MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 156 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Lifebonds by gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Norma Gjuka) 2) Re: Lifebonds by gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Norma Gjuka) 3) Re: Older Chosen by wdjpej-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (William Jones ) 4) Re: Inherited gifts (spoiler for Winds books) by AnneR123-+AT+-aol.com 5) Re: Inherited gifts (spoiler for Winds books) by Wendy Hill 6) RE: Another Companion Thought by Adrienne York 7) RE: I'm back! by steph-+AT+-escher.mbi.ucla.edu (Stephanie Wukovitz) 8) Tylendal by WXAV85D-+AT+-prodigy.com (MR DAVID W BAHRKE) 9) Re: Older Chosen by Ina Faye-Lund 10) Re: LHM(SPOILER) by "Tarja Rainio" 11) Re: Lifebonds by Vivian Choh 12) Di Tregarde bookx: info from Tor by mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) 13) Ghost's name by "Tarja Rainio" 14) Re: Vrondi/Web (was: RE: Wacky Monarch's Own Theory) by "Cecile S. Ueltschey" 15) Re: Vrondi/Web (was: RE: Wacky Monarch's Own Theory) by Gyrfalcon 16) Re: Lifebonds by Ina Faye-Lund 17) Re: Wacky Monarch's Own Theory by Rosario Holsen-Baker 18) Re: Bad News for Diana Tregarde fans by Hank Cannon 19) Re: Inherited gifts (spoiler for Winds books) by Adrienne York 20) Re: FS: Lackey Books in Hardcover by wenaus-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Sigmund R. Barckhaus ) 21) RE: LHM(SPOILER) by Adrienne York 22) Re: Wacky Monarch's Own Theory by Adrienne York 23) Re: Older Chosen by "Cecile S. Ueltschey" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 15:39:50 -0800 From: gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Norma Gjuka) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Lifebonds Message-ID: <9509242230.AA02934-+AT+-baker> >Adrienne York wrote: >>Somebody said, in one of the books, I think it might have been Talia in >>one of the Arrows books, that there was a theory that lifebonds occurred >>when there was someone with a strong Gift who was emotionally unstable. > >I think this is actually said in _Winds of Fury_, by Stefen's ghost. > >>Evidence for this theory would be Talia&Dirk, and Keren&Sherill/Ylsa. My >>question, in the Vanyel&Stefen/Tylendel pairing, and the >>Firesong&An'desha pairing, who is the crazier partner? > >Firesong and An'desha are not actually a lifebonded pair. Other pairs >for your consideration: Selenay/Daren, Kerowyn/Eldan, Kethry/Jadrek, >Elspeth the Peacemaker/Bard whatshisname :-), Shavri/Randale, >Jisa/Treven, Donni/Mardic, Starwind/Moondance... (In all possible >cases, I've put the woman first, not necessarily the one I consider >less stable...) somewhere i heard misty say that lifebonds were people who needed each other to be stable and sane. i believe this was in an old letter to queen's own but could be wrong. the drift of the letter seemed to be misty telling her fans to stop over romanticising lifebonds and that they wern't everything we'd like them to be (example: think of vanyel's pain and state of unbalance and dependance after tylendel's death, or of the pain dirk and talia felt before thay accepted their bond. it doesn't seem an easy bond to bear.) also, i remember misty saying that lifebonded could never decide to leave each other nor could they ever decide to be unforgiving about an argument or situation. if i can find this letter i will try to remember to post the approprate quotes. -colette gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 15:53:40 -0800 From: gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Norma Gjuka) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Lifebonds Message-ID: <9509242244.AA03113-+AT+-baker> >>Somebody said, in one of the books, I think it might have been Talia in >>one of the Arrows books, that there was a theory that lifebonds occurred >>when there was someone with a strong Gift who was emotionally unstable. >>Evidence for this theory would be Talia&Dirk, and Keren&Sherill/Ylsa. My >>question, in the Vanyel&Stefen/Tylendel pairing, and the >>Firesong&An'desha pairing, who is the crazier partner? My other question >>is is this a valid theory. >> >I do seem to remember that theory being mentioned in one of the Arrows books. >If this is totally true though, how do you explain Mardic and Donni. There >was never any indication that either of them were anything but emotionally >stable, sensible people. yes, but we only met them after they had been together for sometime and had accepted their lifebond. i don't remember being told much about their pasts except for their prior occupations. notice that by the time the magewinds books are happening, talia and dirk seem stable as well. to me this implies that the standard would hold true, but who knows. gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 18:33:18 -0700 From: wdjpej-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (William Jones ) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Older