MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 143 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Talia, Rolan, and mindspeaking by "Croaker" 2) Re: About Talia by "Aphrael" 3) Re: Several Things by "Edward B. Adams" 4) Re: Talia, Rolan, and mindspeaking by jhedge-+AT+-waterw.com (Jeanne Hedge) 5) Re: Wish list by Adrienne York 6) Re: Several Things by Adrienne York 7) Re: David Bahrke wxav85d-+AT+-prodigy.com by Wendy Howell 8) Re: About Talia by duvall.23-+AT+-postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stacy Hunt DuVall) 9) Re: Talia, Rolan, and mindspeaking by h-wilfehrt-+AT+-nwu.edu (Helen M. Wilfehrt) 10) Re: LHM (SPOILER) by Hank Cannon 11) Re: Talia, Rolan, and mindspeaking by Adrienne York 12) Re: About Talia by jhedge-+AT+-waterw.com (Jeanne Hedge) 13) Re: Monarch's Own by "Edward B. Adams" 14) Re: LHM (SPOILER) by h-wilfehrt-+AT+-nwu.edu (Helen M. Wilfehrt) 15) Re: Talia, Rolan, and mindspeaking by h-wilfehrt-+AT+-nwu.edu (Helen M. Wilfehrt) 16) Re: About Talia by h-wilfehrt-+AT+-nwu.edu (Helen M. Wilfehrt) 17) Re: About Talia by KJohn20849-+AT+-aol.com 18) Re: Lots of things. by diamond-+AT+-wizvax.net (Jill Wilber) 19) Re: Talia, Rolan, and mindspeaking by diamond-+AT+-wizvax.net (Jill Wilber) 20) Wacky Monarch's Own Theory by Sunfalcon 21) Re: Lots of things. by h-wilfehrt-+AT+-nwu.edu (Helen M. Wilfehrt) 22) Re: Talia, Rolan, and mindspeaking by Scya-+AT+-aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 17:55:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Croaker" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Talia, Rolan, and mindspeaking Message-ID: <9509152155.AA20857-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> Not too long ago, Edward B. Adams mumbled something about: > > On Fri, 15 Sep 1995, Stacy Hunt DuVall wrote: > > HOw about this: maybe Talia's gift served to "block out" her receptivity > to mind speach: she is too strongly attunded to empathy to pick up on > what Rolan tries to mindspeak to her: it creates a form of "static" > which makes it difficult to recieve. I compare it to two nearby > stations on a radio: normally you can only listen to the one that the > radio is set to, but if the first is quiet and you listen carefully (i.e. > Talia trances) you can hear the second. > Mmmm. It could be, but there's a big glaring hole in it... Rolan -did- 'speak her, when he Chose her... then promptly erased the memory. I think he's a bit more faithful to the Rules than Savil is, that's all. -- =============================================================================== | croaker-+AT+-cyber1.servtech.com | "I *HEARD* That!!!" | | Known to Reality as | -- Warrick Morgannen, | | Chris Nasipak |_________________ Archmage of Pittsburgh. | | http://www.servtech.com/public/croaker/index.html | | =============================================================================== GAT/CS: d? s+:++ a? C++ U*+ P+ L+.5 E W++ N++ K- w--- O+ M-- V- PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP t+ 5++ X++ R+ tv+ b+++ DI- D+ G e+.5 h! r- z? =============================================================================== Copyright 1995, Chris Nasipak. Microsoft Network is prohibited from redistributing this work in any form, in whole or in part. Distribution liscense for this work is available to Microsoft for US$10,000. Distribution constitutes an agreement to these terms. Permission is granted for all other distribution of this complete work. =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 18:09:29 EST From: "Aphrael" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: About Talia Message-ID: >If Talia and Rolan can't mindspeak why can she mind-speak to other >people, as I seem to remember her doing it the Arrows Trilogy when >she worked with other people. I also know that when she first meant >Rolan, that Rolan mind-spoke to her. But she *can't* mindspeak other people. She's an *empath*. She's got only one, albeit very strong, Gift. Later- Lyn Lyn Belzer * P.O. Box 234 St. Bonaventure, NY 14778 * 716/379-3034 ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Tell me why then is the hand slow, and the dog bites. Well I don't know. But the sky will fall and heads will roll, and it's all that we can do to wait for the healing, for to carry on, for to stand when all is said and done in the shadow of the rising sun, longing, waiting for the healing... from _Wait for the Healing_, Amy Grant ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 18:26:05 -0400 (EDT) From: "Edward B. Adams" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Several Things Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Sep 1995, Jerry Cullingford wrote: > makes more sense. And there may be a bit of a 'status symbol' aspect to it > as well - maybe a stallion is more impressive to people who think of the > companions as "horses". But if start getting people who think of Companions as horses, how long before one starts talking about gelding one for a hunter.... At the thought of just what the Herald/Companion would do if THAT came up in conversation.... Ned Adams AKA S.Baldric If this is a trial of my abilities, the gods have no sense of proportion sbaldric-+AT+-roanoke.infi.net (Darkwind k'Sheyna) (703) 890-0212 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 19:19:12 -0400 From: jhedge-+AT+-waterw.com (Jeanne Hedge) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Talia, Rolan, and mindspeaking Message-ID: <9509152319.AA04104-+AT+-water.waterw.com> >Not too long ago, Edward B. Adams mumbled something about: >> >> On Fri, 15 Sep 1995, Stacy Hunt DuVall wrote: >> >> HOw about this: maybe Talia's gift served to "block out" her receptivity >> to mind speach: she is too strongly attunded to empathy to pick up on >> what Rolan tries to mindspeak to her: it creates a form of "static" >> which makes it difficult to recieve. I compare it to two nearby >> stations on a radio: normally you can only listen to the one that the >> radio is set to, but if the first is quiet and you listen carefully (i.e. >> Talia trances) you can hear the second. >> > >Mmmm. It could be, but there's a big glaring hole in it... Rolan >-did- 'speak her, when he Chose her... then promptly erased the memory. >I think he's a bit more faithful to the Rules than Savil is, that's all. > >From the ever-increasingly all-important Talia's Orientation Class, when Teren is talking about how Companions Choose Heralds. He asks if anybody knows how they do it: They looked at one another in puzzled silence. Teren chuckled. "Nor do I. Nor does anyone. A few -- the most sensitive to the bond that forms between a Herald and his Companion -- have described that first encounter as 'a feeling that I was being measured.' But *what* it is that they measure, no one knows. All that we do know is that after a Companion has Chosen, there exists a kind of mind-to-mind link between him and his Herald that is similar, but not identical, to the kind of mind-link that exists between twins," he said, sharing a grin with Drake and Edric. "You'll learn more about that bond later, and how to use it. For now, it's enough for you to know that it *does* exist -- so if you feel something between you and your Companion, you know that you're not imagining it or going mad. As you get older, you may develop one of the Gifts -- what outsiders call 'Herald's magic.' You'll learn more about those later as well -- but if you *thought* your Companion spoke to you when he Chose you, you were right. He did. No matter if you never have more than a touch of a Gift, your Companion will always speak to you in your heart at that moment -- even if he never does so again. It wasn't something you dreamed. And if you have the right Gift, one day you'll learn to speak back." Does that help? Jeanne Hedge jhedge-+AT+-water.waterw.com ======================= "Water, water everywhere, nor any drop to drink..." --Samuel Taylor Coleridge, 'The Rime of the Ancient Mariner' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 19:19:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Adrienne York To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Wish list Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Sep 1995, Heather S. wrote: > > I wish we could see a story that FOCUSES on a female shay'a'chern (sp?) > couple..... Or just a female shay'a'chern character... ;];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];] ;] Adrienne York-Minor ;] ;] "May your life be interesting" potent Shin'a'in curse ;] ;] ayork-+AT+-plato.simons-rock.edu ;] ;];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 19:34:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Adrienne York To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Several Things Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Sep 1995, MR DAVID W BAHRKE wrote: > First of all, where does it say that MOC has to be a stallion? I > have read most of the books and I don't seem to remember mention that > the MOC has to male. I personally find this idea to be repugnant. > When you think about how open-minded Misty's books are I find it hard > to believe that she would insert a bit of sexism like this in one of > her books. I don't remember where it says the MOC must be a stallion, but I'm sure it does. And I can think of one reason off the top of my head why you'd want the MOC to be male. *He* couldn't get pregnant. I don't know if you'd ride a seriously pregnant horse, but I don't think so. And I don't think they have Companion birth control. In addition, Companions have a difficult time with the birthing process. Do you want to accidentally lose an *MOC* to a breech birth? Most other Companions seem to be, unfortunately, more or less replaceable, in terms of absolute practicability. But the MOC has a body of stored knowledge which the other Companions don't seem to posess. Making the MOC male is just one way of eliminating a possibility of death or immobility. > The comment about Vkandis not being active in Valdamar, what about > the sun-priest enclaves left in Valdamar? Somebody, I don't remember who, said that *those* Sun-priests were primarily mages, and priests as an afterthought. I get the feeling that if you want Vkandis to do for you, you have to do for Vkandis. And I also got the impression that they didn't. TTFN, ;];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];] ;] Adrienne York-Minor ;] ;] "May your life be interesting" potent Shin'a'in curse ;] ;] ayork-+AT+-plato.simons-rock.edu ;] ;];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 20:29:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Wendy Howell To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: David Bahrke wxav85d-+AT+-prodigy.com Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Sep 1995, MR DAVID W BAHRKE wrote: > > On the subject of being grove born, since Gwena is grove-born does > this mean that Talia and Rolan will be dying together? Or does being > grove-born not mean that Elspeth and Gwena will be the next Monarch's > Own? > Any Ideas? > > David > Why would Talia and Rolan have to die together? If I remember correctly, Rolan had Chosen at least one previous Monarch's Own. Gwena could not be the next MOC because she is female (see other strings), and besides which, do you realy think that Elspeth, with her personality, would be suitable material for Monarch's Own? -Winterhart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 23:16:11 -0400 From: duvall.23-+AT+-postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stacy Hunt DuVall) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: About Talia Message-ID: <199509160316.XAA29061-+AT+-postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu> On Sept 15, 1995 David W Bahrke wrote: >If Talia and Rolan can't mindspeak why can she mind-speak to other >people, as I seem to remember her doing it the Arrows Trilogy when >she worked with other people. I also know that when she first meant >Rolan, that Rolan mind-spoke to her. I don't have the _Arrows_ trilogy with me, but I was always under the impression that Talia never actually would "mindspeak" other people. I always thought that she could "link" (for lack of a better word) with other people to tune into what their emotions were or to project. I seem to remeber her thinking that it was _extremely_ frustrating that she couldn't mindspeak. The scene with Elspeth and the kid from the Court comes to mind. All Talia got from Rolan was images, I think If I recall correctly, in AOTQ, when Ylsa died, she did "hear" her, but later in the series it is said that she can't actually mindspeak. Oh well, so much for my nightly ramble through distant memory (after all, my last reread was about five years ago...). Stacy Hunt DuVall...beware the Chemistry Avenger! duvall.23-+AT+-osu.edu "Life is a big wild crazy tossed salad, but you don't eat it, no sir! You live it! Isn't it great?"