recently out also. Jean in Tucson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 19:35:39 -0400 From: MJGaul-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: I'm new at this Message-ID: <950525193537_12323952-+AT+-aol.com> Otavia wrote: > In reference to Companions, I thought Vanyel said he was given a choice as > reincarnating as a Companion, but I could be wrong, :) Also in the Winds > books-I think it was Winds? When Elspeth and Darkwind etc. are in the > forest talking to Vanyel, doesn't he mention something about excusing > Elspeth's Companion because she was never human? Lisa responded: >Vanyel was given a choice about going to The Havens or staying and >guarding the forest border. It was never mentioned whether he would >become a Companion. All he says about Gwena is that she not much old >than Elspeth and doesn't have much experience. He NEVER says that >Gwena was never human. Didn't he mention another choice? My memory is faulty, and the books are in transit, but I thought he said something like Most heralds are given a couple choices, then mentioned some come back like the Hawkbrothers say people come back. He was given the choice to be part of the border protections; I got the feeling it was an additional choice. If the Heralds "come back", Companions are a somewhat logical choice to come back as... He also phrases the Gwena comment oddly... he says she has no "real, human experience"(or something like that) which would lead me to believe that other companions do... but then I believe that the Grove born Companions are a spirit of a different order than the rest, and that there has only been 1 Monarch's Own companion since the beginning, just gets reborn. I had a thought that Rolan _could_ be King Valdemar's companion, just reborn and renamed a few times. If anyone reads this far... when was the position of Monarch's Own created? --melissa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 18:49:24 -0400 From: terryg-+AT+-blade.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: other bo Message-ID: <9505252249.0W29N02-+AT+-blade.com> > > Yes, also her non-Paksenarrion books seem to be good, although the > only I'll put a vote in here for Elizabeth Moon's books too. (Deed of Paksennarion, Liar's Oath.) Definitely Anne Mc Caffrey and her "Pern" series. Also how 'bout Terry Brooks and his two Shanharra series? And David Eddings? There, I think I covered most of my favourites. > > > For Mind Magic I can't think of another author I like more than > > > Katherine Kurtz (Misty excluded, of course). > > Julian May, perhaps? I must dig out my book of lists... How 'bout Robert Jordan and his "Wheel of Time" series (as of yet incomplete). His "magic" seems to be of a mind sort. I'll put a vote in here for his books as well, though I do find them a bit too wordy from time to time. Terry Toronto, Canada ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 23:10:32 -0400 From: SBuskirk-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Other Books Message-ID: <950525231031_12574462-+AT+-aol.com> Sorry guys-- Apparently my computer decided to save something I thought it had eaten. Please ignore the double post. ~Sandi~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 09:21:56 +0100 From: mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Stupid questions #2 Message-ID: <9505260821.AA23446-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> > Had to start re-reading "THE BOOKS" last night and started with > Arrows. I don't remember, when the Monarch's Own dies the Companion > doesn't die--necessarily (but USUALLY doesn't the Companion go when > the Hearld goes??) Anyway--IF they do die, is the next one > Grove-born?? I'd probably answer my own question in due time in the > book, but this is funner. :} > Yes, the Monarch's Own companion is always Grove-born, and doesn't generally die when his Herald does (if I remember right, Talia's told something like this -- doesn't die naturally, but can be killed) Cheers Mel. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 09:30:10 +0100 From: mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: other bo Message-ID: <9505260830.AA24074-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> > > How 'bout Robert Jordan and his "Wheel of Time" series (as of yet > incomplete). His "magic" seems to be of a mind sort. I'll put a vote in here > for his books as well, though I do find them a bit too wordy from time to time. I haven't dared to buy any Jordan yet, since I've looked at the size of the books and wondered whether I'd put my shoulder out getting them home :). Some people have told me they're pretty good. Anyone want to comment yea or nay? For the record, I can take or leave Terry Brooks, got bored with David Eddings the second time through the story, but will cheerfully reread Lord of the Rings (just in case you thought I had an inherent bias against long books :)) Cheers Mel. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 07:49:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: I'm new at this Message-ID: On Fri, 26 May 1995 MJGaul-+AT+-aol.com wrote: > Otavia wrote: > > > In reference to Companions, I thought Vanyel said he was given a choice as > > reincarnating as a Companion, but I could be wrong, :) Also in the Winds > > books-I think it was Winds? When Elspeth and Darkwind etc. are in the > > forest talking to Vanyel, doesn't he mention something about excusing > > Elspeth's Companion because she was never human? > > Lisa responded: > > >Vanyel was given a choice about going to The Havens or staying and > >guarding the forest border. It was never mentioned whether he would > >become a Companion. All he says about Gwena is that she not much old > >than Elspeth and doesn't have much experience. He NEVER says that > >Gwena was never human. > > Didn't he mention another choice? My memory is faulty, and the books are in > transit, but I thought he said something like Most heralds are given a couple > choices, then mentioned some come back like the Hawkbrothers say people come > back. He was given the choice to be part of the border protections; I got the > feeling it was an additional choice. If the Heralds "come back", Companions > are a somewhat logical choice to come back as... > > He also phrases the Gwena comment oddly... he says she has no "real, human > experience"(or something like that) which would lead me to believe that other > companions do... but then I believe that the Grove born Companions are a > spirit of a different order than the rest, and that there has only been 1 > Monarch's Own companion since the beginning, just gets reborn. I had a > thought that Rolan _could_ be King Valdemar's companion, just reborn and > renamed a few times. > > If anyone reads this far... when was the position of Monarch's