Chosen Message-ID: <199509250133.SAA15338-+AT+-ix3.ix.netcom.com> You wrote: > >A thought - > >If people are older than "kids" when Chosen, do they have to go thru the >whole Herald-Trainee, Gray-wearing, Collegium business? The books seem to >contradict themselves on this. > >In "Arrows of the Queen", Sherril tells Talia that Elcarth wasn't Chosen >until he was 20 and didn't get his Whites until 3 years later. But in "By >the Sword" Kero is Chosen on the battlefield, and apparently very shortly >thereafter is standing around on the roof of the palace musing about what to >do with her Company and the "special classes" the Heralds wanted her to take >- but she's wearing *Whites* while all this is going on (she's also >complaining about having to wear an "oh shoot me now" uniform). Teren was >Chosen after he was married and had kids - does anybody remember if the >books say anything about how long it took him to go thru the Collegium, or >if he even had to? > >Jeanne Hedge I think what determines wether or not an older chosen has to go thru training and ride circuit is how much training they have already had... Kero already knew everything that anyone at the Collegium could teach, and it would be pretty useless to send her on circuit... I think that it is all based on the individual... - Shadow-Lover ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 23:48:47 -0400 From: AnneR123-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Inherited gifts (spoiler for Winds books) Message-ID: <950924234847_28316273-+AT+-mail06.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 95-09-22 11:02:42 EDT, you write: >My understanding of just about anything is that it all comes from you genes >which you inherit from your parents and relatives. This should apply to >gifts as well. Look and Firesong and Elspeth; both are desendents of Vanyel >and are very powerful mages. It doesn't seem to be coincidence that these >things are carried on through the genes and its just that some generations >are more true than others. Some directly inherit blond hair and some just >carry it and give it to their children for example. >Eric Just wondering: Where did Talia get her Empathy? I'm pretty sure none of the books ever mention her having gifted relatives. That one's been bugging me for a while now. Anne R ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 13:44:46 +22303754 (EET) From: Wendy Hill To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Inherited gifts (spoiler for Winds books) Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Sep 1995, Mat Timmerman wrote: > From: "Helen M. Wilfehrt" > > Plus it was also mentioned that Nyara's children would carry the Mage Gift > > as part of their genetic legacy from Falconsbane. > > Does anyone else remember that Nyara was supposed to be sterile? In either > Winds 1 or 2, Falconsbane mentions being annoyed that Nyara turned out to > be sterile. Then, in WoChange, Wintermoon (I think) tells Skif that > ChangeChildren are either sterile or their kids are monsters. Now, was > this just forgotten, or did the combination of Need and the Star-Eyed fix > this? > Mat T. Yes, at one stage it was mentioned that Nyara didn't want children which was good as she couldn't have any. Then later, someone said since Nyara was based on a cat she was going to breed like one. Multiple births etc. (I can't give names or exact quotes. Sorry) Wendy ***************************************************************** _________________ T T T T T T T T Wendy Hill I I I I I I I I W.Hill-+AT+-nla.gov.au I I I I I I I I National Library of Australia T T T T T T T T Phone: +61 06 262 1645 =================== Fax: +61 06 273 1180 ***************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 00:15:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Adrienne York To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: Another Companion Thought Message-ID: ;];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];] ;] Adrienne York-Minor ;] ;] "May your life be interesting" potent Shin'a'in curse ;] ;] ayork-+AT+-simons-rock.edu ;] ;];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];] On Thu, 21 Sep 1995, Thomas, Daria wrote: > > Another thought along these lines--what happens to lifebonded Heralds? If > they come back as Companions, wouldn't they have to kind of stick together? > Assuming that they'd both reincarnate at about the same time, which I think > is reasonable. Then they would each have another bond besides the lifebond. > Would this be enough to keep them from willing themselves to death if one > died? I mean, we never hear about one Companion being totally wrecked by > another's death. Do lifebonded couples just not come back as Companions? > Other thoughts? > -Daria > ---------- > From: Mat Timmerman > > >With all the talk about Herald/Companion reincarnation, I began to wonder > >about something. When a Herald or Companion is reincarnated, what happens > >to their previous bond? I mean, we've seen that it can last after death > >with Van & Yfandes. Maybe the two are always reborn around the same > >time, and that's what causes the bonds between the Companions? > > > >Thoughts on the matter, anyone, > > > >Mat T. > I would think it had something to do with the strength of the bond. And whether there was any unfinished business between them. And anyway, as Tylendel proved, they could come back as people, rather than as Companions. Then, would there be that big a problem? