MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 61 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Fight scenes by mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) 2) Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 58 by harkerii-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (John Edwards ) 3) Re: Sorry to break the subject. by "Jean S." 4) Chava by RUNDLE-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com 5) Re: Sorry to break the subject. by Gyrfalcon 6) Re: Sorry to break the subject. by TAMRA SPIELVOGEL 7) Re: Arthurian Stuff by "Otavia M. Propper" 8) RE: Fight scenes by KERISH-+AT+-SPHINX.TAMU.EDU 9) Re: help! I' m drownding in e-mail. by LORALEA-+AT+-aol.com 10) New Orleans by SBuskirk-+AT+-aol.com 11) Re: off-topic posts by URAMESS-+AT+-aol.com 12) Fight scenes by URAMESS-+AT+-aol.com 13) Re: Fight scenes by URAMESS-+AT+-aol.com 14) Banned Books 4 by URAMESS-+AT+-aol.com 15) Re: ATTENTION all Chocoholics by URAMESS-+AT+-aol.com 16) Re: ATTENTION all Chocoholics by URAMESS-+AT+-aol.com 17) Re: ATTENTION all Chocoholics by URAMESS-+AT+-aol.com 18) Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 58 by URAMESS-+AT+-aol.com 19) Re: off-topic posts by "Jennifer S. Broekman" 20) Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 58 by MaryKite-+AT+-aol.com 21) Re: Banned Books 4 by jennings-+AT+-ionet.net (David Jennings) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 09:23:39 +0100 From: mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Fight scenes Message-ID: <9506280823.AA29486-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> > >As for fight scenes it would definetly be interesting to find out where she > >does her research. I do some writing of my own and I find it nearly impossible > >to right a good piece that I can't relate to my life. Write what you know is > >my modo. > > (Starwolf's useful comments about the SCA etc deleted) Another thing you might want to try is to see if you have any live-action roleplaying groups around. Although their weapons are usually fairly stylised (latex or similar), and there are some rules regarding fighting (typically head hits are disallowed - more on that later), the styles are interesting, and it's usually fairly well supervised so that you should not come out with anything worse than bruises. It is worth noting that it is handy to have some sort of referee around when trying this sort of thing. It may not give you quite such an authentic "fighting experience" :) but it will save injuries. Pulled blows, wherever they land, are likely to be less painful than blows landed full-force, and head hits _hurt_, quite apart from being dangerous. I know this from experience; someone clouted me round the head with a rubber sword once and I wound up with (thankfully mild) concussion. Also, without someone else to hand, beginners _will_ get carried away and hit harder than they mean to. Cheers Ol' Granny Mel. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 01:24:09 -0700 From: harkerii-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (John Edwards ) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 58 Message-ID: <199506280824.BAA10211-+AT+-ix2.ix.netcom.com> Matt Said.... >Hello all! > >Just had to let all in the US know that I saw Batman this weekend! >You all >must simply go see it! So much better than the first 2 movies. I >think that >I found a new movie studd. Where did Chris O'Donnell come from? > >Are you all enjoying the weekend. To humid in PA for my taste. > >Speaking of taste, did anyone try that receipe? > >Clear Skies >Matt J I havent seen it yet, We went to see the Preview for First Knight. If you like pure Arthurian stories, it's not for you. It IS a great movie, but it only vaguely follows the first King Arthur movie I saw (Excalibur, of course!) John -- =================================================== = Life is a Lemon, and I want my money back! = = Meatloaf = =================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 95 08:51:39 EDT From: "Jean S." To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Sorry to break the subject. Message-ID: <9506281257.AA01893-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> Well, I'm another member of the S.C.A. (knew there had to be more of us). Lately the S.C.A. has begun to include fencing as well as "heavy list" fighting. (My lord husband wants to start, but has to save $$$ for the equipment.) From what I've seen, this seems to be more like "street" sword fighting than the heavy armored list stuff. On another tangent, just got finished rereading _Children of the Night_ and there's a bar run by "Sir Severale" who's a member of a "Medieval Society". Sounds like