MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 167 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Storm Warning (God question) by jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) 2) Re: Holderkin by WXAV85D-+AT+-prodigy.com (MR DAVID W BAHRKE) 3) Re: Huh? by wdjpej-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (William Jones ) 4) Re: aspects of the Star-Eyed by wdjpej-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (William Jones ) 5) Re: Storm Warning (God question) by Ned 6) Velgarth and country names by "Cecile S. Ueltschey" 7) Re: Bad News for Diana Tregarde fans by owl 8) Re: Misty's Music by dstorrs-+AT+-crossover.com (David K. Storrs) 9) Kal'enedral by h-wilfehrt-+AT+-nwu.edu (Helen M. Wilfehrt) 10) Re: Star-eyed aspects by h-wilfehrt-+AT+-nwu.edu (Helen M. Wilfehrt) 11) Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 162 by dstorrs-+AT+-crossover.com (David K. Storrs) 12) Re: Choosing Kero by h-wilfehrt-+AT+-nwu.edu (Helen M. Wilfehrt) 13) Re: Velgarth and country names by "Helen M. Wilfehrt" 14) Re: Huh? by Mat Timmerman 15) Re: Misty's Music by Rich Crawford 16) Re: Storm Warning (God question) by Mat Timmerman 17) Re: Velgarth and country names by dstorrs-+AT+-crossover.com (David K. Storrs) 18) Re: Misty's Music by gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) 19) Re: aspects of the Star-Eyed by gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) 20) Re: Velgarth and country names by "Cecile S. Ueltschey" 21) Re: Lifebonds by gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) 22) I'm confused! by Michelle 23) Re: Velgarth and country names by "Jennifer S. Broekman" 24) Re: aspects of the Star-Eyed by "Jennifer S. Broekman" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 08:40:13 +0000 (GMT) From: jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Storm Warning (God question) Message-ID: <9510050840.AA09098-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk> > But you're right that the Kal'enedral aren't exactly priests -- the > Moonpaths are only open to them at night, while the Shaman can find them > at any time. Hmm. Is that "only at night" or "usually done at night when nobody's watching"? After all, If I remember correctly, Kethry's duel with the adept was in the day, and Tarma didn't have any problem getting through, so even if the moonpaths are nocturnal only, that doesn't mean Kal'enedral are out of touch the rest of the time; they do different things to the shamen, yes, but that's function rather than depth of calling - sort of like the difference between monks and parish priests :-). -- _|_ / | Jerry Cullingford jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Work) \_|_ jc-+AT+-selune.demon.co.uk (Home) \__/ Hemel Hempstead, UK jerry-+AT+-shell.portal.com (alternate) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Oct 1995 04:19:30 EDT From: WXAV85D-+AT+-prodigy.com (MR DAVID W BAHRKE) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Holderkin Message-ID: <013.02401258.WXAV85D-+AT+-prodigy.com> I could be completely off base on this, but I thought that the comments Vanyel made about holderkin were made by his spirit when he was talking to Elspeth, Darkwind, and Firesong. The subject came up when they were talking about Talia and when 'Fandes almost "swatted" her when her powers got out of control. Like I said though, I could be completely off base on this though. Zhai'helleva, David WXAV85D-+AT+-PRODIGY.COM PROUD TO BE ME! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 03:04:29 -0700 From: wdjpej-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (William Jones ) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Huh? Message-ID: <199510051004.DAA04810-+AT+-ix.ix.netcom.com> You wrote: > >Where was it stated that the name of the world is Velgarth? I >thought that I read all the books, but that completely slipped by me. > > >Zhai'helleva, >David > > Check the prologue to AOTQ... It refers to the entire world as Velgarth... - Shadow-Lover ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 03:09:54 -0700 From: wdjpej-+AT+-ix.netcom.com (William Jones ) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: aspects of the Star-Eyed Message-ID: <199510051009.DAA13284-+AT+-ix4.ix.netcom.com> You wrote: > > >>on the subject of the star eyed doesnt she have 4 aspects maiden mother >>warrior and crone??? or am i getting mixed up? > >No, she does have four aspects - with each having their own primary >"priests". I forget the order of whom goes with whom. Warrior with >Kalenedral, Crone with Shaman ? I believe Tarma tells Kethry about this >either while in the Tayledras forest after Kethry found out about Tarma's >teachers or in the forest before getting even with Keth's brother, but I >don't have the books on me right now. > >Helen > > The Kal'endral are