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 95 21:38:49 -0700 From: steph-+AT+-escher.mbi.ucla.edu (Stephanie Wukovitz) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: I'm back! Message-ID: <9509250438.AA27527-+AT+-escher.mbi.ucla.edu> I'm sure someone else will send out mail before me, but Joe from Wheels of Fire and Chrome Circle does *so* have a special power: He's at least a telepath and maybe more (I forget at the moment). He keeps his ability from his father because he's afraid of being targeted... :) Back to work... -Stephanie who really liked Space: Above and Beyond...if you liked Heinlein, esp. early Heinlein, check it out...hopefully it'll stay on the air and also not compete with Babylon 5 though I have to say I may end up liking this show a *little* better...which has nothing to do with Misty so I'll shush now :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 01:58:22 EDT From: WXAV85D-+AT+-prodigy.com (MR DAVID W BAHRKE) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Tylendal Message-ID: <013.01835969.WXAV85D-+AT+-prodigy.com> Has anyone else noticed that Tylendal states on page 143 in Magic's Pawn that he had all his channels blasted open and that is the reason for his extraordinary number of gifts? I find this fact pretty interesting when you take into account what happened to Vanyel. I think that the reason Vanyel's channels got blasted open was that he had to take 'Lendal's place in the structure of things. The other object of interest that I wanted to comment on was the relationship between Tylendal and Gala. Tylendal specifically states that the relationship between him and Gala was one of inferior to superior. Does this strike anyone as unusual? I certainly do! I have to wander if his bond to Gala was not as strong as everyone thought. The simple fact that he could hide the full extent of the bond between him and Staven I think effectively points this out. Well what do you all think? I know that Ned will have comments to make( yes I can give page numbers, hehehehe-evil laugh ). Is were I am supposed to put on my flame/dart proof suit? Zhai'Helleva, David WXAV85D-+AT+-PRODIGY.COM PROUD TO BE ME! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 08:14:01 +0100 From: Ina Faye-Lund To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Older Chosen Message-ID: <199509250714.13269.gjalp.ifi.uio.no-+AT+-ifi.uio.no> On Sat, 23 Sep 1995 19:27:44 +0100, Jeanne Hedge said: > In "Arrows of the Queen", Sherril tells Talia that Elcarth wasn't > Chosen until he was 20 and didn't get his Whites until 3 years > later. But in "By the Sword" Kero is Chosen on the battlefield, and > apparently very shortly thereafter is standing around on the roof of > the palace musing about what to do with her Company and the "special > classes" the Heralds wanted her to take - but she's wearing *Whites* > while all this is going on (she's also complaining about having to > wear an "oh shoot me now" uniform). - Well, what kind of training do the Heralds-in-training get? - Some is weapontraining. How much of that does Kero need? - Then, there is Religion. I suppose Kero knows about some of the beliefs from her time as Captain for the Skybolts. - Geography, well, she certainly knows a lot of that stuff. My point: Kero has some teaching from Tarma, and more from the Skybolts. Much of what is taught, she knows. Even etiquette, remember her background. She can read, and most important of all; why is it that the Heralds-in-Training need the courses? Mostly, I think, to teach them about reality. Most of what is taught, that we hear about, is why things are as they are, how people will react to them, and stuff like that. Remember, Kero _knows_ about people. Kero _knows_ what war is about. She knows a lot of what the Heralds learn. She wouldn't _need_ that much training. Also, much of the time is spent learning to use the Gifts. Kero _has_ used it for some time, she _knows_ what it is all about, even if she won't feel comfortable with it. She wouldn't need the circuit-riding, since she knows what she can be taught already, perhaps except from being a Herald. But, also, the Heralds _need_ her where she is. -- IFL Elen síla lümenn' omentielvo ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 11:16:20 EET DST From: "Tarja Rainio" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: LHM(SPOILER) Message-ID: <115FDF3ABF-+AT+-katk.helsinki.fi> Ina Faye-Lund wrote: >Don't remember, but wasn't that about Rolan having gone out to search >three weeks ago, and people thinking that was a long time? Actually, he was away for something like two months. (Just re-reading the series - all of them =).) Tarja ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 05:20:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Vivian Choh To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Lifebonds Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Sep 1995, Jennifer S. Broekman wrote: (RE: lifebonded pairs) > Firesong and An'desha are not actually a lifebonded pair. Other pairs > for your consideration: Selenay/Daren, Kerowyn/Eldan, Kethry/Jadrek, > Elspeth the Peacemaker/Bard whatshisname :-), Shavri/Randale, > Jisa/Treven, Donni/Mardic, Starwind/Moondance... (In all possible > cases, I've put the woman first, not necessarily the one I consider > less stable...) I know that Selenay and Daren and supposed to be lifebonded, and that one of the pair is supposed to be emotionally unstable, but I'm not sure that the S/D pair should really apply....I tend to see the S/D lifebonding as another Misty contradiction/tie-up-loose-ends kinda thing....I know that S messed up with her first hubby, but she recovered quite nicely after a while and D seems to be your ordinary average guy... Do any of you really see either of them as emotionally unstable? Re: Kero/Eldan pairing...Is this really a lifebonded pair? I thought I read the FAQs somewhere (maybe on the Web pages somewhere?) that K/E were NOT). I'm also not sure about Keth and Jadrek (although I have no evidence for this...). (Dunno about the characters in the LHM series). I know this is wrong, but I always saw the lifebonded pair as a love-at-first-sight kinda thing. (Probably because of the Daren/Selenay pair, where they were both spellbound by each other (remember the situation just prior to the quote "Like what you see?"?). And wasn't Sherrill also kinda awestruck (for lack of a better word) by/with Keren (something her feeling awkward with Keren/Ylsa before Ylsa's death?? - sorry, it's hazy, haven't read TLHM in years now...). I also forget Talia's situation, by wasn't there something funny with her and Dirk when she first met him, too? Vivian Choh bi189-+AT+-torfree.net v.choh-+AT+-utoronto.ca "I am all that I claim to be. I simply have not claimed all that I am." - M. Lackey, "Oathbreakers" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 12:42:49 +0100 From: mel (Melanie Dymond Harper) To: mercedes-lackey Subject: Di Tregarde bookx: info from Tor Message-ID: <9509251142.AA02078-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk> For those of you who don't have access to, or don't follow, alt.books.m-lackey, the following may be of interest: >From pnh-+AT+-tor.com Mon Sep 25 12:40:57 BST 1995 Article: 3888 of alt.books.m-lackey Path: news.herald.co.uk!news.demon.co.uk!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!panix!not-for-mail From: pnh-+AT+-tor.com (P Nielsen Hayden) Newsgroups: alt.books.m-lackey Subject: Re: Di Tregarde Date: 22 Sep 1995 23:54:27 -0400 Organization: fwa Lines: 63 Sender: pnh-+AT+-panix.com Message-ID: <4400dj$2jj-+AT+-panix2.panix.com> References: <43i76j$82i-+AT+-falcon.ns.net> <43ie9b$hl9-+AT+-shiva.usa.net> <43jv1u$ncd-+AT+-news1.databank.com> <43lo28$o5e-+AT+-falcon.ns.net> <43udpd$f7o-+AT+-news.iag.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com phillip.murphy-+AT+-swcbbs.com writes: >Just received this month's copy of the "Queen's Own" newsletter >and for those of you that don't get it here is some info that >may depress you: The "Diana Tregarde" novels have not sold as >well as Misty's other novels and there may not be any new novels >in this series. The tidbit ends by asking everyone to buy, buy, >buy!! And smtc361-+AT+-uoft02.utoledo.edu writes: >Yeah . . . in the Firebird website it says that Tor is thinking >about publishing them, but since the first three haven't been >selling, they aren't thinking too hard. I am not Mercedes Lackey's Tor editor, but I asked Melissa Ann Singer -- who is -- for the lowdown on this. She says it's not true: far from not wanting to continue the series, we have another Diana Tregarde book under contract, with delivery slated for after the book Misty is currently writing for us. Melissa further remarks that strange rumors about the Tregarde series have been percolating around for some years now; we get a steady stream of calls >from people who appear to believe as an article of faith that we've ordered Mercedes Lackey not to write any more Tregarde novels, or even better, from people who believe we have unpublished Tregarde material in hand which we're suppressing. In fact we like the series fine, and hope to continue publishing it. Following the above posts, vjean-+AT+-ns.net wrote: >Someone posted the snail mail address [for Tor Books] here not >long ago, and