MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 83 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Requirements to be chosen by Gyrfalcon 2) Re: Other books by nomib-+AT+-chem.psu.edu (Naomi) 3) Re: Printing Presses by PTJ-+AT+-badger.demon.co.uk (Philip Johnson) 4) Re: printing in valdemar by Julie Vaux 5) Handicaps et al; by URAMESS-+AT+-aol.com 6) Re: Printing Presses by jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) 7) www reviews updated by jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) 8) Re: Handicaps et al; by "Otavia M. Propper" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 15:48:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Gyrfalcon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Requirements to be chosen Message-ID: There are many handicaps which should keep people from being chosen, like having no 'special' powers, like mindspeak. I would think some physical and mental disabilities would also keep poeple from being chosen. After all, Heralds are there for a specific purpose and have a job to do and if that means they can't let poeple with disabilities be chosen. Of course I see no reason why someone with Downs Syndrome or who is blind... Well, while the mind-magic of heralds is a definate prerequisite, i don't believe thatthat physical or mental handicaps should pose a problem. A blind herald could (possibly) have farsight, or see through his/her companion's eyes. A deaf might have mindspeaking or clairaudience. And one who has trouble like Downs could easily be a courier or a messanger. Or one of the other jobs that heralds have. But it is not likely to find them on circuit. Wasn't there a blind herald in one of the books? Old, but blind? I can't remember. Wind to thy wings, --Gyrfalcon =======================msowers-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu=================== Magic still exists. We have only to reach out and touch it, it is a part of the very fabric of the world. When our belief of magic completely dies this universe shall die. Because that magic; Hope, Dreams, Love, Beauty, Wonder, Belief, and Discovery are what make us a people. They are all part of a great Art whose workings are still a mystery but whose applications can be seen every day. If we ever lose the Art mankind shall not last the day. Let the magic that is in us roam free in our work, play, in each other, and most of all in ourselves. Let it roam free or it will die. ============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 16:33:04 -0400 From: nomib-+AT+-chem.psu.edu (Naomi) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Other books Message-ID: <199507202033.QAA22109-+AT+-portal.chem.psu.edu> I just got the last book in the Green Lion triology by Teresa Edgerton and read them. They were very good, and I would like to thank everyone who suggested them, and all the other books. Naomi ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 21:26:14 GMT From: PTJ-+AT+-badger.demon.co.uk (Philip Johnson) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Printing Presses Message-ID: <28521-+AT+-badger.demon.co.uk> In message <950719160756.20606533-+AT+-wilma.bcasd.az.honeywell.com> mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk writes: > I thought that Dirk was in the area of the country where scrolls/manuscripts > are *copied*. Remember how each copy was individually bound? > But _printing_ is a lot easier to mechanise than binding. Up until the last century (I believe) you usually bought the book as stiitched sections with fly-leaves and had it bound to you own specification. The fact that books were cheap enough for a young girl (Talia) to be allowed to take one out of doors, and for them to be common enough that you could have what is obviously a historical novel (i.e. light, even frivolous, reading) implies printing technology. -- Philip Johnson 'Never do for yourself what you can con an expert into doing for you' Naismith: 'On War' 'A rational government wouldn't allow him possession of a pocket-knife, let alone a space fleet.' Cordelia, Countess Vorkosigan: 'On Naismith' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 12:48:36 +1000 (EST) From: Julie Vaux To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: printing in valdemar Message-ID: <199507210248.MAA29556-+AT+-metz.une.edu.au> Hello the impression I got from the Arrows series was that printing was something very new and I suspect the situation is something like 17th or 18th.c England - Talia got her pocket book of stories from a travelling trader - I presume she had something like a cheap "chapbook" no hardcovers etc . I n the 17th and early 18th.c popular songs and music was sold by the sheet by hawkers . What is odd though is no mention of printing presses in the capital? I suspect the situation may be similar to that in germany in the 15th and early 16thc. Cheap woodcut pictures using technology borrowed from the dyers? and then soon after someone realised for illustrated books they could use the acid etching/engraving tech used in armour making? So the reason printing is not taking place in the capital is probably that it's being done somewhere in valdemar where trade routes meet by the junction of several flowing waterways - water needed for making paper! and possibly in a town with metalworking as a second specialty as with as printing patterns on cloth. One of the reasons KYOTO was a centre for the dying trade in japan was that several rivers flowed thru the city not just the demand for luxury cloth in the capital. The wood block printing tech used for cloth could be applied to paper and in kyoto there was a specialty of what we would call art prints - deluxe books of illustrated poems and stories in a style which aimed to reproduce the effect of a watercolor painting unlike the Edo/tokyo style of printmaking which was more linear! IN KYOTO they had "surfeits" - areas of color in printing without outlines long before this process was abused in us comics . If mercedes lackey ever gives us more info on this