Ms Lackey at least knows about the S.C.A. (And now for something completely different 8-)) Anyone else think the "chava" in the Tayledras vales is chocolate? Wind to thy wings, Jean S. (Kriemhilde von Habichtslager, S.C.A.) (Middle Kingdom, Shire of Dragonsmark) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 6:49:27 -0600 (MDT) From: RUNDLE-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Chava Message-ID: <950628064927.21c224ed-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com> >(And now for something completely different 8-)) >Anyone else think the "chava" in the Tayledras vales is chocolate? >Wind to thy wings, >Jean S. >(Kriemhilde von Habichtslager, S.C.A.) >(Middle Kingdom, Shire of Dragonsmark) Not just chocolate, but the most divine, whipped swiss cocoa you'll ever taste . If you've ever had real swiss chocolate, and then, either before or after, had a Hershey bar, you'll know what I mean. That's what I pictured when they started talking about Chava. It's the perfect cup of chocolate, just the way you like it. I want some The best chocolate in the world seems to be in Switzerland, although German chocolate certainly takes a solid second place. (Should I duck, or will everyone agree with me?) StarWolf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 10:02:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Gyrfalcon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Sorry to break the subject. Message-ID: >Anyone else think the "chava" in the Tayledras vales is chocolate? Was there any doubt? Wind to thy wings, --Gyrfalcon =======================msowers-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu=================== Magic still exists. We have only to reach out and touch it, it is a part of the very fabric of the world. When our belief of magic completely dies this universe shall die. Because that magic; Hope, Dreams, Love, Beauty, Wonder, Belief, and Discovery are what make us a people. They are all part of a great Art whose workings are still a mystery but whose applications can be seen every day. If we ever lose the Art mankind shall not last the day. Let the magic that is in us roam free in our work, play, in each other, and most of all in ourselves. Let it roam free or it will die. ============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 95 10:14:43 EDT From: TAMRA SPIELVOGEL To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Sorry to break the subject. Message-ID: <9506281419.AA03840-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> I always thought "chava" was a variation on hot chocolate. Kinda like when you have apple cider and then you have spiced apple cider. I've also thought of it as a mix of hot chocolate/coffe/milk/cinamin (?sp). Its a concoction I've been meaning to try...hmm ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Tamra Ann Spielvogel A hotline consultant's motto: Letts Hall #205, The American U. I'm not god but I'll gladly 4400 Mass. Ave., NW connect you. ;) Washington, DC 20016-8104 E-mail:ts3763a -+AT+-american.edu ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 12:26:21 -0400 (EDT) From: "Otavia M. Propper" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Arthurian Stuff Message-ID: I was looking around on the web and I found a home page that connects to a lot of Arthurian stuff. It's uhm... http://www.princeton.edu:80/~+pnegron/ Otavia ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 13:57:04 -0500 (CDT) From: KERISH-+AT+-SPHINX.TAMU.EDU To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: Fight scenes Message-ID: <950628135704.23e04520-+AT+-SPHINX.TAMU.EDU> Just my two pence... I am a "competive" fencer. (the quotes are because i do classical fencing but currently don't have the money to practice or go to tournaments) At most of the local colleges there are possibly fencing salles that teach the basics of foil, epee and sabre (the difference between the weapons being the "shape" of the sword and the target area to score a hit). All the fighting terms (ok, well, most) are available in a beginning fencing class. If you would like I can try to dig up my old fencing book and post the names and definitions of the fencing terms for things to give you something to work on. There is also a usenet newsgroup for fencing that has an occassional faq posting. I could dig that up and pass it along too... Lift up your cares, Diana ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 15:08:08 -0400 From: LORALEA-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: help! I' m drownding in e-mail. Message-ID: <950628150807_80193395-+AT+-aol.com> How do I get OFF of this list? Anyone? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 19:33:01 -0400 From: SBuskirk-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: New Orleans Message-ID: <950628193300_104348832-+AT+-aol.com> Matt (and everyone else) I would love to tell you about New Orleans! First of all, it's very big. There is an overwhelming impression of openness, and compared to Seattle it seemed immense. There aren't many tall buildings, like there are here. The weather was nice; not too hot or humid, and it only rained in the very early morning. We went to the Riverwalk, which is a large mall with only small to medium-sized stores in it that runs along the bank of the Mississippi. (For those of you from Seattle, imagine Bellevue Square, sans Nordstom etc., stretched out and placed alongside a river in one long line.) There are paddle-wheel boats that moor along there, and down into the French Quarter. They're gambling boats--once they've gone a certain distance out into the river, the games begin! When we finished the Riverwalk, we took a trolley down to the French Quarter, and walked through the French Market. That is something like Pike Street Market, except that it's all at ground level, and while there is a roof over some of it, there are no walls around it. The prices are better in the French Market, and they sell some incredible stuff! I bought voodoo dolls for several of my friends, of course. There are mule-drawn carriages everywhere in that area (the mules wear cute hats), and most of the buildings are very French and have fancy wrought-iron balconies. One interesting difference is that, where Seattle has espresso carts everywhere, New Orleans has sno-cone carts with gourmet flavors, and there are drive-through dacquiri stores in lots of places. The only thing I didn't particularly like was the roads--I think the roads and highways must have been designed by a committee of idiots! For instance, you can't make left-hand turns off of many main roads--you have to go further down, make a u-turn in a special lane, then go back and make a right turn onto the road you want! There are canals and levees everywhere you look, too; some of them running right down between the lanes of the roads. The day before I left we went to Jean Laffite National Park and walked through a bayou. We saw three or four alligators lying around in the swamp, clouds of dragonflies, and some huge spiders. Whole families of spiders will make their webs all together, so that you might see 20 or 30 of them in a space maybe two feet square. (shudder) It was a very interesting place to visit, but I think I'm glad I live in Seattle. All in all it was a lot of fun, and I hope I get to go back there sometime a visit again. Oh yes--I read WG on the plane down. (grin) ~Sandi~ ************************************ Three rules govern life. Never give up on your dreams. Always stand up for what's right. And _never_ mess with the mommy. -Holly Lisle _Minerva Wakes_ ************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 19:54:39 -0400 From: URAMESS-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: off-topic posts Message-ID: <950628195436_80387361-+AT+-aol.com> In a message dated 95-06-27 13:32:13 EDT, you write: >I'm not a complete ogre, you know; I don't object to the occasional off-topic >post. It was only when, a couple of months ago, the off-topic posts were >forming a large part of what was already (at that point) a very busy list's >traffic, that I felt bound to step in. > > Mel, We never thought that you are an ogre!!!!! Unless of course....well, let me just use the quote, "Hell hath no furry like a woman scorned!" I try to live by that, especially around those pre-moon days. ::getting flame retardant suit ready and ducking:: Clear Skies Matt ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ In deference to our visionary pioneers, perhaps the Stonewall rebellion ought to be seen not as the start of our revolution but as its long-anticipated second wave. --Lillian Faderman. First night of the Stonewall Inn Riots, March 27, 1969. They asked me the other day my definition of the perfect lover. And I had it for them, too. A man who can make love to you until four 0'clock in the morning - and then turn into a pizza. --Charles Pierce. Ten thoudand people march in New York City's Gay Pride Parade, March 28, 1994. Let's stop treating the earth like an ashtray. -- Bette Midler. Why are some people so miserable in their own lives that they must try to control mine? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 19:54:41 -0400 From: URAMESS-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Fight scenes Message-ID: <950628195439_80387419-+AT+-aol.com> In a message dated 95-06-27 17:06:05 EDT, you write: >Well, one place you can see actual fights, swords and all, is the Society >for Creative Anachronysms (SCA). Sorry if I butchered their name, I've >only been exposed to a few members. I've never actually gone down there, >but according to a flyer I picked up recently, they practice at a local >park here in Phoenix. Since the SCA is all over the country, there may >very well be a chapter in your area, and they will probably be having >tourneys and so forth on a regular basis. Isn't there a few SCA members >on this list? > > I am not a SCA member but have several friends who are. I would recommend that you try several places. 1 being a local ren faire. Here in PA the faire is soon to start at Mt. Hope Estate and Winery. Exit 20 of the PA turnpike. 2 SCA has a major event in the summer time called Pennsic (sp.). I believe near Pbgh? Maybe Barra would know. I do believe also that it is either in late July or August. Hope this info helps. Wind to Thy Wings Matt ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ they asked me the other day my definition of the perfect lover. And I had it for them, too! A man who can make love to you until four o'clock in the morning - and then turn into a pizza. -- Charles Pierce. Ten thousan people march in New York City's Gay Pride Parade, June 28, 1994. In deference to our visionary pioneers, perhaps the Stonewall rebellion ought to be seen not as the start of our reveloution but as its long-anticipated second wave. -- Lillian Faderman. First night of the Stonewall Inn Riots, March 27, 1969. Let's stop treating the earth like an ashtray. -- Bette Midler. Why are some people so miserable in their own lives that they must try to control mine? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 19:54:43 -0400 From: URAMESS-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Fight scenes Message-ID: <950628195441_80387450-+AT+-aol.com> In a message dated 95-06-28 04:49:55 EDT, you write: >Ol' Granny Mel. > > What's this supposed to mean???????????? Matt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 19:54:57 -0400 From: URAMESS-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Banned Books 4 Message-ID: <950628195456_80387653-+AT+-aol.com> Again, here are 10 more books, 31.) THE MERCHANT OF VENICE, William Shakespeare. Banned Midland, MI classrooms (1980). Objections for purported anti-semitism. 32.) NELSON AND WINNIE MANDELA, Dorothy and Thomas Hoobler. The Mandelas and the African National Congress were charged as "Communit-backes and as advocating violence". Challenged at the Hillsboro, OR Public Library (1988) by a patron. 33.) OF MICE AND MEN, John Steinbeck. Considered "dangerous" because of its profanity and "vulgar language". Banned, Syracuse, IN (1974); Oil City, PA (1977); Grand Blanc, MI (1979); Continental, OH (1980); Scottsboro, AL Skyline High School (1983). Challenged, Greenville, SC (1977); Veronon-Verona-Sherill School District, NY (1980); St. David, AZ (1981); Telly City, IN (1982); Knoxville, TN School Board (1984). 34.) ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO'S NEST, Ken Kesey. Removed (from required reading list) Westport, MA (1977). Banned (along with FIRING OF INSTUCTOR) St. Anthony, Idaho Freemont High School. Cahllenged, Merrimack, NH High School. 35.) ORDINARY PEOPLE, Judith Guest. Called "obscene" and "depressing" by critics of this novel. Banned (temporarily) Merrimack, NH High School (1982). 36.) PEREZ AND MARTINA, Pura Belpre. Opposed to because "the death of a mouse in the story could upset children". Challenged, Multnomah County Library, Portland OR (1988). 37.) THE PHANTOM TOLLBOOTH, Norton Juster, Deemed "a poor fantasy". Removed by a public library in Boulder CO (1988). 38.) THE PRINCE IN WAITING, John Christopher. Charged with "promoting positive attituded toward the occult and ridicule toward Christianity". Challenged Canby, OR Junior High School Library (1988). 39.) THE PRINCE OF TIDES, Pat Conroy. Considered to contain "trashy, pulp pornography". Removed (as a reading assignment) St. Andrews Parish SC Public School (1988). 40.) THE SATANIC VERSES, Salman Rushdie. Accused of "criticizing Islam". Banned Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and India (1989). BURNED West Yorkshire, England (1989). Removed from two bookstores because of threats to staff and property. List from the American Library Association's _Celebrating the Freedom to Read Banned Books Week '93_. 1993. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 19:55:56 -0400 From: URAMESS-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: ATTENTION all Chocoholics Message-ID: <950628195448_80387560-+AT+-aol.com> In a message dated 95-06-27 21:48:25 EDT, you write: > 1 cup Coffee >> Is this instant coffee, or regular? Thanks Matt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 19:55:53 -0400 From: URAMESS-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: ATTENTION all Chocoholics Message-ID: <950628195441_80387438-+AT+-aol.com> In a message dated 95-06-27 17:18:43 EDT, you write: >Being a certified chocoholic, I would love it. Anyone want a recipe >guaranteed to put elves into a drug induced stupr for weeks - a >florentine chocolate mousse roll anyone? > >Lisa > I'll make it short and sweet: YES Thanks Matt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 19:53:00 -0400 From: URAMESS-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: ATTENTION all Chocoholics Message-ID: <950628195127_80387374-+AT+-aol.com> In a message dated 95-06-27 17:00:41 EDT, you write: >Tamra S (who is having a low key birthday so far and must start work now) Happy Belated Birthday!! Matt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 19:53:04 -0400 From: URAMESS-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 58 Message-ID: <950628195135_80387493-+AT+-aol.com> In a message dated 95-06-28 05:01:45 EDT, you write: > I havent seen it yet, We went to see the Preview for First Knight. >If you like pure Arthurian stories, it's not for you. It IS a great >movie, but it only vaguely follows the first King Arthur movie I saw >(Excalibur, of course!) > >John >-- >=================================================== So other than that how is it? You know Sean Connery and Richard Gere in the same movies has my hormones raging again. (sorry) :grinnnig oh so slyly:: Matt P.S. Can anyone tell me why after a week and a half without the sun it waits till the end of the day to make an apperance. This is more than fashionably late! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ They asked me the other day my definition of the perfect lover. And I had it for them, too. A man who can make love to you until four o'clock in the morning -- and then turn into a pizza. --Charles Pierce. Ten thousand people march in New York City's Gay Pride Parade, 1994. Let's stop treating the earth like an ashtray. -- Bette Midler, Why are some people so miserable in their own lives that they must try to control mine? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 20:37:48 -0400 From: "Jennifer S. Broekman" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: off-topic posts Message-ID: <199506290037.UAA11688-+AT+-sparky.phast.umass.edu> Matt wrote: > Mel, > We never thought that you are an ogre!!!!! Unless of course....well, let me > just use the quote, "Hell hath no furry like a woman scorned!" I try to live > by that, especially around those pre-moon days. ::getting flame retardant > suit ready and ducking:: Why, Matt, you mean you're not a Donelan character? (Donelan is a cartoonist whose gay male characters never seem to have female friends...) > Ten thoudand people march in New York City's Gay Pride Parade, March 28, > 1994. Um, New York City's Gay Pride Parades are the last weekend in June, every year... The anniversary of the Stonewall riots and all that... -jenneke, who had a blast at this year's parade I *am* family. How could I not have family values? Only Boys Accepting Feminism Get Kissed Meaningfully -- Geoff Marcy The only unnatural sexual act is that which you cannot perform. -Alfred Kinsey broekman-+AT+-sparky.phast.umass.edu | http://www-astro.phast.umass.edu/gs/jenn.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 20:50:55 -0400 From: MaryKite-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 58 Message-ID: <950628205054_80428696-+AT+-aol.com> >P.S. Can anyone tell me why after a week and a half without the >sun it waits >till the end of the day to make an apperance. This is more than >fashionably >late! > > Where are you? I've had an unending heatwave here in old Northern CA. :::turns another fan on::: Just thinking about the sun makes me hot!!! Mary Kite ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 20:02:31 -0500 From: jennings-+AT+-ionet.net (David Jennings) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Banned Books 4 Message-ID: <199506290102.UAA16852-+AT+-ion1.ionet.net> >37.) THE PHANTOM TOLLBOOTH, Norton Juster, Deemed "a poor fantasy". Removed >by a public library in Boulder CO (1988). Are you serious?!? A poor fantasy?!? Jesus, I mist of read that at least twenty or more times as a boy. What kind of people live in Colorado?? Off to the bookstoke for twenty more..... -David David Jennings eMail - jennings-+AT+-ionet.net Hompepage - http://ionet.net/~jennings/home.html US Army Veteran , American Legion Post #448 ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 61 ********************************