MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 158 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: SR and Firesong (SPOILER) by Gyrfalcon 2) Re: Wacky Monarch's Own Theory by "Jennifer S. Broekman" 3) Re: Joe's Abilities (was RE: I'm back!) by "Jennifer S. Broekman" 4) Favorite One-liners by "Jennifer S. Broekman" 5) Re: Deities & Free will. Was: Re: Yfandes (WAS)Re: SR tied into the LHM threa... by EDooley489-+AT+-aol.com 6) Re: Lifebonds by "Kristin A. Ruhle" 7) Re: Tylendal by Adrienne York 8) Re: Inherited gifts (spoiler for Winds books) by "Kristin A. Ruhle" 9) A couple of things. by Ina Faye-Lund 10) Re: Older Chosen by jhedge-+AT+-waterw.com (Jeanne Hedge) 11) Re: Wacky Monarch's Own Theory by Ina Faye-Lund 12) Re: Deities & Free will. Was: Re: Yfandes (WAS)Re: SR tied by Alan Fleming 13) New things on the web by Ian MacDonald 14) RE: LHM(SPOILER) by Catherine Osborne 15) Re: Bad News for Diana Tregarde fans by "Sandy Haas" 16) Re: Di Tregarde bookx: info from Tor by "Sandy Haas" 17) Re: Older Chosen by "Sandy Haas" 18) RE: LHM(SPOILER) by s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu 19) Re: Inherited gifts (spoiler for Winds books) by Gyrfalcon 20) Re: Wacky Monarch's Own Theory by s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu 21) RE: Another Companion Thought by s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu 22) Re: Older Chosen by s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu 23) Re: Older Chosen by steph-+AT+-escher.mbi.ucla.edu (Stephanie Wukovitz) 24) Re: Wacky Monarch's Own Theory by dstorrs-+AT+-crossover.com (David K. Storrs) 25) Re: Inherited gifts (spoiler for Winds books) by "Cecile S. Ueltschey" 26) Re: Lifebonds by "Cecile S. Ueltschey" 27) Re: Joe's Abilities (was RE: I'm back!) by Mat Timmerman ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 22:04:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Gyrfalcon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: SR and Firesong (SPOILER) Message-ID: I have one and only one thing to say. Read And Find Out. :) --Gyrfalcon =======================msowers-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu=================== Magic still exists. We have only to reach out and touch it, it is a part of the very fabric of the world. When our belief of magic completely dies this universe shall die. Because that magic; Hope, Dreams, Love, Beauty, Wonder, Belief, and Discovery are what make us a people. They are all part of a great Art whose workings are still a mystery but whose applications can be seen every day. If we ever lose the Art mankind shall not last the day. Let the magic that is in us roam free in our work, play, in each other, and most of all in ourselves. Let it roam free or it will die. ============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 23:10:13 -0400 From: "Jennifer S. Broekman" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Wacky Monarch's Own Theory Message-ID: <199509270310.XAA04922-+AT+-sparky.phast.umass.edu> David K. Storrs wrote: [someone wrote:] >> What I want to know is why the vrondi never came near the >>Companions, if they were using mage energy so much they were bleached >>white at birth? Well, given that the vrondi supposedly know the extent of Valdemar from the routes of the circuit Heralds, maybe the vrondi *do* hang out around the Companions. Not pestering them, they're not that dumb. I imagine that once a vrondi was given the countersign by the Companion that it wouldn't forget immediately and would likely tell its friends. If it decided to hang out with the Companion, it wouldn't forget for as long as the Companion didn't get into situations that frightened it off. This would make a handy explanation for why vrondi are always around for a Truth Spell when a Herald needs one, even if the Herald isn't a Mage, but would make it difficult to explain how Kethry got away without being bothered. > I can think of two reasons, and you can decide which you like: > 1) the vrondi recognize the Companions as fellow > spirit creatures, and Van only asked them to look > for human(oid) mages > 2) what the Companions do with Mage energy is not exactly > what a mage does with it...they metabolize it, > rather than channeling it, or something like that. Or 3) the Companions give the countersign when asked, and vrondi are sufficiently gossipy creatures that they don't ask any given Companion more than once in a while. (About tapping a mage or Companion in the middle of a firefight, I get the distinct feeling that the vrondi have a strong sense of self-preservation, and would wait until after the firefight to ask their questions.) -jenneke I *am* family. How could I not have family values? Only Boys Accepting Feminism Get Kissed Meaningfully -- Geoff Marcy The only unnatural sexual act is that which you cannot perform. -Alfred Kinsey broekman-+AT+-sparky.phast.umass.edu | http://www-astro.phast.umass.edu/gs/jenn.