-The Tick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 10:19:17 -0500 From: h-wilfehrt-+AT+-nwu.edu (Helen M. Wilfehrt) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Talia, Rolan, and mindspeaking Message-ID: <199509160318.AA044431532-+AT+-casbah.acns.nwu.edu> > >I was just wondering what anyone else thought of why Rolan can't speak to >Talia, if Companions _can_ speak to anyone they want to, even if the person >is not gifted with mindspeech. After all, there have been cases where >Companion have spoken to people who don't have the gift (or at least we >weren't told they had the gift :). Even if it is against the _rules_, there >are situations (I think) where Rolan mindspeaking Talia would be completely >justified. > >Comments? >Stacy Hunt DuVall...beware the Chemistry Avenger >duvall.23-+AT+-osu.edu It's not Rolan's problem; it's Talia's. She doesn't have the Mindspeaking Gift. Several other Heralds haven't been able to speak to their Companions and all have lacked the Mindspeaking Gift (eg. that damnable Herald who was about to kill Ghost -LHM) or it's blocked - like Sherrill. It always seemed to be more like how Kethry described the difficulty in speaking to beings on the other planes - screaming over loud winds at the top of one's voice. Overcoming Talia's lack of Mindspeech would be somewhat invasive and most of the time the Companions seem to prefer helping only when needed and then usually behind the scenes, allowing their Heralds to work at their own utmost skills. Helen h-wilfehrt-+AT+-nwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 22:23:35 -0600 (CST) From: Hank Cannon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: LHM (SPOILER) Message-ID: Remember, the companions have access to a vast store of knowledge, Foresight being among the gifts in question. Vanyels foresight was active before he was chosen at a subliminal level that the only being able to detect it was probably the deity responsible for the creation of the Companions. Remember YFandes said that she knew what the outcome of their bonding would be before Vanyel was chosen implying some form of Elspeth's hated predestination. Vanyel had to happen. Lendel had to have lost Staven in order for the gating accident to occur that triggered Vanyel's powers. Vanyels dream included Tylendel because if 'Lendel had the strength of will to live he would have been healed because of the lifebond and beause Lancir, the Monarch's Own during that time, was a Mind Healer. But because of that one awful moment the fearsome combination that Tylendel Vanyel, and Yfandes would have made was broken, Vanyel had to take the load alone. and 'Lendel had to come back to finish what he started, although in a different capacity. Wind To Thy Wings Phoenixfire Hank Cannon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 00:37:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Adrienne York To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Talia, Rolan, and mindspeaking Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Sep 1995, Jennifer S. Broekman wrote: > I don't think Talia's lack of MindSpeaking ability rules out her > reincarnating as a Companion. After all, if the gods want to let her, > they can give her the ability. I gotta agree. The child's too good with people to just be let go when she dies, if she chooses to come back > About Gala/Gwena, the most persuasive bit of evidence that they > haven't a thing to do with each other is, IMO, that Gwena is such a > completely naive klutz in her handling of Elspeth's Quest. Gala had > enough experience with 'Lendel to avoid such mistakes... The Gala/Gwena thing started because I couldn't remember her name. There's no particular reason to think they're the same. I apologize. ;];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];] ;] Adrienne York-Minor ;] ;] "May your life be interesting" potent Shin'a'in curse ;] ;] ayork-+AT+-plato.simons-rock.edu ;] ;];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 06:06:58 -0400 From: jhedge-+AT+-waterw.com (Jeanne Hedge) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: About Talia Message-ID: <9509161006.AA00389-+AT+-water.waterw.com> >Here are my $0.02 about Talia mindspeaking. Well not really because I >am just raising more questions. > >If Talia and Rolan can't mindspeak why can she mind-speak to other >people, as I seem to remember her doing it the Arrows Trilogy when >she worked with other people. I also know that when she first meant >Rolan, that Rolan mind-spoke to her. > I don't remember Talia mindspeaking anybody. She *tried* to mindspeak once, when she was in Ancar's dungeon (rationalizing that even with her pitiful amount of mindspeaking her situation should give her enough boost to be heard by somebody <-- paraphrase), but she was being blocked by Hulda and didn't get anywhere with it. >Please can anyone tell me where the quote is about the MOC having to >be male. "Arrow's of the Queen", during Talia's first Orientation class, Teren tells them about the Monarch's Own Companion: "...