IF SHE KNOWS HER ART/TECH/HISTORY ??? I suspect we will find there are two types of printing - a luxury trade of "classics" for the aristos and rich merchants and el cheapo books - reading primers, songbooks etc. IF THEY HAVE PRINTING TECH there may also be printed cloth in valdemar? Some smart merchant or guild lord may be setting up a water or wind powered mill churning out patriotic banners with horse pictures? ack i hope this art history posting wasnt too waffly - its just my two speciality areas in high school was asian art and the renaissance. I was quite fascinated by durers prints and did a printmaking course at tech ... it must be over a decade ago now ... If anyone wants to know more about pre-industrial processes I'll continue the thread but I'LL wait and see what the response is before I start waffling again . I've studied quite a bit of art history probably cos my disability limits my technical skills as a painter/drawer. I CAN DRAW but have trouble with perspective due to my eyesight - one thing I LIKE ABOUT COMPUTER GRAPHICS PROGRAMS -the image rotation factor - no tracing to copy designs!!! and if i go over a line i can delete it sigh aaargh i'm waffling again bye for now julie vaux strongly suspecting she miscalculated the dosage of painkiller for that arthritic twinge she woke up with this morning im waffling im babbling i better go get some caffeine ... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 22:56:59 -0400 From: URAMESS-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Handicaps et al; Message-ID: <950720225658_37336717-+AT+-aol.com> Hopefully I wont get yelled at but, never under estimate the power of a woman. This ties into the Downs Syndrome discussion. I just finished washing a segment of Day 1 on a couple who adopted a girl with Downs Syndrome and refused to believe that there was nothing that she or medicine could do for her daughter. SO she took matters into her own hands and started experimenting with adminstering amino acids, proteins and vitamins, then also after some time added a drug used for Alzheimer's patients, (of course I now don't remember the name of said drug) and saw remarkable imorvements, as word got around, more and more people tried it, and have been very happy with the way things have turned out. There's more to the story but I really don't want to take up bandwith. My point is this......condsidering that healers, mages and the like have done their best for whatever condition, are there any herablists, alchemists, etc? in Valdemar and Velgarth? And if so, have we any record of them? I cant remeber any reference. Matt (Who has had the week from hell and is brain fried) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The world seems more cheerful if, when we wake up in the morning, we find we are no longer alone and that there is another human being beside us in the half-dark. -- Vincent Van Gogh. Let's stop treating the earth like an ashtray. -- Bette Midler. Why are some people so miserable in their own lives that they must try to control mine? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> Harrisburg, PA Gay Pride Festival, July 30, 1995 << ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 08:41:39 +0000 (GMT) From: jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Printing Presses Message-ID: <9507210841.AA02883-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk> > > I thought that Dirk was in the area of the country where scrolls/manuscripts > > are *copied*. Remember how each copy was individually bound? I checked the reference someone came up with - (somewhere around page 276 in my copy of Arrows Flight) - it explicitly mentions printing presses, a Printers and Engravers Guild, and paper making; it may also mention papermills (I don't remember the exact wording of the paper making bit). So there is printing technology - we just don't see too much of it. Some of Kris's remarks (that a thick collection of music must have cost Dirk a fortune) suggests that it may still be expensive - On the other hand, it'd be fairly expensive today too, so I wouldn't read too much into it :-). -- _|_ / | Jerry Cullingford jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Work) \_|_ jc-+AT+-selune.demon.co.uk (Home) \__/ Hemel Hempstead, UK jerry-+AT+-shell.portal.com (alternate) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 12:13:44 +0000 (GMT) From: jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: www reviews updated Message-ID: <9507211213.AA05992-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk> Just to let people know that the reviews pages (http://www.portal.com/~jerry/lackey/lackey_reviews.html) have been updated; I've added a "why do people read Misty" section, and a "Who's who" section for homepage links. Eventually, I hope to put links in from the who's who page to the reviews people have done. Meanwhile, anyone who wants an entry adding can mail me. (And any comments or new reviews on anything by Misty would be welcome too!) -Jerry -- _|_ / | Jerry Cullingford jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Work) \_|_ jc-+AT+-selune.demon.co.uk (Home) \__/ Hemel Hempstead, UK jerry-+AT+-shell.portal.com (alternate) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 08:20:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "Otavia M. Propper" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Handicaps et al; Message-ID: > My point is this......condsidering that healers, mages and the like have done > their best for whatever condition, are there any herablists, alchemists, etc? > in Valdemar and Velgarth? And if so, have we any record of them? I cant > remeber any reference. Yes, we do. In By the Sword, when Kero comes back from her rescue mission, it says that she spent most of her time in the stillroom, making medicines, etc., because no one would bother her. If there's a stillroom, there is an herbalist. I don't remember the exact quote though. Otavia ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 83 ********************************