made the point that they don't seem to pay much >attention to e-mail...maybe whomever had the address will post >it again....?????? And dennison-+AT+-iag.net replied: >I have just been to the web site and posted in their "comments." >I did not write down the URL, but I have the address!! >pnh-+AT+-tor.com >All right you Diana Tregarde fans, get to it! To whicj vjean-+AT+-ns.net responded: >I know they don't pay as much attention to e-mail as they do >snail-mail, but thank you for finding that and posting it! Just as a point of information, "pnh-+AT+-tor.com" is not the email address for Tor Books, but rather of a particular individual, namely me. I don't mind having my mailbox suddenly fill up with angry letters from strangers who all appear to have decided to believe a false rumor about an author I don't edit, even when some of them are quite rude. I _do_ mind the imputation that I don't answer my email. Perhaps vjean-+AT+-ns.net was one of the dozens of people who regular write to me from college accounts with usernames like "username," people who never hear back >from me because my response is (unsurprisingly) bounced? This happens at least once a day... :) ----- Patrick Nielsen Hayden : senior editor, Tor Books : pnh-+AT+-tor.com http://www.panix.com/~pnh : http://www.tor.com : opinions mine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 16:14:48 EET DST From: "Tarja Rainio" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Ghost's name Message-ID: <16706340BB-+AT+-katk.helsinki.fi> I remember there was discussion some time ago about the Tayledras sounding name of this Companion - I guess it was about the linguistics, but I just wanted to point out one thing. I've just reread the series and noticed that Leshya (sp?) is not what he calls himself, but what *Yfandes* calls him and she would understand Tayledras. This is in Magic's Promise, she says something like: I call him Ghost, because he can hardly be seen and he acts like one (bad paraphrase, but I don't have the book with me... =)). There is no mention of a real name he might have. He was probably so involved in MindHealing Tashir, that he didn't especially care what other people would call him, so I guess the name just stuck. my 2,- FIM Tarja ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 08:20:31 -0500 (CDT) From: "Cecile S. Ueltschey" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Vrondi/Web (was: RE: Wacky Monarch's Own Theory) Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Sep 1995, Mat Timmerman wrote: Snip, snip > > IIRC, somewhere, Vanyel says that he never finished the Vrondi spell. He > *wanted* to make them inform Herald-mages of other mages, but he never got to > do that part. He only had time to make them detect and bug _every_ mage > in Valdemar. The part about recognition of Herald-mages was never competed. > Now _that_ makes sense. Besides, after Vanyel, there _weren't_ any more H-Ms. Thanks, Mat! Cecile ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 10:44:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Gyrfalcon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Vrondi/Web (was: RE: Wacky Monarch's Own Theory) Message-ID: > First off, I'm sure this is a FAQ, but please bear with me, as I > figured out all the other abbreviations on my own: what the devil is > "IIRC"? IIRC, --> If I Remember Correctly. Your welcome, --Gyrfalcon =======================msowers-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu=================== Magic still exists. We have only to reach out and touch it, it is a part of the very fabric of the world. When our belief of magic completely dies this universe shall die. Because that magic; Hope, Dreams, Love, Beauty, Wonder, Belief, and Discovery are what make us a people. They are all part of a great Art whose workings are still a mystery but whose applications can be seen every day. If we ever lose the Art mankind shall not last the day. Let the magic that is in us roam free in our work, play, in each other, and most of all in ourselves. Let it roam free or it will die. ============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 15:48:49 +0100 From: Ina Faye-Lund To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Lifebonds Message-ID: <199509251448.7568.gjalp.ifi.uio.no-+AT+-ifi.uio.no> [Anne Cross] > Kethry and Jadrek weren't lifebonded. They were just madly in love. > Remember, Jadrek's been dead for some time before Kero was born, but > Kethry's still around, and there's no indication she went mad with grief > the way Keren did when Ysla died. Well, first, there was no sign that Keren had gone mad some 20 years after the incident either, was it? Also, when one part of a lifebonded couple dies, the other part usually dies too, but remember, Keth could have other ties. Her bond to Tarma, and her bond to Need. I don't say they were, I just say they could have been. -- IFL Elen síla lümenn' omentielvo ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 12:13:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Rosario Holsen-Baker To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Wacky Monarch's Own Theory Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Sep 1995, David K. Storrs wrote: > > > >Remember, Hulda didn't use magic when she was in Valdemar, so that the > >Vrondi wouldn't catch her. But Quenten and Kethry did and both of them > >got very uncomfortable. Kethry mentions it later. > > > > Anne Cross > > juniper-+AT+-fledge.watson.com > > http://fledge.watson.com/~juniper > > > Wasn't Hulda consistently using illusion to maintain a changed > appearance? They never specifically SAY that the disguise is magical, so it > could have been physical...or it might be that MAINTAINING magic that was > cast outside Valdemar won't attract vrondi (i.e., it is the ritual of > starting a spell that they notice, not the flow of magic). > > Dave She could have been using a strange brand of mindmagic. Remember in Oathbound, V&H, there was the bandit who was using his rudimentary mind magic skills to cast an illusion of someone the merchants could trust. Hulda could have been using something like the same thing. I also recall (I could be wrong) something in either Storm Warning or the Arrows books that said she never used actual magic while she was in Valdemar. Or I could just be slightly out of it from getting less than 5 hours of sleep last night. --Jaguar-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 12:50:26 -0600 (CST) From: Hank Cannon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Bad News for Diana Tregarde fans Message-ID: On Sat, 23 Sep 1995, Jennifer S. Broekman wrote: > Marina S Y Chong wrote: > >IMO part of the problem is that the books tend to find themselves in > >the Horror sections of bookshops instead of Fantasy, and ML is not > >known as a writer of horror tales. > > Also, I'm sure I'm not the only ML fan who is most definitely not a > horror fan. I haven't read any of the Di Tregarde books for this > reason. (I've only ever read one book which I consider horror, and > that was only because the first few in the series were really good and > *not* horror (Tanya Huff's Blood series).) The Diana Tregarde books aren't horror. They are labeled as such because they involve supernatural activity in modern times. Since there aren't any elves or dwarfs, only vampires, Gaki, and other "creatures of the night" publishers who don't know better throw the Di books into the horror category instead of fantasy. The Di books are extremely exciting. If you enjoyed any of the Valdemar or Oathbound novels you will enjoy the Diana Tregarde books. Phoenixfire Nscan2659-+AT+-alpha.nsula.edu May your life be interesting. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 16:34:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Adrienne York To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Inherited gifts (spoiler for Winds books) Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Sep 1995, Mat Timmerman wrote: > From: "Helen M. Wilfehrt" > > lots snipped... > > > Plus it was also mentioned that Nyara's children would carry the Mage Gift > > as part of their genetic legacy from Falconsbane. > > > Does anyone else remember that Nyara was supposed to be sterile? In either > Winds 1 or 2, Falconsbane mentions being annoyed that Nyara turned out to > be sterile. Then, in WoChange, Wintermoon (I think) tells Skif that > ChangeChildren are either sterile or their kids are monsters. Now, was > this just forgotten, or did the combination of Need and the Star-Eyed fix > this? Yeah, I thought she was, too. Although I would guess Need might try to fix that, thinking Nyara might want to have children one day. But Nyara doesn't like children, and if she is fertile again, pregnancy prevention is known in Valdemar (see Arrows 1), and she doesn't have to have them anyway. ;];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];] ;] Adrienne York-Minor ;] ;] "May your life be interesting" potent Shin'a'in curse ;] ;] ayork-+AT+-simons-rock.edu ;] ;];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 13:36:23 -0700 From: wenaus-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (Sigmund R. Barckhaus ) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: FS: Lackey Books in Hardcover Message-ID: <199509252036.NAA11737-+AT+-ix3.ix.netcom.com> You wrote: > >LACKEY HARDCOVERS FOR SALE: FIRST COME, FIRST SERVED >All are Hardcover (with dust jacket) US editions, in excellent condition >(read once). I am not a dealer, these are from my personal collection. >(for some reason, my local library isn't interested) > >Each book has a price (in $US) and shipping is extra. If you are >interested, please reply via private e-mail (NOT by this Mailing List - we >don't want to bore people now, do we? ;-)) to jhedge-+AT+-water.waterw.com > >Thanks for your time, >Jeanne > >************* >IF I PAY