*That* Companion appears from the Grove just as the originals did. He is always a stallion, and he never seems to age..." Jeanne Hedge jhedge-+AT+-water.waterw.com ======================= "Water, water everywhere, nor any drop to drink..." --Samuel Taylor Coleridge, 'The Rime of the Ancient Mariner' ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 08:26:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "Edward B. Adams" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Monarch's Own Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Sep 1995, Naomi wrote: > >One one point Terren (I think) makes the comment that "The > >only Companion who ALWAYS is Grove Born is the MOC". > > Always grove-born, male and extremly fertile. I wonder if this is the > "gods" plan to prevent inbreeding. > How about this long-standing (i.e. almost 2 minutes now) theory. Maybe the Companions bloodlines need an influx of Grove-born genes every 5 generations or so. Perhaps the magic in their makeup fades as it is passed down from generation to generation (since genetically, the Companions come from a small pool of Grove-born Companions, they DO have the genetic structure) and they need to have a Grove-born bred back into their lines every couple of centuries to keep from becoming mere horses. This would explain why the MOC is always a stallion: a mare could not bear enough offspring to counter the effect of the magic fading, especially if you don't want her pregnant all the time. Of course, the inbreding arguement works also, since there was only a small pool of Grove-born to begin with, however if you consider the low fatality rate of the MOC (i.e. Taver appearing in both TLHM and in "Stolen Silver" ) one new MOC every several centuries isn't going to add much variation Zhai'helleva Ned Ned Adams AKA S.Baldric If this is a trial of my abilities, the gods have no sense of proportion sbaldric-+AT+-roanoke.infi.net (Darkwind k'Sheyna) (703) 890-0212 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 22:44:03 -0500 From: h-wilfehrt-+AT+-nwu.edu (Helen M. Wilfehrt) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: LHM (SPOILER) Message-ID: <199509161543.AA157446215-+AT+-casbah.acns.nwu.edu> >Remember, the companions have access to a vast store of knowledge, >Foresight being among the gifts in question. Vanyels foresight was >active before he was chosen at a subliminal level that the only being >able to detect it was probably the deity responsible for the creation of >the Companions. Remember YFandes said that she knew what the outcome of >their bonding would be before Vanyel was chosen implying some form of >Elspeth's hated predestination. Vanyel had to happen. Lendel had to >have lost Staven in order for the gating accident to occur that triggered >Vanyel's powers. Vanyels dream included Tylendel because if 'Lendel had >the strength of will to live he would have been healed because of the >lifebond and beause Lancir, the Monarch's Own during that time, >was a Mind Healer. But because of that one awful moment the fearsome >combination that Tylendel Vanyel, and Yfandes would have made was broken, >Vanyel had to take the load alone. and 'Lendel had to come back to >finish what he started, although in a different capacity. > > > >Wind To Thy Wings >Phoenixfire >Hank Cannon > > > As Moondance and his partner mentioned to Vanyel upon hearing of his dreams, the Foresight only is predictive of the probable outcome according to present stituations - it could be changed. Remember, after Tylendel died, Vanyel stopped having those dreams predicting the confrontion with Leareth - they only reoccurred after pairing up with Stefen. He had different dreams in between. That brings up something else - remember Vanyel finding out that Leareth had been repeatedly dwindling the ranks of Mages in Valdemar - partly by causing the "accidental" death of newly awakened individuals with the Mage-Gift. What if Leareth subtly encouraged Tylendel's somewhat irrational need for revenge as a means to rid Valdemar of another Mage???? Helen h-wilfehrt-+AT+-nwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 22:44:06 -0500 From: h-wilfehrt-+AT+-nwu.edu (Helen M. Wilfehrt) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Talia, Rolan, and mindspeaking Message-ID: <199509161543.AA157496218-+AT+-casbah.acns.nwu.edu> >>[Ned's rather neat theory snipped for space] >> >>> Are there any other full heralds who can't mindspeak to their >>> Companions? I can't think of any right now, but that doesn't mean much >>> >> >>Keren, I think.... > >Ummm...I thought it was Sherril pre-Keren-lifebond. But it could >have been Keren, too... > >Lyn > Yes, Sherrill before bonding to Keren was Mindblocked in her ability to Mindspeak her Companion - Ylsa's comment on persistent inability underlying great ability. Sherrill's desperate need to reach out & contact Keren upon Ylsa's death and Keren's death wish prompted the awakening of her abilities - there was some mention of Sherrill's needing additional training for her "New Gift". I don't recall any mention of Keren being unable to Mindspeak her Companion - rather the opposite, their contact was so close and complete that they were able to work so well to rescue Talia from the frozen lake. Helen h-wilfehrt-+AT+-nwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 22:44:01 -0500 From: h-wilfehrt-+AT+-nwu.edu (Helen M. Wilfehrt) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: About Talia Message-ID: <199509161543.AA157416212-+AT+-casbah.acns.nwu.edu> >Here are my $0.02 about Talia mindspeaking. Well not really because I >am just raising more questions. > >If Talia and Rolan can't mindspeak why can she mind-speak to other >people, as I seem to remember her doing it the Arrows Trilogy when >she worked with other people. I also know that when she first meant >Rolan, that Rolan mind-spoke to her. > >Please can anyone tell me where the quote is about the MOC having to >be male. > >Thanks, >David > > Talia can't mindspeak to anyone else. The MOC being male quote is in Arrows of the Queen - just after Talia has arrived at the Collegium and has begun the Orientation class with Teren. >If I recall correctly, in AOTQ, when Ylsa died, she did "hear" her, but >later in the series it is said that she can't actually mindspeak. Oh well, >so much for my nightly ramble through distant memory (after all, my last >reread was about five years ago...). > >Stacy Hunt DuVall...beware the Chemistry Avenger! >duvall.23-+AT+-osu.edu Talia's main contact with Ylsa was Empathetic. I believed that she heard Ylsa's Mindspeaking Kyril ("They're in the shaft") because she was in a trance (sort of an out of body experience). Ylsa speaking to her later - passing messages on to Keren to accept Sherrill's love as well as to tell her other things - was after Ylsa had died, sort of like Jaysen (?) speaking to Vanyel after calling down a Final Strike to protect Jisa - maybe the dead Heralds are given to option to pass on Final Messages among their other options. Helen h-wilfehrt-+AT+-nwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 12:17:37 -0400 From: KJohn20849-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: About Talia Message-ID: <950916121736_20921033-+AT+-mail02.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 95-09-16 01:17:01 EDT, Stacy Hunt DuVall writes: >If I recall correctly, in AOTQ, when Ylsa died, she did "hear" her, but >later in the series it is said that she can't actually mindspeak. Oh well, >so much for my nightly ramble through distant memory (after all, my last >reread was about five years ago...). If I remember right, Talia had a slight touch of Farsight which she could only use if there was something strongly emotional tied into what she was seeing. I always figured that when she "heard" Ylsa, it was because Ylsa's sending was tied to very powerful emotion (her impending death). Kathy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 12:55:27 -0400 (EDT) From: diamond-+AT+-wizvax.net (Jill Wilber) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Lots of things. Message-ID: > In the Forest of Sorrows with Vanyel and Stefen. Where else would she > be? > > I admit, however, that if I ended up with a Companion, I'd rather have > one like Yfandes or Cymry or Tantris or Sayvil than a Grove Born > Companion. The ones who were Heralds seem to be far more partners with > their Heralds than the Grove Born ones are. I don't like being manipulated. > I think Gwena is the only one like that. I consider Rolan to be a -perfect- partner for Talia. Diamond ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 13:03:08 -0400 (EDT) From: diamond-+AT+-wizvax.net (Jill Wilber) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Talia, Rolan, and