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 23:16:24 -0400 From: "Jennifer S. Broekman" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Joe's Abilities (was RE: I'm back!) Message-ID: <199509270316.XAA04940-+AT+-sparky.phast.umass.edu> Mat Timmerman wrote: >From: "Jennifer S. Broekman" >>Rosario Holsen-Baker wrote: >>> Hey, here's a question for you. Joe had to have been made to see >>>at least a few of the meetings. How come the Salamander didn't decide he >>>was a juicy target and try to exploit the boy's powers or something? >>Joe doesn't have any powers, other than being a very well trained >>martial artist and marksman. Any magic he learns is going to be of >>the trained-will type, not the talent type. >Nope, Joe _does_ have a psi ability (I almost called it a Gift - wrong >series, huh :) ). Joe is a telepath (no, not a Mindspeaker :). Seeing >as the only SERRA book I own is _Chrome Circle_ (libraries are a wonderful >thing ), and it's at home, I can't look for quotes. I'd forgotten about that, but isn't that ability of the single-person or small-group mind-to-mind variety, not the projecting to a mob variety? The former wouldn't do the Salamander much good in trying to control the cult... >By the way, why does everyone seem to be having trouble remembering >the name of _Chrome Circle_ lately. I haven't any idea why _Chrome Circle_ keeps being referred to as "Burning Chrome" or "Burning Circle", but it's driving me batty.:-) >The only one i remember at the >moment is "Burning Circle" - whoever wrote that one (sorry, can't remember >who) must _really_ want Di to tie in... :) But Di already does tie in.:-) Aside from the reference in _Chrome Circle_ to the author he met, I have the feeling that the witch whose fight with a sorceress introduced Tannim to the world of magic could easily be Di or one of her friends. And I picked up a reference to Guardians in _Born to Run_ today... -jenneke I *am* family. How could I not have family values? Only Boys Accepting Feminism Get Kissed Meaningfully -- Geoff Marcy The only unnatural sexual act is that which you cannot perform. -Alfred Kinsey broekman-+AT+-sparky.phast.umass.edu | http://www-astro.phast.umass.edu/gs/jenn.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 23:25:46 -0400 From: "Jennifer S. Broekman" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Favorite One-liners Message-ID: <199509270325.XAA05017-+AT+-sparky.phast.umass.edu> I was rereading _Born to Run_ today (because I've been too lazy to go out and but _When the Bough Breaks_ and _Wheels of Fire_, the ones I haven't reread recently), and I came across one of my all-time favorite one-liners in a Misty story: "Forget the Force. Trust in the spread of the gauge, Sam." Now, I'm sure that those of you who've read _Born to Run_ recently will recognize the quote, and I'm sure that all of you can come up with reasons why my sick and twisted mind thinks it's funny, but what I'm interested in is your favorite one-liners. Not inspirational speeches or amusing situations, just one-liners, from any Misty series, novel, or short story, including collaborations. Label 'em with the name of the story they're from, but you don't have to put any identifying situational details around them, so they shouldn't count as spoilers... -jenneke I *am* family. How could I not have family values? Only Boys Accepting Feminism Get Kissed Meaningfully -- Geoff Marcy The only unnatural sexual act is that which you cannot perform. -Alfred Kinsey broekman-+AT+-sparky.phast.umass.edu | http://www-astro.phast.umass.edu/gs/jenn.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 00:15:49 -0400 From: EDooley489-+AT+-aol.com To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Deities & Free will. Was: Re: Yfandes (WAS)Re: SR tied into the LHM threa... Message-ID: <950927001548_30283753-+AT+-mail04.mail.aol.com> Oops! It appears that I didn't explain myself accurately. I didn't mean that there was no free will at all with the gods interfering with people. I just meant that there were some things that needed to be done and so there was some manipulation done to insure that things happened that way. Look at Vanyel's dream, foresight of his death. He had that several times over the years. Now that doesn't mean he had to do it; there was always the choice to let people get hurt or killed instead of giving his life but he didn't choose to do that. The type of person he was made it unlikely that he would do that though. I just think that the deities have certain things they personally wouldn't like to see happen. The entire race that worships them killed or devastated. Like by mage storms so they sort of push some things or people into place to take care of things. The mages in the winds books wouldn't have let the storms continue if there was a way to stop them so many were brought together by something; circumstance if you will, to stop them. Wouldn't you say that sometimes circumstances push you along to something you may not have thought about or chosen before? Vanyel was such an important person and was so needed that someone would have had to be there. Not neccesarily him but