sworn to Kal'enel, the warrior... The shaman are sworn to all the goddess' aspects... There is a sect (for lack of a better word) of Kal'endral that are mentioned in both SW and W1 that are sworn to both Warrior and Crone, these where Navy instead of black... - Shadow-Lover A sociopath with no restraints can become anything... Amorality frees her to be universally perfect, a charming chamelion with a scorpion's tail... -Color of Night ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 07:58:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Ned To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Storm Warning (God question) Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Oct 1995, Helen M. Wilfehrt wrote: > > I also understood that the Emperor of the Eastern Empire was considered to > be the "God" of the Empire - but as such he was still human and not a Deity > like Vkandis or the Star-Eyed. As to Vkandis not being as likely to > interfere if there was another Deity involved - in the case of the Empire, > there isn't a Deity only a "God-Head", an Emperor, a mortal human. The > Empire posed a significant threat to Karse and to the worship of Vkandis if > it managed to assimilate Karse into the Empire - sufficient grounds I would > imagine for Vkandis to interfere. > Yes, but didn't the empire pretty much leave the current religion in place whenever they took over a new country? I'm pretty sure that there is a direct reference to this in SR and don't forget the tribemen in the one barracks (The Reindeer People?). Maybe some of those Dieties would have taken exception to Vkandis acting directly against portions of the Eastern Empire Zhai'helleva Ned Ned Adams aka S. Baldrick Sometimes it is better to light a sbaldric-+AT+-roanoke.infi.net flamethrower than to curse the darkness (540) 890-0212 (T. Pratchett) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 08:36:36 -0500 (CDT) From: "Cecile S. Ueltschey" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Velgarth and country names Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Oct 1995, Jerry Cullingford wrote: > > > > the name of this universe is velgarth????? boy am i behined > > > > Yes - Velgarth is the name of the world the Herald books are set in, > Valdemar is one of the countries. > > (Hmm... Can anyone think of a country name for the bit where the > Shin'a'in and Tayledras live? I remember area names, but not country > ones for them?) > IIRC, the countries (that we know of) on Velgarth are: Jkatha (where Mournedelth is - Keth's hometown) Rethwellan (Menmellith is a part of Rethwellan in BTS, but I think separate sometime in the past) Karse Hardorn Valdemar Iftel Ceejay (There's another country on one of the later maps that is south and east of Karse and Hardon, east of Jkatha, but I've gone blank) And of course, the Empire of the East. The Dhorisha Plains are (again, IIRC) in the eastern portion of Jkatha, and the Vales are around the Jkatha/Rethwellan border but I think that they function as sort of "no man's lands" between the countries. Given that the Shin'a'in are VERY protective of their herds and land (gee, is that an understatement or what?) and the Pelagir Forest is a pretty weird place and well guarded by the Tayledras (at least the Uncleansed lands), this makes sense - don't you think? Hope this helps! Cecile ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 10:17:53 EST From: owl To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Bad News for Diana Tregarde fans Message-ID: <3232B76C04-+AT+-main.rmwc.edu> The books mentioned are the Vampire Chronicles by PN Elrod. Hmm, I think that is. She also has a trilogy called Red Death, Death and the Maiden, and Death Masque, dealing with an American Revolutionary war vampire. The chronicles are set in the thirties dealing with a reporter vampire--kind of. Good reading though, at least in my opinion. Owl "I never let my schooling interfere with my education" Mark Twain ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 09:16:42 -0400 From: dstorrs-+AT+-crossover.com (David K. Storrs) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Misty's Music Message-ID: <199510051316.JAA23708-+AT+-prague.crossover.com> > MR DAVID W BAHRKE writes: >Is there anyway that I can get a catalog for Misty's music? I would >really like to hear some of her music but I have no idea of how to >get any of it. Help me please! > >Zhai'helleva, >David You can order her music (and lots of other stuff too), from the Random Factors web site, at: http://sundry.hsc.usc.edu/random-factors/lackey.html The following is a long clip from the Random Factors web site (excuse me for not putting > on each line, but I'm lazy): ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To order, please list your selections, and prices and send with payment, including