MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 79 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) MISC. by URAMESS-+AT+-aol.com 2) Re: UK Lackey list meeting by URAMESS-+AT+-aol.com 3) Banned Books 16 by URAMESS-+AT+-aol.com 4) Re: UK Lackey list meeting by Gyrfalcon 5) Re: Disabilities in Velgarth by RUNDLE-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com 6) Misty web pages by "Otavia M. Propper" 7) Re: Disabilities in Velgarth by "Jennifer S. Broekman" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 16 Jul 1995 21:21:00 -0400 From: URAMESS-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: MISC. Message-ID: <950716212056_116231151-+AT+-aol.com> To all the residents in the UK, The Sci-Fi Channel here in the states just aired a segment on the Forbidden Planet bookstore. That store is huge! I couldn't believe all the stuff that I saw! WOW! I am jealous. I can only imagine all the Lackey stuff that would be there. On a different note, would the person that has the recipe for the cake with Baileys Irish Ceam please send it to me privately? Thanks so much. Sorry Mel for that lack of ML content. I am trying, honestly I am :on hands and knees groveling for the listmistresses forgiveness:: :grin:: Take care all Matt (who is enjoying the cool weather after a sever thunderstorm that killed the heat wave) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ All men and women woo me. There is a frangrance in their breath. Henry David Thoreau. Sexuality and self-esteem go together. --Sara Cytron. The Immigration and Naturalization Service's policy of preventing gay men and lesbians from entering the United States is ruled unconstitutional by a federal judfe, July 16, 1982. Let's stop treating the earth like and ashtray. --Bette Midler. Why are some people so miserable in their own lives that they must try to control mine? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>Harrisburg, PA Gay Pride Festival, July 30, 1995. Resivoir Park.<< ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jul 1995 21:31:59 -0400 From: URAMESS-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: UK Lackey list meeting Message-ID: <950716212034_116230910-+AT+-aol.com> Mel, That was such a cute poem! I hope that you all had fun! Meeting people on this list sounds great! I was under the impression that some of us on the East Coast of the United States were going to try to meet somewhere? Am I wrong? Think of the great time that could be had by all..... Matt (who is glad that after a major thunderstorm, that the heat wave has ended/subsided!) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ All men and women woo me. There is a fragrance in their breath. --Henry David Thoreau. Sexuality and self-esteem go together. -- Sara Cytron. The Immigration and Naturalization Service's policy of preventing gay men and lesbians from entering the United States is ruled unconstitutional by a federal judge, July 15, 1982. Let's stop treating the earth like an ashtray. -- Bette Midler. Why are some people so miserable in their own lives that they must try to control mine? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>Harrisburg, PA Gay Pride Festival July 30, 1995. Resivoir Park.<< ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jul 1995 21:32:08 -0400 From: URAMESS-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Banned Books 16 Message-ID: <950716212053_116231115-+AT+-aol.com> 151) ENDLESS LOVE, Scott Spencer. Banned from the Berkeley County, SC High School Media Center (1991) because of "explicit pornographic passages and depicted adult material for a teenage reader." 152) CALEB AND KATE, William Steig. Removed from the Boyertown, PA Elementary School Library shelves (1992) because the book "depicts a dismal outlook on marriage and life." 153) OF MICE AND MEN, John Steinbeck. Challenged as required reading in the Buckingham County, VA (1991) because the book of profanity. 154) LIVE FROM GOLGOTHA, Gore Vidal. Challenged at the Carrollton, TX Public Library (1992) because the book is "offensive and pornographic." 155) HOMECOMING, Cynthia Voigt. Challenged at the Lynchburg, VA Middle and High School English Classes (1992) because it presents readers with negative role models and values. 156) THE COLOR PURPLE, Alice Walker. Challenged as a reading assignment at the New Bern, NC High School (1992) because the main character is raped by her step father. 157) LONG LIVE THE QUEEN, Ellen Emerson White. Challenged in the Mount Vernon, WA School Libraries (1991) because it contains an objectionable word. 158) DRAGONWINGS, Laurence Yep. Challenged at the Apollo-Ridge Schools in Kittaning, PA (1992) because of the grequent use of the word "demon" in the book. 159) PIGMAN, Paul Zindel. Challenged at the Lynchburg, VA Middle and High Schools English classes (1992) because the novel contains 29 instances of "destructive, disrepectful, antisocial and illegal behavior." This concludes the listing that I have of books that were banned, burned, or where people tried to get them removed or banned. My source was, from the American Library Association CELBRATING THE FREEDOM TO READ BANNED BOOKS WEEK 1993. Hopefully I will be able to find a more updated list in the near future. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 06:49:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Gyrfalcon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: UK Lackey list meeting Message-ID: Mel, you're sick. Very sick. Have you considered seeing a man in a nice white coat? Hell take you someplace where you can have a nice long rest. --Gyrfalcon =======================msowers-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu=================== Magic still exists. We have only to reach out and touch it, it is a part of the very fabric of the world. When our belief of magic completely dies this universe shall die. Because that magic; Hope, Dreams, Love, Beauty, Wonder, Belief, and Discovery are what make us a people. They are all part of a great Art whose workings are still a mystery but whose applications can be seen every day. If we ever lose the Art mankind shall not last the day. Let the magic that is in us roam free in our work, play, in each other, and most of all in ourselves. Let it roam free or it will die. ============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 7:00:01 -0600 (MDT) From: RUNDLE-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Disabilities in Velgarth Message-ID: <950717070001.20606c6c-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com> My put on the whole thing is that they have healers. Healers heal (what a concept). I would imagine that over time, most, or even all mental conditions are cured. As far as physical handicaps, I think they can heal most, although we saw several examples where they didn't heal completely, like the guy that escorted Karal and his mentor from the border (I'm drawing a real blank on most of the names today, sorry). Or the girl that was badly burned in the Arrows books. While they were able to heal her, they were unable to prevent severe scarring. So there must be some amount of handicapped people wandering around, some maybe even chosen. However, keep in mind that the Velgarthian societies are very different from ours: natural selection is working constantly there. We prevent that. In other words, someone with a severe handicap would probably not survive for any great length of time, or if they did, would be very unlikely to marry and have children, potentially passing on the handicap (for those that are inheritable). I know that sounds harsh, but that's the way medieval societies work. Survival of the fittest is a harsh reality. BTW, once magic becomes a bigger part of their society, do you think they will be able to heal more people? I do. After all, magic can *alter* a person, while healing can only try to restore the person to the limit of the healer's ability. Also, do you think that Misty will pull the old "science pushes magic out" thing? You know, the more there is science, the less magic is capable off? That always bothered me, frankly. One of the things I think piers Anthony did right, was that in his "On a Pale Horse" (I think that's the name) book, anyway, the first book of the Immortality series, he had magic and science co-existing peacefully. Here's how I see it: science allows ordinary people to have a higher standard of living, magic allows people with power/money and those with great need to have the things they want/need. But there's no reason that science should cause magic to have less effect. Whew. That was long. Hopefully we can get a good discussion going, and get back to list-related stuff. StarWolf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 15:46:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "Otavia M. Propper" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Misty web pages Message-ID: I seem to have lost the URLs of all the Misty pages all of you have put up. I finally have a home page and would like to put in links to all of the pages. If you'd be so kind as to email me, not the list, so I don't clutter it) with the URLs, I'd be happy. Otavia ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 16:24:32 -0400 From: "Jennifer S. Broekman" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Disabilities in Velgarth Message-ID: <199507172024.QAA23220-+AT+-sparky.phast.umass.edu> Starwolf wrote: >My put on the whole thing is that they have healers. >Healers heal (what a concept). I would imagine that >over time, most, or even all mental conditions are >cured. As far as physical handicaps, I think they >can heal most, although we saw several examples where >they didn't heal completely, like the guy that escorted >Karal and his mentor from the border (I'm drawing >a real blank on most of the names today, sorry). I don't think handicaps like Downs Syndrome and blindness are necessarily heal-able. >Or the girl that was badly burned in the Arrows books. >While they were able to heal her, they were unable >to prevent severe scarring. Given that they couldn't prevent scarring from occuring, I don't see how they'd cure or prevent cerebral palsy or (born) deafness. >So there must be some amount of handicapped people >wandering around, some maybe even chosen. I don't think the question was really, do they exist, but more, why don't we see them. >However, keep in mind that the Velgarthian societies >are very different from ours: natural selection is >working constantly there. We prevent that. In other >words, someone with a severe handicap would probably >not survive for any great length of time, or if they >did, would be very unlikely to marry and have children, >potentially passing on the handicap (for those that >are inheritable). >I know that sounds harsh, but that's the way medieval >societies work. Survival of the fittest is a harsh >reality. True, but these things (blindness, deafness, Downs Syndrome (and other chromosomal abnormalities), and cerebral palsy) are not strongly enough inheritable for them to have been bred out in the real world, so we can expect that they haven't been on Velgarth, either. (I can see people with mild DS being Chosen on a fairly regular basis, actually...) >BTW, once magic becomes a bigger part of their society, >do you think they will be able to heal more people? >I do. After all, magic can *alter* a person, while >healing can only try to restore the person to the >limit of the healer's ability. If you're of the opinion that Healers can only restore, how do you expect them to fix handicaps? As for magic fixing handicaps, I think the best it can probably do is give the affected person ways to cope, the same as technology. (Think how useful Farsight or MageSight would be to a blind person: it wouldn't cure them, but it would give them a way to deal.) -jenneke I *am* family. How could I not have family values? Only Boys Accepting Feminism Get Kissed Meaningfully -- Geoff Marcy The only unnatural sexual act is that which you cannot perform. -Alfred Kinsey broekman-+AT+-sparky.phast.umass.edu | http://www-astro.phast.umass.edu/gs/jenn.html ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 79 ********************************