someone was needed. Everyone has a choice to make in life. I just think that sometimes there is something trying to manipulate things. With Eddings it was a matter of the characters just realizing that something had to be done or happen for x to happen years later. They manipulated who was goign to marry who in many cases. Not that many of the people were unhappy but they still did it. With Misty's gods there is a different way of getting things done. Look at Karse and how the deity has taken over there! Hope that explained my idea a bit better! Eric:) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 22:04:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "Kristin A. Ruhle" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Lifebonds Message-ID: <199509270504.AA10859-+AT+-foxtrot.rahul.net> > > >Adrienne York wrote: > > somewhere i heard misty say that lifebonds were people who needed each > other to be stable and sane. i believe this was in an old letter to queen's > own but could be wrong. the drift of the letter seemed to be misty telling > her fans to stop over romanticising lifebonds and that they wern't > everything we'd like them to be (example: think of vanyel's pain and state > of unbalance and dependance after tylendel's death, or of the pain dirk and > talia felt before thay accepted their bond. it doesn't seem an easy bond to > bear.) also, i remember misty saying that lifebonded could never decide to > leave each other nor could they ever decide to be unforgiving about an > argument or situation. if i can find this letter i will try to remember to > post the approprate quotes. > I remember thaT one...even though my QO membership has lapsed. :( One of Misty's major points was that the stability lifebonds create is important not only to the pair but to people *around* them. She notes that the Deities may have a hand in it because the lifebond is important to the larger picture. Lifebonded also never can stay angry with one another for more than a few hours - if the grievance isn't COMPLETELY forgiven in that time, it's not a lifebond. Kristin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 01:06:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Adrienne York To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Tylendal Message-ID: On Sat, 23 Sep 1995, MR DAVID W BAHRKE wrote: >(snip) > The other thing that I was wandering about, is that 'Lendal clearly > states that his relationship with Gala is one of inferior to superior. > Is it just me or does this not seem like a normal relationship > between a herald and his/her companion? When you take that into > account with how he kept his still very much active bond with Staven > a secret, I wander if their bond was not as strong as it should have > been. Which leads me to my next question, could this have been part > of the reason why he completely snapped? This could also be part of > the reason that Gala cast him off. I wouldn't say that, but I can't > help but think of the story Skif told about what he did to that spy > and how Cymry helped him. > No, I don't think the bond was especially weak. I think Tylendel was never especially stable. First of all, there was the way his Gifts opened and the way he was treated for the next ?two? years. Next, there was the fact that he was shaych and the problems other people had dealing with that. 'Lendel also had troubles because he found his mother when she died from ?Black Angel? mushroom. And can anyone forget about, or stop wondering what happened with, the infamous Nevis. Last of all, every deep love relationship he'd been in which should have been a partnership was actually leader/follower. The dude was cracked when his twin died, and the reason no one caught it was because Savil, who acknowledged she was bad with people, was his mentor. ;];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];] ;] Adrienne York-Minor ;] ;] "There is no 'One, True Way'" Valdemaran Law Codes ;] ;] ayork-+AT+-simons-rock.edu ;] ;];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 22:11:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "Kristin A. Ruhle" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Inherited gifts (spoiler for Winds books) Message-ID: <199509270511.AA11282-+AT+-foxtrot.rahul.net> > > From: "Helen M. Wilfehrt" > > lots snipped... > > > Plus it was also mentioned that Nyara's children would carry the Mage Gift > > as part of their genetic legacy from Falconsbane. > > > Does anyone else remember that Nyara was supposed to be sterile? In either > Winds 1 or 2, Falconsbane mentions being annoyed that Nyara turned out to > be sterile. Then, in WoChange, Wintermoon (I think) tells Skif that > ChangeChildren are either sterile or their kids are monsters. Now, was > this just forgotten, or did the combination of Need and the Star-Eyed fix > this? > Hmm, I'll have to read the Winds series. The way I see it Falconsbane would have had every reason to try to make Nyara fertile so he could possess the body of one of her children or theirs. In Winds of