mindspeaking Message-ID: > > Mmmm. It could be, but there's a big glaring hole in it... Rolan > -did- 'speak her, when he Chose her... then promptly erased the memory. > I think he's a bit more faithful to the Rules than Savil is, that's all. > > > -- In Talia's very first class (Arrows of the Queen) her instructer said something about if you never hear your Companion's voice again, every person a Companion chooses, will her the Companion's voice at the point when the Companion chooses. Kinda run on, but wasn't sure how to say it. Diamond ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 14:49:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Sunfalcon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Wacky Monarch's Own Theory Message-ID: First off, warm greetings to all those back on the net because of school resuming. (and, of course, equally warm greetings to all those who've stayed on the list all summer). I just resubscribed to the list, so I have no idea whether anything like this has been suggested, but here goes: Is it possible that the Monarch's Own lives so long because he functions as some sort of coordinator for the Web (and, subsequently, the enhancements Vanyel made to it)? I seem to recall that the reason all the Heralds are tied into each other (the reason someone with an appropriate Gift is always on hand to deal with "situations") was because they were all bonded to Companions. Maybe the M'sO serves as a nexus for them. Then again, maybe not. =) Also, does anyone else find it strange that the Heralds (who know that Companions can Mindspeak with even the non-Gifted) haven't made more of an issue of that than they have? I don't think I'd be too comfortable if I knew that my Companion was holding out on me in that fashion. Then again, who would he/she tell? Responding to Helen's post about Tylendel's death. . . I think it's entirely possible (if not likely) that Krebain (who was heavily implied as Staven's murderer) was acting on Learath's orders, as well as his current employers. Clear skies, The Wordsmith of Irymar ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 01:54:15 -0500 From: h-wilfehrt-+AT+-nwu.edu (Helen M. Wilfehrt) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Lots of things. Message-ID: <199509161853.AA097167627-+AT+-casbah.acns.nwu.edu> >> In the Forest of Sorrows with Vanyel and Stefen. Where else would she >> be? >> >> I admit, however, that if I ended up with a Companion, I'd rather have >> one like Yfandes or Cymry or Tantris or Sayvil than a Grove Born >> Companion. The ones who were Heralds seem to be far more partners with >> their Heralds than the Grove Born ones are. I don't like being manipulated. >> >I think Gwena is the only one like that. I consider Rolan to be a -perfect- >partner for Talia. > >Diamond > > But mind you, Rolan was deeply involved with the manipulation of Elspeth into following the Companion's plan for her Great Destiny- beginning with bringing a new Grove Born to be her Companion. Plus he made Talia forget the arrival of Gwena. Helen h-wilfehrt-+AT+-nwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 17:32:16 -0400 From: Scya-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Talia, Rolan, and mindspeaking Message-ID: <950916173214_101206267-+AT+-emout04.mail.aol.com> ::::she is too strongly attunded to empathy to pick up on what Rolan tries to mindspeak to her: it creates a form of "static" which makes it difficult to recieve. I compare it to two nearby stations on a radio: normally you can only listen to the one that the radio is set to, but if the first is quiet and you listen carefully (i.e. Talia trances) you can hear the second. Admittedly, I am groping for an answer that does allow Companions to speak to (almost) everyone: just because I like the idea of Sayvil giving acid comments to anyone who deserves them :::: snip I wonder if the problem may not have been completely different....Rolan, being Grove-Born and basically the one all the other companions answer to...would Talia have been able to read his thought and therefore find out way too much info of what the companions desired or had to keep secrets if she had had a strong mindspeaking ability with Rolan backed up by her empathy....ie..could she have always told when Rolan had not told her the complete truth? Just my .02 Scya ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 143 *********************************