Own created? > > --melissa The position of Monarch's Own was created at the founding of Valdemar. Baron/King Valdemar (I think, been a while since I read that one) prayed for help, and he got it, in the form of the first three Companions, who Chose the Monarch, the Monarch's Own, and the Heir. The first Companions were all Grove born, but after a while they began having children, and I'd lay money on the theory that it was a short while after the first group of Heralds got Glorious Funerals. That and the similarity of names: Sayvil/Savil, Jaysen/Jasen, Tran/Tantras, etc. I am *not* going to spout facts on the reborn-ness of the Monarch's Own, but maybe they come back as Heralds? --Jaguar (who *NEEDS* to re-read all her books)-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 12:12:23 +0000 (GMT) From: jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: other books(Jordan) Message-ID: <9505261212.AA14458-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk> > I haven't dared to buy any Jordan yet, since I've looked at the size of the > books and wondered whether I'd put my shoulder out getting them home :). > > Some people have told me they're pretty good. Anyone want to comment yea > or nay? For the record, [snip] > Mel. > Well, I come up about the same on the (snipped) others above, and I like the Jordan books. Yes, they're big - but they're also interesting. It's a big, sprawling story - major plot elements don't get resolved in a single book - but Jordan manages to keep things rolling along. In a way there are some minor similarities to Eddings' Belgariad - you start with backwater characters, that go on to learn about, and become important to, the rest of the world. The difference is that Jordan does better at evoking the size, complexities and age of the rest of the world - His characters tend to be more complex, things happen away from the party, there's less stereotyping, and other people have their own agenda; what the party see is definately not all you get, and the characters develop gradually as time goes by; there's a whole bunch of sub-plots and happenings to keep things interesting as you go along. Sort of like a war - there are individual battles, and campaigns, and personal stories, with the overall progress running along in the background, and nobody knowing what's going to happen next. There are a few recurring themes that can either be amusing or mildly irritating - for example, *sniff* and 'why does X always do better than me with the girls' (where 'X' eventually runs through most of the young male characters) - but overall, this is still one of the few on my 'buy in hardback' list. -- _|_ / | Jerry Cullingford jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Work) \_|_ jc-+AT+-selune.demon.co.uk (Home) \__/ Hemel Hempstead, UK jerry-+AT+-shell.portal.com (alternate) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 13:14:42 +0100 From: mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Re: other books(Jordan) Message-ID: <9505261214.AA27062-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> >From the sounds of Jerry's thoughts on Jordan, I probably ought to read some, because he sounds like the fantasy equivalent of Tom Clancy, and I _love_ Clancy's books. :) *grin* Mel. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 08:18:48 -0500 (CDT) From: j hewitt To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: other bo Message-ID: On Fri, 26 May 1995, Melanie Dymond Harper wrote: > I haven't dared to buy any Jordan yet, since I've looked at the size of the > books and wondered whether I'd put my shoulder out getting them home :). don't buy books (i'm a librarian) -- i buy them with other people's money and then read them or interlibrary loan them *grin* anyway -- the jordan books, imho, are going down in quality as the series continues -- i'm hooked, because i've "gotta finish what's on my plate", but the latter books are getting wordier and wordier, and he's introduced quite a few threads that seem peripheral (and not tied up any of the earlier ones) > > Some people have told me they're pretty good. Anyone want to comment yea > or nay? For the record, I can take or leave Terry Brooks, got bored with David > Eddings the second time through the story, but will cheerfully reread Lord > of the Rings (just in case you thought I had an inherent bias against long > books :)) > for what it is worth -- i read the entire Tolkien trilogy in 12 hours (8 pm until 8 am) in one sitting (or lying) 20 years ago, and have re-read it at least 15 times since i would have to say that tolkien was probably the initiator for reading fantasy for a very large number of us over the age of 35 and why there hasn't been a *good* movie of the trilogy yet is beyond me... Jim Hewitt Co-ordinator of Reference Services 218-299-4239 (office) Ylvisaker Library hewitt-+AT+-cobber.cord.edu Concordia College hewitt-+AT+-gloria.cord.edu Moorhead, MN 56562 http://www.cord.edu/faculty/hewitt/index.html HELP!! I'm calling from the corner of Walk and Don't Walk streets!!! ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 14:41:02 +0100 From: mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Tolkien and films Message-ID: <9505261341.AA28916-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> > don't buy books (i'm a librarian) -- i buy them with other people's money > and then read them or interlibrary loan them *grin* You're lucky. I'm not really near enough to a library to get books out, because I never return them on time :) > i would have to say that tolkien was probably the initiator for reading > fantasy for a very large number of us over the age of 35 > Not to mention those under 35, although I can't actually remember what the first fantasy book I read would have been; I think the first SF book was most likely a Heinlein. LotR was probably not long after the start, though, since my parents had a copy at home (they don't any more. I appropriated it. :)) > and why there hasn't been a *good* movie of the trilogy yet is beyond me... > Probably for the same reason that there hasn't been a good movie of Pern, or Valdemar, or indeed almost any other fantasy setting including non-humans. I shall wait with interest to see what the next crop of semi-animated films are like, then maybe we should all start agitating... Hm, would Lackey's books actually need animation at all? Thinking about it, I would have thought you could do most of them with some ordinary-level special effects. Companions wouldn't be that hard (although making their eyes blue might be tricky). There aren't that many nonhumanoids (kyree ... some Pelagir creatures.... no major characters in the early books)... Hmmmmmm. Cheers Mel. ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 26 ********************************