Fury the issue is brought up that Falconsbane's spirit must be totally destroyed lest he haunt any children Nyara and Skif have. Once Need and the Goddess Healed her/turned her normal again they probably fixed the fertility problem too... Kristin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 08:16:27 +0100 From: Ina Faye-Lund To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: A couple of things. Message-ID: <199509270716.1456.gjalp.ifi.uio.no-+AT+-ifi.uio.no> Just finished "Winds of Fate" and did some discoveries. I have for some time argued against the Companions being reincarnated Heralds, but it seems I just found a proof that I was wrong. Well, first, I want to say that I haven't got my hands on the Storms, but in Winds of Fate, Gwena makes a mistake. She says something about Savil, I don't remember the lines, and the book is at home, but she says: "Sayv...Savil..." that is, she seems to have said something the others were not supposed to hear. Second, about Gala repudiating Tylendel; _if_ what Tylendel did was unforgivable, why would Cymry continue supporting Skif after what he did? The story mentioned in Winds of Change, about Skif going in and killing the one who tricked him while he was working as a border guide. The one he killed the way his friends were killed, you know the story? So, the conclusion is, Companions _are_ reincarnated Heralds, and Gala was the one who did a mistake. Sorry about being short, but I have to run....got a lesson now... -- IFL Elen síla lümenn' omentielvo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 04:06:06 -0400 From: jhedge-+AT+-waterw.com (Jeanne Hedge) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Older Chosen Message-ID: <9509270806.AA00558-+AT+-water.waterw.com> >Adrienne York wrote: >>On Sat, 23 Sep 1995, Jeanne Hedge wrote: >>>If people are older than "kids" when Chosen, do they have to go thru the >>>whole Herald-Trainee, Gray-wearing, Collegium business? The books seem to >>>contradict themselves on this. >>>In "Arrows of the Queen", Sherril tells Talia that Elcarth wasn't Chosen >>>until he was 20 and didn't get his Whites until 3 years later. But in "By > >It was Teren, wasn't it? "Arrows of the Queen", Talia's first meal, Talia asks Sherri how long it takes to become a Herald, and Sherri says (among other things): "...Elcarth wasn't Chosen until he was nearly twenty! And HAvens! Elcarth made up for being Chosen so late by being made full Herald in three years!" >>Those are two very different situations, I think. Wasn't Elcarth a >>fisherman? Not much of fisherman training would apply to what Herald's > >Teren, like Keren and Sherill, was from the lake district. I haven't >the foggiest idea where Elcarth came from. Later in the same book, Keren tells Talia that Talia seems like a little sister to her (and, among other things): "As close, maybe, as my twin - which is damned odd, considering that I've got a niece and nephew nearly your age." In another book (?) there's something about him having been married and working on the fishing boats when he was Chosen. But I don't remember anything about how old he was or how long it took him to get thru the Collegium. >>situation. My guess is, people are given as much training as they >>*need*, and if they pretty much know all they need to know, they're given >>a few supplemental classes. > >This sounds right to me. In Kero's case, they would've been almost >entirely in the history and laws of Valdemar. Geography, the >political situation, and courtly graces she already had down pat.:-) >Also, Kero might've been given Whites purely for expedience: her >expertise was needed immediately, and Selenay wouldn't've wanted >nitpickers to harp on her not having her Whites yet as a reason why >she shouldn't be listened to. That makes sense. I had gotten the impression that the bit with Kero in Whites at the end of BtS was only a week or so after the 2nd battle with Ancar's forces, and I couldn't understand how she could be in Whites already - especially when she said that she had to go to some special classes. Jeanne Jeanne Hedge jhedge-+AT+-water.waterw.com 75512.1214-+AT+-compuserve.com ================================================================ "Water, water everywhere, nor any drop to drink..." --Samuel Taylor Coleridge, 'The Rime of the Ancient Mariner' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 10:49:55 +0100 From: Ina Faye-Lund To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Wacky Monarch's Own Theory Message-ID: <199509270949.6717.gjalp.ifi.uio.no-+AT+-ifi.uio.no> On Mon, 25 Sep 1995 17:31:44 +0100, Rosario Holsen-Baker said: > She could have been using a strange brand of mindmagic. Remember > in Oathbound, V&H, there was the bandit who was using his rudimentary > mind magic skills to cast an illusion of someone the merchants could > trust. Hulda could have been using something like the same thing. I also > recall (I could be wrong) something in either Storm Warning or the Arrows > books that said she never used actual magic while she