shipping and handling (check,money order, American Express, Discover, Visa, Mastercard, Diners Club, Carte Blanche, or JCB credit card information) and send to: RANDOM FACTORS 3754 W. 170th Street Torrance, CA 90504-1204 Or, if you prefer, call us at (310) 329-6772, after 4:30 P.M. Pacific time. You may fax your order or any inquiry to our 24-hour Fax line (310)-538-9208. Please make checks payable to RANDOM FACTORS or send your name and address, Phone number, with your credit card name, number and expiration date, and signature with your order, and add shipping (CA residents add sales tax). We also accept E-Mail orders ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ There is a bunch of other stuff on the site as well -- take a look! (Oh, I _strongly_ recommend the "Magic, Moondust, and Melancholy" album) Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Oct 1995 21:32:09 -0500 From: h-wilfehrt-+AT+-nwu.edu (Helen M. Wilfehrt) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-herald.co.uk Subject: Kal'enedral Message-ID: <199510051429.AA020203348-+AT+-casbah.acns.nwu.edu> I just re-read Oathbreakers last night, and I came across some relevant quotations regarding recent discussions. As to the role of Kal'enedral- After Leslac was jailed in Hawksnest for blasphemy and religious mockery- Kal'enedral had no sexual desire, and little sexual identity. There was a perfectly logical reason for this. Kal'enedral served first the goddess of the South Wind, the Warrior, who wasas sexless asthe blade She bore - and they served next the Clansas a whole - and lastly they served their individual Clans. Being sexless allowed them to keep a certain cool perspective that kept them free of feuding and allowed them to act as interClan arbitrators and mediators. As to the reincarnation of Heralds as Companions, but from the Star-Eyed's perspective as Tarma had called upon her to help her decide whether to trust those planning Stefansen's gaining the throne- * And you, My gentle Child - * She continued, caressing the white horse's shining neck [Roald's Companion] *-are leshya'e Kal'enedral of another sort, hmmm? Like My Hands, and unlike....." and as the leshya'e Kal'enedral are incarnations of former Kal'enedral like the Firecats are reincarnations of former Vkandis Prophets, it does provide earlier "proof" that the Companions are reincarnated Heralds. I never happened to take this comment literally before, but reading it again last night, it just struck me on how it could be taken literally, as opposed to figuratively as I had previously considered it. As to Kal'enedral as priest- This takes place after Kethry was lethally struck down after the Duel Arcane with Char's Mage and Tarma calls upon the Warrior- "Thrusting a blood-drenched fist at the sky, she summoned all the power that was hers as Kal'enedral, as priestess, as Swordsworn warrior- power she had never taken, never used. She flung back her head, and screamed a name into the uncaring, gray sky, a name that tore her throat even as her heart was torn......" So Tarma just isn't a good example of Kal'enedral as priestess since she never truly identifies herself with that aspect of her role as Swordsworn except in extreme moments. Good reading- Helen h-wilfehrt-+AT+-nwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Oct 1995 21:32:12 -0500 From: h-wilfehrt-+AT+-nwu.edu (Helen M. Wilfehrt) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Star-eyed aspects Message-ID: <199510051429.AA020293351-+AT+-casbah.acns.nwu.edu> > >> s003yms-+AT+-desire.wright.edu writes: >> >>on the subject of the star eyed doesnt she have 4 aspects maiden mother >>warrior and crone??? or am i getting mixed up? > > Yes, there are. There is also a song called "Wind's 4 Quarters", >from Firebird Arts and Music; I think Misty wrote it/sang it, but I'm not >certain. >I'm blanking on some of the words or I would quote a few stanzas, but it is >a VERY good song...I strongly recommend it. > > Dave In the back of Oathbreakers called Shin'a'in Song of the Seasons describing both the four-aspected male and female deities of the Shin'a'in . Since I don't have time to transcribe the song in full, here is a summary - East Wind (Spring) Male-Rover Female-Maiden South Wind (Summer) Male-Guardian Female-Warrior West Wind (Fall) Male-Hunter Female-Mother North Wind (Winter) Male- Guide Female-Crone Helen h-wilfehrt-+AT+-nwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 09:18:57 -0400 From: dstorrs-+AT+-crossover.com (David K. Storrs) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: MERCEDES-LACKEY digest 162 Message-ID: <199510051318.JAA23712-+AT+-prague.crossover.com> >> >> the name of this universe is velgarth????? boy am i behined >> > >Yes - Velgarth is the name of the world the Herald books are set in, >Valdemar is one of the countries. > >(Hmm... Can anyone think of a country name for the bit where the >Shin'a'in and Tayledras live? I remember area names, but not country >ones for them?) > > >-- > _|_ > / | Jerry Cullingford jc-+AT+-crosfield.co.uk (Work) > \_|_ jc-+AT+-selune.demon.co.uk (Home) >\__/ Hemel Hempstead, UK jerry-+AT+-shell.portal.com (alternate) > > I don't believe that the Dhorisa Plains and the Pelagirs belonged to anything so organized as a country -- there was no real government, just a lot of unused land (mostly unsafe for humans), and the occasional farmer or small farm town. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Oct 1995 21:32:15 -0500 From: h-wilfehrt-+AT+-nwu.edu (Helen M. Wilfehrt) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Choosing Kero Message-ID: <199510051429.AA020373354-+AT+-casbah.acns.nwu.edu> >On Wed, 4 Oct 1995, Cecile S. Ueltschey wrote: > >[LOTS and LOTS snipped re: choosing Kero] >> > >> Beautifully put, Helen. That is exactly what I was getting at, but >> couldn't put into words. It was her experiences in being Captain that >> tipped the balance as it were. I also think the timing in the war with >> Hardorn was critical, from the Valdemaran perspective. By the time Talia >> and Dirk showed up in Rethwellan, they were ready to try ANYTHING, >> including mercenaries - which means they were pretty desperate, given the >> bad feelings left from the Tedrel Wars. Kero's Choosing cemented that >> aspect of the alliance (i.e. - if the Captain is a Herald, then the >> company can't be so bad, right?) >> > Just to make sure I understand Cecile and Helen...You both think >that had Kero gone to Valdemar with Eldan (ten years prior), Kero would >not have been chosen, yes? OK. I'll buy that! > > So what do y'all think that Ratha was hemming and hawing about? >I'm assuming that Ratha was saying "if she got to Valdemar then--- " at >THAT particular point in time (and not in the distant future, as it >happened)... > >Vivian Choh bi189-+AT+-torfree.net v.choh-+AT+-utoronto.ca > I think Ratha was (1) approving of Kero's personal integrity/ethics but was disturbed by how she didn't understand the drive that the Heralds felt towards protecting Valdemar - the protection of people who could not protect themselves and (2) thinking that if she saw Valdemar that she might begin to understand what drove Heralds and therefore become eligible to be Chosen herself-particularly with her having a strong Mind-speaking gift since she'd be a good addition to the Heralds. Plus being in Valdemar where she wouldn't be persecuted for her Mind-speaking ability, she might feel more comfortable using it. But then if she had gone and didn't return to become Skybolt's Captain, I think Valdemar could have suffered later from not having the experience of Capt. Kero to help provide protection. Helen h-wilfehrt-+AT+-nwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Oct 1995 21:37:19 -0500 From: "Helen M. Wilfehrt" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Velgarth and country names Message-ID: <199510051434.AA030063659-+AT+-casbah.acns.nwu.edu> > > >On Wed, 4 Oct 1995, Jerry Cullingford wrote: > >> > >> > the name of this universe is velgarth????? boy am i behined >> > >> >> Yes - Velgarth is the name of the world the Herald books are set in, >> Valdemar is one of the countries. >> >> (Hmm... Can anyone think of a country name for the bit where the >> Shin'a'in and Tayledras live? I remember area names, but not country >> ones for them?) >> >IIRC, the countries (that we know of) on Velgarth are: > >Jkatha (where Mournedelth is - Keth's hometown) >Rethwellan (Menmellith is a part of Rethwellan in BTS, but I think >separate sometime in the past) >Karse >Hardorn >Valdemar >Iftel >Ceejay >(There's another country on one of the later maps that is south and east >of Karse and Hardon, east of Jkatha, but I've gone blank) > >And of course, the Empire of the East. > >The Dhorisha Plains are (again, IIRC) in the eastern portion of Jkatha, >and the Vales are around the Jkatha/Rethwellan border but I think that >they function as sort of "no man's lands" between the countries. Given >that the Shin'a'in are VERY protective of their herds and land (gee, is >that an understatement or what?) and the Pelagir Forest is a pretty weird >place and well guarded by the Tayledras (at least the Uncleansed >lands), this makes sense - don't you think? > >Hope this helps! > >Cecile > > That last country is Velvar. Helen h-wilfehrt-+AT+-nwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Oct 1995 10:54:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat Timmerman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Huh? Message-ID: <01HW2U8PGMFM8ZGHCV-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu> From: William Jones > > You wrote: > > > >Where was it stated that the name of the world is Velgarth? I > >thought that I read all the books, but that completely slipped by me. > > > > > >Zhai'helleva, > >David > > > > > > Check the prologue to AOTQ... It refers to the entire world as > Velgarth... > > - Shadow-Lover I think that that was in either Arrow's Flight or Fall -- has a synopsis of Talia & the Brat, as well as Valdemaren history. Mat T. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Mat Timmerman "They want to stop the ones who want | | accmjt-+AT+-hofstra.edu prosthetic foreheads on their heads. But | | mtimmerman1-+AT+-hofstra.edu everybody wants prosthetic foreheads on | | their real heads." -- TMBG | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 07:56:11 -0700 From: Rich Crawford To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Misty's Music Message-ID: <199510051456.HAA05759-+AT+-franc.ucdavis.edu> At 06:46 AM 10/5/95 +0100, you wrote: >Is there anyway that I can get a catalog for Misty's music? I would >really like to hear some of her music but I have no idea of how to >get any of it. Help me please! > >Zhai'helleva, >David > If you have access to the World Wide Web, try the Firebird Music Homepage at . You'll find all sorts of cool stuff. The page is fairly new, and the graphics are a bit unsophisticated, but it's really pretty cool. You should be able to find a catalog there. If not, there's a phone number that you can call to get a catalog. (I was able to order "Harpers, Heralds, and Havoc" which I'd been looking for for a long time). Let me know if this helps. Or just write. It gets lonely over here. ............................................................................ ................................ "I belong / In the service of the Queen..." -Counting Crows ............................................................................ ................................ Zhai'helleva Rich ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Oct 1995 11:02:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Mat Timmerman To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Storm Warning (God question) Message-ID: <01HW2UJ349P48ZGHCV-+AT+-vaxc.hofstra.edu> From: "Jennifer S. Broekman" > Catherine Osborne wrote: > >I was under the impression that the Swordsworn in midnight blue (the ones > >who work at the temple in Kata'shin'a'in, Querna, etc.) were the > >particularly "priestly" arm of the Kal'endral, but all Swordsworn were > >priest(esse)s by virtue of their direct and strong spirit-bond with the > >Star-Eyed... > > The Shin'a'in in midnight blue were sworn to both the Warrior and the > Crone, making them *both* Kal'enedral and Shaman, so their duties > don't say much about the duties of the Kal'enedral... > > Daria wrote: > > But may I point out that there *were* > >no Kal'enedral when the Shamans went into trance? > > Where did you get this information? There are none mentioned as such, > but why would that mean that there were none, period? > I think that it was mentioned in Winds of Fate. It was in Kata'shin'a'in, when the old shaman was showing the new one the memory tapestry (or whatever it was called). After the vision of the glassy Plains ends, the old shaman (jeez, am I having trouble with names today) mentions that the shaman in the vision was the one who invented the tapestries and created the first Kal'enedral. Mat T. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Mat Timmerman "They want to stop the ones who want | | accmjt-+AT+-hofstra.edu prosthetic foreheads on their heads. But | | mtimmerman1-+AT+-hofstra.edu everybody wants prosthetic foreheads on | | their real heads." -- TMBG | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 10:41:04 -0400 From: dstorrs-+AT+-crossover.com (David K. Storrs) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Velgarth and country names Message-ID: <199510051441.KAA23850-+AT+-prague.crossover.com> >> >> >>On Wed, 4 Oct 1995, Jerry Cullingford wrote: >>IIRC, the countries (that we know of) on Velgarth are: >> [and was responded to]: >>Jkatha (where Mournedelth is - Keth's hometown) >>Rethwellan (Menmellith is a part of Rethwellan in BTS, but I think >>separate sometime in the past) >>Karse >>Hardorn >>Valdemar >>Iftel >>Ceejay [Also Velvar, thanks go to Helen] >> >>And of course, the Empire of the East. [snip! whack! massive numbers of bytes hacked into teeny tiny nibbles and shot into /dev/null! (ok, I'm a computer geek...sue me. :> ] The Velgareth book that I know of include: Vows and Honor (read) By the Sword (read) Last Herald Mage (read) Arrows of... series (read) Winds of... series (read) Black Gryphon (read) more gryphon books (desperately desiring info) Storm ... series (not read, curious) Ermmm...I think that's it. In all of these books, do we ever actually see anything of Iftel or the Eastern Empire? I'm curious about "that deity" in Iftel, and the hints of the Eastern Empire from the Arrows books have me ITCHING. Any word? Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 09:10:09 -0800 From: gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Misty's Music Message-ID: <9510051600.AA10481-+AT+-baker> >Is there anyway that I can get a catalog for Misty's music? I would >really like to hear some of her music but I have no idea of how to >get any of it. Help me please! > >Zhai'helleva, >David You can get Misty's music from Firebird Arts and Music P.o. Box 14785 Portland Or 97214 They also have an on line catolog, don't remember the address. I'd sugest her albums for the vanyel series and also for By the Sword. Oh, and the Tempest album Serrated Edge is good too. gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 09:17:05 -0800 From: gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: aspects of the Star-Eyed Message-ID: <9510051607.AA10548-+AT+-baker> >>on the subject of the star eyed doesnt she have 4 aspects maiden mother >>warrior and crone??? or am i getting mixed up? > >No, she does have four aspects - with each having their own primary >"priests". I forget the order of whom goes with whom. Warrior with >Kalenedral, Crone with Shaman ? I believe Tarma tells Kethry about this >either while in the Tayledras forest after Kethry found out about Tarma's >teachers or in the forest before getting even with Keth's brother, but I >don't have the books on me right now. > >Helen It's mentioned on the tape Oathbound too, where they also give the 4 aspects of their god. he doesn't seem to get mentioned much. Let's see if I can remember... Rover, Hunter....?....Guide? I'm missing one. anyone else know it? I'll try to go find it and report back later. Colette gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 11:17:08 -0500 (CDT) From: "Cecile S. Ueltschey" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Velgarth and country names Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Oct 1995, Helen M. Wilfehrt wrote: > > > > > >IIRC, the countries (that we know of) on Velgarth are: > > > >(There's another country on one of the later maps that is south and east > >of Karse and Hardon, east of Jkatha, but I've gone blank) > > > That last country is Velvar. Thanks, Helen! Cecile ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 09:19:26 -0800 From: gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com (Gjuka) To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Lifebonds Message-ID: <9510051609.AA10574-+AT+-baker> >On Mon, 2 Oct 1995 16:13:58 +0100 Ina Faye-Lund >wrote: > >>What about this: They wouldn't be able to mindspeak over that >>distance, usually. But remember, mostly, Kero was asleep when she >>"spoke" with Eldan. Trance enhances the Gifts, doesn't it? So, if >>Eldan entered a trance while Kero was asleep, he might be able to >>reach her. I don't think they would have been able to communicate >>with ordinary Mindspeak, otherwise. > >But that would have had to be an involuntary trance, because when they >met again and Kero talked about something that she had learned in one of >the dreams, Eldan, too, was surprised to discover that the dreams had been >real. > >Another possible solution is that the dreaming (too much Sandman =)) is a >place where the real life limits can be broken down and faraway places >and persons can be reached much more easily than in the waking world. We >have examples of the strange things that can happen in dreams in several >books: Ylsa coming to Talia after her death, Van talking to Stef, etc. This >would prove that strange things are possible in dreams... ;) > >Tarja (ie the dreamtime? anyone else have any ideas about this theory?) Colette gjuka-+AT+-cnw.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 09:29:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Michelle To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: I'm confused! Message-ID: Okay, I'm confused, maybe someone can help me. I was rereading the Diana Tregarde books the other night. In Children of the Night, it appears that the story is set in the early seventies. She mentions Watergate and IIRC that happened in 73 or so. Please excuse my knowledge or lack thereof of American history and/or politics. Anyways, assuming this is true, I am now massivly confused. I then assume that the book Jinx High takes place sometimes after that. IO also assume, that it isn't THAT many years later. so that would put it sometime in the seventies, right? Okay, now here's what I'm confused about - How the heck did Lenny get AIDS?! It wasn't even around at that time, and even if it was, it definatly wasn't diagnosed. So, now I'm confused (which I have mentioned before). I would greatly appreciate it if someone could explain this to me, because no one on