THEE NOT IN GOLD (by Piers Anthony and Mercedes Lackey) >ISBN 0-671-72175-5 >First Printing, July 1993 >Baen Books, 398 Pages >$10.00 > >THE EAGLE & THE NIGHTINGALES (Bardic Voices, Book III) >ISBN 0-671-87636-8 >First Printing, January 1995 >Baen Books, 410 Pages >$15.00 > >THE WHITE GRYPHON >ISBN 0-88677-631-7 >First Printing, April 1995 >DAW Books, 305 Pages >$15.00 > >STORM RISING >ISBN 0-88677-660-0 >First Printing, September 1995 >DAW Books, 384 Pages >$15.00 > >Jeanne Hedge > >jhedge-+AT+-water.waterw.com 75512.1214-+AT+-compuserve.com >================================================================ >"Water, water everywhere, nor any drop to drink..." > --Samuel Taylor Coleridge, 'The Rime of the Ancient Mariner' > > Has anyone asked about buying Storm Rising yet? If not, I am almost definately interested in buying it from you. Zhai'helleva, Ice ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 16:38:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Adrienne York To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: LHM(SPOILER) Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Sep 1995, Cecile S. Ueltschey wrote: > On Thu, 21 Sep 1995, Adrienne York wrote: > > On Wed, 20 Sep 1995, Cecile S. Ueltschey wrote: snip of conversation on the nature of what people thought the nature of Gift testing was. > > > I think I didn't explain myself well. What I meant was, not that the > testing included any moral or ethical judgement, but that if someone with > Mage-Gift was found that they could be trained. Remember, an untrained > Mage-Gift can be *dangerous* to the Gifted and the people around them. > Also, they are more *vulnerable* to less-than-ethical Mages (e.g. > Quentin's warnings to Skif and Elspeth). The testing (I think) was both to > discover those with Mage-Gift so that they could be trained, whether or > not they eventually were Chosen as Heralds, but to *protect* them from > people who might take advantage of them. Is that better? > > Cecile > Much. ;];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];] ;] Adrienne York-Minor ;] ;] "May your life be interesting" potent Shin'a'in curse ;] ;] ayork-+AT+-simons-rock.edu ;] ;];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 16:48:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Adrienne York To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Wacky Monarch's Own Theory Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Sep 1995, David K. Storrs wrote: > > > >Remember, Hulda didn't use magic when she was in Valdemar, so that the > >Vrondi wouldn't catch her. But Quenten and Kethry did and both of them > >got very uncomfortable. Kethry mentions it later. > > > > Anne Cross > > juniper-+AT+-fledge.watson.com > > http://fledge.watson.com/~juniper > > > Wasn't Hulda consistently using illusion to maintain a changed > appearance? They never specifically SAY that the disguise is magical, so it > could have been physical...or it might be that MAINTAINING magic that was > cast outside Valdemar won't attract vrondi (i.e., it is the ritual of > starting a spell that they notice, not the flow of magic). > > Dave > Uh, Dave? When did Hulda acquire a disguise? The only people who would have known she wasn't the *right* Hulda was Selenay's jerk husband, and he was busy plotting to kill his wife. When would he have had time to check to make absolutely sure he had the correct Hulda. Noone else in Valdemar would have seen the Hulda that was sent for, so Hulda had no need of disguise. She wouldn't even have to disguise her mage-gift, because no one in Valdemar but the Companions, whom she wouldn't let near her, even remembered what it looked like. What disguise, darlin'? ;];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];] ;] Adrienne York-Minor ;] ;] "May your life be interesting" potent Shin'a'in curse ;] ;] ayork-+AT+-simons-rock.edu ;] ;];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 15:51:38 -0500 (CDT) From: "Cecile S. Ueltschey" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Older Chosen Message-ID: And what about Rubrick??? (There, that's all I'll say so this isn't a SW spoiler!) Seriously, tho...what happens when someone older gets Chosen? Not much is said about their dependents? Is there some kind of "Herald's Village" where the families move to, or perhaps the Herald's are assigned to circuits that pass near their homes? (No, that doesn't make sense when I think about Talia's training, hmmmm) Or do Companions choose adults that _can_ leave those other responsibilities? Would you be willing to leave your wife/husband/lover/children just because some white "horse" whispered into your mind?? What about Heralds that marry after they are Heralds (other than life-bonded or Herald-Herald relationships)? Cecile (well, it is Monday, after all, folks? More questions than answers, I'm afraid ;-/) ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 156 *********************************