was in Valdemar. > Or I could just be slightly out of it from getting less than 5 > hours of sleep last night. Remember, when Talia is captured by them, Hulda or Ancar says something about the damn Heralds and their mind-magic. I don't think she had any kind of mindmagic. -- IFL Elen síla lümenn' omentielvo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 12:21:13 +0000 From: Alan Fleming To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Deities & Free will. Was: Re: Yfandes (WAS)Re: SR tied Message-ID: <9509270512.ab22596-+AT+-relay-2.mail.demon.net> Eric wrote: (two quick quotes snipped out) > happened that way. Look at Vanyel's dream, foresight of his death. > He had that several times over the years. > Vanyel was such an important person and was so needed that someone > would have had to be there. Quoting Vanyel as an example of what happens becase of godly nudging to me isn't exactly a good example. While it's perfectly clear in other cases, (Tarma, for instance) I don't see that Vanyel, or anyone from Valdemar for that matter, is a good example. First of all, while most of the other countries have active and rather proprietary gods, Valedemar does not have any single god. The people of Valdemar seem to have been brought up self-sufficient - both in terms of material goods and in attitude to work. I'd extrapolate from that that their spiritual needs are less because of this too. Makes poor pickings for a god who needs a bunch of worshippers, I'd think! Secondly, this kinda implies a tie between either mind- or mage-magic and a god - something which isn't at all clear from any book I've read so far.. (Oh, and first posting here. Thanks for listening, welcome to all, I'm glad to have found here :-) Alan. -- ______ \ __/___ Alan Fleming. \ \ / Work: Open to Offers :-) \/\ / Home: etrigan-+AT+-rhyme.demon.co.uk \/ and: etrigan-+AT+-cix.compulink.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 11:47:08 +0100 From: Ian MacDonald To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk, ism-+AT+-tardis.ed.ac.uk Subject: New things on the web Message-ID: <1792.199509271047-+AT+-k9.tardis.ed.ac.uk> Http://www.dcs.ed.ac.uk/home/ism/lackey/lackey.html I now have 2 new pages on this site 1) You can now submit reviews from the web pages. These reviews will be forwarded to Jerry to go on the Lackey Review Site 2) On Alt.books.m-lackey someone tried to collect email address of fans. You can now be added automatically to a list by connecting to the above pages This will allow people to mail you from the web pages or connect to your home page once you have added your details I hope you will all use these pages as I think there rather neat. They have just been implimented so they will be overhauled so they look pritty when I start attacking the rest of the pages. comments and suggestions as always to ism-+AT+-tardis.ed.ac.uk Thanks Ian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:40:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Osborne To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: LHM(SPOILER) Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Sep 1995, Melanie Dymond Harper wrote: > > Sorry if I'm being dense, but who the hell is Andre in connection with > > Vanyel? Isn't Andre in *other* books? > > He's the Healer, and (I get the impression) Savil's occasional lover. I have > a feeling he may be Andrew, rather than Andre, but the books aren't to hand. Oh, oh, *oh* you mean Andrel. Ex-lover, I believe. I\/ Catherine Osborne "I will not go down to I\/ Sundancer posterity talking bad I cosborne-+AT+-sidwell.edu grammar." I http://www.sidwell.edu/~cosborne/ --Disraeli ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 08:34:48 EDT From: "Sandy Haas" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Bad News for Diana Tregarde fans Message-ID: > Also, I'm sure I'm not the only ML fan who is most definitely not a > horror fan. > -jenneke Nope, there are at least two of us!! I have nightmares if I read that kind of stuff. I also don't read a lot of mystery novels because of my very bad habit of reading the last few pages first:} Sandy Haas ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 08:40:27 EDT From: "Sandy Haas" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Di Tregarde bookx: info from Tor Message-ID: > For those of you who don't have access to, or don't follow, alt.books.m-lackey, > the following may be of interest: OK--I am admitting failure. Every time I try to access "alt. books.m-lackey" I get a "host unknown" message. Am I doing something wrong?? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 08:43:36 EDT From: "Sandy Haas" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Older Chosen Message-ID: > This sounds right to me. In Kero's case, they would've been almost > entirely in the history and laws of Valdemar. Geography, the > political situation, and courtly graces she already had down pat.:-) > Also, Kero might've been given Whites purely for expedience: her > expertise was needed immediately, and Selenay wouldn't've wanted > nitpickers to harp on her not having her Whites yet as a reason why > she shouldn't be listened to. > > -jenneke > I have a hard time 1) picture Sayvil (?) Choosing someone that was NOT as mature as Kero was. I doubt a younger more insecure person could have handled Sayvil as well as Kero does. and 2) I doubt Kero would have put up with the whole 'grays' thing. I can see her saying something like "yea, right" if they tried to make her start at the beginning!! my .02 Sandy Haas ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 09:53:21 -0500 (EST) From: s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: LHM(SPOILER) Message-ID: i On Tue, 26 Sep 1995, Melanie Dymond Harper wrote: > > > Sorry if I'm being dense, but who the hell is Andre in connection with > > Vanyel? Isn't Andre in *other* books? > > He's the Healer, and (I get the impression) Savil's occasional lover. I have > a feeling he may be Andrew, rather than Andre, but the books aren't to hand. > > M. > wasnt that heakers name Andrel??? and what the heck is MOC????? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 09:56:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Gyrfalcon To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Inherited gifts (spoiler for Winds books) Message-ID: > Does anyone else remember that Nyara was supposed to be sterile? In either > Winds 1 or 2, Falconsbane mentions being annoyed that Nyara turned out to > be sterile. Then, in WoChange, Wintermoon (I think) tells Skif that > ChangeChildren are either sterile or their kids are monsters. Now, was > this just forgotten, or did the combination of Need and the Star-Eyed fix > this? Somebody mentions something about Nyara's fertility, about her being very, ah prolific when she decides to have children. IIRC almost all of the healers and mages (at least the female ones) have the ability to control their bodies to an extent. Prevent/encourage pregency, as in Snowlight (k'Treva mage, Brightstar's and Featherfire's mother) and Shavri with Jisa. Nyara may have been blocking that in order to defy Falconsbane. --Gyrfalcon =======================msowers-+AT+-menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu=================== Magic still exists. We have only to reach out and touch it, it is a part of the very fabric of the world. When our belief of magic completely dies this universe shall die. Because that magic; Hope, Dreams, Love, Beauty, Wonder, Belief, and Discovery are what make us a people. They are all part of a great Art whose workings are still a mystery but whose applications can be seen every day. If we ever lose the Art mankind shall not last the day. Let the magic that is in us roam free in our work, play, in each other, and most of all in ourselves. Let it roam free or it will die. ============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 10:06:49 -0500 (EST) From: s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Wacky Monarch's Own Theory Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Sep 1995, Helen M. Wilfehrt wrote: > >Something interesting is that only Heralds and Hawkbrothers are able to see > >vrondi, other mages can't. > > I always imagined that other mages just didn't pay attention to magic > elementals who didn't seem all that important or powerful, of course > depending upon their respective school. For example, eventhough Kethry > doesn't mention them, it would seem likely she could have known about them. > > > The Heralds/Herald-Mages and the Hawkbrothers almost seem to more likely > use more subtle forms of Magic while other schools are more likely to use > less subtle magics - it's seems in keeping that they would know of Vrondi. > Likewise I see the White Winds mages as similar in philosophy to these > other two. > > My 0.02 cents... > > Helen > > I cant remember which book it was in but i remember a comment that Quentin made about the locals "not minding the occasionalEARTH ELEMENTAL in the scullery" when compared to the money the mage school brought in...it was right before elspeth & he met for the 1st time. I think the other mages knew about them but never thought to use them n ways that the valdemarans did...afterall the heralds didnt teach their magic to outsiders so if they invented something the only way non-heralds would know about it was by stumbling onto it (just a theory) yvonne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 10:17:14 -0500 (EST) From: s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: RE: Another Companion Thought Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Sep 1995, Catherine Osborne wrote: > On Fri, 22 Sep 1995, Gyrfalcon wrote: > > > Could it be that each half comes back as a Herald-Companion set? I mean, > > we have see that heralds also come back as humans, as well as companions, > > so it doesn't seem unreasonable that if one would be reborn into a human, > > the other would choose him/her. which herald did this?????? (just wondering)> > I think that would put an inequality into the relationship, although