this end can. Thanks in advance. Chelle Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power, and magic in it. -Goethe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 14:05:54 -0400 From: "Jennifer S. Broekman" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: Velgarth and country names Message-ID: <199510051805.OAA13409-+AT+-sparky.phast.umass.edu> Cecile S. Ueltschey wrote: >On Wed, 4 Oct 1995, Jerry Cullingford wrote: >> (Hmm... Can anyone think of a country name for the bit where the >> Shin'a'in and Tayledras live? I remember area names, but not country >> ones for them?) >IIRC, the countries (that we know of) on Velgarth are: >Jkatha (where Mournedelth is - Keth's hometown) >Rethwellan (Menmellith is a part of Rethwellan in BTS, but I think >separate sometime in the past) Actually, it was part of Rethwellan in the past, but it was granted its autonomy when Daren was born, supposedly in thanksgiving for the birth of a third son, but more likely to get the drain of dealing with its people and keeping a unit of the army there permanently off the royal coffers. (BTS) >Karse >Hardorn >Valdemar >Iftel >Ceejay >(There's another country on one of the later maps that is south and east >of Karse and Hardon, east of Jkatha, but I've gone blank) Suvan, I think. >And of course, the Empire of the East. >The Dhorisha Plains are (again, IIRC) in the eastern portion of Jkatha, I'm not sure that the Plains are within Jkatha at all, any more than the Great Plains of North America were part of the US/Canada in the 1700s. The Shin'a'in have the advantage of being better organized than the Native Americans were and the outsiders not having guns, but they're still thought of as barbarians, still not considered to be a 'real country', etc. Fortunately for everyone, Jkatha doesn't seem t be inclined towards civvilizing the barbarians.:-) >and the Vales are around the Jkatha/Rethwellan border but I think that >they function as sort of "no man's lands" between the countries. There've been vales all the way up near the northern border of Valdemar, at times. They move throughout the Pelagirs (Forest and Hills) wherever they think they'e needed, more or less. >Given >that the Shin'a'in are VERY protective of their herds and land (gee, is >that an understatement or what?) and the Pelagir Forest is a pretty weird >place and well guarded by the Tayledras (at least the Uncleansed >lands), this makes sense - don't you think? While both the Shin'a'in and the Tayledras are protective of their land and 'people', outsiders tend to view them as less than 'real leadership'. In Vanyel's time, his father comes right out and says this and in Talia's time, the land west of what Valdemar claims is considered simply wild, even though we know that there are mage-held enclaves other than the Tayledras vales as well as the Tayledras vales. -jenneke I *am* family. How could I not have family values? Only Boys Accepting Feminism Get Kissed Meaningfully -- Geoff Marcy The only unnatural sexual act is that which you cannot perform. -Alfred Kinsey broekman-+AT+-sparky.phast.umass.edu | http://www-astro.phast.umass.edu/gs/jenn.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 13:56:54 -0400 From: "Jennifer S. Broekman" To: mercedes-lackey-+AT+-vanyel.herald.co.uk Subject: Re: aspects of the Star-Eyed Message-ID: <199510051756.NAA13375-+AT+-sparky.phast.umass.edu> William Jones wrote: >Helen wrote: >>No, she does have four aspects - with each having their own primary >>"priests". I forget the order of whom goes with whom. Warrior with >>Kalenedral, Crone with Shaman ? I believe Tarma tells Kethry about >>this either while in the Tayledras forest after Kethry found out about >>Tarma's teachers or in the forest before getting even with Keth's >>brother, but I don't have the books on me right now. And in one of the stories, someone not of the Clans is told that only the Warrior and the Crone bind individuals to them, the Kal'endral being those bound to the Warrior and the Shaman being bound to the Crone. >The Kal'endral are sworn to Kal'enel, the warrior... The shaman are >sworn to all the goddess' aspects... There is a sect (for lack of a >better word) of Kal'endral that are mentioned in both SW and W1 that >are sworn to both Warrior and Crone, these where Navy instead of >black... The Shaman are *not* bound to all four, just to the Crone. The Maiden and the Mother don't normally take particular devotees. -jenneke I *am* family. How could I not have family values? Only Boys Accepting Feminism Get Kissed Meaningfully -- Geoff Marcy The only unnatural sexual act is that which you cannot perform. -Alfred Kinsey broekman-+AT+-sparky.phast.umass.edu | http://www-astro.phast.umass.edu/gs/jenn.html ------------------------------ End of MERCEDES-LACKEY Digest 167 *********************************