good > idea... what about twin or else mated Companions? > > I\/ Catherine Osborne "I will not go down to > I\/ Sundancer posterity talking bad > I cosborne-+AT+-sidwell.edu grammar." > I http://www.sidwell.edu/~cosborne/ --Disraeli > > if they did this it might put strain on the relationship if it wasnt one of equals but if the more "stable" dominant partner came back as a companion and the weaker as the herald it would make sense....outside of tylendel tho i dont remember any bonded coming back but vanyel was still alive then so he had reason to come back ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 10:20:21 -0500 (EST) From: s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Older Chosen Message-ID: yeah i can see Kero doing just that...and if SAvil is the same as the herals she was a VERY strong willed woman and not likely to put up with much of the nonsense that the grays get into thus she would choose an older partner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 95 07:32:13 -0700 From: steph-+AT+-escher.mbi.ucla.edu (Stephanie Wukovitz) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Older Chosen Message-ID: <9509271432.AA01773-+AT+-escher.mbi.ucla.edu> Hmmm, Kero *would* need a few classes, even with all of her experience. since she was from Rethwellan, there were probably a lot of facts about Valdemar and Valdemaren customs of which she was not aware. I think those would be important for any Herald to learn, although it is true that since Kero probably didn't have to ride circuit, the customs might be slightly less important. As far as Geography goes, she probably needed more than what she had, from the unique perspective of people who live there...useful to a strategist... I'm incoherent today, so don't mind me. Birthday and all, getting old, etc. as time goes on, fewer and fewer book characters will be easy to identify with, and it's sort of depressing (my dad had a real problem with that when he turned 30...I'm 27 and getting that feeling already). Fiance is turning 30 and I think I'm picking up his mood . -Stephanie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 09:33:53 -0400 From: dstorrs-+AT+-crossover.com (David K. Storrs) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Wacky Monarch's Own Theory Message-ID: <199509271333.JAA14695-+AT+-prague.crossover.com> >On Fri, 22 Sep 1995, David K. Storrs wrote: >> Wasn't Hulda consistently using illusion to maintain a changed >> appearance? They never specifically SAY that the disguise is magical, so it >> could have been physical...or it might be that MAINTAINING magic that was >> cast outside Valdemar won't attract vrondi (i.e., it is the ritual of >> starting a spell that they notice, not the flow of magic). >> >> Dave >> >Uh, Dave? When did Hulda acquire a disguise? The only people who would >have known she wasn't the *right* Hulda was Selenay's jerk husband, and >he was busy plotting to kill his wife. When would he have had time to >check to make absolutely sure he had the correct Hulda. Noone else in >Valdemar would have seen the Hulda that was sent for, so Hulda had no >need of disguise. She wouldn't even have to disguise her mage-gift, >because no one in Valdemar but the Companions, whom she wouldn't let near >her, even remembered what it looked like. >What disguise, darlin'? > >;];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];] >;] Adrienne York-Minor ;] >;] "May your life be interesting" potent Shin'a'in curse ;] >;] ayork-+AT+-simons-rock.edu ;] >;];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];];] > DOH! *smack forehead* :> Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 11:12:47 -0500 (CDT) From: "Cecile S. Ueltschey" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Inherited gifts (spoiler for Winds books) Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Sep 1995, Kristin A. Ruhle wrote: > > > > From: "Helen M. Wilfehrt" > > > > lots snipped... > > > > > Plus it was also mentioned that Nyara's children would carry the Mage Gift > > > as part of their genetic legacy from Falconsbane. > > > > > > Does anyone else remember that Nyara was supposed to be sterile? In either > > Winds 1 or 2, Falconsbane mentions being annoyed that Nyara turned out to > > be sterile. Then, in WoChange, Wintermoon (I think) tells Skif that > > ChangeChildren are either sterile or their kids are monsters. Now, was > > this just forgotten, or did the combination of Need and the Star-Eyed fix > > this? > > > Hmm, I'll have to read the Winds series. The way I see it Falconsbane > would have had every reason to try to make Nyara fertile so he could > possess the body of one of her children or theirs. In Winds of Fury the > issue is brought up that Falconsbane's spirit must be totally destroyed > lest he haunt any children Nyara and Skif have. Once Need and the Goddess > Healed her/turned her normal again they probably fixed the fertility > problem too... > > Kristin > I think restoring her to a more human state by the Star-Eyed and Need included the ability to bear children, considering Nyara and Skif were pretty inseparable by the time the Avatars got to her. I don't remember the part about Falconsbane discovering her to be sterile (and I just re-read those not long ago!), I do remember Wintermoom and Skif's discussion. Wintermoon was pointing out the instances _that he knew of_ to prepare Skif for the many difficulties that they would have to face. He wouldn't have know _specifically_ Nyara's case in that regard. Cecile ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 11:17:53 -0500 (CDT) From: "Cecile S. Ueltschey" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Lifebonds Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Sep 1995, Kristin A. Ruhle wrote: > >(Adrienne's comments on lifebonds snipped) > I remember thaT one...even though my QO membership has lapsed. :( One of > Misty's major points was that the stability lifebonds create is important > not only to the pair but to people *around* them. She notes that the > Deities may have a hand in it because the lifebond is important to the > larger picture. > > Lifebonded also never can stay angry with one another for more than a few > hours - if the grievance isn't COMPLETELY forgiven in that time, it's not > a lifebond. > So perhaps, Elspeth and Darkwind could be a life-bond (previous discussions notwithstanding) in that through her, Darkwind re-learned his "magics" and learned new applications AND through him, Elspeth became a little more "mellow" and easier to work with as well as learning to use her Gift? All for the good of Valdemar, the Vales and Velgarth? Not to re-open an old thread, but there does seem to be more than "good friends and working partnership" involved between them. And they did patch up their early differences rather quickly, as I recall....hmmmm. Cecile ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 12:19:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat Timmerman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Joe's Abilities (was RE: I'm back!) Message-ID: <01HVRQLIYFTE8ZFC9X-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu> From: "Jennifer S. Broekman" > > Mat Timmerman wrote: > >From: "Jennifer S. Broekman" > >>Rosario Holsen-Baker wrote: > >>> Hey, here's a question for you. Joe had to have been made to see > >>>at least a few of the meetings. How come the Salamander didn't decide he > >>>was a juicy target and try to exploit the boy's powers or something? > >>Joe doesn't have any powers, other than being a very well trained > >>martial artist and marksman. Any magic he learns is going to be of > >>the trained-will type, not the talent type. > >> > >Nope, Joe _does_ have a psi ability (I almost called it a Gift - wrong > >series, huh :) ). Joe is a telepath (no, not a Mindspeaker :). Seeing > >as the only SERRA book I own is _Chrome Circle_ (libraries are a wonderful > >thing ), and it's at home, I can't look for quotes. > > I'd forgotten about that, but isn't that ability of the single-person > or small-group mind-to-mind variety, not the projecting to a mob > variety? The former wouldn't do the Salamander much good in trying to > control the cult... > Yeah, that was my impression of it too. I was just stating that Joe is a psi, and could use other "magic" than the "trained-will type". I think that I know why the salmander ignored Joe. It was said that the salamander wanted the kid (oops, can't remember his name) because he was a medium. The sal only needed a way to manifest physically. Once it did that, it wouldn't need a telepath to control minds -- it could do it itself. You know, as thought about this, I wondered, wouldn't Mark Valdez of the Di books be a tasty treat for the Salamander? You know, powerful medium and all that. > >By the way, why does everyone seem to be having trouble remembering > >the name of _Chrome Circle_ lately. > > I haven't any idea why _Chrome Circle_ keeps being referred to as > "Burning Chrome" or "Burning Circle", but it's driving me batty.:-) > > >The only one i remember at the > >moment is "Burning Circle" - whoever wrote that one (sorry, can't remember > >who) must _really_ want Di to tie in... :) > > But Di already does tie in.:-) Aside from the reference in _Chrome > Circle_ to the author he met, I have the feeling that the witch whose > fight with a sorceress introduced Tannim to the world of magic could > easily be Di or one of her friends. And I picked up a reference to > Guardians in _Born to Run_ today... > Well, I meant that they wanted it to tie in even more than it does. And if you think about it, the witch and sorceress thing comes straight out of _Jinx High_. Witch == Di, Sorceress == Fay. And didn't Tannim say in CC that it was this incident that made him start to pay real attention to Chinthliss? Also, don't keep us in suspense, what's the Guardian reference? :) Mat T. -------------------------------- | Mat Timmerman | | accmjt-+AT+-hofstra.edu | | mtimmerman1-+AT+-hofstra.edu | -------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 158 *********************************